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== Holocaust in Poland ==
'''Initiated by ''' ] (]) '''at''' 22:28, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

=== Involved parties ===
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*{{userlinks|Volunteer Marek}}

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=== Statement by Icewhiz ===
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As other countries, a small minority advocates Holocaust denial/distortion in Poland. This version is different from other forms of denial/distortion in that it: does not deny German actions, denies/distorts the Polish role before/after/during the Holocaust, treats German atrocities towards Poles as equivalent to the Jewish/Roma genocide, overstates rescues, claims Jewish oppression of Poles, ], and double genocide (Soviets equal/worse than Nazis).

I first got involved in December 2017 in . I had since come to learn that Misplaced Pages circa-2017 served as a Holocaust denial/distortion platform in multiple less-traveled articles (] or ] were OK, specific low-level locations/events not). Dubious sources, notably Mark Paul ("ignoble ungrateful Jew" myth<ref></ref>, pseudo-name, KPK-Toronto, ]) , ) were used in hundreds of articles. A google-search on many Holocaust sub-topics in Poland returned the SEOed Paul + highly distorted Misplaced Pages entry.

Examples of distortion/denial that lasted for years on Misplaced Pages:
# - Describing a Polish pogrom against Jews,<ref name="Bender">{{Cite journal|last=Bender|first=Sara|date=2013|title=Not Only in Jedwabne: Accounts of the Annihilation of the Jewish Shtetlach in North-eastern Poland in the Summer of 1941|journal=Holocaust Studies|volume=19|issue=1|pages=1–38|doi=10.1080/17504902.2013.11087369}}</ref><ref name=jew_enc>{{Cite book|url=https://books.google.com/?id=tumlOiOZvSUC&pg=PA1240&dq=stawiski+1941#v=onepage&q=stawiski%201941&f=false|title=The Encyclopedia of Jewish Life Before and During the Holocaust: Seredina-Buda-Z|last=Spector|first=Shmuel|last2=Wigoder|first2=Geoffrey|last3=Wigoder|first3=Research Associate Institute of Contemporary Jewry Geoffrey|date=2001|publisher=NYU Press|isbn=9780814793787|language=en|page=1230}}</ref> as Jewish oppression of Poles followed by Germans killing Jews - see where VM loudly asserted this is non-actionable. Also see:
# + - Local poles burn 600-2000 Jews alive in barn,<ref name="Bender"/><ref name="USHMMNoQuote">The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum ], ], ], and Mel Hecker, Volume II, part A, pages 943-944.</ref> described as Jewish oppression of Poles followed by Germans killing Jews.
# - extermination camp for Jews,<ref></ref> described as {{tq|"intended to kill '''Jews and Poles''' from all nearby towns and villages"}} (Polish citation in article: "Jews".<ref name="majdanek.com-Chełmno">{{cite web | url=http://www.majdanek.com.pl/obozy/chelmno.html | title=SS Sonderkommando | publisher=Obozy zagłady | work=Obóz zagłady w Chełmnie n/Nerem | accessdate=2013-05-10}}</ref>)
# - {{tq|"Jewish welcoming banner"}} image captions (, ).
# - describes the "Polish operation" (one of multiple ]) as {{tq|"the genocide of Poles in the Soviet Union"}}, misstating named historians<ref name="paulbogdanor">Michael Ellman, Amsterdam School of Economics. ] file</ref> and using a dubious source. Contrast academic sources:<ref></ref><ref name="Morris">Morris, James. "The Polish terror: spy mania and ethnic cleansing in the great terror." Europe-Asia Studies 56.5 (2004): 751-766.</ref><ref>Petrov, Nikita, and Arsenii Roginskii. "The “Polish Operation” of the NKVD, 1937–8." Stalin’s Terror. Palgrave Macmillan, London, 2003. 153-172.</ref>.

Mostly added by ] and/or this has stayed on Misplaced Pages for years. Editors previously in ] are active in the topic area. Volunteer Marek (VM), who adds little new content (see - one bareurl - a soldier's account), has been reverting and stonewalling corrections.

VM's conduct: (see also )
# Despite requests to stop, VM has hounded me - (40 articles in two week span).
# VM has restored/inserted material on Jews/communists not supported by citations: {{tq|"Soviet-armed Jewish militiamen helped ] agents send Polish families into exile"}} (not in source) or against ](lead) {{tq|"was a Polish ] of Jewish background trained...}}
# VM has challenged as failing V - (which does not support the text). See (deemed too complex for AE) on content .
# ]/]:
# considers sourced on-topic descriptions of antisemitism in Poland as: {{tq|"It's a COATRACK for the whole disgusting and racist "Poles are anti-semities" POV into this article."}}.
# ] Loosmark, fails verification:
# ]/] - op-eds in right-wing media/blog by far-right activist/historian:<ref Name="Newsweek201706">, Newsweek, 6 July 2017, quote: "In June 2014, he appeared at a rally of the far-right Ruch Narodowy party, where he proclaimed “We want a Catholic Poland, not a Bolshevik one, not multicultural or gay!”"</ref><ref name="SPLC201707">, SPLC, 17 July 2017, quote:"Chodakiewicz’s far-right beliefs have not only centered on dabbling in anti-Semitism. In January of 2017, he penned a piece lamenting what he called the “ongoing genocide against Whites” in South Africa. The term “white genocide” is a common white nationalist trope, with many pointing to South Africa and falsely claiming that white people are systematically massacred by people of color."</ref><ref name="SPLC200911">, SPLC, 29 November 2009, quote:"Chodakiewicz, who describes himself as "a Christian conservative of Polish ancestry," has written favorably about Francisco Franco, the late anti-Communist dictator known for his brutal suppression of the Spanish left. He is an admirer of the late shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, an autocratic leader who criticized American Jews for "controlling" U.S. media and finance. He sees gay rights as a threat to society, has linked President Barack Obama to communists and domestic terrorists, and is a voluble critic of what he sees as Western "political correctness.""</ref><ref>{{Cite journal |last=Michlic |first=Joanna |date=2007 |title=The Soviet Occupation of Poland, 1939-41, and the Stereotype of the Anti-Polish and Pro-Soviet Jew |journal=Jewish Social Studies |volume=13 |issue=3 |pages=135–176|jstor=4467778 }} quote: "Chodakiewicz's works represent the most extreme end of the spectrum of the contemporary mainstream ethnonationalist school of history writing.64 The following features characterize all his writings.65 His vision of modern Polish history is rooted in the right-wing ethnonationalistic ideology that originated in the pre-1939 National Democracy movement and its extreme formations. His interpretation of Polish-Jewish relations in World War II and in the early postwar period, 1944-47, is based on the concept of a zero-sum conflict between ethnic Poles and Jews. Chodakiewicz casts the two communities as separate nations engaged in the struggle for survival without noting that they were part of one society in which ethnic Poles represented the dominant majority group and PolishJews were one of the ethnic/national minorities. Even when he acknowledges that Polish Jews were a minority, as he does in Massacre in Jedwabne, he regards them primarily as the carrier of a culture intrinsically incompatible with the culture of ethnic, Christian Poles."</ref>
# ]: .

Scope: Holocaust in Poland (pre/during/after - 1936-1951), geopolitics/atrocities (1936-51), Jewish/Polish relations, communist Jews in Poland.
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=== Statement by Poeticbent ===

=== Statement by Loosmark ===
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