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:{{ping|Zanhe}} the hook was inaccurate, and didn't reflect the article, as it said he was "knighted". I understand the point that the Tan Sri is equivalent to a knighthood, but that doesn't mean it's the same as one, or that it's correct to use the word knighted. I think the current wording works OK, but if you prefer to pull the hook to discuss it further we can do that. It can't go on the main page with terminology that isn't used in the article or the source though. Thanks  — ] (]) 09:51, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


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::The hook was accurate and did reflect the article (which mentions Tan Sri is a Malaysian knighthood), and it's been thoroughly discussed in the nomination process with multiple sources provided. The awarding of "Tan Sri" is frequently referred to as "knighting" in media, government, and academia. See and , in addition to the sources already presented in the article and nomination page. What's concerning to me is that you saw it fit to override consensus among multiple editors and use your admin privilege to change the hook in queue without discussion, and without bothering to notify anyone involved. -] (]) 20:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


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:Hi {{u|Yoninah}}, the only thing is we usually like to have the whole of tomorrow's main page loaded up during the day so that those looking out for errors have time to spot them and for them to be acted on before going live. During times when we're doing two sets a day, that may mean having three sets in the queue for some of the morning. Obviously if work is ongoing that would have to wait, but in this case Prep 4 for several hours by the time I promoted it to the queue... Maybe we can discuss at the project what's optimal around this, obviously I appreciate you guys put in a lot of hard work into this and that there may need to be chopping and changing of preps.  — ] (]) 15:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::I can help out more, but I really wish that DYK could somehow get more promoters. ] (]) 18:20, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
::::Thank you, {{u|SL93}}. We were doing okay when it was only one prep set a day. Looks like we might go back to that soon. ] (]) 20:46, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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::::::I would say that the shortage is for promoting approved nominations rather than reviewing the backlog. Right now, there are mainly only two editors who move the approved nominations to the prep areas, but I did just help fill two sets. ] (]) 03:23, 5 September 2019 (UTC)


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== Move conflict ==

Hey there, I think we both tried to do the same round-robin page move at the same time. See ]. Should I fix it, or will you? ] </span>]] 17:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

:tldr; the article now redirects to what was supposed to be the new title. The new title is a redirect to itself. So the article has been vaporized and we have two nonsensical redirects. Sorry for this mess. ] </span>]] 17:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|Toadspike}} ooh good grief, that's a silly mix-up, apologies for my part in that - we crashed right into each other! I think it's because I was busy checking the target history while you were moving the page, then I ended up moving the redirect right over the top of the article. HOpefully all sorted now anyway. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 18:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you so much for cleaning up the mess! I knew my first round-robin move was gonna go wrong somehow... ] </span>]] 18:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Toadspike}} He he, not to worry. I didn't realise that was your first one! I'm sure they'll go smoothly in the future, you did the right process anyway. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 18:11, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

== Kuru ==

Why are you moving pages back that I had moved as per ]? The lists of international trips by presidents I moved were all in line with naming convention. — ] (] • ]) 03:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Hemant Dabral}} what naming convention is that? The moves you had made did not look uncontroversial to me - particularly changing the commonly used term "state visit" to be "international trip" doesn't seem in line with our usual naming conventions. Please start a ] discussion if you wish to proceed with those moves. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 10:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::There are more articles titled "international trips", it has more search probability and to keep all lists in consistency this title should be used. — ] (] • ]) 11:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi {{ping|Hemant Dabral}} clearly we need to iron out the nomenclature here, but that should be done through an RM if you wish to pursue it. If some articles have a bad title the solution isn't to move even more of them to have a bad title. "International trips" doesn't sound like encyclopedic tone, and also would potentially include holidays and suchlike which I don't think is the intention. "International visits" or "state visits" would be preferable. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 12:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::::It's not some articles that have the title "international trips", all of them are tilted that way except the one related to Nicola Sturgeon. And six others titled "state visit". There are about 100 articles titled "international presidential trips" and about 60 articles titled "international prime ministerial trips". Are we going to move all these back to "visits" or is it more practical to move these seven articles to "trips"? That's the reason I made the move, otherwise I wouldn't have done that. — ] (] • ]) 15:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Hemant Dabral}} I understand what you're saying, but you'd still need to explain to me why the word "trip" is the best choice here. I'm not here to implement the most "practical" solution, I'm here to build an encyclopedia which is the best it can be for our readers, and that means using the correct names for things according to our article titling policy. That may also mean moving other titles to be better as well. Consistency is a good aim to have if the thing you're making consistent is a good thing, but otherwise it isn't. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 15:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

== Recent addition to Unused ==

Hey, {{U|Amakuru}}. Do you think ] would be a good fit for ]? Seems like it covers every structure and has several mentions of the bilayer (ofc), liposomes, and of micelles. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 16:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:Hi {{ping|Cowboygilbert}}... I'm actually slightly puzzled about this, because I literally started writing a POTD entry using that very article shortly before I filed the pic as unused, but then backed out because I thought the article ] was only covering one of the three things in the pic (since the bottom part of the diagram is explicitly labelled as "bilayer sheet". But you're absolutely right - it does cover the micelles and liposomes too, not sure how I missed that, and it's a GA too so a perfect choice for a POTD blurb. Feel free to revive it now if you like, otherwise I will do so in the next few days. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 16:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::@], All good, {{smiley|awesome}}. I'll probably construct something but I have been focusing mainly on media for my last couple schedules. Thank you! <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 16:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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thank you! - greetings from a trip --] (]) 16:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
:Thank you {{u|Gerda Arendt}}, I was also away over the weekend, nowhere very exciting though, just ] and walks in the surrounding countryside ] &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 17:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
:: Thanks for sharing! - I uploaded pics of a trip that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang ] at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --] (]) 20:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Gerda Arendt}} Oo I think I sang that song at one point in my youth. Very sorry to hear about the loss of your friend, may they rest in peace. I took part in a performance of Fauré's Requiem yesterday with my orchestra, alongside a local choir. Very lovely and moving music I sang tenor in it many years ago. Sadly my uncle is nearing the end of his life and we may sing some of that Requiem at his funeral. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 22:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thank you. I sang alto in the Fauré years ago. Went out with my friend now widow and others, to the ] and food - a good time. --] (]) 22:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

== Białystok Municipal Stadium closure of RM ==

Hi! For a possible move review, I want to ask about the closing of the RM on "]" (I have no experience with move reviews yet, so I started to write the same thing in the new RM on that page).

I disagree with your claim that there is a consensus that is a commonly used name in English. Apart from the proposer, no one has claimed this – one supporter just said that is it more recognisable thant the current name, and one supporter argumented that English name is a standard for stadiums (which I refuted). No one has presented evidence for the statement that the suggested name is the most common or most understandable name. I suggested other names for the page that meet the supporter's request for the move, yet the page was moved to the name suggested by the original proposer. I think closing the discussion was premature and reasoning inaccurate.

I don't know if a possible move review is necessary (the new RM could serve its purpose), but one of the discussants is asking for a speedy close and asks me to deal with it through move review. ] (]) 09:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
:Hello {{ping|FromCzech}} and thanks for your query. Procedurally, talking to me first and then seeking a move review is the right approach. It's rarely appropriate to start a brand new RM immediately after the previous one closed with consensus, unless the first close was something like ] and editors want to explore in more depth between two possible names that weren't the original status quo. Otherwise, the correct course is to review or reopen the original discussion.
:In this case the consensus appeared clear and I had closed it that way, there isn't really scope for a brand new RM, so approaching me rather than starting a new RM was the way forward. Since you've now done that, I am prepared to relist the discussion for a further week, since it does seem like there's more to dicuss and we want a settled consensus rather than something disputed. I'll reopen the discussion and close your new one now. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 10:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for quick response! ] (]) 11:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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== Request for final decision on "Białystok Municipal Stadium" article title ==
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To summarize: "Stadion Miejski" is not a proper noun but a generic, descriptive term meaning "Municipal Stadium." This naming convention is used generically across Poland and does not denote uniqueness, as seen in other cities like Kraków or Poznań. Translating it into English ensures clarity for a global audience and aligns with established practices, as evidenced by stadiums like "Kazimierz Górski Stadium" and "Wrocław Stadium." Retaining the Polish term would obscure the meaning and set a problematic precedent for similar descriptive names. Examples from other countries further support translating generic terms for accessibility and consistency. The "Chorten Arena" sponsorship name remains secondary and is not a viable contender for the primary title. Given the weight of these arguments and prior support for the move, I hope you will reach a final decision to restore the English title, Białystok Municipal Stadium, maintaining the same rationale that initially justified your move. Thank you for considering this request. ] (]) 22:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

:I wanted to bring to your attention my comment on the discussion page regarding the proposed move. A key point is that even the official website of the stadium refers to it in English as "Municipal Stadium", not "Chorten Arena." You can see this directly here: . I believe this evidence strongly supports the move to "Białystok Municipal Stadium" as the more accurate and neutral title. ] (]) 09:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Amakuru, I added some curated summaries of the cities' histories to the two Old City DYKs. I quite enjoyed writing them. Did they address your comments adequately? ] (]) 10:06, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

:Hi Amakuru, please could you have a quick look before it is timed out? ] (]) 22:55, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

== Please be more careful ==

You made the same mistake twice and . Do not repeat that. ] (]) 19:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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Today: ]. --] (]) 23:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Sir, I didn't get the ] recognition for updating ]. I was advised by DBigXRay to come to you regarding this . - ] (]) 12:26, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
:Thanks a lot sir. - ] (]) 18:15, 8 September 2019 (UTC) :Thanks! Nice listening, it's been a busy week so glad to have a bit of fun of relaxation! Wishing you a good Sunday &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 23:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:: Thank you, - we ] today. - On the Main page ] on his birthday. Listening to Beethoven's ] from the ] concert. --] (]) 20:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|Fylindfotberserk}} you're welcome, and apologies that it was late - actually it wasn't even that the browser failed to save, I just didn't notice that your name was listed as an updater of the article unfortunately. Cheers, and thanks for the good work. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 19:03, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
:::Thank you sir. I was feeling so embarrassed asking you. Thank you again. - ] (]) 19:05, 8 September 2019 (UTC) :: Listen today to the (new) ] --] (]) 10:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
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:::: Listen today to ]'s 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the ] when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with ], because he was on my ] this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --] (]) 16:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: I come to fix the cellist's name, with ] and new pics - look for red birds --] (]) 17:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: ] it's another great woman, soprano ], and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote ] for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! --] (]) 21:37, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Gerda Arendt}} Thank you! We had a requiem mass for one of my relatives yesterday, who sadly passed away recently, with some lovely music including ]. Glad to hear the update regarding Kehl and the cantatas. Wishing you and yours a fantastic Christmas season ahead. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 12:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::: Thank you for sharing, also the sad news. As it happens, today is the birthday of my friend, the widow of Ury who died, who celebrates with mother, daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter. Believe it or not, but that Ave verum was her choice of a song for me (which is why I list it among the December songs on my talk.) I just updated ], - the choral pieces are those with a composer (besides the postlude). Enjoy! - Don't miss listening to the yt in my story. --] (]) 12:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::: My ] is about ], 300 years today, and its song, 500 years old. Enjoy! --] (]) 15:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{ping|Gerda Arendt}} thank you, I have enjoyed that. I hope your festive season has been a good one. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 15:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)


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It is my opinion that The Rambling Man's reform thread at ] was not created in good faith. He has had a history of following me around to cause trouble, and is using VA as an attempt to goad me into doing something he can take me to ANI or another noticeboard for. He is repeatedly making inaccurate or uninformed statements about the Vital Articles project, and he's collecting diffs of mine, which is something nobody who was acting in good faith would do. I'm sorry you've been sucked into his pissing contest. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 22:03, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
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:It is my opinion that (once again) I'm trying to bring the odd VA project to people's attention. The collection of diffs is simply to collate the personal attacks from PBP (once again). No pissing (I just went). ] <small>(])</small> 22:05, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
:P.S. There's NO SUCH THING as a "history of following around to cause trouble" so I suggest that is removed or we can go straight to ANI to sort it out once and for all. ] <small>(])</small> 22:06, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
::Asking you to refrain from making inaccurate statements at VA is not a personal attack. Nothing I have done is a personal attack. The only thing that is a personal attack is you using VA to settle scores with me, which is what you're doing. If you weren't settling scores, you wouldn't be collecting diffs. I will not retract any of my edits, because they are true and not personal attacks. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 22:08, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
:::I'm pretty clear now that you don't know what constitutes a personal attack, hence why my diffs are so important. Sorry Amakuru, you did your best I suppose! ] <small>(])</small> 22:13, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
*{{ping|Amakuru}} I never received any sort of acknowledgement that you'd seen the concerns I had about TRM's behavior. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 16:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Purplebackpack89}} apologies, I thought given the dialogue above that you and TRM had resolved the matter and did not require any intervention from me. I have no comment on your accusation that TRM followed you around and started the conversation at ] for non-good-faith reasons. If you have concerns on those grounds, I'd have thought ] would be the place to go with details of the whole history and specific evidence. I don't really have any knowledge of the matter myself, and don't really have the time to go through it now.
*:I can't really fault TRM for starting the discussion itself, though. I think it is a conversation that needs to be had, for the reasons I set out as part of the discussion - as much as it could be an enjoyable exercise for some editors to curate and categorise articles into varying levels of "vitality", and having such a list is useful where an arbitrary set of important articles is required, e.g. ], the scope of the project should not go any further than that. In particular, the "vital" or otherwise status of an article should have no bearing on discussions raised elsewhere on Misplaced Pages regarding notability, naming, or any other policy matter. TRM is absolutely right that the small size of the editor pool in the Vital articles project make it unfit for such purposes. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 16:23, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
*::But the thing is, a lot of things on Misplaced Pages have problems with low participation. Some of those play for higher stakes than VA does. Why focus only on VA? <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 17:35, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
*:::I focus on all aspects of Misplaced Pages which may be exposed to our readers which may mislead them or give them false information. Hence my interest in parts of the main page (OTD, DYK, TFL, TFA, TFP), in the major article quality aspects (e.g. GAN, FLC, FAC) and areas which may inadvertently misrepresent Misplaced Pages's goals. No other areas of Misplaced Pages claim such a bombastic title of "vital", particularly when "vital" is selected by a sub-fractional number of users, usually the same ones. My behaviour here is simply to ensure our readers get the service they deserve when reading an encyclopedia. ] <small>(])</small> 13:58, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*::::And yet you've only made a few edits to VA ever, with all of them coming within a day or two of me making edits, usually a string of them. And many of your comments about VA indicate a lack of understand of the project; some are flat-out inaccurate. I'm sorry, I just can't take you seriously about VA reform; it should start with somebody who has a better understanding of the project and less of a history of bullying and threatening me. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 15:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*:::::Perhaps because you're "in it" you can't see how intractable it is to contribute to it. And any lack of understanding of a project which self-declares as "vital" is probably down to the fault of the project given my experience here. And finally, don't forget that I don't care if you take me seriously or not. That doesn't make any difference at all. As for your final throwaway, I won't even dignify it, other than to advise you against continuing to cast ] unless you are prepared to go to ]. Because take this as your "final thought", if you continue to cast aspersions, I'll see you there. Time for an IBAN I think. ] <small>(])</small> 15:42, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*::::::Advice not taken; why would I take advice about aspersions from a guy who's under sanction essentially for casting them about anybody and everybody? Also, IBANs are two-way, buddy. Were we to be I-banned, you'd be forbidden from responding directly to any comment I make at VA or anywhere else, and also forbidden from re-factoring my comments or edits anywhere. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 15:48, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*::::::::Oh, it wasn't advice, it was fact. If you can't stump up your evidence to support your aspersions, we'll request them via ANI. ] <small>(])</small> 16:47, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*:::::::Alright guys, leaving your differences aside for a moment, are there any actual tangible issues concerning VA that require us to act or make a decision? As I've said above, I'm personally fine with VA existing within its own little realm, as a project page, and for use in situations where people actively opt in to it, e.g. ]. I also think it would be concerning, if the vital status of an article were used in other debates elsewhere to prove a point. I'm not sure if there is any suggestion the latter has occurred though. A hatnote on the ] page explaining that it may not represent fully vetted community consensus, similar to what we put at the top of a ] page, as TRM suggested, would probably be useful but I wouldn't insist on that if there's a lot of resistance. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 16:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*::::::::Indeed, VA is a great mini-project for those handful involved in it, but it is essential that it is somehow marked that it's not the Misplaced Pages community that deems the articles being selected and deselected there almost daily as being "vital" in any community-agreed sense. ] <small>(])</small> 16:47, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*::::::::I think that kind of a hatnote is unnecessary. Comparing VA to an essay seems off; essays generally serve different purposes than VA does. A VA designation isn't like protection; it doesn't restrict the editing of a designated article (and, of course, protection isn't enacted by the kind of community consensus you demand). And I'm not buying this idea that VA somehow doesn't represent "fully vetted community consensus". It represents more community consensus than a rating from any other WikiProject does (most assessments are conducted by single editors; I myself have re-assessed hundreds of articles) and it usually represents more of a community consensus than an article does. Remember, you need at least five editors to agree; very few things ''require'' the agreement of that many editors. Do you, like, want an RfC for every change to the list? That's unnecessary and unworkable. And if we put the whole list to a big vote we'd have people voting no even though they liked 90% of the list but disapproved of a small portion. Furthermore, I think people are too hung-up on the use of the word "vital"; I'm not buying into this idea that somehow we have to play by stricter rules just because we use the word "vital". Finally, the assertion that articles are added or removed "almost daily" is ''yet another'' TRM misunderstanding of the VA project he's trying to change without really understanding. If you were to compare the Lv 3 or Lv 4 list now from what it was a year ago, you'd find that it was relatively stable. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 17:00, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*:::::::::Keep up with the accusations, noted. As for your opinion on an outside view of VA: you're on your own. ] <small>(])</small> 17:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*::::::::::I will not back away from my observation that you've made inaccurate statements about VA. If you don't like it, then you shouldn't have made inaccurate statements. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 17:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*:::::::::::You're on your own. Let me know when you will provide the information to back up your ] or we can continue this at ANI. ] <small>(])</small> 17:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*:::::::::::I already explained why you were inaccurate: you claimed that articles are promoted and demoted at VA on an "almost daily" basis; I countered by saying that VA 3 and VA4 have been relatively stable in the past year. If you want a diff, . And you're clearly not going to take me to ANI, or else you'd have done it days ago. You know full well that if this goes to ANI, you're the one getting sanctioned. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 17:14, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*::::::::::::Your diff is in no way a useful counter-claim to what I have said. But it's immaterial, as you're on your own there. But what is 100% fact is that you have cast aspersions, in numerous locations, at numerous user talk pages, you have accused me of following you after pinging me, and you have made numerous personal attacks in the past few days. It is now down to you to provide me with diffs backing your aspersions, or I will ask for them at ANI, along with providing the community with the multiple personal attacks you have levelled at me and the aspersions you have cast. ] <small>(])</small> 17:20, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*:::::::::::::: you started critical discussion about VA project (ok, maybe you just"tried" understand what VA is, okey... but where later was"good faith"?), you make edit with description "trying to help" but finally you wrote your honest viewpoint and engaging . If you had good faith and you were trying to help (I try belive, I hope you stil have so) why among many options to productive solutions you chosed jut a sentence "daring to even question anything here is not worth the resulting indignation.", why you did not suggested something other? You could say that for example vital article project can revolve around ] which would be later very useful for or something other like WP:Core Challenge? Level 3 and 4 are stabile, these ones were edited by multiple editors for years what was even agreed by ], and nowhere is wroten: ''vital articles is consensus of "whole" community of the Misplaced Pages'' becaue of nothing is consensus of "whole" community of Misplaced Pages one the Misplaced Pages. If we are going to make more general discussions what else can improve project VA I belive we should make discussions about another project on Wikimedia (Nettrom kept me relevant message and FWIHW he is now alone in that project on Wikimedia because of second one constributor now is not active in Wikimedia) or about that WP Challenge. Cheers for all (with good faith). ] (]) 17:48, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*:::::::::::::::Yes, the problems started when editors started quoting "vitality level" as some kind of pass at ITN, that was problematic. I'm not sure why everyone is fixated with levels 3 and 4 "vital articles", I don't believe I have ever referred to those, whether those are somehow considered "stable" or not is not really relevant. They have still been picked by a microscopic fraction of a percentage of users and self-declared as "vital" to the project (and by inference, to our readers). It has since become obvious that there is no obvious disclaimer that makes this clear to anyone, let alone our readers. I think your questions about the hostility with which my comments at the project have generally been received speak for themselves. ] <small>(])</small> 18:25, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*::::::::::::::::TRM, we'd take your reforms more seriously if you didn't ground them in hostily and exaggeration. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 20:33, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
*:::::::::::::::::No, it's just you alone here complaining about me, so "we'd take your reforms"?? Nope, you're on your own. As soon as you've backed up your ] with the required diffs where I "bullied" and "threatened" you here, we can move on. In the meantime, I'm not interested in anything you have to say. ] <small>(])</small> 20:35, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Okay, well getting back on track - the core topics seem to have been created by the ] and its earlier incarnations for an offline version of wikipedia. I have no idea if these are still active. For some reason the core topics and vital articles were seen as separate. I will try and ask Jaranda/Secret who I can get in touch with readily. ] (] '''·''' ]) 20:26, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure the core bios project is dead and has been for several years. I'll poke around and help you out on who to talk to about having core bios hosted by the VA project from hereon out. Since V 1.0, technology has moved in a direction to render a successor project to V 1.0 obsolete. When V 1.0 was done, people were still using CDs and not really using smartphones. Now, most people have smartphones, but few have devices that can take a CD. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 20:33, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
:::The CD to smart phone ratio is probably still high in some parts of the world, from my experience, although it is certainly reducing everywhere. I think the bigger problem for v1.0 was the sheer enormity of the task, insufficient volunteers, the inherent problems with trying to snapshot what is actually a living, breathing, encyclopedia that constantly changes, and a general lack of clarity about what the project hoped to achieve. VA doesn't suffer from as many of these issues, as it is not about sandboxing, and it's pretty much acknowledged that it has no greater purpose than to collate and list the entries. Presumably that makes it easier to work on. As an aside, the necessity of having five votes for changes can be a hindrance at times as well. Sometimes fairly obvious changes fail because the quorum isn't achieved, and that's not because the suggestions don't have consensus, it's just that the VA project doesn't have huge numbers of editors around. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 20:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
::I have on that page whether it can be marked as 'inactive' or 'historical' was it superceded by "wikipedia in a box"? which I can't find now....] (] '''·''' ]) 20:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Casliber}} ? <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">]]]</span> 21:06, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
::::Yes - this was it. I ''think'' it did happen...pinging {{ping|Doc James}}.....] (] '''·''' ]) 23:20, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
:::::So the WP 1.0 was an effort to create a small subset of the core content of Misplaced Pages. As memory because less and less expensive, this becomes less important for some offline efforts.
:::::We now have which ships with a 128 Gb microSD card (and can fit all of EN WP)
:::::These are however separate projects. ] (] · ] · ]) 18:11, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


== Timeline of the United States intervention in the Syrian civil war ==
== Osroene ==


Hi. Did you realize that you already cast a !vote at the ] RM? Just a heads up. ] (]) 20:52, 13 September 2019 (UTC) What do you mean by "restore status quo name WP:RMUM"? It's move after the ] article. You wouldn't use FR instead of France or IT instead of Italy etc. The United States are also a country with own name. ] (]) 21:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Eurohunter}} hello and thanks for your note. Well, firstly the text you quote above is self-explanatory - you did a ] move on the page and I reverted you remove as per the procedure outlined at ]. Any potentially controversial move is subject to being reverted and it's then up to you and others to start a formal requested move discussion if you wish to proceed. Secondly, on the merits of the move itself, using "US" (or sometimes "U.S.") as a shorthand for the United States is vastly more common than using "FR" or "IT" would be. There are numerous examples across the project such as ], ], ] etc. where it makes the title more concise to shorten it. The title "Timeline of the United States intervention in the Syrian civil war" is already very long and it seems helpful for readers to make it shorter where we can by using the very well-known abbreviation. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 22:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Station1}} oh wow, I'd totally forgotten,and didn't notice it when I was reading the discussion... At least I voted the same way both times! That could be a case of great minds think alike; Or else fools seldom differ ] Thanks for the heads up, anyway, I've pulled the second !vote &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 21:45, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


==RM closure== == Question ==
Hello Amakuru. The move request on ], where you have participated, has been open for more than a month and now the discussion has become rather pointless. Where can I request closure by an uninvolved admin? ] (]) 17:17, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


Hey, @]. Could you take a look at ] and tell me if it's fine to schedule it? One of the articles that it is in, ], contained ] which I don't know if that makes it main page material or not and the ] page is just littered with cns and tags. {{smiley|shades}} Thanks, <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 21:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
== new IP ==
:Hi {{ping|Cowboygilbert}} thanks for the query, and I've got to be honest - I'm not really sure why this work doesn't have a page of its own... it doesn't really seem like either of the two articles where it currently appears really do it much justice in terms of covering any sort of detail on it, and it is surely a notable work of art in its own right (it's somewhat similar to ] but later and combining all seasons into one; it's also covered in sources such as and doubtless others so shouldn't be too hard to construct something. Personally, given the state of the two other articles - one using deprecated parenthetical referencing and the other very badly sourced, I'd recommend holding off until such time as we can get an article together. But I suppose if you can construct something with what we've got and it's relevant to the painting and cited then I wouldn't entirely object. On another note, I'm always on the look out for things we can put up as little "jokes" on April Fools' Day (see ] for next year, and ] for a particular favourite of mine) so it we could maybe get it up to scratch by 1 April 2026 and then construct a blurb that's a little jokey while also describing the work accurately, that might be a nice date to use ]. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 21:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yeah, I don't usually create articles that aren't related to pop culture lol. I'll toss it in /Unused and say that {{tlx|sources exist}} and it could be a separate article. I'll try to look out for an April Fools image though! Thanks, <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 22:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::I did find the newly promoted FP and it might be perfect for April Fools! ] <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 22:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Cowboygilbert}} ha ha, yes, go for it! &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 22:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
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== ''The Signpost'': 12 December 2024 ==
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== Do you feel == == Fishes ==


Thank you for moving the articles I requested. In biology a taxon may have more than one scientific name but an author is expected to choose a name and stick to it. ] project has agreed to use '']'' as the guide to the taxonomy, including specific names. This means that if the article title is a scientific name then it should be the "correct" name, i.e. that used by ECoF, so I don't see how the article titles policy is being circumvented. ''Nun galileus'' is used because the genus name on its own would need disambiguation. ] (]) 14:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
that your write-up of ] really fits NPOV? ]] 05:57, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Quetzal1964}} yeah, thanks for the note and as I said, I'll not oppose these and I can certainly see the advantage of using a consistent approach to naming. My main concern was with respect to the ] aspect of the titling policy. From a brief look around it did appear like ''Oxynoemacheilus galilaeus'' was being used by a lot more different sources than ''Nun galileus''. Some may be out-of-date of course, in which case a ] situation is in play; what I mean is that in general I'm wary of relying on one source while avoiding larger usage in others, but in this specialised case it may be justified, and the WikiProject discussion seems to suggest editors are happy with that approach. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 14:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, I would say so. Granted it's a controversial topic, and opinions on the matter tend to be very polarised, but I've tried where possible to just stick to the facts rather than make it opinionated. There's plenty of mention of criticism of PK, which has come from various quarters, but that's balanced against other sources which spin his achievements more positively. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 12:08, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


== My pleasure == == Seasons Greetings!==


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It's a pleasure to meet you Amakuru. A very distinctive user name, and impressive. If my research is correct, it can also refer to Information? (I researched Google before taking the much more sensible route of just reading your user page) I do tend to take the long way around the barn at times. Getting ''ALL'' Rwanda articles up to B class is a rather large goal, but at least it gives you plenty of work to do. Either way, it is a pleasure, and I wish you the best. Cheers. ] (]) 11:57, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Ched}} he he, yes... I'll probably have to abandom that lofty goal. And it doesn't help that I've diverted on to writing about other topics, such as the ] and ] this year. I'm doing OK on the core ones, though - ], ] and ] all FAs now. Will keep plodding away at those over the years as time permits! I believe you're right - Amakuru can mean information too. It's usually the first of a long list of greetings which people run through when meeting each other, before they get on to any other topics. Others include ''amashyo'' (may you have lots of cows), and various wishes for Jesus to watch over you etc. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 12:06, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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== Removing "The" from song and album disambiguators ==
Then I would suggest proposing ] for deletion. There's no point in redirecting ] to ] and also having this article. I would, incidentally, have no problem with its deletion, but currently information is duplicated. -- ] (]) 11:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Necrothesp}} I agree that there's little value in that page. It is very short and the content that's there could easily be merged and covered in ]. Be that as it may, however, there's no justification for end-arounding the recent RFD discussion which concluded there was no consensus to change the redirect at ]. Cheers and happy Christmas. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 10:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::I was not aware of that RfD! However, I would respectfully point out that it appears to have been over a different issue. -- ] (]) 23:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Happy holidays! ==
Did you miss the discussion? is the latest; nobody has volunteered to do a new RFC to try to overturn the consensus. In any case, I think it's wrong to call such moves "undiscussed". ] (]) 23:59, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Dicklyon}} It's been pointed out by several editors, both after the fact and at the ANI you mention, that there was °no consensus for the change. The discussion was poorly attended and the close looked like a ], ignoring reasons to maintain the status quo. To use that to start ramming through large numbers of moves with no listings at ] is not acceptable. Of course, it doesn't mean there's any reason for you to be dragged to ANI, but equally you should stop making the mass moves unless a clear consensus is established. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 02:02, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
'''Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025! ♦ ] (]) 17:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::The consensus at the AN discussion appeared to be that moving ahead was OK, and that if someone objected they should start a new RFC. There's no reason to discuss this at individual article RMs. And your choice of words "ramming through" seems to demean the good intention of editors working toward the consensus style. ] (]) 02:42, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Maliner}} many thanks, and very kind of you to send this to me. Wishing you and yours a joyful Christmas and a great 2025. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 10:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== OTD issue for 1987 Forsyth County protests ==
== Sectional(s) ==
I received a notification this morning regarding an OTD issue related to the ] article that I wrote a while back. After looking through the edit logs for ], the only conclusion I can come to is that I mixed up the dates, putting the event under December 24 instead of January 24. It was an unfortunate oversight on my part. As I'm not too experienced with OTD matters, I wasn't sure where to send this response, but I nonetheless wanted to apologize for any issues that may have caused with the process. Thanks, -] (]) 12:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|JJonahJackalope}} no worries at all, mistakes happen... I was only worried in case there was some actual event that took place on 24 December that I was missing. Thanks for your contributions to the project, and wishing you a happy festive season. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 14:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Happy Holidays!!!!! ==
Hi there - I realized I forgot to ping you in my response to your !vote at ]. I'm sure you saw it and just didn't respond, but just in case, I wanted to draw your attention to the response. Thanks! ] (]) 17:56, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Dohn joe}} good afternoon/evening and thanks for the message and no, in fact I hadn't seen your response to my point. I have added a general comment in reply to the replies on my !vote. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 19:42, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


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Psssst, I'm not sure if you ever thought to update it, but all of the works under your football section which use "Final" in the title link to redirects. I probably notice this stuff more than others based on the CSS I use to indicate when pages are redirects, which displays them in green. Also, the GA link for ] is also a redirect. Not at all a big deal! But I personally like to bypass redirects when showing off my work and figured, hey, how often do people click their promoted content from their own user page? ] (]) 18:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Amakuru, could you unblock my old account ({{user|Ansh666}}), please? I feel like the self-block has served its purpose, and I'd like to have the option to return to it if I wish to. Thanks! ].] 18:59, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Ansh.666}} {{ping|Ansh666}} {{Done}} with pleasure. If you want the account to have any user rights, let me know. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 20:23, 27 September 2019 (UTC) :{{ping|Hey man im josh}} ooh thanks, that's a good point. As you've guessed I hadn't notified this and can barely remember what's on the user page anyway. I'm in the middle of things right now but will update it to lowercase when I get the chance. Or you can feel free if you want to do it! Cheers, and wishing you a great festive season. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 18:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::Sure no problem, bypassed those redirects for you. Oh, and also, if you are interested in having redirects highlighted and italized like I am (which I recognize not everyone is), the relevant code is at ]. I hope you have a wonderful holiday season as well! ] (]) 18:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! I think extended-confirmed is the only one I'd need back. ].] 21:30, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

:::Great, I've added that. Cheers, and a happy weekend to you &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 22:22, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Jähmefyysikko}} apologies, that was an oversight on my part. I thought that the RM was only asking about switching Eric to Erik, I missed the complication over Erik XII. I've now Moved it as you proposed. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 17:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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Hi, I noticed that you changed "euro" in {{Queue|2}}. It should probably also be changed in the caption. I'd recommend using the title: ''Euro-Skulptur''. ]&nbsp;<span style="color:blue">•</span>&nbsp;] 18:49, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hello {{ping|Amakuru}}! I have seen that you're an administrator who can revert page moves. Can you please revert the user Kautilya3's undiscussed move of the ] to the ] and now ]. Please revert it to the .


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Hello! I was definitely overboard with the IP and I won't argue for a revert but I just want to clarify that I ]-ed said comments on ] because I had suspicion that the way the other user screamed Erdogan may be something resembling a COI or ], not because of any disagreement. ] (]) 12:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
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:Hi {{ping|Borgenland}} and thanks for your note. I do agree with you that there could have been an element of "forum" in the comments about following what Erdogan says, but I think within that there was also a legitimate request in there saying that we should be referring to the country as "Turkiye". Like yourself, I don't agree with that request, but once it's made we should simply respond to it, not remove it entirely from the talk page. Incidentally, it seems I completely messed things up myself earlier as well, and ended up removing my own comment and others too. I've hopefully fixed that now. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 15:27, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
{{atop|Fine. Consider it closed then. I think we're just about done here, anyway. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 20:23, 30 September 2019 (UTC)}}
::I was about to ask you about the removal, but I suddenly got busy. ] (]) 15:31, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Hello dude, just seeing some of the commentary over at the place whose name I cannot speak. A quick summary from me on checks I perform (to get it from the two hours to something like 15 minutes):
==Bhanot==
#Check the hook is written in grammatically correct English and matches words and ENGVAR used in the article.
Thanks for reverting that disruptive page move. - ] (]) 09:46, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
#Check the article is okay, that's a multi-step process:
##Check that there are no unreferenced claims ''in general'', i.e. look for paras or sentences without refs.
##Check that the article is written in grammatically correct English (spot check, but especially around the hook region).
##Check that the hook is real.
##Check that the reference verifying the hook is live.
##(Check for MOS – I do this because I can, I'm good at it and I want the stuff on the main page to be decent, which it often isn't – this is optional...!)
##Check for basic DYK fails (bare URLs, stub templates, maintenance tags by the way]).
That's it. That I can find at least two hooks per day to complain about with such simple checks is disappointing. Anyone claiming they don't have time to do the above shouldn't be promoting sets to '''the Main Page of[REDACTED] for its 16–20 million views PER DAY!!!'''. ] <small>(])</small> 17:30, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
:::::To answer this point, thanks for the tips - all commonsense stuff of course, but good to have in black and white and I'll run through this checklist next time I'm doing the queues, so it will come in useful. And I take your point about being careful and taking the time to prepare things properly for the readers, although in my defence I usually only do the hooks when it gets to 12 hours before go-live, and nobody's done them yet (this was much more of an issue a few months ago, before Valereee was promoted). And as I said in the other place, I do check them over for basic errors first. The alternative would be to do nothing, but then rather than the previous day's hook set remaining in place, which would be acceptable if undesirable, everyone instead gets into a panic and the prep set is promoted with virtually no checking at all, at a moment's notice, which isn't ideal at all. It's annoying that even after four levels of checking (nominator, reviewer, promoter, admin) you're still seeing issues, but it can't be only me to blame because I'm not even involved most days... Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 20:03, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
::And the band hook, "it was authorized to have 37..." would probably work. I now see it, but it's taken seven double-takes. ] <small>(])</small> 18:00, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
:::Quite so. It was the same with me, I stared at it earlier this afternoon, trying to see what I'd missed, but failed. That suggestion sounds sensible anyway. The statement seems to be crying out for a {{by whom}} tag, but maybe that's obvious to people who move in military circles. I will come back to your other point after I've had my dinner. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 18:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
::::No rush dude. It's just what I do. And as you know, I'm brilliant at it. ] <small>(])</small> 18:08, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
:::::Of course. And modest too. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 18:29, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


They have reverted to their preferred title again, and they are in fact a sockpuppet of {{noping|Truthfindervert}} (see ] & ]) can you please consider blocking them? - ] (]) 10:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
And I'm sorry about {{U|Maile66}}'s objectionable behaviour, for instance . They need to take some time out to think hard, really '''hard''' about their despicable behaviour. ] <small>(])</small> 20:15, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
:It appears that I may have to bring {{U|Maile66}}'s behaviour to Arbcom as they clearly know not what they do or say. ] <small>(])</small> 20:19, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
::Re {{tq|"the place whose name I cannot speak"}}; it's not just the name, it's the process, and the TBAN extends to this page. The conversation you're having here shouldn't be happening here, it should be happening at your errors page. Anyone who felt like it could start another AE dramafest over this. Amakuru, you know this too; you could have moved the locus of the conversation just as easily. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 20:21, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::Oh well fuck it then. Just apply the block. Three months. This is fucking absurd. I'm here to help those working with the process, help the main page etc. Utter bullshit. Thanks Vanamonde for not just kneejerking into a block but I'm sick of this now. ] <small>(])</small> 20:25, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
::::I'm not going to block you. I'm not even going to drag you to AE. I'm just asking you to have the damn conversation in a place where no one has an excuse to create drama over it. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 20:27, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
:::::Because it's HELPFUL and POSITIVE and PRO-ENCYCLOPEDIA and really nothing to do with the Arbcom ruling, right? ] <small>(])</small> 20:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


:Yes, {{ping|Amakuru}}, the sock has been making disruptive edits since the last 12 hours. ] (]) 10:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
{{U|Vanamonde93}} is misrepresenting. You are fully entitled to help me help Misplaced Pages in my own words. I'm shocked and dismayed that he would make such a false claim in his position. ] <small>(])</small> 20:42, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
:But anyway He is the one who used to playing trump card for his pseudo unsentimental approach to roughly interrogate every single article which start with same uniformity including those of ] especially ] ] (]) 10:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:Well maybe it is, maybe it isn't. It hardly matters though, as in most cases the issue can be discussed without needing to copy across your exact wording (which would be a breach of ] if I did it without attribution!) And I only ever raise issues that I agree with at WT:DYK anyway. In the rare cases where I don't agree with one of your points, I obviously wouldn't raise it over there, so there's no basis for accusing me of proxying really. And if they do'nt want me to mention your name then I don't have to. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 20:48, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
::I usually minding my own business, but still, I got to tolerate thsi commutable backlash by this two user which stalking my article creation and giving unconventional stand-pointing summaries for just bullying an wikipedian @] the first one is also confronted by administrators but nothing could be seem so far ] (]) 10:13, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::It's pretty clear that Vanamonde's warning was without substance, with regard to "proxying", utter bullshit in fact. It's not about mentioning my name, but if it is, so much more pathetic. I suppose 14 years of trying to keep the main page free of horse shit isn't enough of a barnstar to convince some people. Fuck 'em. ] <small>(])</small> 20:56, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
:::You are a sockpuppet who is pov-pushing, and using vpns to hide your location. Do not accuse anyone or pov-pushing or 'bullying" or "stalking". ] (]) 10:28, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Oh FFS, Amakuru, where have I accused you of proxying? I have described a hypothetical; if you've never done something like that, well and good. TRM yelling at me is nothing new; but if you think I've accused you of something I haven't, I think I can expect you to raise it on my talk page (as I did on yours) so we can talk about it like adults. Why you continually avoid giving me direct replies, I cannot fathom. (Added post-EC): I haven't given Amakuru a "warning" either; all I did was to explain the policy about proxying. I stand by that explanation. You have issues with that, you know where to go. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 21:01, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
::::Why i am convincing someone who have lonely prospective to defame other user hegemony without their consent even if they Doesn't want to cope up for some redundant complex @] ] (]) 10:36, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, you made up the proxying thing. It's bollocks. Hopefully at some point we'll all agree that we're all working '''for''' the benefit of our readers. Right now, there are a few here who clearly are missing that message. I think it's time for you Vanamonde to get a reality check here. ] <small>(])</small> 21:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
:::::You know-your words don't make sense, you are not fluent in English, I assume? Second, msg on my or your talk page, don't clog this talk page. Third, you are editing opposite to the policies of wikipedia, no one is trying to "defame" you. ] (]) 10:40, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If it's bollocks, why don't you ask Amakuru to copy your posts to WT:DYK without any accompanying commentary from him? Regardless: you're the one who needs a reality check. You have the simplest possible TBAN; you're allowed to talk about the DYK process on exactly one page, ]. Three times, in the last few months, you've violated that; given your continual insistence on your own infallibility, forgetfulness is no longer an excuse. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 21:09, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Vanamonde93}} {{ec}} OK, here's a direct reply then. If I appeared evasive to you, it's only because I don't particularly want to be involved in this drama and I saw no reason to get involved in the ongoing discussion at your own talk page, but thought it polite to answer direct points made here on my talk. I get that you and TRM don't get along, that's very unfortunate, but personally I like and respect both of you and I have no wish to get into any disputes. On the proxying issue, your exact words were: {{xt|"If Amakuru agrees with your assessment of the issue, he should raise it as something that concerns him. If he doesn't, he could ask for a second opinion at WT:DYK; but in either case, simply saying "TRM spotted this, please do something about it" without making it clear where he stands on the matter isn't helpful, because it is proxying, and because we can't engage you in conversation at WT:DYK."}} which I interpreted as a suggestion that the thread I started at WT:DYK, regarding the Military Band, was proxying in violation of TRM's topic ban. But if that wasn't what you meant, then all well and good. Thanks &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 21:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
:::::@Amakuru: Okay, fair enough. To be clear, I do not think that particular thread was proxying, nor, to the best of my knowledge, have you ever violated that policy. Since the topic of proxying was brought up, I figured I should clarify; I certainly did not anticipate that leading to the subsequent shouting match. You are, of course, not obliged to get involved with unpleasantness that doesn't directly concern you. I do appreciate the work you put into the main page: thank you for that. Best, <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 21:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
::::::(ec) Sure and I appreciate your patience when ''all I've done is report problems with the main page''. Your accusations however have now transcended that, your claims that someone repeating my errors to be a violation of PROXY. Stop changing the subject. (My insistence of my infallibility is fucking sarcasm, obviously, get a grip). If you actually believe that Amakuru's repeats of my error reports to be a violation of the PROXY policy, please start an ] case. I think that's utter horseshit, but if you continue to level it at me and others who help make the main page a better place, we need to resolve it post-haste. ] <small>(])</small> 21:16, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I don't think that will be necessary. We've identified a way forward - I'll clone and own the issues if I need to discuss them at ] - and Vanamonde has already indicated that they haven't seen any proxying going on today, and they aren't going to pursue the matter through a block or AE thread, so there's no need for any further rhetoric. Let's move on from this and build an encyclopaedia, or some other shit like that. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 21:26, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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Move conflict

Hey there, I think we both tried to do the same round-robin page move at the same time. See S. M. Marikkar. Should I fix it, or will you? Toadspike 17:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

tldr; the article now redirects to what was supposed to be the new title. The new title is a redirect to itself. So the article has been vaporized and we have two nonsensical redirects. Sorry for this mess. Toadspike 17:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
@Toadspike: ooh good grief, that's a silly mix-up, apologies for my part in that - we crashed right into each other! I think it's because I was busy checking the target history while you were moving the page, then I ended up moving the redirect right over the top of the article. HOpefully all sorted now anyway. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 18:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you so much for cleaning up the mess! I knew my first round-robin move was gonna go wrong somehow... Toadspike 18:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
@Toadspike: He he, not to worry. I didn't realise that was your first one! I'm sure they'll go smoothly in the future, you did the right process anyway.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:11, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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Why are you moving pages back that I had moved as per WP:CONSISTENT? The lists of international trips by presidents I moved were all in line with naming convention. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 03:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Hemant Dabral: what naming convention is that? The moves you had made did not look uncontroversial to me - particularly changing the commonly used term "state visit" to be "international trip" doesn't seem in line with our usual naming conventions. Please start a WP:RM discussion if you wish to proceed with those moves. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
There are more articles titled "international trips", it has more search probability and to keep all lists in consistency this title should be used. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 11:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Hemant Dabral: clearly we need to iron out the nomenclature here, but that should be done through an RM if you wish to pursue it. If some articles have a bad title the solution isn't to move even more of them to have a bad title. "International trips" doesn't sound like encyclopedic tone, and also would potentially include holidays and suchlike which I don't think is the intention. "International visits" or "state visits" would be preferable.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
It's not some articles that have the title "international trips", all of them are tilted that way except the one related to Nicola Sturgeon. And six others titled "state visit". There are about 100 articles titled "international presidential trips" and about 60 articles titled "international prime ministerial trips". Are we going to move all these back to "visits" or is it more practical to move these seven articles to "trips"? That's the reason I made the move, otherwise I wouldn't have done that. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 15:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
@Hemant Dabral: I understand what you're saying, but you'd still need to explain to me why the word "trip" is the best choice here. I'm not here to implement the most "practical" solution, I'm here to build an encyclopedia which is the best it can be for our readers, and that means using the correct names for things according to our article titling policy. That may also mean moving other titles to be better as well. Consistency is a good aim to have if the thing you're making consistent is a good thing, but otherwise it isn't. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Recent addition to Unused

Hey, Amakuru. Do you think Lipid bilayer would be a good fit for File:Phospholipids aqueous solution structures.svg? Seems like it covers every structure and has several mentions of the bilayer (ofc), liposomes, and of micelles. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Cowboygilbert:... I'm actually slightly puzzled about this, because I literally started writing a POTD entry using that very article shortly before I filed the pic as unused, but then backed out because I thought the article Lipid bilayer was only covering one of the three things in the pic (since the bottom part of the diagram is explicitly labelled as "bilayer sheet". But you're absolutely right - it does cover the micelles and liposomes too, not sure how I missed that, and it's a GA too so a perfect choice for a POTD blurb. Feel free to revive it now if you like, otherwise I will do so in the next few days. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
@Amakuru, All good, . I'll probably construct something but I have been focusing mainly on media for my last couple schedules. Thank you! Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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thank you! - greetings from a trip --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda Arendt, I was also away over the weekend, nowhere very exciting though, just New Addington and walks in the surrounding countryside  — Amakuru (talk) 17:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for sharing! - I uploaded pics of a trip that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Oo I think I sang that song at one point in my youth. Very sorry to hear about the loss of your friend, may they rest in peace. I took part in a performance of Fauré's Requiem yesterday with my orchestra, alongside a local choir. Very lovely and moving music I sang tenor in it many years ago. Sadly my uncle is nearing the end of his life and we may sing some of that Requiem at his funeral.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. I sang alto in the Fauré years ago. Went out with my friend now widow and others, to the service pictured and food - a good time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Białystok Municipal Stadium closure of RM

Hi! For a possible move review, I want to ask about the closing of the RM on "Talk:Białystok Municipal Stadium" (I have no experience with move reviews yet, so I started to write the same thing in the new RM on that page).

I disagree with your claim that there is a consensus that is a commonly used name in English. Apart from the proposer, no one has claimed this – one supporter just said that is it more recognisable thant the current name, and one supporter argumented that English name is a standard for stadiums (which I refuted). No one has presented evidence for the statement that the suggested name is the most common or most understandable name. I suggested other names for the page that meet the supporter's request for the move, yet the page was moved to the name suggested by the original proposer. I think closing the discussion was premature and reasoning inaccurate.

I don't know if a possible move review is necessary (the new RM could serve its purpose), but one of the discussants is asking for a speedy close and asks me to deal with it through move review. FromCzech (talk) 09:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello @FromCzech: and thanks for your query. Procedurally, talking to me first and then seeking a move review is the right approach. It's rarely appropriate to start a brand new RM immediately after the previous one closed with consensus, unless the first close was something like WP:NOGOODOPTIONS and editors want to explore in more depth between two possible names that weren't the original status quo. Otherwise, the correct course is to review or reopen the original discussion.
In this case the consensus appeared clear and I had closed it that way, there isn't really scope for a brand new RM, so approaching me rather than starting a new RM was the way forward. Since you've now done that, I am prepared to relist the discussion for a further week, since it does seem like there's more to dicuss and we want a settled consensus rather than something disputed. I'll reopen the discussion and close your new one now. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for quick response! FromCzech (talk) 11:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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Request for final decision on "Białystok Municipal Stadium" article title

Hi Amakuru, I kindly ask you to revisit the discussion on the title of Białystok Municipal Stadium. You previously moved the article under this name, recognizing it as the most appropriate and consistent with Misplaced Pages's conventions. However, after vacating that decision and relisting, I have provided additional reasoning addressing misconceptions and counterarguments raised by FromCzech. To summarize: "Stadion Miejski" is not a proper noun but a generic, descriptive term meaning "Municipal Stadium." This naming convention is used generically across Poland and does not denote uniqueness, as seen in other cities like Kraków or Poznań. Translating it into English ensures clarity for a global audience and aligns with established practices, as evidenced by stadiums like "Kazimierz Górski Stadium" and "Wrocław Stadium." Retaining the Polish term would obscure the meaning and set a problematic precedent for similar descriptive names. Examples from other countries further support translating generic terms for accessibility and consistency. The "Chorten Arena" sponsorship name remains secondary and is not a viable contender for the primary title. Given the weight of these arguments and prior support for the move, I hope you will reach a final decision to restore the English title, Białystok Municipal Stadium, maintaining the same rationale that initially justified your move. Thank you for considering this request. Paradygmaty (talk) 22:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

I wanted to bring to your attention my comment on the discussion page regarding the proposed move. A key point is that even the official website of the stadium refers to it in English as "Municipal Stadium", not "Chorten Arena." You can see this directly here: Municipal Stadium in Białystok. I believe this evidence strongly supports the move to "Białystok Municipal Stadium" as the more accurate and neutral title. Paradygmaty (talk) 09:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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Old Cities

Hi Amakuru, I added some curated summaries of the cities' histories to the two Old City DYKs. I quite enjoyed writing them. Did they address your comments adequately? Onceinawhile (talk) 10:06, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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story · music · places

Today's story comes from a DYK about a concert that fascinated me, and you can listen! For my taste, the hook has too little music - I miss the unusual scoring and the specific dedication - but it comes instead with a name good for viewcount. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Today: listen to Sequenza XIV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Nice listening, it's been a busy week so glad to have a bit of fun of relaxation! Wishing you a good Sunday  — Amakuru (talk) 23:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, - we sang in choirs today. - On the Main page Jean Sibelius on his birthday. Listening to Beethoven's Fifth from the opening of Notre-Dame de Paris concert. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for all of this! Will listen again to the fifth from Notre Dame, it's a definite favourite, we played it a few years ago.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:28, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Today it's another great woman, soprano Sigrid Kehl, and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote seven cantatas for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Thank you! We had a requiem mass for one of my relatives yesterday, who sadly passed away recently, with some lovely music including Ave Maria (Schubert). Glad to hear the update regarding Kehl and the cantatas. Wishing you and yours a fantastic Christmas season ahead.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for sharing, also the sad news. As it happens, today is the birthday of my friend, the widow of Ury who died, who celebrates with mother, daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter. Believe it or not, but that Ave verum was her choice of a song for me (which is why I list it among the December songs on my talk.) I just updated what we'll perform tonight, - the choral pieces are those with a composer (besides the postlude). Enjoy! - Don't miss listening to the yt in my story. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
My first Christmas story is about Gelobet seist du, Jesu Christ, BWV 91, 300 years today, and its song, 500 years old. Enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: thank you, I have enjoyed that. I hope your festive season has been a good one.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Timeline of the United States intervention in the Syrian civil war

What do you mean by "restore status quo name WP:RMUM"? It's move after the United States article. You wouldn't use FR instead of France or IT instead of Italy etc. The United States are also a country with own name. Eurohunter (talk) 21:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

@Eurohunter: hello and thanks for your note. Well, firstly the text you quote above is self-explanatory - you did a WP:BOLD move on the page and I reverted you remove as per the procedure outlined at WP:RMUM. Any potentially controversial move is subject to being reverted and it's then up to you and others to start a formal requested move discussion if you wish to proceed. Secondly, on the merits of the move itself, using "US" (or sometimes "U.S.") as a shorthand for the United States is vastly more common than using "FR" or "IT" would be. There are numerous examples across the project such as US Senate career of Barack Obama, US missile defense system in Asia-Pacific Region, U.S. state etc. where it makes the title more concise to shorten it. The title "Timeline of the United States intervention in the Syrian civil war" is already very long and it seems helpful for readers to make it shorter where we can by using the very well-known abbreviation. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hey, @Amakuru. Could you take a look at File:Giuseppe Arcimboldo - Four Seasons in One Head - Google Art Project.jpg and tell me if it's fine to schedule it? One of the articles that it is in, Synesthesia in art, contained parenthetical referencing which I don't know if that makes it main page material or not and the artist page is just littered with cns and tags. Thanks, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 21:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Cowboygilbert: thanks for the query, and I've got to be honest - I'm not really sure why this work doesn't have a page of its own... it doesn't really seem like either of the two articles where it currently appears really do it much justice in terms of covering any sort of detail on it, and it is surely a notable work of art in its own right (it's somewhat similar to The Four Seasons (Arcimboldo) but later and combining all seasons into one; it's also covered in sources such as and doubtless others so shouldn't be too hard to construct something. Personally, given the state of the two other articles - one using deprecated parenthetical referencing and the other very badly sourced, I'd recommend holding off until such time as we can get an article together. But I suppose if you can construct something with what we've got and it's relevant to the painting and cited then I wouldn't entirely object. On another note, I'm always on the look out for things we can put up as little "jokes" on April Fools' Day (see Template:POTD/2025-04-01 for next year, and Template:POTD/2019-04-01 for a particular favourite of mine) so it we could maybe get it up to scratch by 1 April 2026 and then construct a blurb that's a little jokey while also describing the work accurately, that might be a nice date to use . Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 21:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't usually create articles that aren't related to pop culture lol. I'll toss it in /Unused and say that {{sources exist}} and it could be a separate article. I'll try to look out for an April Fools image though! Thanks, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 22:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
I did find the newly promoted FP and it might be perfect for April Fools! File:Albert Einstein sticks his tongue.jpg Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 22:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
@Cowboygilbert: ha ha, yes, go for it!  — Amakuru (talk) 22:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for moving the articles I requested. In biology a taxon may have more than one scientific name but an author is expected to choose a name and stick to it. WP:Fishes project has agreed to use Eschmeyer's Catalog of Fishes as the guide to the taxonomy, including specific names. This means that if the article title is a scientific name then it should be the "correct" name, i.e. that used by ECoF, so I don't see how the article titles policy is being circumvented. Nun galileus is used because the genus name on its own would need disambiguation. Quetzal1964 (talk) 14:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

@Quetzal1964: yeah, thanks for the note and as I said, I'll not oppose these and I can certainly see the advantage of using a consistent approach to naming. My main concern was with respect to the WP:COMMONNAME aspect of the titling policy. From a brief look around it did appear like Oxynoemacheilus galilaeus was being used by a lot more different sources than Nun galileus. Some may be out-of-date of course, in which case a WP:NAMECHANGES situation is in play; what I mean is that in general I'm wary of relying on one source while avoiding larger usage in others, but in this specialised case it may be justified, and the WikiProject discussion seems to suggest editors are happy with that approach. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 14:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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Priestess

Then I would suggest proposing Priestess (religious honorific) for deletion. There's no point in redirecting priestess to priest and also having this article. I would, incidentally, have no problem with its deletion, but currently information is duplicated. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@Necrothesp: I agree that there's little value in that page. It is very short and the content that's there could easily be merged and covered in Priest. Be that as it may, however, there's no justification for end-arounding the recent RFD discussion which concluded there was no consensus to change the redirect at Priestess. Cheers and happy Christmas.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
I was not aware of that RfD! However, I would respectfully point out that it appears to have been over a different issue. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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@Maliner: many thanks, and very kind of you to send this to me. Wishing you and yours a joyful Christmas and a great 2025.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

OTD issue for 1987 Forsyth County protests

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@JJonahJackalope: no worries at all, mistakes happen... I was only worried in case there was some actual event that took place on 24 December that I was missing. Thanks for your contributions to the project, and wishing you a happy festive season.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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User page works

Psssst, I'm not sure if you ever thought to update it, but all of the works under your football section which use "Final" in the title link to redirects. I probably notice this stuff more than others based on the CSS I use to indicate when pages are redirects, which displays them in green. Also, the GA link for King's Cross Thameslink station is also a redirect. Not at all a big deal! But I personally like to bypass redirects when showing off my work and figured, hey, how often do people click their promoted content from their own user page? Hey man im josh (talk) 18:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh: ooh thanks, that's a good point. As you've guessed I hadn't notified this and can barely remember what's on the user page anyway. I'm in the middle of things right now but will update it to lowercase when I get the chance. Or you can feel free if you want to do it! Cheers, and wishing you a great festive season.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Sure no problem, bypassed those redirects for you. Oh, and also, if you are interested in having redirects highlighted and italized like I am (which I recognize not everyone is), the relevant code is at my css page. I hope you have a wonderful holiday season as well! Hey man im josh (talk) 18:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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January music

story · music · places

Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw a lovely opera by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see here. Christmas was also great. How about you? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. - Did you see Masilo talking and dancing? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Gerda Arendt and a very happy new year to you! I haven't seen the Masilo thing yet, but will take a look now... I've been in the New Forest on a bit of a family break... will upload some pics later. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Today a violinist from Turkey, Ayla Erduran, whom you can watch playing Schubert chamber music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
... and today, pictured on the Main page, Tosca, in memory of her first appearance on stage OTD in 1900, and of principal author Brian Boulton. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Today, between many who just died, Tobias Kratzer on his 45th birthday who was good for an unusual DYK mentioning a Verdi opera in 2018, - you can see his work in the trailer of another one that I saw, and my talk page has a third (but by a different director). 2025 pics, finally. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: thank you! An unusual day for me today... my phone stopped working so I had to go and have it repaired while using an old Nokia brick phone... but on the plus side, had a very nice walk along the coast. Thanks for the Kratzer work and I'll take a look at the pics... will hopefully upload some soon too!  — Amakuru (talk) 20:35, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you! - Today I have a composer (trumpeter, conductor) on the main page who worked closely with another who became GA yesterday, - small world! To celebrate: mostly flowers pics from vacation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Question about Erik

Thanks for closing Talk:Erik XIV of Sweden#Requested move 18 December 2024. What did you determine as the consensus regarding Eric XII of Sweden? A minimal closing statement Moved usually implies that the move was made according to the request, or that the target is otherwise transparent from the discussion. In this case the requested target was Erik Magnusson, King of Sweden, and there was also some support for the alternative Erik XII Magnusson, but the article was moved to Erik XII of Sweden, which was not mentioned in the discussion. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 17:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Jähmefyysikko: apologies, that was an oversight on my part. I thought that the RM was only asking about switching Eric to Erik, I missed the complication over Erik XII. I've now Moved it as you proposed.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks! Jähmefyysikko (talk) 18:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Pavlova

Why do you say around 8:3 in support when there are 4 bolded opposes? I am obviously biased, but this is an RM where I feel the strength of argument on the numerically smaller side was much stronger. You note in your closing that that counterarguments were presented in opposition, arguing that Anna Pavlova was a contender for primary topic, but that is not the burden of proof of opposers. Srnec (talk) 21:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Srnec: happy new year and thanks for your note. I've corrected the 3 to 4, thanks for pointing that out. But on the substance of the close I don't think it changes much. The nomination led with the headline page view stats, which showed a significant lead for the dessert. While the opposition case seemed to rest on a set of stats with some supposition thrown in and without any conclusive demonstration that the nomination evidence was incorrect. Indeed, the first oppose !vote actually says from the wikinav stats that "half the readers want to read about the dessert, and half about other topics" which is in itself a demonstration that the dessert is on the cusp of primacy. At the end of the day there was a two-thirds majority in favour, and while we don't count votes per se, that's already a strong indicator that editors had been persuaded by the arguments in favour and that a solid if disputed consensus had formed. And while you if course disagree with this as an opposer, looking it as the closer I don't see an imbalance of strength of arguments, given my points above, to think that the opposes should be weighed higher. Regarding your last point about burden if proof, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. As in any discussion, a positive consensus is needed to effect the change, while no consensus results in retention of the status quo. Overcoming that consensus would have required either persuading people of your points or making points that were much better in terms of policy than the others, and I didn't see that. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Interwiki note

Regarding this, interwiki links are generally automatically updated after a page move. JJPMaster (she/they) 12:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@JJPMaster: ah good, thanks for the heads up. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Amakuru. Thank you for your work on Avride. Another editor, SunDawn, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thank you for writing the article! Have a blessed day!

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Request

Hello @Amakuru:! I have seen that you're an administrator who can revert page moves. Can you please revert the user Kautilya3's undiscussed move of the Muslim National Guard to the Muslim League National Guard and now Muslim League National Guards. Please revert it to the original title Muslim National Guard.

Turkey

Hello! I was definitely overboard with the IP and I won't argue for a revert but I just want to clarify that I WP:FORUM-ed said comments on 2025 Kartalkaya hotel fire because I had suspicion that the way the other user screamed Erdogan may be something resembling a COI or WP:PODIUM, not because of any disagreement. Borgenland (talk) 12:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Borgenland: and thanks for your note. I do agree with you that there could have been an element of "forum" in the comments about following what Erdogan says, but I think within that there was also a legitimate request in there saying that we should be referring to the country as "Turkiye". Like yourself, I don't agree with that request, but once it's made we should simply respond to it, not remove it entirely from the talk page. Incidentally, it seems I completely messed things up myself earlier as well, and ended up removing my own comment and others too. I've hopefully fixed that now.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:27, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
I was about to ask you about the removal, but I suddenly got busy. Borgenland (talk) 15:31, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Bhanot

Thanks for reverting that disruptive page move. - Ratnahastin (talk) 09:46, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

They have reverted to their preferred title again, and they are in fact a sockpuppet of Truthfindervert (see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Summerbreakcooldown & Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Truthfindervert) can you please consider blocking them? - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, @Amakuru:, the sock has been making disruptive edits since the last 12 hours. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 10:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
But anyway He is the one who used to playing trump card for his pseudo unsentimental approach to roughly interrogate every single article which start with same uniformity including those of Brahmin especially Jats Tested account (talk) 10:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
I usually minding my own business, but still, I got to tolerate thsi commutable backlash by this two user which stalking my article creation and giving unconventional stand-pointing summaries for just bullying an wikipedian @Amakuru the first one is also confronted by administrators but nothing could be seem so far Tested account (talk) 10:13, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
You are a sockpuppet who is pov-pushing, and using vpns to hide your location. Do not accuse anyone or pov-pushing or 'bullying" or "stalking". DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 10:28, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Why i am convincing someone who have lonely prospective to defame other user hegemony without their consent even if they Doesn't want to cope up for some redundant complex @DoctorWhoFan91 Tested account (talk) 10:36, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
You know-your words don't make sense, you are not fluent in English, I assume? Second, msg on my or your talk page, don't clog this talk page. Third, you are editing opposite to the policies of wikipedia, no one is trying to "defame" you. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 10:40, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
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