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== Which photo do you think is the best? == |
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My opinion is this: I don't like the current photo right now, Khomeini is blurry, the color correction is bad. Let's arrange a sort of opos, who likes which photo more and why. I personally like the third option: it has good colors and a look.<br> |
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File:Portrait of Ruhollah Khomeini By Mohammad Sayyad.jpg|First<br> |
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</gallery> ] (]) 18:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC) |
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*{{ping|Roman Kubanskiy}} I would go with first. The second is also good. --] <sup>]</sup> 13:26, 27 January 2022 (UTC) |
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== Merger proposal == |
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**{{ping|Roman Kubanskiy}} Your thoughts? --] <sup>]</sup> 12:19, 21 February 2022 (UTC) |
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{{Discussion top|result=The result of this discussion was to fail. ] remain.] (]) 06:47, 28 November 2018 (UTC)}} |
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*** {{ping|Mhhossein}} I described above. ] (]) 17:13, 21 February 2022 (UTC) |
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* {{re|User:BlueBlurHog}} Which one do you think should be used? Roman likes the third. --] <sup>]</sup> 05:32, 21 December 2022 (UTC) |
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{{ping|Rosguill}} plz provide reasons to merge? |
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*:Honestly, the third one is the best picture in my opinion. It’s a close up shot at his face (the most recognizable part of any human being), and the resolution is clear enough so people can tell it’s him. ] (]) 15:18, 23 December 2022 (UTC) |
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*''Comment'': ]'s article is too long and it is necessary to be shortened. In addition, ] is extremely ] and supported by RS used in the article.I believe that is not true for this.] (]) 14:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC) |
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*From the options the first one is the best, at first sight serious, but when looking closer, he seems friendly. The second one is maybe a bit too heavenly, celestial with the bright blue background. (while searching for other options I found out this one is the state portrait, and I can understand their choice). The third has a well perceivable background that seems to take some focus off Khomeini. Are those books in disorder? The sixth I'd support as a compromise, but there he turns his body away from the article, so I'd see it just an acceptable compromise in search of a better one.] (]) 09:54, 21 December 2022 (UTC) |
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::{{reply|Saff V.}} it seems like a case of overlap to me, and this article already has a fairly detailed discussion of Ruhollah Khomeini's exile–I was under the impression that merging the articles would only add a few paragraphs of length here, and would avoid creating a fork and having two separately maintained accounts of Khomeini's exile. <sub>signed, </sub>] <sup>]</sup> 17:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC) |
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:::There is no overlap or creating fork, in fact, the part of life in exile in Ruhollah Khomeini article is split into a new one, the Ruhollah Khomeini's life in exile. If you think that some material is same, (according to ]) you can move them into the ] and make that one shorter.] (]) 06:42, 28 November 2018 (UTC) |
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== New sanctions == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2023 == |
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Trump has announced new sanctions against him. --<span style="text-shadow:#FFD700 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em">] ]</span> 18:06, 25 June 2019 (UTC) |
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== Anti-communism category == |
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Please remove nationality parameter per ]. ] (]) 09:16, 25 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> From my understanding, the nationality parameter is unnecessary if the nationality can be inferred from the birthplace parameter. Here, the birthplace is listed as ], which is not exactly the same state as the current ]. I think this creates the possibility for confusion, especially with the name we're currently using for Khomeini's birth state (as opposed to Qajar Iran). ] (]) 22:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC) |
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Albeit I did add ] and ] to this category, since then I've realized that I don't really think specific people should be added to this category. Yes, they were staunchly anti-communist, but maybe something like ] could better fit? ] (]) 16:29, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:Staunch anti-communists seem to be most closely connected to the Anti-communism cat. I think the more nuanced Critics of Marxism is less relevant — a bit too scholarly and not mainstream enough. ] 18:22, 6 July 2019 (UTC) |
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== Pov issue == |
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Correction of periodical math error. Personal information in sidebar states Birthdate 1902. Death states died in 1989...(aged 89). Math suggests this should say "age 87", not 89. |
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{{Ping|Stefka Bulgaria}} include the pov issue and undue weight problem. while it was mentioned that "Revolutionary Tribunals" had been {{tq|the part of campaign to cleanse the society}} in , or in it was brought that {{tq|Khomeini retorted that they were accused but were in fact'''guilty'''}}, Abrahamian described that the aim of creation of the "Revolutionary Tribunals" was to continue implementing their version of the Shari’a, which is just pov of him and gives undue weight to article, because some sources (as I gathered) are opposite of it. ] (]) 12:04, 16 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:Sorry, I just included a quote from a reliable source and author (Ervand Abrahamian is an Iranian historian). I think the statement is perfectly valid. ] (]) 08:57, 17 October 2019 (UTC) |
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24 September 1902 |
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::{{Ping|Stefka Bulgaria}} Not only I did not say anything about the reliability of Abrahamian source, but also I am going to point to ] which demand that {{tq| Neutrality requires that each article or other page in the mainspace fairly represents all significant viewpoints (based on their weight) that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources}}. As I brought material from other sources, there are various viewpoints about "Revolutionary Tribunals" but you just mentioned Abrahamian's idea.] (]) 06:51, 20 October 2019 (UTC) |
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Khomeyn, Iran |
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:::@Saff V., if you've found material from other sources, just add them to the article. As long as they meet WP:RS, then they will be ok for inclusion. ] (]) 17:21, 20 October 2019 (UTC) |
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Died 3 June 1989 (aged '''89''') |
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Tehran, Iran ] (]) 19:07, 6 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{partly done|Partly done:}}<!-- Template:ESp --> The issue stemmed from the birth year in the infobox being incorrectly listed as 1902 - per our article "According to his birth certificate, Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini, whose first name means "spirit of Allah", was born on 17 May 1900 in Khomeyn, Markazi Province although his brother Mortaza (later known as Ayatollah Pasandideh) gives his birth date of 24 September 1902, the birth anniversary of Muhammad's daughter, Fatima." Looks like someone used the birthyear given by his brother there and everywhere else we use the birth certificate year so corrected that ] (]) 19:30, 6 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2024 == |
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{{Ping|HistoryofIran}} , I did not say anything about the reliability of the source. I did not see any relation between 16 executions for crimes related to sexual violations and Khomeini? I wonder if you could explain it.] (]) 13:40, 21 October 2019 (UTC) |
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Change citation 279 from Mackay, Iranians (198?) p.224 to Mackey, The Iranians : Persia, Islam, and the soul of a nation (1996) p.224 ] (]) 00:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:@] Ok. ] (]) 17:12, 11 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:I very well read your summary, and I never implied that you questioned the reliability of the source. They are clearly related as they have something to do with his reforms. Look, I'm not here to constantly hold your hand and explain things to you - ], I've lost count of how many times I've linked this to you. --] (]) 14:43, 21 October 2019 (UTC) |
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{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 21:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Vanamonde93}} I need your insight here, recently new section titled Homosexuality has been created in the article, but there is some material has nothing to do with the Homosexuality , for instance, {{tq|these courts executed over 100 drug addicts, prostitutes, homosexuals, rapists, and adulterers on the charge of "sowing corruption on earth}} or {{tq|In February and March of 1979, there were 16 executions for crimes related to sexual violations}}. It is the first issue with that. |
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:*Secondly, the source of these two claims {{tq|Soon after the 1979 revolution, Ayatollah Khomeini established the death penalty for homosexuality. In February and March of 1979, there were 16 executions for crimes related to sexual violations}} is this that the author referred the claim to . It is more interesting that in the footnote 31 of the , the author has used email exchanges as a source of information! Can we rely on this and include material with such an unreliable source? Thanks!] (]) 07:05, 22 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:::There is also a good source that includes a direct interview with Khomeini that we can include in this section. I will try to include it later today. ] (]) 09:21, 22 October 2019 (UTC) |
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::::There is any thing about the death penalty for homosexuality ordered by Khomeini in the interview published by . Please be more careful! In other hand the interview was recorded on 12 September 1979, how can this so close source to the event support the death penalty for homosexuality? ] (]) 09:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::The section is not only about the death penalty for homosexuality, but homosexuality as a whole under Khomeini's rule. Please stop asking me to "be more careful" for adding reliable sources to the article. ] (]) 09:52, 22 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:Saff, your POV is showing (again), please consider your words more carefully and stop causing something out of nothing, it's getting rather boring at this rate. This looks a big case of ] as well. This is what occured under Khomeiminis leadership, whether you like it or not. Last but not least, you have been told by various users in the Reliable noticeboard that the source is reliable, end off. ] (]) |
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::::::{{re|Saff V.}} History books are always written based on less reliable primary information. The reliability derives not from the original source, but from the author's responsibility to verify it, and from the publisher's repsonsibility to fact-check what they are publishing. As such, I see no reason to discount this source, ''unless'' another equally weighty source has challenged that assertion. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">] (])</span> 15:07, 22 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::{{ping|Vanamonde93}} thanks for comment but how about the source of this two claims exactly, it is the email clearly.] (]) 15:14, 22 October 2019 (UTC) |
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My opinion is this: I don't like the current photo right now, Khomeini is blurry, the color correction is bad. Let's arrange a sort of opos, who likes which photo more and why. I personally like the third option: it has good colors and a look.
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Correction of periodical math error. Personal information in sidebar states Birthdate 1902. Death states died in 1989...(aged 89). Math suggests this should say "age 87", not 89.
Change citation 279 from Mackay, Iranians (198?) p.224 to Mackey, The Iranians : Persia, Islam, and the soul of a nation (1996) p.224 Coopjenk (talk) 00:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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Not done for now: From my understanding, the nationality parameter is unnecessary if the nationality can be inferred from the birthplace parameter. Here, the birthplace is listed as Sublime State of Persia, which is not exactly the same state as the current Islamic Republic of Iran. I think this creates the possibility for confusion, especially with the name we're currently using for Khomeini's birth state (as opposed to Qajar Iran). Cannolis (talk) 22:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Partly done: The issue stemmed from the birth year in the infobox being incorrectly listed as 1902 - per our article "According to his birth certificate, Ruhollah Musavi Khomeini, whose first name means "spirit of Allah", was born on 17 May 1900 in Khomeyn, Markazi Province although his brother Mortaza (later known as Ayatollah Pasandideh) gives his birth date of 24 September 1902, the birth anniversary of Muhammad's daughter, Fatima." Looks like someone used the birthyear given by his brother there and everywhere else we use the birth certificate year so corrected that Cannolis (talk) 19:30, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Done PianoDan (talk) 21:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)