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:{{ping|Jytdog}} Sorry I thought you were a bot and that the issue was the journal formatting I used, I just saw the history and the commit messages, I'm going to read the resources on what is now accepted for medical articles, thank you! --] (]) 17:13, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

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:{{ping|Jytdog}} I think you're going a bit fast with your edit war warning... Since my message above where I noticed you were not a bot and that the journal formatting was not the sole issue, I did no other edit. Thus I don't think this edit war warning is warranted at all... I was simply not aware of the new disposition about acceptable references (and given the bibliography I am not sure they all fit this criterion). I will nevertheless apply these new recommandations. BTW I am not a bot either, a human message (instead of a copy/paste) would maybe be a more efficient way to communicate? --] (]) 17:23, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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::: Thank you for the additional resources, I'm in WP since a long time but on various languages (and topics), so I don't follow the evolution of all guidelines, even if they are years old... So a little reminder is appreciated :-) About why I thought you were a bot, first because of the automated or copy/paste message, and secondly your name (with "dog"), I think it was a reasonable assumption even though it was false, as it did not describe exactly what was the issue. Also please do not invoke a false historic context: yes I tried 1 new commit with fixed journal formatting, until I saw your commits messages, which is when I posted the reply above and did not commit anything else in the article. --] (]) 17:31, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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::::I have nothing more to say to you. The history at the article is clear as day that you kept trying to add badly sourced content. If you assume another human is a bot, that is your problem. Not mine. ] (]) 17:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
::::: Yes the history is clear, and is exactly what I describe... Yes I did add badly sourced content but not only, in particular the last edit (which directly precede this warning of yours) is up for appreciation, since it follows the guidelines. Please excuse me for not reacting ASAP to your first few reverts, since they were so fast (a matter of seconds/minutes after my edits), I was still in the process of editing the article, I did not see the notifications. I think my good faith is clearly constituted with my replies and history, and I would appreciate if you could talk with me with not so much aggressivity. I think it would be best if we stop here and continue discussing practically about the references on the article's talk page. --] (]) 20:16, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

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== Your edits on Intermittent fasting ==

Hello. It is not the obligation of a technical editor to teach you English. You can get help with your sandbox practices and --] (]) 21:15, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
: {{ping|Zefr}} For your information, you were mentioned by another user (not me): . As I said, I am not a native English writer, but honestly if you think my English is inadequate to participate, I really hope you are wrong, as this would mean that a lot of the contributors should not contribute to this WP language. I am currently rewriting my contributions, I hope this is all a misunderstanding due to the poor wording, and that the new version will satisfy everyone. --] (]) 21:28, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

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: {{ping|Diannaa}} thank you very much, I fixed it :-) Have a nice day! --] (]) 22:36, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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== September 2019 ==
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: {{ping|Zefr}} You are here abusing of this warning. There was no edit warring on this particular edit, as the reason for reverting was dubious. There was no attempt on your part to discuss it either. --] (]) 17:41, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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: {{ping|Alexbrn}} Hello, could you please clarify for what edit exactly are you issuing this edit war warning? Thank you in advance. --] (]) 21:30, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
:: You reverted twice within the space of a <del>few</del> <ins>80</ins> minutes (<ins>first,</ins> to remove the "fad" description <ins>again</ins>). Are you not aware of this? ] (]) 06:41, 1 October 2019 (UTC); amended 16:17, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Alexbrn}} Thank you for confirming that you edit war warned me for: 1. an edit I made and reverted by you several hours before your warning, which you chose to add in the same section created by Zefr (is it because you are both using the same editing software?), 2. for a disputed weakly sourced content that you already tried to push in 2017 with no source whatsoever. --] (]) 07:51, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
:::: So long as you are (now) aware of ] policy, then that is good. I suspect Zefr (like me) uses ] to issue warnings. As to your accusations of my "pushing" a category "with no source whatsoever" I see that again you are making factually incorrect statements: consulting the version of the article at the time shows that the "fad diet" category is certainly sourced. ] (]) 07:55, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|Alexbrn}} Yes, you are both using Twinkle, it's appended at the end of both of your edits. About the fad diet not being sourced, you are right, point taken, sorry. Nevertheless, it was still disputed over the history, showing there was no consensus. Anyway FYI, I have found much better sources, so I can (now) in fact improve the qualification of fad diet. --] (]) 08:32, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
:::::: {{ping|Alexbrn}} "You reverted twice within the space of a few minutes (to remove the "fad" description)" --> This is false, here are the two commits, 13h apart --] (]) 15:49, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
::::::: Yes, I was looking at the wrong diffs, sorry. The two reverts (within 80 minutes) are these. The warning was appropriate. ] (]) 16:16, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
:::::::: {{ping|Alexbrn}} Ok thank you Alexbrn for clarifying, but so you have issued me a warning for the same diffs as Zefr (who also warned for the "Mechanism" issue). Is doubling warnings for the same issue ok in the R3R rule? --] (]) 16:30, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::Anybody can issue warnings - it's really no big deal. The purpose is simply to make sure editors are aware of the relevant policy. ] (]) 16:35, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

== Confused about "fixing" Indentation ==

What do you mean by asking me to correct my indentation and then saying that you "fixed" it. ?

This may seem like a trivial thing, but I am concerned about what is starting to look like a ]. Or have I got something wrong? If so, please show me the diff where I did something wrong which needed you to fix. ] (]) 08:44, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
: {{ping|Alexbrn}} Are trying to ] here? A space before/after the OD allows to better see it's a different message. I hardly understand why you are trying to focus on such a negligible aspect of the discussion (for both me and you) where the incorrect behavior you displayed (such as insulting me) are duly referenced in the incident. I might be a proponent of ], but I am starting to regret my proposition for a peaceful resolution. --] (]) 09:07, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
:: I am concerned about this. I asked you to show me a diff why *I* did something incorrect that needed you to fix (and justified your complaint). If I made a mistake, please give me that diff. Or did you make a mistake? ] (]) 09:14, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Alexbrn}} The diff is already provided above. I ''prefer'' when code editing is made easier by proper spacing between paragraphs, particularly after a line return. I did ''not'' enforce you to do it, I applied this negligible fix. If that hurted your sensitivity, I am honestly sorry, and you can consider I did here a mistake. --] (]) 13:52, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
:::: Now I'm even more puzzled. Why say "please fix your indentation" ? And why are you adjusting the indentation of my edit in this diff anyway? ] (]) 14:00, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|Alexbrn}} Because I did ''not'' see the OD, that's why I initially indented and later found that there was an OD with simply a missing space to make it readable in code mode. --] (]) 14:05, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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Aha! So there was nothing to fix. In future if you make a mistake like this it is better to strike your erroneous comment (using the <tt>&lt;s> ... &lt;/s></tt> tag pair) than try to rescue it by morphing it into a spurious complaint. ] (]) 14:29, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
: {{ping|Alexbrn}} Always more worried about the form than the content, eh? --] (]) 15:50, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

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: {{ping|JzG}} Can you please point to what diff exactly this warning is pertaining to? --] (]) 16:53, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
:: See "Filing substantially duplicate reports is disruptive, especially when it is clearly the wrong venue". See also "] is third on the left down the hall". <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 16:59, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
::: {{ping|JzG}} Thank you for clarifying. It's not really duplicate since there are new elements (confirmation of POV-pushing, due to new edits meanwhile). For the board's choice, I thought that since there is a harassment aspect in this dispute, the incident board was more appropriate, but I may well be wrong, in that case I will accept any sanction. --] (]) 17:01, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
::: {{ping|JzG}} Please also note that's my last post anywhere about this issue. I just think harassment is unacceptable and my request should at least be read, but I won't spend my life on it and rather continue contributing. --] (]) 17:04, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
:::: The "new elements" are irrelevant to the similar elements, namely a long rigmarole heavy on ] about a content dispute that does not require administrator attention. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 17:15, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|JzG}} Blaming the victim is not that great... If you check my history, apart from the incidents posts, I NEVER assumed bad faith (for them and others co-editors!), whereas these two users did on several occasions. Anyway the case is now closed. So much for ], avoiding discussion and then issuing (duplicated) edit war warnings work better apparently than seeking discussion... --] (]) 17:26, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
:::::: Disputing your edits is not harassment and doesn't make yo a victim. Done here. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 06:45, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
::::::: Blaming me for ] when I did nothing of the sort (I gave ''proofs'', not just accusations, on ANI-board), whereas they did, is blaming the victim. I understand the ANI board was not a pertinent choice for this type or level of dispute. --] (]) 08:22, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

== WP:ANI ==

Hey man sorry you’re having a hard time at ANI. For what it’s worth, I think per the talk page rules you are free to remove warnings and other unfriendly from your page.

You don’t need ANI approval to take them off, so I would encourage you not to return there with this same dispute until after you’ve gone through the dispute resolution and given it a chance to work. Let me know if you need any help with that, by the way. I haven’t been around very long but I’ve seen a few dispute resolutions work out. ] (]) 17:55, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
: {{re|Michepman}} Thank you for the kind words. I'm honestly a bit disgusted that the warnings were not even reviewed for validity, but directly assumed to be correct because of the ratio (2 against 1). My case is however relatively minor, it won't prevent me from contributing according to ] as best I can. Thank you for the offer, I will certainly ask for a 3rd-party resolution if things go wrong again (which I hope not). Have a great day {{=)}} --] (]) 18:00, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
::I think you're still not getting it. We do not review warnings for "validity". It has nothing to do with the ratio. It's because it's a completely dumb utter waste of everyone's time to worry about whether a warning is valid. We're here to create an encyclopaedia, not worry about whether or not some dumb warning is valid. I can understand why it may annoy you to receive a warning you feel as invalid but ultimately it's a moot point. No one cares as it makes no difference to us and it should make no difference to you. (I'll make a disclaimer here for talk page watchers that if someone persistently or egregiously misuses warnings then yes we may care but that requires something very very wrong or a consistent pattern of misuse and is not something you should concern yourself with if you're still struggling with the basics.) As I said at ANI, you should take the information of the warning on board because whether or not the warning is valid, you need to know the information to edit here as you will be blocked if you violate our policies and guidelines excessively. But stop worrying about pointless things like whether or not a warning is valid. It helps no one least of all you. In fact, I presume in part because you were so worried about something that no one else cares about, you nearly got yourself blocked because you kept opening pointless threads at ANI. Amply demonstrating the harm from worrying about silly things like whether or not the warnings you received are valid. ] (]) 14:07, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
:::{{re|Nil Einne}} Thank you very much for taking the time to clarify, as indeed it didn't click. I now understand the loss of time it was, I'm honestly sorry about that. Part of my misunderstanding comes from the fact that on french Misplaced Pages, only administrators can issue such warnings, and they are followed by effects (2 or 3 leads to block). I read the doc here, but it was not very clear about this issue. So if I understand correctly, here the warnings can be issued by anyone (and look very much like admin warnings on french WP), but it's separate from ], where admins will evaluate and may or not take the users issued warnings into account. --] (]) 14:32, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

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: Point taken. Thank you for fixing. --] (]) 19:24, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

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:{{re|Markworthen}} Thank you, I feel very humbled by your reward, this motivates me to try my best to spread wiki love, thank you! :-D --] (]) 17:50, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

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{{re|Path slopu}} Thank you very much, I'll continue doing my best! Thank you for kindly enhancing my rough attempts at redirections :-D --] (]) 16:28, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

== Same Issue ==

Hi Signimu,

The same user who followed you around reverting your edits is doing the same thing to mine on ] and ] claiming that only 1 primary study should be included, instead of a literature review of dozens of studies. He followed me from the first article to the second, after ignoring an edit request I made on the first article. He constantly deletes his talk page so it is difficult to find patterns in his behavior and pinpoint problems with his overzealous deletions. I think this user should be reported, but I don't know how to gather the necessary information to make a good claim. ] (]) 19:37, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
: Dear {{re|24.217.247.41}}, it is true that some editors are more difficult to work with than others. However, we must remember the end goal is to produce more accurate articles of higher quality. Although some editors do make mistakes, escalating to a noticeboard is i think premature and unconstructive. I would suggest to try to find more/higher quality sources, and ask a third party opinion. I will check these articles when I'll have some time. Hope these issues can be resolved constructively aed peacefully, have a nice day :-) --] (]) 20:12, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

== Editing ==

Signimu: please don't leave messages on my talk page. You are not welcome there. Henceforth, I will delete any talk page message from you, and will not respond unless there is a valid discussion on an article talk page.

You said: ''I'm wondering if maybe our divergences might not be rooted in a difference in how we perceive how articles should be edited: I think (and I'm probably not the only one) that a gradual increase in quality is acceptable, eg, for an article where there is mostly animal studies, removing to replace with human primary studies is already an enhancement, or placing reviews without detailing the content (because the editor is not an expert or does not have the time to dig) is good for future editors so that they can expand. But it fell on me that maybe you could expect edits to always meet the highest quality standard, whatever the current state or quality of the article. Is my intuition correct? I am not making any judgement, I can understand this viewpoint, it's just that I did not think of it and I'm trying to better understand your editing process to better collaborate.''
:I'm glad you're trying to collaborate because your recent history indicates you have not been collaborative, but rather are creating obsessive arguments and long-winded rants on many articles and talk pages. You are obsessive in edit numbers and non-encyclopedic details. Read ] - the guide says that not everything about a topic needs to be included. Read ] for 'common pitfalls' and 'writing style', particularly "Most readers access Misplaced Pages on mobile devices and want swift access to the subject matter without undue scrolling." Your edits work against this. Most Misplaced Pages visitors read only the lede, and don't need all the details or your unsourced opinions for present or future users that you want to add, ], #6-8. You have edited well outside most of these guidelines, and when you do, other editors have to provide cleanup or reverts. --] (]) 19:02, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
:: Well, at least I tried... Too bad you seem to prefer to personalize and antagonize, as I am sure we could have worked together to great effects, instead of against :-) --] (]) 19:27, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
:: (for other users: all of this is totally unfounded, just more accusations without any diff... Hence my kind but non-naive reply to someone who prefers to close his talk page). --] (]) 02:28, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
:::Unfounded? Any Misplaced Pages editor can review your history of disruptive and misleading editing, clearly laid out above among several other editors, including your edit warring and ] over the last two years. My talk page is not closed (except to you), and Misplaced Pages preserves all history of discussions. --] (]) 04:49, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
:Laugh out loud at the "Henceforth, I will delete any talk page message from you," ], seeing as you delete your entire talk page anyway! It's only too bad wikipedia editors cannot as easily review '''your history of disruptive and misleading editing,''' given you blank your talk page after every warning, block, notice, and message, instead of archiving as is the norm. And there's even more results to wade through Call me 24 ] (]) 06:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

==Ref==
Regarding

{{cite web |title=Obesity epidemic results in NAFLD becoming most common cause of liver disease in Europe |url=https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-09-obesity-epidemic-results-nafld-common.html |website=medicalxpress.com |author=European Association for the Study of the Liver (EASL) |accessdate=5 October 2019 |language=en-us |date=26 September 2019}}

Would be better to reference something other than medicalxpress... ] (] · ] · ]) 00:07, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{re|Doc James}} Agree but actually it's written by the EASL (it's written just below the header), but I'll try to find another place where maybe they published the same thing. However it's not necessary in the worst case, the EASL own website already says most of the same thing :-) --] (]) 00:32, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
::Agree by the EASL. Best to cite there site directly... ] (] · ] · ]) 00:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
:::{{re|Doc James}} Done {{=D}} Thank you and have a nice day! {{=)}} --] (]) 00:50, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

== Apple ==

of your reckless, impulsive editing behavior and misunderstanding of what the sources say. In writng for Misplaced Pages scientific content, competence is required, ], and you appear incompetent to assess scientific sources. There was no specific study of apple or polyphenol consumption - only inconclusive associations about fruit consumption generally - and no quantitative proof in any source that polyphenols from apple survived digestion intact and had any specific physiological or general health effects. to prove any health effects of polyphenols from any food source. --] (]) 04:42, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
: It seems you consistently ]. Not only you regularly fail point 3, but you forgot to read other points, such as: «It does not mean we should label people as incompetent. Calling someone incompetent is a personal attack and is not helpful.» I can perfectly well read and understand scientific literature (contrary to some of your edits), but I am indeed no expert in these topics, as I avoid contributing to my expertise topics as stated in my userpage to reduce bias. Same for the polyphenols: 1. the literature I have provided is not solely about antioxydants effects (in fact I did not even care to read their hypothesis of the mechanism, since what they studied are the associated effects - and they are systematic review in good journals), 2. Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source, but thank you for proving me the links, I have updated ] to the latest evidence, which shows that some of the claims have some credence, the EFSA having recognized the claims for 2 specific products + new research of polyphenols benefices for metabolic syndromes. If you disagree, I would advise to first update the related articles, since most of the links are pre-2010 (research progress in 9 years you know). --] (]) 13:07, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
:Signimu is correct here. Zefr has a history of ] ("Do not cherrypick. When selecting information from a source, include contradictory and significant qualifying information from the same source."). He edit warred to keep out the second finding from a 2015 PRIMARY study that he inserted into the ] page, that found apple consumption was associated with fewer prescription medications. In fact, on the Apple page, there is a 2004 NutrJ literature review that he is also attempting to CHERRYPICK findings from re "Apple phytochemicals and their health benefits" https://doi:10.1186/1475-2891-3-5 claiming that this source says there are unknown effects of phytochemicals. ] (]) 00:45, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
::{{re|24.217.247.41}} I think I understand that Zefr has ''very high'' standards for the articles he monitors. In particular for what he considers "extraordinary claims", he requires as strong sources (but for non extraordinary claims such as "this does not have any beneficial effect", his quality standard is lower, which is logical and per ] and ]). So this might produce a superficial bias when primary studies are accepted for some claims, whereas reviews are not enough for others. I would prefer to include all these sources with an appropriate description (of their pitfalls), but Zefr prefers to delete {{wink}} In any case, I think it's better to raise the bar rather than lower it, so in these cases where we disagree, I would favor looking for much stronger sources (like for ] or ]), and if there aren't any, just let it sleep until maybe they appear someday. {{=)}} --] (]) 00:45, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

== October 2019 ==
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:{{ping|Zefr}} Instead of trying to scare me (which does not work), why don't you file an admin request if you think you can prove your baseless accusations? Contrary to you, I have never been blocked for edit warring, and I am not currently involved in multiple conflicts (I only have one with you, despite my efforts to make things better unfortunately...). You should focus on improving WP instead of pursuing other editors. --] (]) 13:12, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Zefr}} I'll kindly (although you'll probably shrug off what I write as usual) point that you here did a mistake. You are involved in a lot of conflicts currently. I would advise you to reconsider what you are doing and maybe take some distance to think about it. I am still open to collaborate with you if you honestly stop trying to make it a personal vendetta, my history shows I am reasonable and accept arguments and reasoned reverts. --] (]) 13:22, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

=="Seriously obese"==
What is this? What is the exact quote? ] (] · ] · ]) 20:26, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{re|Doc James}} I found it in one of the recommendations (I think AsiaPacific, I'll check), but I've found in Younossi2019 (added today) that it's in fact the terminology defined by the WHO, although I did not find the source yet. From what I understood, the terminology is: overweight, obesity, serious obesity, morbid obesity. I'll try to find the WHO source now. --] (]) 20:34, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{re|Doc James}} Meh, no need to go far, it's described here ], and it should be "severe obesity", not serious. Might be my mistake or a source's, but nvm I'll fix that right away, thank you for point that out! {{=D}} --] (]) 20:36, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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== Fad diets list ==

See my note on the ] Talk page about the existing ] article. ] (]) 03:06, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I raised classification of Fad diet from Start to C because of your revisions. ] (]) 08:41, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

: Thank you very much for your review and advices! {{=D}} --] (]) 16:10, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

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: For context, this warning happens after 1 revert on my part. Quite fast on the trigger {{wink}} That's after 2 weeks of trying to discuss, including a 3O and ], with this user who talks only through diff messages... --] (]) 00:09, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

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