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| ==Please stop== | |||
| As discussed on 16th August, please stop making the incorrect edits AWB suggests to pages such as ]. Yes, there is a bug in AWB whereby it suggests that you label a geographic dab page as a stub and orphan, but both these are wrong and all your edits are your responsibility. Do not make any edits, with or without AWB, unless you have checked that they are correct. ]] 05:51, 26 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :I see you were also reminded of this on 12 October by {{ping|Jmertel23}}. If it continues I will consider suggesting that your AWB use be withdrawn. But see below. ]] 07:52, 26 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::Please please stop making these incorrect edits - it's making extra work for other editors. Thank you! ] (]) 23:50, 29 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::Five more incorrect edits just now. ANI next time. ]] 17:54, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::], hold off on ANI for now. I'm running some tests on your contribs to see all of the ones you've reverted and seeing if we can finally get a solution down to skip the disambigs.-]<sup>]</sup> 19:04, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::It changed ], but that page appears to be a disambig but doesn't have any disambiguation category or wording. -]<sup>]</sup> 19:06, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::I believe I have a solution. The 5 pages you reverted were specifically in the AWB list and it skipped over those. -]<sup>]</sup> 19:07, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Well, it's been going on for a long time but OK will wait a while more. Am also trying to get some attention at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212601 . ]] 19:11, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Just read your post above: the newly-created ] is a surname page: should almost certainly be an orphan (so shouldn't be tagged as such), but isn't a dab page. ]] 19:14, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Well, perhaps this is yet another discovered bug...adding orphan tag to surname pages.-]<sup>]</sup> 19:16, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| == AWB up to date? == | |||
| I was told many months ago that AWB's inability to recognise {{tl|geodis}} as a disambiguation page template (hence its habit of suggesting Stub and Orphan tags while also changing it to "Placename disambiguation page") had been fixed in a forthcoming update to AWB. But I now see that the latest version of AWB, 6.1.0.1, was released on 16 September 2019. | |||
| Are you using the current version? | |||
| If so, then this is still an ongoing problem with AWB and I will raise it at Phabricator again (though it is still your responsibility to check all your edits and avoid doing incorrect edits just because AWB suggests them - see rule 1 at ] | |||
| If not, then please update AWB now, before using it again. | |||
| Thanks, ]] 07:39, 26 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes, I'm using the latest version. I just wrote a regex script that I've added to the skip settings that looks for "disambiguation" or "may refer to" or "refer to" as pages to skip when processing. Lets see if it works. They really need to update AWB. -]<sup>]</sup> 21:47, 26 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::Well, that didn't work. I added the "geodis" string to the regex script, lets see if that works. -]<sup>]</sup> 22:15, 26 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::Still a problem: see ]. Do you look at the edits AWB suggests? Remember AWB rule 1, please. ]] 17:36, 28 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::::The problem is AWB doesn't show the entire page, it just shows the area that needs correction. There is no wait to know that it's a disambig without looking at the entire page. I added the "geodis" as a regex skip rule, and it appears to not be working. I don't know if there is any fix for this as there is no standard text on disambig pages that could be programmed to skip. For example, some pages say "may refer to", but this one says "There are a few places named Oconto in the United States". There's nothing standard to program a skip rule with. And looking at the AWB screen dowsn't show the entire screen so I didn't even see the "geodis" manually. Perhaps this needs to be raised with AWB as it's concerning and seemingly other users are having the same issue. -]<sup>]</sup> 17:55, 28 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::::No, it's you that has an issue. You are making wrong edits because AWB suggests them. Stop and check your edits as you go: you are an editor, not an approved bot. Or, as a work-round: set up the Gadget in Preferences which colours links to disambiguation pages orange. Scan your contributions list after a run of these bot-like AWB edits, look for orange, check and revert. Do it regularly to reduce the chance of wasting the time of stub-sorters. Please. I've just fixed several more. ]] 18:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Find the orange-colouring gadget in "Preferences", "Gadgets", and then near the bottom of the list under "Appearance". Very useful way to avoid accidentally linking to dab pages in articles, and also highlights these mistakes in your bulk runs of stub-and-orphan addition. ]] 23:40, 28 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| == pinging v. whisperback == | |||
| I note what you say in your statement at the top of the page, but would much prefer you just to {{tl|ping}} me in an edit rather than using {{tl|whisperback}} on my talk page. Your way, I get a notification to tell me to go to my talk page to read your message there. Using "Ping", I get a notification that you've mentioned me on your talkpage, in one step. ]] 23:43, 28 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :Will do-]<sup>]</sup> 21:47, 29 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| == Are you looking at your edits? == | |||
| In , "off-road" was not appropriate. "Off road" was a reasonable short wording, but I've changed it to "off the road" to avoid it being "corrected" carelessly again. Please remember to look at all the edits AWB suggests, to make sure that they are right. They are your responsibility. ]] 19:23, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :It appeared correct to me at the time, and it still does. It fits the - -]<sup>]</sup> 19:25, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::You're spending just a few seconds on each edit, making multiple edits per minute. You are not paying close enough attention or you don't understand what you are doing. For example above, the definition you linked to does ''not'' match that usage. I've just corrected two other errors you made and . Please be more careful. ]|] 23:49, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
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| Despite previous warnings you still seem to be adding incorrect tags to articles. Please stop doing so. There is nothing in this article that should be linked but is not, so it should not have an {{tl|underlinked}} template. ] (]) 21:56, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :And I see that you have done the same at ]. You are responsible for all edits that you make, including those suggested by automatic tools. It seems that ] is right that you are not capable of using AWB responsibly. ] (]) 22:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::Phil, this is the first time anyone has said anything about incorrect tags outside of disambiguation pages. The only complaint I have had was about disambiguation pages which is a well-known and longstanding bug that multiple people have tried to get fixed. I wrote a skip rule in AWB to try to mitigate this and after many attempts, I think I have it. What you are talking about is a totally new issue to me. -]<sup>]</sup> 22:16, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::Sorry, but the issue of whether you should blindingly perform edits suggested by an automatic tool is not new to anyone. If you are incapable of using your own judgement about the edits that ''you'' make then you should not be using such tools. ] (]) 22:20, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Also, can you elaborate on why you think the tags should not be added to the article? AWB suggested them and they appear to be valid. Also, I found several links that could have been easily added and . It appears that per ], the articles are indeed underlinked: | |||
| ::::An article is said to be ''underlinked'' if words are not linked and are needed to aid understanding of the article. In general, links should be created for: | |||
| *Relevant connections to the subject of another article that will help readers understand the article more fully (see the example below). This can include people, events, and topics that already have an article or that clearly deserve one, so long as the link is relevant to the article in question. | |||
| *Articles with relevant information, for example: "{{xt|see ] for relevant background}}" | |||
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| -]<sup>]</sup> 22:22, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Please stick to the issue of tagging instead of personal attacks. Accusing me of being "incapable" of using a tool is borderline attacking. If your position is that the tags should not be added and you have come here to make that known, please defend that position instead of side-attacking my use of AWB. At heart here is a simple dispute of whether tags are proper or not. I would have added those tags with or without AWB and you have not cited any policy which states that they should not have been added. -]<sup>]</sup> 22:25, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::::"Government agency" and "Poland" are useless links that don't meet any of those criteria. Just stop using AWB until you understand what you are doing, or else you will be made to stop. ] (]) 22:28, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I absolutely disagree that they are useless links and it is my position that they add value to the article. Just stop making false accusations otherwise you may be made to stop.-]<sup>]</sup> 22:31, 31 October 2019 (UTC) | |||
| == AWB usage == | |||
| Please check AWB edits before saving. {{t|Orphan}} and {{t|stub}} tags should not be added to disambiguation pages. ] (]) 00:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :This should be fixed as of today. Are you seeing new edits today with this? -]<sup>]</sup> 00:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::I was patrolling ]. There were a truckload of disambig pages and few interwiki soft redirects all tagged as {{t|stub}} by you. ] (]) 00:43, 1 November 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::Ok, this is a bug that a lot of users seem to get. I added a skip rule to try to combat it but it seems a lot of pages did get marked with it. I am seeing where another user used AWB to edit a page, it was reverted, and then I came along and made the same edit to be reverted again not knowing. See .-]<sup>]</sup> 00:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Respectfully, BigDwiki, that is not a bug in the program. It is a mistake you made. The program is only ''semi''automated. You need to look at and understand each edit before you save it. Please don't think of AWB as a tool that you can fix so it doesn't make mistakes, rather see it as something that helps you make repetitive edits which you are responsible for. ]|] 01:01, 1 November 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Hi, as per above, there are still more disambiguation pages being tagged as {{t|Orphan}} and {{t|stub}}. Thanks. --] (]) 02:07, 1 November 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Where? Are they after my discussion with PamD above?-]<sup>]</sup> 02:08, 1 November 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Examples - ] and ] which are after the discussion above. To add on, apparently tags in the format of {{t|XXXdis}} are not detected as disambiguation tags and AWB went in to update and change these tags. --] (]) 02:10, 1 November 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::I just looked at your recent contributions. See . If this continues, I will request that your access to AWB be removed. This is not what I enjoy doing on Misplaced Pages. ]|] 02:13, 1 November 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::And this is not a typo or a minor edit. Did you even look at that content before you changed it? You are responsible for your edits, even when using AWB. The school name was spelled correctly as "Amiskwaciy Academy". The cited reference gives the correct spelling. "Amiskwaciy" is a Cree word. If you spoke Cree you would have known better than to change the spelling to "amiskwacity". And since you apparently don't speak Cree, and couldn't be bothered to look at the ref or spend a few seconds doing a Google search, you should not have touched it. Please go back and check your recent edits. ] (]) 02:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC) | |||
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| And this one you made less than an hour ago. A one-line stub with three refs and a further reading suggestion is '''not''' undersourced. ] (]) 02:58, 1 November 2019 (UTC) | |||
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WP:DECORATIVE non-free use in Sandy Stimpson which fails WP:NFCC#8. There's no sourced critical commentary specifically related to this particular "campaign card" or even to Stimpson's use of this kind of imagery in Sandy Stimpson#Mayor of Mobile that justifies the non-free use of this file per WP:NFC#CS.
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