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== ] reported by ] (Result: |
== ] reported by ] (Result: Page protected indef) == | ||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks| |
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|List of religious slurs}} | ||
;User being reported: {{userlinks|Krish990}} | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Xuangzadoo}} | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | '''Previous version reverted to:''' | ||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | '''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | ||
# {{diff2|1270068423|19:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (rv, none of that contradicts my edits. There are no sources which call "pajeet" a religious slur directed at Hindus. It's only a religious slur for sikhs. There are no sources which call Chuhras Christians or Hindus, they are muslims. There are no sources which mention "cow piss drinker" originating in the US, it's from South Asia. None of my edits contradict what the talk page says.)" | |||
# on 9 February 2020 | |||
# {{diff2|1270041541|16:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (The articles specifically mention "pajeet" as a religious slur directed at sikhs and/or as a racial slur directed at other south asians. There is no mention of "pajeet" being directed as a religious slur at Hindus.)" | |||
# on 2 February 2020 | |||
# {{diff2|1270039369|16:44, 17 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Hindus */ not a religious slur targeted at Hindus, removed" | |||
# on 29 January 2020 | |||
# "The two sources added for "Pajeet" specifically mention that it's directed at Sikhs or at south asians racially, not at Hindus religiously, removed. "Sanghi" does not have a separate mention for Kashmir in any of its sources, removed. Added disambiguating link to Bengali Hindus. Corrected origin of "cow-piss drinker" to the correct country of origin as mentioned in the source. Added further information for "Dothead"." | |||
# on 28 January 2020 at 18:07 (UTC) | |||
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# "Undid revision 1269326532 by Sumanuil" | ||
'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | |||
# on 28 January 2020 at 09:12 (UTC) and many more times | |||
# {{diff2|1270041824|16:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Warning: Edit warring on ]." | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> | |||
User Krish990 has been edit warring the article ] since a long time stating the supporting characters Rithvik Arora and Kaveri Priyam also as main cast while the original main cast are only Shaheer Sheikh and Rhea Sharma. Despite discussions in talk page of the series by providing reliable sources to prove that incorrect, the user still reverts back and is firm in his point without properly supported sources. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:39, 18 February 2020 (UTC)</small> | |||
:'''Result''': This was filed a long time ago, and there doesn't seem to be any extant issue, so closing as stale. — ] (]) 19:20, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: No action) == | |||
# {{diff2|1270040704|16:52, 17 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* 'Anti-Christian slurs' */ cmt" | |||
# {{diff2|1270045411|17:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Kanglu */ add" | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> | |||
;Page: {{pagelinks|Maryna_Tkachuk}} | |||
;User being reported: {{userlinks|Flchans}} | |||
All these reverts yet not a single response at the talkpage. - ] (]) 01:42, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
;Previous version reverted to: | |||
:I am replying here as I'm not sure what you want from me. | |||
;Diffs of the user's reverts: | |||
:Every edit I made is fairly accurate and doesn't contradict or vandalize any of wikipedia's rules. | |||
# {{diff|oldid=942429137|diff=942429345|label=Consecutive edits made from 16:47, 24 February 2020 (UTC) to 16:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} | |||
:] (]) 07:29, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
## {{diff2|942429286|16:47, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} "/* Awards and Commendations */" | |||
:: You are still edit warring without posting at the talkpage. - ] (]) 16:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
## {{diff2|942429345|16:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} "/* Professional activities */" | |||
:: More reverts , can someone do something? - ] (]) 01:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
# {{diff2|942428833|16:44, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 942428411 by ] (]) Dear JLAN, I am tired of mentioning that I am NOT a paid editor. I am still expecting proof of your false assumptions." | |||
::: {{AN3|p}} I also note the user has been alerted to CTOPS, which I protected the page under, so there will be no room for argument if this behavior continues. ] (]) 23:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: No violation) == | |||
;Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning: | |||
# {{diff2|942424673|16:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} "Caution: Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material on ]. (])" | |||
# {{diff2|942427324|16:32, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} "Warning: Addition of unsourced or improperly cited material on ]. (])" | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Battle of Jamrud}} | |||
;Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: | |||
# {{diff2|942419386|15:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} "/* removing unsourced info on BLP page */ new section" | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Noorullah21}} | |||
;<u>Comments:</u> | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
User keeps adding back unsourced (or at the very least lacking inline cites) information on a BLP. User has been warned a couple times on their talk page. They have now removed those warnings from their talk page. User has also posted borderline attack comments on my talk page. User is just in general a loose cannon. ] (]) 16:53, 24 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
Alright, I'll try to keep this concise. There's been a conflict/misunderstanding around this article involving Wikipedians such as ], ], ] and ]. Original article about Dr. Tkachuk has been in place on Ukrainian Misplaced Pages for over a year - ] ; I used that, as well as the openly available information at the university website to create a similarly fashioned article here on English Misplaced Pages. Please mind the Ukrainian article has never had any issues with notability, validity of information or otherwise. It was very amusing to find out people from India and Texas know much more on the subject than them. Since this is already turning into more text than it should, I'll just point out the chain of events: | |||
# {{diff2|1270170387|07:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Restored revision 1270112351 by ] (]): No it hasn't, they haven't even given their conclusion, and you again edited the page to revert it.." | |||
# {{diff2|1270112351|00:05, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Restored revision 1270108346 by ] (]): No he doesn't, please take this to the talk page now to be more clear." | |||
# {{diff2|1270108346|23:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Restored revision 1270099439 by Noorullah21: "where they too were saved by the arrival of substantial reinforcements. | |||
Akbar Khan broke off the engagement and returned to Jalalabad, leaving | |||
the Sikhs in control of Jamrud, but when he returned to Kabul he claimed | |||
the victory and was given a hero’s welcome. For decades after, this pyrrhic | |||
victory was celebrated annually in the Afghan capital.39" -Lee, (calls it a phyrric Afghan victory), and Hussain isn't on google scholars." | |||
'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | |||
1) I present the draft, which, after some tweaks, is approved by Sulfuboy. The article is created. | |||
# {{diff2|1270110872|23:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* January 2025 */ new section" | |||
2) ArnabSaha flags is for G12 speedy deletion because of assumed/suspected copyright infringement of NaUKMA website materials. JLAN deletes the article and flags the Commons photograph for deletion as well. | |||
# {{diff2|1270113286|00:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Warning: Removal of content, blanking on ]." | |||
3) Following the necessary declarations, both the photo and the materials are verified, and the article is undeleted. | |||
# {{diff2|1270205537|12:01, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Final warning: Removal of content, blanking on ]." | |||
4) I start working on it in order to improve it, add citations and the like. | |||
5) I face the article being vandalised by Sulfurboy, the information outright deleted, although being perfectly cited etc. | |||
'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | |||
Throughout this experience I faced lots of frustration with how English Misplaced Pages operates already. There were unbacked claims that the person isn't notable, unbacked claims that I am paid for writing this article. I am tired of all this and of how bureaucratic your enviroinment is. My aim is improving Misplaced Pages and making Ukrainian educational and scientific enviroinment better known to outside world. I am not a hired editor or paid employee, I just want people to leave me alone and let me make a decent article. I am open to criticism and advice, but when in a couple of hours someone deletes it based on a wild assumption - that's not advice, that's spit in the face. | |||
# {{diff2|1269985195|10:35, 17 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Aftermath section */ new section" | |||
# {{diff2|1270115828|00:28, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Aftermath section */ Reply" | |||
# {{diff2|1270117437|00:37, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Aftermath section */ Reply" | |||
# {{diff2|1270123153|01:15, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Aftermath section */ Reply" | |||
# {{diff2|1270124950|01:27, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Aftermath section */ Reply" | |||
# {{diff2|1270128846|01:53, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Aftermath section */ Reply" | |||
# {{diff2|1270130305|02:01, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Aftermath section */ Reply" | |||
# {{diff2|1270131478|02:08, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Aftermath section */ Reply" | |||
# {{diff2|1270133699|02:23, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Aftermath section */ Reply" | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> | |||
So, at this point, because I'm tired of all this story and furthermore just to prove the point I am not paid for this or anything - you can go ahead and delete the article alltogether, forever. Shame that English Misplaced Pages is not an accumulation of humanity's knowledge where people are equal and can work together, but instead is merely a bunch of bureaucrats feeding their egos. Peace. ] (]) 17:25, 24 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:I've requested G7 on the page as the author has requested deletion and they look to be the only one that has made any significant contribution to the page.] (]) 17:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
Dear ], there is a world of difference between "You can go ahead and delete" and "You should delete" or "Please delete". BUT, I honestly have nothing against you viewing my words as such and placing your G7 or whatever you call it. By all means. Would be a great victory for Wikipedian bureaucracy. Best. ] (]) 17:58, 24 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
*Hello ]. The creator of the article, Flchans, placed a {{tl|db-author}} tag on the article but the tag was removed by ] in the belief that the subject is notable. After reading the discussion above, are you OK with closing this AN3 complaint with no further action? ] (]) 01:41, 25 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
*{{u|EdJohnston}}, Yep should be fine, editor has seemed to calm down so we should be good. ] (]) 03:29, 25 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:*'''Result:''' Closing with no action per agreement of the submitter, and per the discussion above. ] (]) 03:32, 25 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
This is not the first time they are edit warring and breaking 3RR, they were previously warned by an admin . There seems to be a habit of them continuously misinterpreting the sources and pushing certain PoVs. They have opted for 3O by themselves but disagreed with the opinion given. ] 12:22, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Page protected) == | |||
:Im not that involved(haven’t reverted anybody, just made a comment on the talk page). As a word of advice because so many people seem to forget this fact, when your adding disputed content, ONUS is on you to attain consensus. Which hasn’t happened here. | |||
;Page: {{pagelinks|David Eddings}} | |||
:“The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.” | |||
;User being reported: {{userlinks|Gleamian2}} | |||
;Previous version reverted to: | |||
:It seems that you yourself were also edit warring, except your the one who’s adding disputed content so per ONUS, you were never supposed to revert him to begin with. You need to wait until talk page discussions conclude and gain consensus. ] (]) 15:13, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
;Diffs of the user's reverts: | |||
::A. The instance you pointed out was an administrator warning me for one revert on the History of India page. (Talking to Indo-Greek, the person who reported and I had a dispute with here..) | |||
# {{diff2|942491570|00:27, 25 February 2020 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 942482169 by ] (])" | |||
::B. When the individual hasn't concluded their ], you immediately reverted the page again saying they did. There's still a very open discussion with the user... (They've even edited the page most recently!.. I'd also like to remind you ] is non binding even when the opinion is given, meaning whether they say either or is in the right.. the dispute can still continue until a ] can be made. The burden of proof is on you for ] (you also kept readding a non ] source.. (Farrukh Hussain). I pointed out ] as a solution, and you keep reverting the page far before they've given their opinion. Lee... (this is now bringing the argument from the talk page here..) calls it a phyrric victory. ] (]) 16:02, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
# {{diff2|942476652|22:27, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 942476520 by ] (])" | |||
:::I also told said where per ], it's per them to seek Consensus. ] (]) 16:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
# {{diff2|942472012|21:54, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} "Sources aren't reliable. There are numerous of people with the names of " David Carroll" and "Judith Leigh/Lee" and there are numerous people with the last name of "Eddings" that reside in USA. Unless there is actual court/police evidence of D. Eddings and J. Eddings committing crimes, this article will be continuously updated to edit/remove misplaced/misunderstood statements/documents concerning the Author David Eddings." | |||
::::I reverted my edit as of now per the edit summary. (the last edit prior to that is the person working on our ]. ] (]) 16:34, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
# {{diff2|942467941|21:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} "Sources aren't reliable. There are numerous of people with the names of " David Carroll" and "Judith Leigh/Lee" and there are numerous people with the last name of "Eddings" that reside in USA. Unless there is actual court/police evidence of D. Eddings and J. Eddings committing crimes, this article will be continuously updated to edit/remove misplaced/misunderstood statements/documents concerning the Author David Eddings." | |||
:::This seems like ], but anyways. The admin had warned you for the same edit warring issue, not 1RR. You had asked for 3O which an editor eventually gave one quoting: {{tq|I found a huge contradiction in your quote. You said "Nothing here calls the battle a Sikh victory," but the quote literally says "The Sikhs had beaten the Afghans"}} which was later discarded by you which is fine, but if other editors accusing you for overlooking the source and found you contradicting yourself then you should have been more cautious rather than outrightly reverting my changes. ] 16:56, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
# {{diff2|942419456|15:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} "Undid revision 941577388 by ] (])" | |||
::::Have you not read the rest of the discussion..? the ] is being discussed. | |||
::::You've completely ignored this. | |||
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::::Scroll down! (on the talk page). ] (]) 17:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::I also didn't violate the 3 revert rule. I didn't revert 4 times, I reverted 3 times. Although of course, this seems to be more inclined toward edit warring, which both of us did. | |||
:::::@] has just jumped into the discussion (and they seem to be more in favor of my argument) -- per their most recent talk page msg on the battle of jamrud, which shows a growing consensus on my side? .. Nonetheless, I still find this report baseless. ] (]) 17:35, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::'''Both of us did''' No, I barely reverted your changes two times. You need to go through ], don't confuse it with ]. I also think that Someguywhosbored didn't jump here randomly and what consensus you're referring to? The report is not baseless besides it shows some sign of ]. ] 19:39, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::::What? | |||
:::::::"No, I barely reverted your changes two times. You need to go through WP:3RR" -- Yes, I'm talking about myself.. I reverted 3 times, to break the 3rr rule, you have to revert more than three times (i.e 4 times) "An editor must not perform '''more than three reverts''' on a single page" -- I also self reverted per the former. | |||
:::::::"Someguywhosbored didn't jump here randomly and what consensus you're referring to?" -- He responded on the talk page (of the page), he responded here, and he also re-reverted the page. | |||
:::::::'''"The report is not baseless besides it shows some sign of WP:MEAT."''' - Are you insinuating @] is a Meatpuppet? Because you've drawn effectively numerous flanks into the air on what this report is really about. | |||
:::::::A. In your edit summary you said the Third opinion was concluded.. (it wasn't.) | |||
:::::::B. You report here for 3rr (when 3rr wasn't violated, and I'm assuming this is more inclined toward edit war..?) | |||
:::::::C. You then throw around Meatpuppet accusations? | |||
:::::::I'm sorry but there's no way this discussion is remaining civil anymore. Did you even read the Meatpuppet page? '''"The term meatpuppet may be seen by some as derogatory and should be used with care, in keeping with Misplaced Pages:Civility. Because of the processes above, it may be counterproductive to directly accuse someone of being a "meatpuppet", and doing so will often only inflame the dispute."''' | |||
:::::::Flinging around accusations of Meatpuppetry clearly breaches ]. ] (]) 20:05, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::::You also did revert it three times.. Shown here: | |||
:::::::: (First time) | |||
:::::::: (Second time) | |||
:::::::: (Third Time) ] (]) 20:42, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::You are again falsely accusing me of breaking 3RR. You do realise that the first revert was more than 24 hours prior than the other two? I don't have much to say here it's quite self explanatory, while this is not the same case with you, where 3RR has been violated in the span of 24 hours. ] 21:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::I'm not accusing you of breaking 3RR, I'm saying you reverted three times. To break 3RR it has to be four reverts. (you have to revert more than three times). Your reverts were also in a 24 hour period. (Or just shy of it?) | |||
::::::::::I didn't revert four times to break 3RR. Where are the diffs of me reverting you four times? ] (]) 21:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
{{outdent|10}}{{AN3|noex}} As noted in the ''loooong'' discussion above, which again proves that using the talk page is a much preferable alternative to taking it over here. Also, this is getting a bit stale. ] (]) 12:33, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Declined) == | |||
;Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning: | |||
# {{diff2|942476435|22:25, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} "Warning: Edit warring. (])" | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Next Danish general election }} <br /> | |||
;Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Thomediter}} | |||
# {{diff2|942478186|22:38, 24 February 2020 (UTC)}} "/* Why is everyone so content on David Eddings being a child abuser? */" | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
;<u>Comments:</u> | |||
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Editor was and that one more revert would result in them being reported for breaching 3RR. They made the fourth revert immediately after responding to the warning. | |||
Note, my own last revert was only made after it seemed that Gleamian2 had decided to abandon his objection: "Whatever. I'm out. See ya.", and I wouldn't have otherwise. Also note he had removed old discussion from the article's talk page that was also about this same subject. Appears unwilling to discuss rationally, and only interested in whitewashing the article. –] (] • ]) 01:04, 25 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
* {{AN3|p}} All of you, including {{ping|Millahnna}} consider yourself warned. {{ping|Gleamian2}} <s>{{ping|Millahnna}}</s><small>user didn't violate, but came close to</small>, you both violated ] and can be blocked. <s>Deacon, you didn't even try and join the discussion on the talkpage</s>, but decided to avoid 3RR and just edit war. None of this is appropriate. Either contribute like civil editors, or if it continues, i'll be issuing blocks after the protection ends. -- ] <small>]</small> 07:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:Noted and thank you for the ping. For the record, and I absolutely should have been more clear about this on talk or in the edit summary, my last revert on that page was attempting to give a clean edit for reversion if it was decided to remove the content in question (the removals were also removing a ref we needed for other content on the page and a sentence that should be easy enough to source. I didn't want the material we actually needed to get lost in a blind deletion. But again, I absolutely should have said something about that being my intent. ] (]) 07:53, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
'''Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:''' | |||
:OK wait a second. I just looked at my edit history on that page and I'm now confused as to how I 3rrd. I first reverted the edit in its entirety because it broke something in the ref list and said such . Glemian did not respond to my concernes about breaking the code and reverted. After the content was removed again, I left the removal in place but edited to restore the reference that had been removed but is used elsewhere in the article . My final edit was the one I detailed above (and I have now dropped a note on the talk page to be more specific about my intent there) but for consistency. I have 3 edits on the page and they aren't even flat reverts of Gleamian's ideas, save the first. THe other two are both attempts to rescue a reference that was needed. ] (]) 08:18, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:Also, Deacon is in the talk page discussion. They absolutely participated. Has yet to specifically answer the questions. I'm concerned by this ANI; the facts don't seem to match the interpretations. ] (]) 08:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::{{ping|Millahnna}} You are correct about the talkpage part, I missed that. That said, your correct you didn't BREAK 3RR, but you were on the very edge of breaking it. It required 4 reverts, and I must of missed that. Even then though it still doesn't justify this. Any revert, regardless of it being the same content or not, counts as 3RR. ], ], ]. These three reverts count towards your 3RR. Had you reverted again you would have broke it. -- ] <small>]</small> 18:50, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:Well shoot. I only did anything because of the broken ref in that first removal. I'm not sure what I could have done different to make sure the ref got retained then. I tried keeping it both with and without the contested material but since that's being viewed as part of the content dispute, I guess I should have left it broken. I'm really confuddled by this. ] (]) 19:26, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Blocked 48 hours, reversed) == | |||
*], I am going to revert your last (fourth) revert; you are indeed edit warring and you're not giving any reasons for your edits, never mind for your ongoing reverts. If you revert one more time you will be blocked. Please don't let it get that far. Seek the talk page. ] (]) 17:40, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::{{AN3|d}} per above and reported editor's inactivity. ] (]) 22:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: 48 hours) == | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|User talk:Debresser}} <br /> | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Debresser}} | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Conor Benn}} <br /> | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|GiggaHigga127}} | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' – only welterweight in the infobox | |||
Earlier today on the talk page of another editor, then quickly thought better of it and . There were no intervening edits between the two and I withdrew it to not become involved and to avoid the drama. Since then Debresser has | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
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# | # – re-adding light middleweight and middleweight | ||
# | # – same | ||
# | # – same | ||
# – same | |||
# – same, now with PA | |||
'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | |||
'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' ] | |||
'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' (not on the talk page, as I have no wish to discuss anything with someone so abrasive. | |||
'''Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:''' | |||
'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' it's on a talk page, and an aggressive battlefield approach is the last thing I want to discuss with. | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> | <u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> | ||
User:GiggaHigga127 insists on adding the ] and ] divisions to Conor Benn's infobox. Our style guide at WikiProject Boxing, ], says to only include weight classes in which a boxer has ''notably'' competed, that being usually for regional/minor/world titles. In Benn's case, that division was ] for almost the entirety of his career, and he did indeed hold a regional title in that division. In 2023 he was given a lengthy ban from the sport, from which he recently returned in a pair of throwaway fights within the light middleweight limit, against non-notable opposition and with no titles at stake. Per the style guide, those throwaway fights are not important enough to warrant the inclusion of light middleweight in the infobox, at least until he begins competing there regularly. | |||
As far as middleweight goes, Benn has ''never competed anywhere close to that weight class''. He has a fight 'scheduled' to take place at middleweight, but until the bell rings to officially commence proceedings, ] and ] should apply, and again it should not be listed in the infobox until then. This same fight was 'scheduled' in 2023, only to be cancelled after Benn failed a drug test—something which happens in boxing all the time. In fact, at the Project we had ] regarding upcoming fights in record tables, so the same should apply in this instance. ] would also be a cop-out, because the whole point of MOS:BOXING was to ensure consistency across boxing articles. ] (]) 18:50, 18 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
I don't want the comment there, and I don't want to get involved with the battlefield idiocy displayed. It speaks volumes of that individual that a request not to re-add a deleted comment was ignored. - ] (]) 23:34, 25 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:It continues: , this time with me being called a "melt". I can't imagine what that is, but all the better if it's an insult for obvious reasons. Also, no responses at user talk page. ] (]) 00:06, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*{{AN3|b|48 hours}} ] (]) 23:37, 25 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::Predictably, now it's onto block evasion: . NOTHERE. ] (]) 15:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Am I seeing this right? We blocked someone for editing there own user page?--<span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">]</span> <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 23:48, 25 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::Based on , it could be ] as well. ] (]) 21:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::{{u|Moxy}} The blocked user edit warred to keep in place a comment that its author withdrew before it was replied to. ] (]) 23:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::Neither nor. I stand by the revision, but that's where any commonality ends. --] (]) 22:53, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::{{u|331dot}}, how many times did the OP do the same? This block is not a good block. You don't go to someone's user talk page and then keep reverting. You blocked Debresser but not the OP, why? ] <sup>]</sup> 00:01, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
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:::::Of course you stand by the revision. You show up less than 12 hours after Gigga gets blocked, and perform the exact same revert. Dodgy. ] (]) 19:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
:::::{{u|331dot}}, I didn't say any of that. ] <sup>]</sup> 00:07, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::OK this looks very odd.....the user was restoring a post so they could reply to it but it was removed over and over again by original poster? Why cant the user reply to the post....what gives the poster the right to comment but not have to deal with a reply?.You can see how this looks backwards right. Odd an edit war on a user page ends up with the page owner being blocked.--<span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">]</span> <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 23:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::Yeah kind of odd. I count at least 5 reverts by SchroCat. ] (]) 00:00, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::Most of which I will note have replies to them. ] (]) 00:02, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::Yes, it's a grey area between the right to withdraw comments and the desire of some users to keep all material that's been on their own user talk page. I'm not sure if there's a policy governing that. But to block one edit warrior and not the other, when both broke the 3RR, looks a bit like taking sides in the dispute. — ] (]) 00:03, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::I am not taking a side. I am respecting the desire to attempt to deescalate a situation. ] (]) 00:05, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::Generally reverting on your own page is exempt per ] point 2. Closest I could find to a policy on this. ] (]) 00:07, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::But reverting to keep a comment withdrawn by its author on the page to carry on a dispute is okay? I'm genuinely asking. ] (]) 00:12, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::At this point once it was reverted and replied to I would say yes. The over 4 reverts from SchroCat become less de-escalation and more just rubbing it in. ] (]) 00:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::::{{u|PackMecEng}}, right, OP could have brought this to EW a few edits ago, but to only block one person is wrong when the OP violated 3RR on someone else's talk page. ] <sup>]</sup> 00:17, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::::(ec) So once a user posts something to another's user talk page, if that user removes it, the page's owner can restore it and reply to it against the poster's wishes? ] (]) 00:18, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::From what I see, technically yes. Is there a policy that goes against the 3RR exemption? Because from what I see Debresser gets the exemption and SchoCat does not. Perhaps they should be more careful what they post on other peoples talk page and then not edit war with them about it? That could probably go for both people honestly. ] (]) 00:20, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::So SchoCat gets penalized for attempting to deescalate a situation because he made the error of posting something he would like to take back on to someone else's user talk page? Talk about a way to discourage communication between editors on their user talk pages. ] (]) 00:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
{{od|::::::::::}} After the first or second revert I would agree with you, they are trying to deescalate. After the fifth and it was replied too? Hard to say with a straight face they were trying to deescalate isn't it? ] (]) 00:25, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:I would disagree as I don't feel the persistence of the person desiring to carry on a dispute should be rewarded. ] (]) 00:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
*As this is proving to be controversial, I have reversed my action pending further discussion. ] (]) 00:26, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:No way should an editor be able to go to a user page..... insult them or make any comment then remove it and subsequently get the user blocked for wishing to reply. Baiting and Block is not a precedent we should set--<span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">]</span> <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 00:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::What evidence do you have of deliberate baiting on the part of SchoCat? ] (]) 00:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::It's a precedent in behavior.....just imagine I go to your talk page insult you then remove it knowing there's going to be an edit war... because you (as most would) want to reply and because of that the user will be blocked. This is not what we want to see happen....in my view the OP should be blocked for messing about in another user space.--<span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">]</span> <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 00:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::It's clear to me this is much more complicated than it initially seemed to be to me, I'm going to hit the sack soon for the night and re look at this tomorrow; I apologize to all for causing difficulty. ] (]) 00:43, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::If other reviewers wish to do something here, they may without waiting for me. ] (]) 00:44, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::::I would suggest a ] to both users for escalating the dispute into a five-way revert war, rather than taking it to a forum such as this one ealier. But there's no need for blocks over this. On balance, per Moxy's comments above, I'd also suggest that the user talk page comment by the OP and the reply should be restored to the user talk page if that's what Debresser really wants. Withdrawn or not, they obviously saw the comment and wished to reply to it, on what is their own talk page. — ] (]) 00:55, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::Agree no need for Block in this case. Both users have the same history and one more block probably won't make a difference here.--<span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">]</span> <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 01:09, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::Also, kudos to {{u|331dot}} for withdrawing their earlier block. I think that was the right decision. — ] (]) 01:13, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::Yes {{u|331dot}} decision shows a willingness to see other people's point of view and great maturity in an administrator that is lacking in many talks.--<span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">]</span> <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 01:21, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::Debresser didn't just re-add SchroCat's comment. What Debresser did was It is understandable that a person would want to reply if they were called {{tq|"arrogant"}}. ] (]) 05:10, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::::I'll for you again, {{u|Bus stop}}, and maybe you could take the time to read it more carefully. What SchroCat did was to call the ''actions'' of Debresser "arrogant". Still, never let a little thing like '''the truth''' get in the way of a bit of axe grinding. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 07:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Blocked 24h) == | |||
:::::::::::::::"The truth" encompasses the whole post, {{u|Cassianto}}, which reads: {{tq|"You call someone insolent for presuming you were shouting because you made an error in keeping your Capslock on, but you throw accusations of incompetence because someone erred in something they did? Can you see how that looks staggering arrogant, Debresser?"}} It was responded to. Simultaneously it was restored. ] (]) 11:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Probability and statistics}} | |||
*I think the only thing I have to add is that it would be good if we all(including me) moved on from this and I think this will serve as a good reminder to us all to consider our edits carefully before making them. ] (]) 08:22, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Logoshimpo}} | |||
* It is a good thing I was unblocked, because I think I should have the right to say something ''before'' being blocked. I am familiar with the idea that a user should be able to remove a comment he regrets having made, as long as no other edit has resulted from it. Frankly speaking, I don't much agree with that rule, even if the reason is to deescalate a conflict, because the ''real way to deescalate a conflict'' is to think ''before posting''. In any case, I can respect it on other talkpages. Not so however on my own user talkpage. I think it is my right to restore something that was posted ''on my talkpage''. After all, I received a notification of it, so one can't say nothing happened. | |||
: What I probably should have done right away, and have done in the mean time, is restore is with <code><nowiki><s>...</s></nowiki></code> code, that is, as something that was strikken. I hope that compromise will satisfy all involved. | |||
: On a sidenote, I strongly reject the WP:BATTLEFIELD accusation, and regret that editors start WP:WIKILAWYERING as soon as something happens they don't like. | |||
: Also on a sidenote, I don't see the mandatory warning regarding this discussion on my talkpage. | |||
: And on a further sidenote, I agree with the editors above commending ] for undoing his block when he saw that it was disputed. ] (]) 15:07, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: AWB revoked, warned) == | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
;Page: {{pagelinks|Dan Lam}} | |||
;User being reported: {{userlinks|MB}} | |||
Slow-motion edit-warring: original bold edit was , subsequent reversions are , , . | |||
;Previous version reverted to: | |||
'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | |||
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# {{diff2|942653220|00:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)}} "clean up, added ] tag" | |||
# {{diff2|942590176|16:32, 25 February 2020 (UTC)}} "clean up, added ] tag" | |||
# {{diff2|942582246|15:32, 25 February 2020 (UTC)}} "Reverted to revision 942576311 by ] (]): Per user talk page reasons (])" | |||
# {{diff2|942576311|14:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)}} "Reverted to revision 942514093 by ] (]): Per ] (])" | |||
'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | |||
# {{diff2| |
# {{diff2|1270081668|20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* WP:SELFREF */ Reply" | ||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> | |||
;Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: | |||
The last revert follows talk-page discussion in which two users (including me) have rejected their arguments and no one has agreed with them. Here was their addition to the talk-page before their most recent revert: . ] (]) 17:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
# {{diff2|942609415|18:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)}} "/* Infobox image */" | |||
:{{AN3|b|24 hours}} ] (]) 22:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Blocked 36 hours, reporter blocked 24, and page protected for a week) == | |||
;<u>Comments:</u> | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Nachos}} | |||
I warned both parties making edits to ] about the three revert rule. I even attempted to mediate the conflict over the infobox image on the pages talk page. Yet, user ] has persisted with yet another revert. I don't like reporting an experienced editor as he seems to be, but I'm afraid if his actions on the page continue to go unchecked it will further discourage the original page creator ] who is a new editor to Misplaced Pages from continuing to contribute. ] (]) 03:21, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Rauzoi}} | |||
:{{u|Sulfurboy}}, I don't follow this. The issue on the infobox image was resolved after you rendered your opinion that the image did not belong in the infobox. I have made some other unrelated changes to the article after that. I restored the orphan tag and explained on the other user's talk page that the article was still an orphan, contrary to their belief, and explained to them how to check that. ] 03:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::As you should be aware MB, there is no valid excuse to edit war, especially with AWB, the restoration of {{tl|orphan}}. Hell, there is a tool linked directly in the box that shows . Continue to revert, and a block will be issued. For now, your AWB access is revoked. -- ] <small>]</small> 07:20, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: no violation) == | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Olivier Dubuquoy}} <br /> | |||
# {{diff2|1270462611|17:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "original version https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nachos&diff=prev&oldid=1187016754 vandalized by Crasias" | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Johan764538}} | |||
# {{diff|oldid=1270457231|diff=1270459938|label=Consecutive edits made from 17:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC) to 17:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} | |||
## {{diff2|1270459303|17:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (])" | |||
## {{diff2|1270459938|17:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "" | |||
# {{diff2|1270456533|16:42, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "original version https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nachos&diff=prev&oldid=1187016754" | |||
# {{diff|oldid=1270368949|diff=1270375910|label=Consecutive edits made from 06:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC) to 06:43, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} | |||
## {{diff2|1270375677|06:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "original version https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nachos&diff=prev&oldid=1187016754" | |||
## {{diff2|1270375910|06:43, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "" | |||
# {{diff|oldid=1270037609|diff=1270355298|label=Consecutive edits made from 04:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC) to 04:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} | |||
## {{diff2|1270354944|04:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "" | |||
## {{diff2|1270355115|04:01, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "" | |||
## {{diff2|1270355298|04:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Variations */" | |||
'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
# {{diff2|1270460344|17:06, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "" | |||
'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> | |||
Frequently removing and replacing sourced content that identifies Nachos as "Tex-Mex" rather than "Mexican" ] (]) 17:32, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:{{AN3|bb}} Rauzoi for 36 hours and Crasias for 24 (one less revert over the limit). ] does not cover this. Furthermore ... | |||
:{{AN3|p}} Extended-confirmed for a week since, as both editors are autoconfirmed only, they will not be able to resume hostilities once the blocks expire. The talk page hasn't been used in months. ] (]) 23:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Blocked one week) == | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Sex differences in intelligence}} <br /> | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|BoneCrushingDog}} | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | '''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | ||
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'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | '''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | ||
'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | '''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | ||
'''Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:''' | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> | |||
] is removing sourced material, is skirting the line of ownership with ]<sub>]]</sub> 14:35, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> Note that these edits fall squarely under ], and the last (6th) revert was done ''after'' they were . ] (]) 23:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)<br /> | |||
{{an3|nv}} I see three reverts above, but the fourth link represents a new addition of material to the article, so is not a fourth reversion. After which editing appeared to stop. Both parties need to calm down and discuss the issue rationally at the talk page, rather than engaging in further edit warring. — ] (]) 23:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
*{{AN3|b|one week}}. ] (]) 00:33, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: ) == | == ] reported by ] (Result: Page already semi-protected) == | ||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks| |
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Exclusive economic zone}} | ||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Andrew Lancaster}} | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|177.84.58.25}} | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | '''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | ||
# {{diff|oldid=1270539434|diff=1270541014|label=Consecutive edits made from 01:13, 20 January 2025 (UTC) to 01:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} | |||
# Revert 1 | |||
## {{diff2|1270540192|01:13, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Eu não sou essa pessoa que você está a citar eu comecei a alterar essa página essa e a minhas primeiras vezes , eu estou alteração está página porque eu gosto de ver a área da ZEE de cada país um abaixo do outro ." | |||
::*Krakkos adds that ] are "frequently" referred to as Germani. (17:04, 24.02.20) | |||
## {{diff2|1270540659|01:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "I started changing this page today I'm just making changes to this page because I like to see the Zee area of each country in the world, please don't make changes" | |||
::*Andrew Lancaster switches "frequently" to "sometimes". ('''20:28, 25.02.2020''') | |||
## {{diff2|1270541014|01:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "I started changing this page today I'm just making changes to this page because I like to see the Zee area of each country in the world, please don't make changes" | |||
# Revert 2 | |||
# {{diff2|1270537566|00:56, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Eu não vou mais fazer alteração se deixar o Rankings by area porque eu gosto de Rankings by area" | |||
::*Krakkos adds a source from ].(08:39, 26.02.20) | |||
# {{diff2|1270536155|00:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "ZEE com alteração perfeita" | |||
::*Andrew Lancaster changes the date of the source added by Krakkos. ('''09:34, 26.02.20''') | |||
# {{diff2|1270532750|00:21, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Alterei o tamanho da zona exclusiva econômica do brasil porque a ZEE aumentou em 2024" | |||
# Revert 3 | |||
# {{diff2|1270527449|23:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Antes essa página sofreu alteração incorreta, com eu fiz uma alteração mais correta ." | |||
::*Krakkos rewrites the lead through the use of quality sources. (17:45, 24.02.20) | |||
::*Andrew Lancaster rewrites content Krakkos added to the lead. ('''11:12, 26.02.20''') | |||
# Revert 4 | |||
::*Krakkos corrects the date of a source from Peter Heather. (09:56, 26.02.20) | |||
::*Andrew Lancaster reverts Krakkos. ('''11:16, 26.02.20)''' | |||
# Revert 5 | |||
::*Krakkos adds a ] template. (15:50, 26.02.20) | |||
::*Andrew Lancaster removes the citation needed template added by Krakkos. ('''18:25, 26.02.20''') | |||
# Revert 6 | |||
::*Krakkos adds quotations. (18:20, 26.02.20) | |||
::*Andrew Lancaster removes the quotations added by Krakkos. ('''19:02, 26.02.20''') | |||
# Revert 7 | |||
::*Krakkos adds the source ''The Fall of the Roman Empire'' by Peter Heather (17:04, 24.02.20) | |||
::*Andrew Lancaster switches the date of publication of ''The Fall of the Roman Empire'' by Peter Heather. ('''20:09, 26.02.20''') | |||
# Revert 8 | |||
::*Krakkos adds a source from page 467 of ''The Fall of the Roman Empire'' by Peter Heather. (17:04, 24.02.20) | |||
::*Andrew Lancaster removes the source from page 467 of ''The Fall of the Roman Empire'' by Peter Heather added by Krakkos. ('''20:19, 26.02.20''') | |||
# Revert 9 | |||
::*Krakkos adds a citation from Peter Heather in the '']'' about ]' claims of possible Gothic origins in Scandinavia. (17:45, 24.02.20) | |||
::*Andrew Lancaster rewrites what is cited from Peter Heather, claiming that Jordanes' "reliability is disputed" and that he writes about things which happened "more than 1000 years earlier". ('''20:26, 26.02.20''') In the cited source, Heather writes no such things, and Andrew Lancaster is therefore deliberately misrepresenting the sources (he does this all the time). | |||
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'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | ||
# {{diff2|1270537849|00:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Warning: Three-revert rule." | |||
* Warning 1 (17.01.20) | |||
* Warning 2 (20.01.20) | |||
''' |
'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | ||
* Andrew Lancaster has recently flooded ] with sections and arguments, and i have replied to most of them. The section most relevant to the reverts is at ]. | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> | |||
* One month ago, Andrew Lancaster and i had an intense edit war at the article ]. As a result, we were on 17 January 2020 both warned by ] about future edit warring. | |||
We discover this week that random numbers were changed a while ago. We changed them back and sort of started a discussion ] | |||
* Edit warring continued, and on 20 January 2020, ] protected the article for 2 weeks, and warned us both that future edit warring would result in a block. | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> | |||
* As soon as the protection of Germanic peoples ended, Andrew Lancaster resumed his aggressive editing, entirely rewriting the lead at Germanic peoples. I refrained from any more editing warring, but instead tried to discuss the issues at the talk page. Several editors openly agreed with my concerns. Several other editors have only dared to express their concerns with me privately, as they are afraid of Andrew Lancaster. My attempts to resolve the situation at the talk page were ignored by Andrew Lancaster, who because of my refusal to engage in more editing warring, has exploited the situation to completely rewrite the article. | |||
We are not sure what they are doing...... Think they're mistaken continental shelf for EEZ.<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:-15deg;color:darkblue">''']'''</span><span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:15deg;color:darkblue">]</span> 01:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
* I significantly improved the article Goths in September 2019, and nominated it for ] in December the same year. On 3 February 2020, ] began reviewing the article, stating that it was in good shape. Almost immediately afterwards, Andrew Lancaster becomes active at Talk:Goths, complaining about the quality of the article. Over the next days he starts making numerous drastic, unsourced and unhelpful edits to the article. He had never edited the article before noticing that i had put it up for for a GA review. This is clear ]. | |||
*{{AN3|p}} (already semi-protected) ] (]) 06:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Already blocked) == | |||
* Andrew Lancaster's strategy of aggressive edit warring and flooding talk pages with incoherent walls of text paid off at Germanic peoples, and inspired by his success he is now utilizing the same disruptive strategy at Goths to cause me frustration. Andrew Lancaster's aggressive editing has already succeeded in driving numerous productive editors away from important articles, and i'm about there myself. This kind of behavior is harmful to Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 22:22, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
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:*What edit war? An extremely dishonest summary by {{ping|Krakkos}}, who continues to surprise. Krakkos is the main editor. My edits have very detailed edit summaries, and come with lots of attempts to get pre-discussion on the talk page. | |||
:*I suppose that ''technically'' revert 4 is a revert and maybe 5, But as the edsums show, with 4 I thought the book publication year "errors" of Krakkos would be accepted as straightforward mistakes! And 5 (cn template removal) was ''after a talk page discussion'' which showed there was no sourcing concern . However, it turns out these are not mistakes, and Krakkos is routinely making preferred sources look more recent than they are. Krakkos now wants disruption. I have seen a few cases before in the editing of Krakkos, but the pattern and the insistence did not strike me. As this became clear I did no more reverts after the 1st and started a talk page discussion . Very soon after Krakkos suddenly initiated drama and smokescreens, posting an extremely dishonest explanation on the talk page of an admin . {{ping|Doug Weller}} I suppose this here is the next step. | |||
:*As the talk pages of various articles show, Krakkos is desperately doing anything (such as this) to avoid meaningful discussion, and is consistently unable to show an empathy with our policy and norms, with the sources, or other editors. It makes things very messy. This is because Krakkos does not want to talk about things like why these publication years keep getting switched in the same direction, and only for authors Krakkos wants "promoted". How could I have expected Krakkos to say this was not a mistake? | |||
:*Behind all the patterns in the edits one desire can be defined which is central at least to the recent cases I have contended with, and that is that Krakkos wants no mention of any of the newer more critical scholars such as ] to be used in Misplaced Pages, and if they are to be used, Krakkos wants POV forking and walled gardens within articles and/or between articles, in order to quarantine them away from material based purely on sources with the "good old" theories with nice simple Germanic categories. Krakkos also can not explain how this can fit with our policies. | |||
:*Further in the background is the whole career of Krakkos as a Wikipedian which mainly involves categorizing people and things by a language family (Slavic warriors, Germanic warriors, Germanic religion, etc.) The problem with the highly respected new criticism in the Germanic subject area is that people like Goffart are saying this way of categorizing has basic methodological problems. Categorising people as Germanic is VERY important to Krakkos! | |||
:*I think the summary by Krakkos already makes it clear, anyway, that there are lots of things going on, but "edit war" does not quite capture it. --] (]) 23:19, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::*BTW this is not the first time Krakkos has tried to use this forum against me in recent months, and perhaps the past cases should also be looked at. In my opinion there is a pattern of deliberate efforts to make life awkward for other editors, and abuse the system's flexibilities against them. With Krakkos AGF is difficult, but if you manage it, the alternative is that Krakkos has an incredibly incompetent understanding of how most Wikipedians think we should work.--] (]) 23:32, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::He usually adopts these attrition tactics against those who get in his way, often with success. You got in his way, resisting his attempts to impose his grand ethnic scheme. ] (]) 23:46, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::*I recommend a month of full protection for our ] article. This protection might be lifted just as soon as somebody opens an ] on the talk page (about any of the matters in dispute) and both ] and ] engage in a good-faith discussion there, without attacking one another. The filing of a report here represents a sort of escalation from the earlier dispute about ] which led to two weeks of full protection on 20 January by ]. As Doug said the last time around, . It would be logical to block both of you at this time, but you have no prior blocks so it may be worth offering a last chance. Reading the talk discussions, it is hard to feel sympathy for either party ('aggressive', 'drastic' and 'incoherent' from one of the parties and 'dishonest' from the other). You aren't supposed to be solving your problems here, you are supposed to be solving them yourselves with RfCs and other methods. ] (]) 01:31, 27 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::{{re|EdJohnston}} but is this an edit war at all? I certainly agree that this is not the place for the discussion, and I have tried incredibly hard to maintain some level of functioning talk page discussion, and have not given up. The sudden rush of efforts to depict me as edit warring when I discovered the systematic falsification of source information is obviously a strategy trying to make that impossible, so certainly nothing to do with my approach. And not for the first time. Discussion should be happening somewhere else. Locking the article up is fine by me, but honestly in this particular case there is a history of clear community consensus and actions having no impact on the long term editing patterns. I believe: | |||
:::::*The history of Krakkos needs to be looked at more. I think sometimes we need to go beyond saying that "dishonest" is a word to avoid. Other editors over the years, including me, have tried hard to AGF, and developed similar concerns about such systematic patterns of problems. | |||
:::::*Discussion on the talk page about such edits as the ones mentioned above could also benefit from having more experienced editors give comment there. Many of the positions Krakkos takes there are problematic in a clear-cut way (insisting on wrong publication years would be justified how?), and so participation by others would make it clear that this is ''not'' a simple POV dispute between two individuals. See the comment of Johnbod. | |||
:::::Concerning ] I have summarized some of the extraordinary events , but note that bit by bit the article has been improved by me. (Krakkos says it has been ruined, but refuses to explain how. No one else has supported this position. I believe other editors all agree the article is improved.) | |||
:::::...''But'' in terms of what this forum is for, do you say I was edit warring? Please help me out with how you and others would define the above described edits as edit warring, and I'll try to take that one board. Not all editing is an edit war though, obviously, so can you explain your remarks about potentially blocking me? Let me know any advice about edits I should not have done and why? NOTE: I didn't see my edits of yesterday as particularly controversial, and despite everything else the reaction of Krakkos surprised me.--] (]) 07:21, 27 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::{{re|EdJohnston}} As soon as the two-week protection imposed by Dougweller at ] expired, ] resumed edit warring. I refrained from further warring, and Andrew Lancaster thus rewrote the entire article. In the meantime, i have been working to improve the article Goths. Andrew Lancaster has now exported the edit warring to ], an article which he has NEVER edited before. I'm not the one primarily responsible for the escalation. ] (]) 07:31, 27 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::...BTW, Krakkos started this complaint supposedly about edit warring but then did a new ''real revert'' (which my edit was not) of one of the edits described above. No discussion about the concerns with this paragraph I raised in detail, in this case, and in past editing. (On Germanic peoples, relatively uncontroversial sentences by Krakkos had up to 14 long footnotes, all with long un-needed quotes not relevant to the sentence, often identical or near-identical.) So for Krakkos it is always only a question of whatever you think you can get away with, and this edit warring complaint was only part of a strategy of constantly working on the edge of community rules. Krakkos very rarely accepts any advice or gets into any constructive discussion. --] (]) 07:40, 27 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::In the last few days you have flooded ] with more than ten sections and huge amounts of text. I have engaged in "constructive discussion" in almost all of them, as can easily be verified. Please stop with these misrepresentations of the facts. ] (]) 10:43, 27 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Like this one which is still open, unbelievably? Normally you do not expect other editors, even in a dispute, to be so insistent that even a wrong publication date must stay, and that if someone tries to change it, they will claim an edit war. Normally also, even in a dispute, constructive editors might even say thanks when their interlocutor says that a statement with lots of footnotes is not controversial and can do with a simpler footnote. In your case, this too, is brought into an edit warring claim, and so on. I guess it is good that since this discussion here started you have answered a couple of talk page issues today but these are not really exemplary discussions either. You never come to a clear point, and you insist on even the most obvious problems like the publishing dates and your argument that a dictionary article not mentioning something is all we need to justify not mentioning large parts of the field. I am really not wanting to edit this article, but you make it hard to avoid by taking such irrational positions. (And if not me, someone else will eventually change the article if you insist on such things. That is why I keep advising you to aim for something "stable" and lasting which means in agreement with other editors, and more sensitive to the concerns of others.)--] (]) 12:26, 27 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
*As the GA reviewer, this fight sadly makes it impossible for me to finish the review right now. Please note that 1) content never gets perfect and 2) opinions differ largely what to consider best. If there is no clear error or violation against Misplaced Pages policies, the main author is usually is given the last word. I would like to give it one last try and make the following suggestion: {{u|Andrew Lancaster}} finishes listing his suggestions to the talk page. When done, he promises to stay away from the article, and I will check and take those points into account for my GA review. Could you both life with that? --] (]) 18:05, 27 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::I think there is some confusion about the situation, coming from the dramatic style of description my interlocutor likes to use. | |||
:::*Krakkos has been changing the article quite a lot before any of this, and I think Krakkos and I would agree that much of what is being done is really needed. | |||
:::*This means the article was not really ready for GA, and I am presuming Krakkos is not really used to GA norms in that respect? So it was always going to involve some delays. This has nothing to do with me, or any "edit war". | |||
:::*Indeed I am trying to mainly just comment on the talk page. OTOH there are policy-related concerns, which Krakkos should give some priority to, and I presume that is also something for a GA reviewer to watch. Hopefully Krakkos will not continue to react in pointy or stubborn ways to that. Indeed some third party advice on basic policies such as WP:RS, publication dates in citations, etc etc, could be helpful. | |||
:::*At this stage I see no "killer" disagreement which needs a special community RFC. There are lots of smaller issues which could eventually go to WP:RSN for example if they don't get clearer up. A background theme to watch is bias towards one author, which sometimes seems to be getting worse. | |||
:::*Actually the article is improving, bit by bit! I just wish it were not so hard to discuss every little concern.--] (]) 18:19, 27 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
::{{re|Jens Lallensack}} Thank you yet again for your constructive suggestions. I'm perfectly willing to comply with this solution. ] (]) 18:33, 27 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Harti}} | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Protected) == | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|2A01:4B00:D10A:6700:C8CB:A681:5BFA:C14D}} | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Rodney Reed}} <br /> | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks| Wallyfromdilbert}} | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | '''Previous version reverted to:''' | ||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | '''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | ||
# {{diff2|1270551103|02:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Enterprisers */" | |||
Removing content negative to the subject. | |||
# {{diff2|1270550937|02:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Royalty */" | |||
#https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Rodney_Reed&oldid=942720663 | |||
# {{diff2|1270550061|02:21, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Enterprisers */" | |||
#https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Rodney_Reed&oldid=942799078 | |||
# {{diff|oldid=1270548846|diff=1270549881|label=Consecutive edits made from 02:16, 20 January 2025 (UTC) to 02:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} | |||
#https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Rodney_Reed&oldid=942799691 | |||
## {{diff2|1270549319|02:16, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Royalty */" | |||
#https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Rodney_Reed&oldid=942799882 | |||
## {{diff2|1270549881|02:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Politicians */" | |||
''' |
'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | ||
# {{diff2|1270550935|02:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Edit Warring */ new section" | |||
''' |
'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | ||
https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Rodney_Reed | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> | |||
and again , and | |||
*{{AN3|ab}} (/64 blocked for 1 week by {{u|Daniel Case}}) ] (]) 06:41, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Blocked 72 hours) == | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Tübingen School}} | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Xpander1}} | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
# {{diff2|1270585353|07:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Restored revision 974048061 by ] (]): Self-reverting as per ]" | |||
# {{diff2|1270579742|06:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Restored revision 1270517034 by ] (]): Please see the redirect page for adding new edits" | |||
# {{diff2|1270517034|22:40, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Restored revision 1270516481 by ] (]): Please avoid making an edit war, I asked you nicely" | |||
# {{diff2|1270516481|22:37, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (])" | |||
# {{diff2|1270515748|22:32, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Restored revision 1270489731 by ] (]): Please add the new sources to ] Best." | |||
# {{diff|oldid=1270482917|diff=1270489731|label=Consecutive edits made from 19:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC) to 19:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} | |||
## {{diff2|1270484281|19:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) other editors simply continued my original work, which I respect" | |||
## {{diff2|1270489731|19:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Redirecting page the newly created page" | |||
# {{diff2|1270482597|19:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Restored revision 974048061 by ] (]): Reverting my own edit to contest page creation attribution" | |||
# {{diff2|1270267829|19:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (])" | |||
'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | |||
# {{diff2|1270589185|07:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* January 2025 */ new section" | |||
'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | |||
# {{diff2|1270588908|07:44, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "/* Page creator attribution */ Reply" | |||
# {{diff2|1270341854|02:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC) on Misplaced Pages:Requested moves/Technical requests}} "/* Uncontroversial technical requests */ Decline, this one is more of a histmerge request which would also be declined from ] - I'm happy to explain further on a talk page" | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> | |||
Extremely aggressive edit warring. Xpander1 had expanded a redirect to a page with no issue but decided it would be better to just create a page, hence a discussion at ]. Editor decided to "redact contribution in protest", initially blanking then resorting to redirecting. ] would assist in reverting these changes with Xpander1 reacting negatively, violating 3RR to get it erased. Editor had created redirects such as ] and ], with ] being where he did a cut-and-paste move from original article. Has no intention to resolve dispute any time soon. <span style="font-family: Georgia; background-color: coral; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">] ]</span> 08:26, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:All I did was self-reverting, the article had no significant history before my contribution. What you are describing as "copy-pasting", is me putting my own creation in a new page. As I have explained in many places, in the ], and elsewhere. My rationale is very simple, Misplaced Pages must distinguish between '''valid-article-creators''' and '''redirect-page-creators'''. I currently count as the latter. Which don't think is fair. ] (]) 08:49, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::As for now, the page is currently being attributed to User:Wetman on ] and on the . ] (]) 09:12, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
The Teahouse discussion can be found (for now) at ]. Please see also ] and ]. ] (]) 09:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:{{AN3|b|72 hours}} , I am mystified—no, make it ''stunned''—that Xpander thinks this edit-warring is justified. In what sense are they not being attributed as the page creator sufficiently for their ego? Do they mean that the ''page creation log'' isn't saying that they are? Uh, that's something the ''software'' does, that by design no one has control over. {{u|Wetman}} is going to get credit for creating the ''page'', yes, as the empty redirect it was apparently quite happy to have been for 15 years. As noted, no editor familiar with how our processes work would doubt that Xpander, in practical terms, created the ''article'' by translating the dewiki article, regardless of what the logs say.<p>Xpander's repeated reversion to the redirect is, frankly, childish behavior that smacks of ]. I strongly remind them ].<p>I also reject their argument that ] shields them as they were merely always "reverting their own edit". Technically that might be arguable, but it is ''inarguable'' that, especially given their statement that ], they did so in a manner calculated to cause ] and interfere with the work of others. To allow this to pass on that basis would be opening up a whole new way to ]. ] (]) 20:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::'''Addendum''': I also commend ] to {{u|Xpander1}}'s attention. ] (]) 22:23, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Blocked 31 hours) == | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Oriel High School}} | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|92.238.20.255}} | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
# {{diff2|1270686162|19:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Updated content" | |||
# {{diff2|1270685824|19:18, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Updated content" | |||
# {{diff2|1270685483|19:16, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Deleted content" | |||
# {{diff2|1270684934|19:12, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Deleted content" | |||
# {{diff2|1270683674|19:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Deleted content" | |||
'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | |||
<u>'''Comments''': This IP is trying to censor information in that article --] (]) 19:26, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</u> | |||
*{{AN3|b|31 hours}} ] (]) 19:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
*:I undid that block and restored it because simply removing the block isn't really an option in response to actually disruptive editing, but the IP editor's behavior wasn't the main issue in this edit war. I'll send warnings around to people who should know better. ] (]) 19:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: Stale) == | |||
'''Page:''' ] <br /> | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Kelvintjy}} | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Political_dissidence_in_the_Empire_of_Japan&oldid=1217491179 | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
# https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Political_dissidence_in_the_Empire_of_Japan&oldid=1227039793 | |||
# https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Political_dissidence_in_the_Empire_of_Japan&oldid=1229865081 | |||
# https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Political_dissidence_in_the_Empire_of_Japan&oldid=1230019964 | |||
# https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Political_dissidence_in_the_Empire_of_Japan&oldid=1230184562 | |||
'''Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: See July 24th 2024 ''' https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Kelvintjy | |||
'''Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' See "Biased" https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Political_dissidence_in_the_Empire_of_Japan | |||
'''Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:''' https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Kelvintjy | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> | <u>'''Comments:'''</u> <br /> | ||
Hello | |||
:::This user has been engaging in edit warring against multiple users removing content from a page for months. Just today he did 4 reverts. ] (]) 22:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
the user Kelvintjy has been engaged in another war last summer and was banned from the ] page. He's been pursuing an edit war on the ] page too without daring give explanations on the talk page though he was invited to do it many times. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:The content is a clear ] violation because it is stating allegations as fact in Misplaced Pages's voice. Even if the other issue of whether ] and "public figure" could be interpreted differently, that would require actually engaging in the discussion on the talk page or reopening the discussion at ], which already reached a consensus regarding the use of primary sources. Also, note that the filing editor is continuing to restore this content. – ] (]) 22:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
*{{AN3|s}} ] (]) 20:03, 20 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::I don't see you engaging in any discussion on the talk page. I've posted multiple things there and you've barely responded to any of them. And when you have you have just repeated the same claims. The information is presented as stated in the sources. If you feel the language is not netural, you can change it. ] (]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added 22:53, 26 February 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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*:@] you blocked this user from the page ] in Aug. 2024 for the same reasons. ] (]) 12:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
I don't understand the user always keep targeting me. I am more of a silence contributor. I had seen how the complainant had argue with other contributor in other talk page and after a while the complainant stay silent and not touching certain topic and instead keep making edit on articles related to ] or ]. Now, he is making a lot of edit on ]. ] (]) 05:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
== ] reported by ] (Result: 1RR imposed on article) == | |||
'''Page:''' {{pagelinks|Elon Musk}} | |||
'''User being reported:''' {{userlinks|Ergzay}} | |||
'''Previous version reverted to:''' | |||
'''Diffs of the user's reverts:''' | |||
# {{diff2|1270885082|18:31, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) Reverting for user specifying basically ] as their reasoning" | |||
# {{diff2|1270881666|18:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) I believe you have reverted this edit in error so I am adding it back. Rando tweet from a random organization? The Anti-defamation league is cited elsewhere in this article and this tweet was in the article previously. I simply copy pasted it from a previous edit. ADL is a trusted source in the perennial source list ]" | |||
# {{diff2|1270878417|17:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) Removing misinformation" | |||
# {{diff2|1270875037|17:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) Discussion ongoing and it's incorrect as well" | |||
# {{diff2|1270724963|23:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Revert, this is not the purpose of the short description" | |||
# {{diff2|1270718517|22:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Undid revision ] by ] (]) Elon is not a multinational" | |||
'''Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:''' | |||
# {{diff2|1270879182|17:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} "Warning: Three-revert rule on ]." {{small|(edit: corrected diff)}} | |||
'''Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:''' | |||
# {{diff2|1270885380|18:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}} "stop edit warring now or it all goes to ANI" {{small|(edit: added diff, fix date)}} | |||
<u>'''Comments:'''</u> | |||
Breach of ] {{small|(added comment after 18:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC) comment added below)}}. ] (]) 18:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
] seems to be making a mistake here as several of those edits were of different content. You can't just list every single revert and call it edit warring. And the brief edit warring that did happen stopped as I realized I was reverting the wrong thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Elon_Musk&diff=prev&oldid=1270879523 ] (]) 18:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Read the bright read box at ] (. ] (]) 18:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::@] So let me get this straight, you're saying making unrelated reverts of unrelated content in a 24 hour period hits 3RR? You sure you got that right? As people violate that one all the darn time. Never bothered to report people as it's completely innocent. If you're heavily involved on a page and reverting stuff you'll hit that quick and fast for a rapidly updated page. ] (]) 18:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::]: {{tq|An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period.}} – ] (]) 19:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::Well TIL on that one as that's the first time I've ever heard of that use case and I've been on this site for 15+ years. 3RR in every use I've ever seen it is about back and forth reverting of the _same content_ within a short period of time. It's a severe rule break where people are clearly edit warring the same content back and forth. Reverting unrelated content on the page (edits that are often clearly vandalism-like edits, like the first two listed) would never violate 3RR in my experience. ] (]) 19:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::I'd honestly love an explanation on that rule as I can't figure out why it makes sense. You don't want to limit people's ability to fix vandalism on a fast moving page. ] (]) 19:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::]: {{tq|There are certain exemptions to the three-revert rule, such as reverting vandalism or clear violations of the policy on biographies of living persons}}. – ] (]) 19:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::No I mean even in the wider sense. Like why does it make sense to limit the ability to revert unrelated content on the same page? I can't figure out why that would make sense. The 3RR page doesn't explain that. ] (]) 19:13, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::Vandalism is an exemption. But vandalism has a narrow definition. ] (]) 19:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:Should be added, that I was in the process of reverting my own edit after the above linked comment, but someone reverted it before I could get to it. | |||
:The 18:12 edit was me undoing what was presumed to be a mistaken change by EF5 that I explained in my edit comment as they seemed to think that "some random twitter account" was being used as a source. That revert was not reverted. The 18:31 edit was a revert of an "i don't like it" edit that someone else made, it was not a revert of a revert of my own change. ] (]) 19:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Frankly, I thought your characterization of IDONTLIKEIT in your edit summary was improper and was thinking of reverting you, but didn't want to be a part of what I thought was your edit war. ] (]) 19:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::We can agree to disagree, but the reasons I called it IDONTLIKEIT was because the person who was reverted described the ADL, who is on the perennial sources list as being reliable, in their first edit description with the wording followed by after another editor restored the content with a different source, which is the edit I reverted. ] (]) 19:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::Looks like you have seven reverts in two days in a CTOP. I've even seen admins ask someone else to revert instead of violating a revert rule themselves. ] (]) 19:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::::What is a CTOP? ] (]) 19:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::::::A CTOP is a ]. ] (]) 19:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:In Ergzay's defense some of these reverts do seem to be covered under BLP, but many do not and I am concerned about the battleground attitude that Ergzay is taking. The edit summaries "Discussion ongoing and it's incorrect as well" and "Removing misinformation" also seems to be getting into righting great wrongs territory as the coverage happened whether you agree with the analysis or not. ] (]) 20:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::@] Thanks but at this point things are too heated and people are so confident Musk is some kind of Nazi now nothing I say is gonna change anything. It's not worth the mental exhaustion I spent over the last few hours. So I probably won't be touching the page or talk page again for several days at least unless I get pinged. The truth will come out eventually, just like the last several tempest in a teapots on the Elon Musk page that eventually got corrected. Misplaced Pages is gonna be Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 21:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::{{tq|Misplaced Pages is gonna be Misplaced Pages.}} If your argument is that Misplaced Pages is wrong about things and you have to come in periodically to fix it; that’s not an argument that works very well on an administrative noticeboard -- and certainly not a good argument here at AN3. ] (]) 22:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
: Based on the comment in response to the notification for this discussion, {{tq|"I've been brought to ANI many times in the past. Never been punished for it"}}, I was quite surprised to see that the editor didn't acquire an understanding of 3RR when in 2020. That's sometime ago granted, but additionally a lack of awareness of CTOP, when there is an edit notice at Musk's page regarding BLP policy, is highly suggestive of ]. This in addition to the 3RR warning that was ignored, followed by continuing to revert other editors, and eventually arguing that it must be because I am wrong. If there is an essay based on "Everyone else must be wrong because I'm always right" I'd very much like to read it. As for this report, I primarily wanted to nip the edit war in the bud which appears to have worked for now, given the talk page warning failed to achieve anything. I otherwise remain concerned about the general ] based indicators; disruptive editing, battleground attitude, and lack of willingness to collaborate with other editors in a civil manner. ] (]) 23:55, 21 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:: I have decided, under CTOPS and mindful of the current situation regarding the article subject, a situation that I think we can agree is unlikely to change anytime soon and is just going to attract more contentious editing, that the best resolution here, given that ''some'' of Ergzay's reverts are concededly justified on BLP grounds and that he genuinely seems ignorant of the provision in 3RR that covers ''all'' edits (a provision that, since he still wants to know, is in response to certain battleground editors in the past who would keep reverting different material within the same 24 hours so as to comply with the ''letter'', but not the ''spirit'', of 3RR (In other words, another case of ])) is to put the article under 1RR. It will be duly logged at CTOPS. ] (]) 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC) |
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User:Xuangzadoo reported by User:Ratnahastin (Result: Page protected indef)
Page: List of religious slurs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Xuangzadoo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to:
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- 19:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270059834 by 25 Cents FC (rv, none of that contradicts my edits. There are no sources which call "pajeet" a religious slur directed at Hindus. It's only a religious slur for sikhs. There are no sources which call Chuhras Christians or Hindus, they are muslims. There are no sources which mention "cow piss drinker" originating in the US, it's from South Asia. None of my edits contradict what the talk page says.)"
- 16:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270040967 by Ratnahastin (The articles specifically mention "pajeet" as a religious slur directed at sikhs and/or as a racial slur directed at other south asians. There is no mention of "pajeet" being directed as a religious slur at Hindus.)"
- 16:44, 17 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Hindus */ not a religious slur targeted at Hindus, removed"
- 01:28 15 January 2025 "The two sources added for "Pajeet" specifically mention that it's directed at Sikhs or at south asians racially, not at Hindus religiously, removed. "Sanghi" does not have a separate mention for Kashmir in any of its sources, removed. Added disambiguating link to Bengali Hindus. Corrected origin of "cow-piss drinker" to the correct country of origin as mentioned in the source. Added further information for "Dothead"."
- 11:55, 14 January 2025 11:55 "Undid revision 1269326532 by Sumanuil"
Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
- 16:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC) "Warning: Edit warring on List of religious slurs."
Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
- 16:52, 17 January 2025 (UTC) "/* 'Anti-Christian slurs' */ cmt"
- 17:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Kanglu */ add"
Comments:
All these reverts yet not a single response at the talkpage. - Ratnahastin (talk) 01:42, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am replying here as I'm not sure what you want from me.
- Every edit I made is fairly accurate and doesn't contradict or vandalize any of wikipedia's rules.
- Xuangzadoo (talk) 07:29, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- You are still edit warring without posting at the talkpage. - Ratnahastin (talk) 16:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- More reverts , can someone do something? - Ratnahastin (talk) 01:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Page protected I also note the user has been alerted to CTOPS, which I protected the page under, so there will be no room for argument if this behavior continues. Daniel Case (talk) 23:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
User:Noorullah21 reported by User:HerakliosJulianus (Result: No violation)
Page: Battle of Jamrud (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Noorullah21 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to:
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- 07:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "Restored revision 1270112351 by Noorullah21 (talk): No it hasn't, they haven't even given their conclusion, and you again edited the page to revert it.."
- 00:05, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "Restored revision 1270108346 by Noorullah21 (talk): No he doesn't, please take this to the talk page now to be more clear."
- 23:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC) "Restored revision 1270099439 by Noorullah21: "where they too were saved by the arrival of substantial reinforcements.
Akbar Khan broke off the engagement and returned to Jalalabad, leaving the Sikhs in control of Jamrud, but when he returned to Kabul he claimed the victory and was given a hero’s welcome. For decades after, this pyrrhic victory was celebrated annually in the Afghan capital.39" -Lee, (calls it a phyrric Afghan victory), and Hussain isn't on google scholars."
Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
- 23:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC) "/* January 2025 */ new section"
- 00:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "Warning: Removal of content, blanking on Battle of Jamrud."
- 12:01, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "Final warning: Removal of content, blanking on Battle of Jamrud."
Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
- 10:35, 17 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Aftermath section */ new section"
- 00:28, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Aftermath section */ Reply"
- 00:37, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Aftermath section */ Reply"
- 01:15, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Aftermath section */ Reply"
- 01:27, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Aftermath section */ Reply"
- 01:53, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Aftermath section */ Reply"
- 02:01, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Aftermath section */ Reply"
- 02:08, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Aftermath section */ Reply"
- 02:23, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Aftermath section */ Reply"
Comments:
This is not the first time they are edit warring and breaking 3RR, they were previously warned by an admin . There seems to be a habit of them continuously misinterpreting the sources and pushing certain PoVs. They have opted for 3O by themselves but disagreed with the opinion given. Indo-Greek 12:22, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- Im not that involved(haven’t reverted anybody, just made a comment on the talk page). As a word of advice because so many people seem to forget this fact, when your adding disputed content, ONUS is on you to attain consensus. Which hasn’t happened here.
- “The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.”
- It seems that you yourself were also edit warring, except your the one who’s adding disputed content so per ONUS, you were never supposed to revert him to begin with. You need to wait until talk page discussions conclude and gain consensus. Someguywhosbored (talk) 15:13, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- A. The instance you pointed out was an administrator warning me for one revert on the History of India page. (Talking to Indo-Greek, the person who reported and I had a dispute with here..)
- B. When the individual hasn't concluded their WP:3O, you immediately reverted the page again saying they did. There's still a very open discussion with the user... (They've even edited the page most recently!.. I'd also like to remind you WP:3O is non binding even when the opinion is given, meaning whether they say either or is in the right.. the dispute can still continue until a Consensus can be made. The burden of proof is on you for WP:ONUS (you also kept readding a non WP:RS source.. (Farrukh Hussain). I pointed out WP:3O as a solution, and you keep reverting the page far before they've given their opinion. Lee... (this is now bringing the argument from the talk page here..) calls it a phyrric victory. Noorullah (talk) 16:02, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also told said where per WP:ONUS, it's per them to seek Consensus. Noorullah (talk) 16:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- I reverted my edit as of now per the edit summary. (the last edit prior to that is the person working on our WP:3PO. Noorullah (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- This seems like WP:TAGTEAM, but anyways. The admin had warned you for the same edit warring issue, not 1RR. You had asked for 3O which an editor eventually gave one quoting:
I found a huge contradiction in your quote. You said "Nothing here calls the battle a Sikh victory," but the quote literally says "The Sikhs had beaten the Afghans"
which was later discarded by you which is fine, but if other editors accusing you for overlooking the source and found you contradicting yourself then you should have been more cautious rather than outrightly reverting my changes. Indo-Greek 16:56, 18 January 2025 (UTC)- Have you not read the rest of the discussion..? the WP:3O is being discussed.
- You've completely ignored this.
- Scroll down! (on the talk page). Noorullah (talk) 17:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also didn't violate the 3 revert rule. I didn't revert 4 times, I reverted 3 times. Although of course, this seems to be more inclined toward edit warring, which both of us did.
- @Someguywhosbored has just jumped into the discussion (and they seem to be more in favor of my argument) -- per their most recent talk page msg on the battle of jamrud, which shows a growing consensus on my side? .. Nonetheless, I still find this report baseless. Noorullah (talk) 17:35, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- Both of us did No, I barely reverted your changes two times. You need to go through WP:3RR, don't confuse it with WP:4RR. I also think that Someguywhosbored didn't jump here randomly and what consensus you're referring to? The report is not baseless besides it shows some sign of WP:MEAT. Indo-Greek 19:39, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- What?
- "No, I barely reverted your changes two times. You need to go through WP:3RR" -- Yes, I'm talking about myself.. I reverted 3 times, to break the 3rr rule, you have to revert more than three times (i.e 4 times) "An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page" -- I also self reverted per the former.
- "Someguywhosbored didn't jump here randomly and what consensus you're referring to?" -- He responded on the talk page (of the page), he responded here, and he also re-reverted the page.
- "The report is not baseless besides it shows some sign of WP:MEAT." - Are you insinuating @Someguywhosbored is a Meatpuppet? Because you've drawn effectively numerous flanks into the air on what this report is really about.
- A. In your edit summary you said the Third opinion was concluded.. (it wasn't.)
- B. You report here for 3rr (when 3rr wasn't violated, and I'm assuming this is more inclined toward edit war..?)
- C. You then throw around Meatpuppet accusations?
- I'm sorry but there's no way this discussion is remaining civil anymore. Did you even read the Meatpuppet page? "The term meatpuppet may be seen by some as derogatory and should be used with care, in keeping with Misplaced Pages:Civility. Because of the processes above, it may be counterproductive to directly accuse someone of being a "meatpuppet", and doing so will often only inflame the dispute."
- Flinging around accusations of Meatpuppetry clearly breaches Civility. Noorullah (talk) 20:05, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- You also did revert it three times.. Shown here:
- (First time)
- (Second time)
- (Third Time) Noorullah (talk) 20:42, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- You are again falsely accusing me of breaking 3RR. You do realise that the first revert was more than 24 hours prior than the other two? I don't have much to say here it's quite self explanatory, while this is not the same case with you, where 3RR has been violated in the span of 24 hours. Indo-Greek 21:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not accusing you of breaking 3RR, I'm saying you reverted three times. To break 3RR it has to be four reverts. (you have to revert more than three times). Your reverts were also in a 24 hour period. (Or just shy of it?)
- I didn't revert four times to break 3RR. Where are the diffs of me reverting you four times? Noorullah (talk) 21:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- You are again falsely accusing me of breaking 3RR. You do realise that the first revert was more than 24 hours prior than the other two? I don't have much to say here it's quite self explanatory, while this is not the same case with you, where 3RR has been violated in the span of 24 hours. Indo-Greek 21:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- Both of us did No, I barely reverted your changes two times. You need to go through WP:3RR, don't confuse it with WP:4RR. I also think that Someguywhosbored didn't jump here randomly and what consensus you're referring to? The report is not baseless besides it shows some sign of WP:MEAT. Indo-Greek 19:39, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also told said where per WP:ONUS, it's per them to seek Consensus. Noorullah (talk) 16:17, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
No violation – there must be four or more reverts within a 24 hour period for the 3-Revert Rule to apply; the links you have provided do not meet these criteria. As noted in the loooong discussion above, which again proves that using the talk page is a much preferable alternative to taking it over here. Also, this is getting a bit stale. Daniel Case (talk) 12:33, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
User:Thomediter reported by User:Number 57 (Result: Declined)
Page: Next Danish general election (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Thomediter (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Diffs of the user's reverts:
Editor was asked to respect BRD and warned that one more revert would result in them being reported for breaching 3RR. They made the fourth revert immediately after responding to the warning.
Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:
Comments:
- User:Thomediter, I am going to revert your last (fourth) revert; you are indeed edit warring and you're not giving any reasons for your edits, never mind for your ongoing reverts. If you revert one more time you will be blocked. Please don't let it get that far. Seek the talk page. Drmies (talk) 17:40, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- Declined per above and reported editor's inactivity. Daniel Case (talk) 22:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
User:GiggaHigga127 reported by User:Mac Dreamstate (Result: 48 hours)
Page: Conor Benn (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: GiggaHigga127 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to: – only welterweight in the infobox
Diffs of the user's reverts:
Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:
Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: clarification on style guide at user talk page
Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:
Comments:
User:GiggaHigga127 insists on adding the light middleweight and middleweight divisions to Conor Benn's infobox. Our style guide at WikiProject Boxing, MOS:BOXING, says to only include weight classes in which a boxer has notably competed, that being usually for regional/minor/world titles. In Benn's case, that division was welterweight for almost the entirety of his career, and he did indeed hold a regional title in that division. In 2023 he was given a lengthy ban from the sport, from which he recently returned in a pair of throwaway fights within the light middleweight limit, against non-notable opposition and with no titles at stake. Per the style guide, those throwaway fights are not important enough to warrant the inclusion of light middleweight in the infobox, at least until he begins competing there regularly.
As far as middleweight goes, Benn has never competed anywhere close to that weight class. He has a fight 'scheduled' to take place at middleweight, but until the bell rings to officially commence proceedings, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:V should apply, and again it should not be listed in the infobox until then. This same fight was 'scheduled' in 2023, only to be cancelled after Benn failed a drug test—something which happens in boxing all the time. In fact, at the Project we had a similar RfC regarding upcoming fights in record tables, so the same should apply in this instance. WP:IAR would also be a cop-out, because the whole point of MOS:BOXING was to ensure consistency across boxing articles. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:50, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- It continues: , this time with me being called a "melt". I can't imagine what that is, but all the better if it's an insult for obvious reasons. Also, no responses at user talk page. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 00:06, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Predictably, now it's onto block evasion: . NOTHERE. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Based on this, it could be meaty as well. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Neither nor. I stand by the revision, but that's where any commonality ends. --Dennis Definition (talk) 22:53, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Of course you stand by the revision. You show up less than 12 hours after Gigga gets blocked, and perform the exact same revert. Dodgy. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Neither nor. I stand by the revision, but that's where any commonality ends. --Dennis Definition (talk) 22:53, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Based on this, it could be meaty as well. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Predictably, now it's onto block evasion: . NOTHERE. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
User:Logoshimpo reported by User:JayBeeEll (Result: Blocked 24h)
Page: Probability and statistics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Logoshimpo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to:
Diffs of the user's reverts:
Slow-motion edit-warring: original bold edit was , subsequent reversions are , , .
Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
- 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC) "/* WP:SELFREF */ Reply"
Comments: The last revert follows talk-page discussion in which two users (including me) have rejected their arguments and no one has agreed with them. Here was their addition to the talk-page before their most recent revert: . JBL (talk) 17:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Blocked – for a period of 24 hours Daniel Case (talk) 22:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
User:Rauzoi reported by User:Crasias (Result: Blocked 36 hours, reporter blocked 24, and page protected for a week)
Page: Nachos (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Rauzoi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to:
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- 17:20, 19 January 2025 (UTC) "original version https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nachos&diff=prev&oldid=1187016754 vandalized by Crasias"
- Consecutive edits made from 17:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC) to 17:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- 17:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270457231 by Crasias (talk)"
- 17:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC) ""
- 16:42, 19 January 2025 (UTC) "original version https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Nachos&diff=prev&oldid=1187016754"
- Consecutive edits made from 06:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC) to 06:43, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Consecutive edits made from 04:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC) to 04:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- 04:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC) ""
- 04:01, 19 January 2025 (UTC) ""
- 04:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Variations */"
Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
Comments:
Frequently removing and replacing sourced content that identifies Nachos as "Tex-Mex" rather than "Mexican" Crasias (talk) 17:32, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Both editors blocked Rauzoi for 36 hours and Crasias for 24 (one less revert over the limit). 3RRNO does not cover this. Furthermore ...
- Page protected Extended-confirmed for a week since, as both editors are autoconfirmed only, they will not be able to resume hostilities once the blocks expire. The talk page hasn't been used in months. Daniel Case (talk) 23:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
User:BoneCrushingDog reported by User:Generalrelative (Result: Blocked one week)
Page: Sex differences in intelligence (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: BoneCrushingDog (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Diffs of the user's reverts:
Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:
Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:
Comments: Note that these edits fall squarely under WP:ARBGS, and the last (6th) revert was done after they were formally notified. Generalrelative (talk) 23:23, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Blocked – for a period of one week. Bbb23 (talk) 00:33, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
User:177.84.58.25 reported by User:Moxy (Result: Page already semi-protected)
Page: Exclusive economic zone (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: 177.84.58.25 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to:
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- Consecutive edits made from 01:13, 20 January 2025 (UTC) to 01:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- 01:13, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Eu não sou essa pessoa que você está a citar eu comecei a alterar essa página essa e a minhas primeiras vezes , eu estou alteração está página porque eu gosto de ver a área da ZEE de cada país um abaixo do outro ."
- 01:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "I started changing this page today I'm just making changes to this page because I like to see the Zee area of each country in the world, please don't make changes"
- 01:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "I started changing this page today I'm just making changes to this page because I like to see the Zee area of each country in the world, please don't make changes"
- 00:56, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Eu não vou mais fazer alteração se deixar o Rankings by area porque eu gosto de Rankings by area"
- 00:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "ZEE com alteração perfeita"
- 00:21, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Alterei o tamanho da zona exclusiva econômica do brasil porque a ZEE aumentou em 2024"
- 23:49, 19 January 2025 (UTC) "Antes essa página sofreu alteração incorreta, com eu fiz uma alteração mais correta ."
Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
- 00:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Warning: Three-revert rule."
Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
We discover this week that random numbers were changed a while ago. We changed them back and sort of started a discussion User talk:Maxeto0910#EEZ
Comments:
We are not sure what they are doing...... Think they're mistaken continental shelf for EEZ.Moxy🍁 01:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Page protected (already semi-protected) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 06:38, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
User:2A01:4B00:D10A:6700:C8CB:A681:5BFA:C14D reported by User:Flat Out (Result: Already blocked)
Page: Harti (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: 2A01:4B00:D10A:6700:C8CB:A681:5BFA:C14D (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to:
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- 02:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Enterprisers */"
- 02:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Royalty */"
- 02:21, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Enterprisers */"
- Consecutive edits made from 02:16, 20 January 2025 (UTC) to 02:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- 02:16, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Royalty */"
- 02:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Politicians */"
Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
- 02:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Edit Warring */ new section"
Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
Comments:
- Already blocked (/64 blocked for 1 week by Daniel Case) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 06:41, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
User:Xpander1 reported by User:MimirIsSmart (Result: Blocked 72 hours)
Page: Tübingen School (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Xpander1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to:
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- 07:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Restored revision 974048061 by Arms & Hearts (talk): Self-reverting as per Misplaced Pages:3RRNO"
- 06:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Restored revision 1270517034 by Xpander1 (talk): Please see the redirect page for adding new edits"
- 22:40, 19 January 2025 (UTC) "Restored revision 1270516481 by Xpander1 (talk): Please avoid making an edit war, I asked you nicely"
- 22:37, 19 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270516027 by Wikishovel (talk)"
- 22:32, 19 January 2025 (UTC) "Restored revision 1270489731 by Xpander1 (talk): Please add the new sources to Protestant and Catholic Tübingen School Best."
- Consecutive edits made from 19:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC) to 19:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- 19:26, 19 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270482917 by Wikishovel (talk) other editors simply continued my original work, which I respect"
- 19:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC) "Redirecting page the newly created page"
- 19:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC) "Restored revision 974048061 by Arms & Hearts (talk): Reverting my own edit to contest page creation attribution"
- 19:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270267643 by Xpander1 (talk)"
Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
- 07:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "/* January 2025 */ new section"
Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
- 07:44, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "/* Page creator attribution */ Reply"
- 02:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC) on Misplaced Pages:Requested moves/Technical requests "/* Uncontroversial technical requests */ Decline, this one is more of a histmerge request which would also be declined from WP:NOATT - I'm happy to explain further on a talk page"
Comments:
Extremely aggressive edit warring. Xpander1 had expanded a redirect to a page with no issue but decided it would be better to just create a page, hence a discussion at Special:Diff/1270341854. Editor decided to "redact contribution in protest", initially blanking then resorting to redirecting. User:Wikishovel would assist in reverting these changes with Xpander1 reacting negatively, violating 3RR to get it erased. Editor had created redirects such as Protestant and Catholic Tübingen Schools and Tübingen school (Germany), with Protestant and Catholic Tübingen School being where he did a cut-and-paste move from original article. Has no intention to resolve dispute any time soon. MimirIsSmart (talk) 08:26, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- All I did was self-reverting, the article had no significant history before my contribution. What you are describing as "copy-pasting", is me putting my own creation in a new page. As I have explained in many places, in the WP:Teahouse, and elsewhere. My rationale is very simple, Misplaced Pages must distinguish between valid-article-creators and redirect-page-creators. I currently count as the latter. Which don't think is fair. Xpander (talk) 08:49, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- As for now, the page is currently being attributed to User:Wetman on xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Wetman and on the article's info page. Xpander (talk) 09:12, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
The Teahouse discussion can be found (for now) at WP:Teahouse#Made an article in place of an redirect. Please see also User talk:Voorts#Protestant and Catholic Tübingen School and Talk:Protestant and Catholic Tübingen School. Wikishovel (talk) 09:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Blocked – for a period of 72 hours Like Wikishovel, I am mystified—no, make it stunned—that Xpander thinks this edit-warring is justified. In what sense are they not being attributed as the page creator sufficiently for their ego? Do they mean that the page creation log isn't saying that they are? Uh, that's something the software does, that by design no one has control over. Wetman is going to get credit for creating the page, yes, as the empty redirect it was apparently quite happy to have been for 15 years. As noted, no editor familiar with how our processes work would doubt that Xpander, in practical terms, created the article by translating the dewiki article, regardless of what the logs say.
Xpander's repeated reversion to the redirect is, frankly, childish behavior that smacks of page ownership. I strongly remind them not to expect rewards for their editing.
I also reject their argument that 3RRNO#1 shields them as they were merely always "reverting their own edit". Technically that might be arguable, but it is inarguable that, especially given their statement that this was a protest over not getting credit for something no one really expects credit for, they did so in a manner calculated to cause maximum disruption and interfere with the work of others. To allow this to pass on that basis would be opening up a whole new way to game the system. Daniel Case (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Addendum: I also commend WP:NO THANKS to Xpander1's attention. Daniel Case (talk) 22:23, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
User:92.238.20.255 reported by User:Expert on all topics (Result: Blocked 31 hours)
Page: Oriel High School (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: 92.238.20.255 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to:
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- 19:20, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Updated content"
- 19:18, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Updated content"
- 19:16, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Deleted content"
- 19:12, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Deleted content"
- 19:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Deleted content"
Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
Comments: This IP is trying to censor information in that article --Expert on all topics (talk) 19:26, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Blocked – for a period of 31 hours Widr (talk) 19:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- I undid that block and restored it because simply removing the block isn't really an option in response to actually disruptive editing, but the IP editor's behavior wasn't the main issue in this edit war. I'll send warnings around to people who should know better. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
Kelvintjy reported by User:Raoul mishima (Result: Stale)
Page: Political dissidence in the Empire of Japan
User being reported: Kelvintjy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Political_dissidence_in_the_Empire_of_Japan&oldid=1217491179
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Political_dissidence_in_the_Empire_of_Japan&oldid=1227039793
- https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Political_dissidence_in_the_Empire_of_Japan&oldid=1229865081
- https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Political_dissidence_in_the_Empire_of_Japan&oldid=1230019964
- https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Political_dissidence_in_the_Empire_of_Japan&oldid=1230184562
Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: See July 24th 2024 https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Kelvintjy
Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: See "Biased" https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Political_dissidence_in_the_Empire_of_Japan
Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Kelvintjy
Comments:
Hello the user Kelvintjy has been engaged in another war last summer and was banned from the Soka Gakkai page. He's been pursuing an edit war on the Dissidence page too without daring give explanations on the talk page though he was invited to do it many times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raoul mishima (talk • contribs) 19:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- Stale Bbb23 (talk) 20:03, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Bbb23 you blocked this user from the page Soka Gakkai in Aug. 2024 for the same reasons. Raoul mishima (talk) 12:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
I don't understand the user always keep targeting me. I am more of a silence contributor. I had seen how the complainant had argue with other contributor in other talk page and after a while the complainant stay silent and not touching certain topic and instead keep making edit on articles related to Soka Gakkai or Daisaku Ikeda. Now, he is making a lot of edit on Soka Gakkai International. Kelvintjy (talk) 05:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
User:Ergzay reported by User:CommunityNotesContributor (Result: 1RR imposed on article)
Page: Elon Musk (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Ergzay (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Previous version reverted to:
Diffs of the user's reverts:
- 18:31, 21 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270884092 by RodRabelo7 (talk) Reverting for user specifying basically WP:IDONTLIKETHIS as their reasoning"
- 18:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270880207 by EF5 (talk) I believe you have reverted this edit in error so I am adding it back. Rando tweet from a random organization? The Anti-defamation league is cited elsewhere in this article and this tweet was in the article previously. I simply copy pasted it from a previous edit. ADL is a trusted source in the perennial source list WP:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Anti-Defamation_League"
- 17:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270877579 by EF5 (talk) Removing misinformation"
- 17:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270854942 by Citing (talk) Discussion ongoing and it's incorrect as well"
- 23:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Revert, this is not the purpose of the short description"
- 22:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC) "Undid revision 1270715109 by Fakescientist8000 (talk) Elon is not a multinational"
Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:
- 17:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC) "Warning: Three-revert rule on Elon Musk." (edit: corrected diff)
Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:
- 18:32, 21 January 2025 (UTC) "stop edit warring now or it all goes to ANI" (edit: added diff, fix date)
Comments:
Breach of WP:3RR (added comment after 18:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC) comment added below). CNC (talk) 18:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
User:CommunityNotesContributor seems to be making a mistake here as several of those edits were of different content. You can't just list every single revert and call it edit warring. And the brief edit warring that did happen stopped as I realized I was reverting the wrong thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Elon_Musk&diff=prev&oldid=1270879523 Ergzay (talk) 18:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Read the bright read box at WP:3RR (. O3000, Ret. (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Objective3000 So let me get this straight, you're saying making unrelated reverts of unrelated content in a 24 hour period hits 3RR? You sure you got that right? As people violate that one all the darn time. Never bothered to report people as it's completely innocent. If you're heavily involved on a page and reverting stuff you'll hit that quick and fast for a rapidly updated page. Ergzay (talk) 18:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:3RR:
An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period.
– Muboshgu (talk) 19:01, 21 January 2025 (UTC)- Well TIL on that one as that's the first time I've ever heard of that use case and I've been on this site for 15+ years. 3RR in every use I've ever seen it is about back and forth reverting of the _same content_ within a short period of time. It's a severe rule break where people are clearly edit warring the same content back and forth. Reverting unrelated content on the page (edits that are often clearly vandalism-like edits, like the first two listed) would never violate 3RR in my experience. Ergzay (talk) 19:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'd honestly love an explanation on that rule as I can't figure out why it makes sense. You don't want to limit people's ability to fix vandalism on a fast moving page. Ergzay (talk) 19:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:3RR:
There are certain exemptions to the three-revert rule, such as reverting vandalism or clear violations of the policy on biographies of living persons
. – RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC)- No I mean even in the wider sense. Like why does it make sense to limit the ability to revert unrelated content on the same page? I can't figure out why that would make sense. The 3RR page doesn't explain that. Ergzay (talk) 19:13, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Vandalism is an exemption. But vandalism has a narrow definition. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- WP:3RR:
- WP:3RR:
- @Objective3000 So let me get this straight, you're saying making unrelated reverts of unrelated content in a 24 hour period hits 3RR? You sure you got that right? As people violate that one all the darn time. Never bothered to report people as it's completely innocent. If you're heavily involved on a page and reverting stuff you'll hit that quick and fast for a rapidly updated page. Ergzay (talk) 18:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Should be added, that I was in the process of reverting my own edit after the above linked comment, but someone reverted it before I could get to it.
- The 18:12 edit was me undoing what was presumed to be a mistaken change by EF5 that I explained in my edit comment as they seemed to think that "some random twitter account" was being used as a source. That revert was not reverted. The 18:31 edit was a revert of an "i don't like it" edit that someone else made, it was not a revert of a revert of my own change. Ergzay (talk) 19:17, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Frankly, I thought your characterization of IDONTLIKEIT in your edit summary was improper and was thinking of reverting you, but didn't want to be a part of what I thought was your edit war. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- We can agree to disagree, but the reasons I called it IDONTLIKEIT was because the person who was reverted described the ADL, who is on the perennial sources list as being reliable, in their first edit description with the wording "LMAO, this is as trustworthy as Fox News" followed by "cannot see the pertinence of this" after another editor restored the content with a different source, which is the edit I reverted. Ergzay (talk) 19:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Looks like you have seven reverts in two days in a CTOP. I've even seen admins ask someone else to revert instead of violating a revert rule themselves. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- What is a CTOP? Ergzay (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- A CTOP is a WP:CTOP. RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:59, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- What is a CTOP? Ergzay (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Looks like you have seven reverts in two days in a CTOP. I've even seen admins ask someone else to revert instead of violating a revert rule themselves. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- We can agree to disagree, but the reasons I called it IDONTLIKEIT was because the person who was reverted described the ADL, who is on the perennial sources list as being reliable, in their first edit description with the wording "LMAO, this is as trustworthy as Fox News" followed by "cannot see the pertinence of this" after another editor restored the content with a different source, which is the edit I reverted. Ergzay (talk) 19:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Frankly, I thought your characterization of IDONTLIKEIT in your edit summary was improper and was thinking of reverting you, but didn't want to be a part of what I thought was your edit war. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:26, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- In Ergzay's defense some of these reverts do seem to be covered under BLP, but many do not and I am concerned about the battleground attitude that Ergzay is taking. The edit summaries "Discussion ongoing and it's incorrect as well" and "Removing misinformation" also seems to be getting into righting great wrongs territory as the coverage happened whether you agree with the analysis or not. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Horse Eye's Back Thanks but at this point things are too heated and people are so confident Musk is some kind of Nazi now nothing I say is gonna change anything. It's not worth the mental exhaustion I spent over the last few hours. So I probably won't be touching the page or talk page again for several days at least unless I get pinged. The truth will come out eventually, just like the last several tempest in a teapots on the Elon Musk page that eventually got corrected. Misplaced Pages is gonna be Misplaced Pages. Ergzay (talk) 21:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages is gonna be Misplaced Pages.
If your argument is that Misplaced Pages is wrong about things and you have to come in periodically to fix it; that’s not an argument that works very well on an administrative noticeboard -- and certainly not a good argument here at AN3. O3000, Ret. (talk) 22:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Horse Eye's Back Thanks but at this point things are too heated and people are so confident Musk is some kind of Nazi now nothing I say is gonna change anything. It's not worth the mental exhaustion I spent over the last few hours. So I probably won't be touching the page or talk page again for several days at least unless I get pinged. The truth will come out eventually, just like the last several tempest in a teapots on the Elon Musk page that eventually got corrected. Misplaced Pages is gonna be Misplaced Pages. Ergzay (talk) 21:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Based on the comment in response to the notification for this discussion,
"I've been brought to ANI many times in the past. Never been punished for it"
, I was quite surprised to see that the editor didn't acquire an understanding of 3RR when previously warned for edit warring in 2020. That's sometime ago granted, but additionally a lack of awareness of CTOP, when there is an edit notice at Musk's page regarding BLP policy, is highly suggestive of WP:NOTGETTINGIT. This in addition to the 3RR warning that was ignored, followed by continuing to revert other editors, and eventually arguing that it must be because I am wrong. If there is an essay based on "Everyone else must be wrong because I'm always right" I'd very much like to read it. As for this report, I primarily wanted to nip the edit war in the bud which appears to have worked for now, given the talk page warning failed to achieve anything. I otherwise remain concerned about the general WP:NOTHERE based indicators; disruptive editing, battleground attitude, and lack of willingness to collaborate with other editors in a civil manner. CNC (talk) 23:55, 21 January 2025 (UTC)- I have decided, under CTOPS and mindful of the current situation regarding the article subject, a situation that I think we can agree is unlikely to change anytime soon and is just going to attract more contentious editing, that the best resolution here, given that some of Ergzay's reverts are concededly justified on BLP grounds and that he genuinely seems ignorant of the provision in 3RR that covers all edits (a provision that, since he still wants to know, is in response to certain battleground editors in the past who would keep reverting different material within the same 24 hours so as to comply with the letter, but not the spirit, of 3RR (In other words, another case of why we can't have nice things)) is to put the article under 1RR. It will be duly logged at CTOPS. Daniel Case (talk) 00:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)