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== Expert editors == == Expert editors ==
I am a professional biographer, specializing in biographies of obscure persons of local historical note, as such I claim qualification as an on matters of Local History Biography. Let me quote the No original research page: I am a professional biographer, specializing in biographies of obscure persons of local historical note, as such I claim qualification as an on matters of Local History and Biography. Let me quote the No original research page:
'"No original research" does not prohibit experts on a specific topic from adding their knowledge to Misplaced Pages. On the contrary, Misplaced Pages welcomes the contributions of experts, as long as their knowledge is verifiable. We assume, however, that someone is an expert not only because of their personal and direct knowledge of a topic, but also because of their knowledge of published sources on a topic. This policy prohibits expert editors from drawing on their personal and direct knowledge if such knowledge is unverifiable. If an expert editor has published the results of his or her research elsewhere, in a reputable publication, the editor can cite that source while writing in the third person and complying with our NPOV policy. They must cite reliable, third-party publications and may not use their unpublished knowledge, which would be impossible to verify. We hope expert editors will draw on their knowledge of published sources to enrich our articles, bearing in mind that specialists do not occupy a privileged position within Misplaced Pages.' ] 17:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC) '"No original research" does not prohibit experts on a specific topic from adding their knowledge to Misplaced Pages. On the contrary, Misplaced Pages welcomes the contributions of experts, as long as their knowledge is verifiable. We assume, however, that someone is an expert not only because of their personal and direct knowledge of a topic, but also because of their knowledge of published sources on a topic. This policy prohibits expert editors from drawing on their personal and direct knowledge if such knowledge is unverifiable. If an expert editor has published the results of his or her research elsewhere, in a reputable publication, the editor can cite that source while writing in the third person and complying with our NPOV policy. They must cite reliable, third-party publications and may not use their unpublished knowledge, which would be impossible to verify. We hope expert editors will draw on their knowledge of published sources to enrich our articles, bearing in mind that specialists do not occupy a privileged position within Misplaced Pages.' ] 17:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


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Per these statements, I am removing any "outside comment" from my talk page that I don't like as wiki policy (see Wiki:Vandalism) states quite clearly that a user "may remove any outside comment from their own talk pages at their OWN discretion" (added emphasis). ] 17:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC) Per these statements, I am removing any "outside comment" from my talk page that I don't like as wiki policy (see Wiki:Vandalism) states quite clearly that a user "may remove any outside comment from their own talk pages at their OWN discretion" (added emphasis). ] 17:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


== Randolph == == You are now a Reviewer ==

Hi: don't be so pessimistic; it might be a great article!--] 23:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== underconstruction ==

My apologies. Have you thought of using an {{tl|underconstruction}} template? PS I did not flag it--] 23:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

:You're very welcome. All friends here.--] 00:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

You marked a couple of facts in this article with the template 'citation needed'. Since both of these details were really relevant to other people rather than to Agnes, I have added the necessary citations at ], checked that citations were already there at ], and supplied cross-references in the Agnes footnotes to both these articles. OK? ] 16:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
== Opening style ==

You may want to review ], because I have fixed 3 articles you have started in this regard. Please a) bold the name of the title by surrounding it with triple apostrophes b) make sure the opening sentence is a complete sentence. Your openings have lacked verbs. In general, if you are confused, you can always look at other articles and see what most of them are doing. Hope this helps.--] 21:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

== blogs as sources ==

Since you participated in the discussion I'd like to point you to this newly created page ] to further continue the discussion we started over at ].--] 21:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== my wikipedia entry ==

Dear wjhonson,

I notice that you created a Misplaced Pages entry for me; thank you for your efforts. I also noticed that there's much discussion of taking it down.

For what it's worth, you appear to be working from a rather old CV. I can provide a newer one if you contact me at j.corvino@wayne.edu.

Also, probably more noteworthy than my publications is that I have spoken to over 100 campus audiences (outside of my own university) on gay and lesbian issues, and that I regularly debate Glenn Stanton of Focus on the Family.

Anyway, regardless of what happens to the entry, thanks again for your efforts.

John Corvino

== WikiProject Biography July Newsletter ==

The ''']''' of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. ] 08:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

== What is CofS ==

Just an acronym for Church of Scientology.--] 17:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

== Benjamin Freedman ==

No problem. You're the one doing the real writing. I'm just a janitor. :-) --] ] 04:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you WJ, I have corrected that Curtis Roosevelt error, and thank you for all your contributions to this and other articals that I note you have credit for contributing to.
Humanity needs more fair minded people like yourself. -] 05:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

there are some big changes comming, we have been saying it since th 1990's we will see..-] 05:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

== Your comments on Catholicism and Freemasonry ==

Thanks for responding to the RFC at ]... Question: ... just so I am clear. Are you saying that a) the Remnant is unreliable, b) the article in the Remnant is unreliable, or c) the web-based copy of the article in the Remnant is unreliable? ] 20:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

== Re: Acadamenorth ==

The problem here is that the warning was removed about 20 minutes after I left it. That's not a sufficient amount of time. --''']]]''' <small>]</small> 23:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's why I started with a low-level warning instead of going straight to "this is your last warning". I've had problems with him, but I'm not going to be that harsh. :P --''']]]''' <small>]</small> 00:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

== jesus ==

hold off on doing anything on the Jesus talk page until we work this out with Andrew on our Project page, thanks! ] 15:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== Biography Newsletter August 2006 ==

The ''']''' of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. ] 01:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

==FYI Mega Society Judgement==
As you may have heard the Mega Society article was deleted awhile ago, at the end of an acrimonious AfD/DRV process. There is a wide divergence between deletion ''policy'' (as defined by various policy guideline documents) and deletion ''practice'', as implemented by admins (who claim to be following the "spirit" of the law). Consequently there are lessons to be learnt from the experience, which will not be obvious from reading the guidelines. Here are some tips for future conduct:

*Single purpose users are frowned upon and were a frequent bone of contention during the AfD and DRV processes. So I urge you all to "establish" yourself as Wikipedians: create, edit and even ... delete articles! There are plenty of articles that need attention.
*It is a ''very'' good idea to put something on your user page, (it doesn't matter what) to avoid showing up as redlinked users -- being redlinked will count against you in any debate.
*When voting, include ''brief'' reasons which are grounded in policy (votes not backed by reasoning may be discounted; too much reasoning will be ignored).

Given the bias against soliciting (see judgement) I may not be able to contact you again, so I suggest you put the ] in your watchlists.
The closing admin's comments on the Mega Society:

:Within the argumentation of the debate, the most significant point raised by those who supported the article was that a new draft was available. The article is not protected, so this may be posted at any time and (assuming it is not substantially similiar to the older version) it will be judged anew on its merits. This is good news for you.

:The bad news for you is that it is well-established practice within Misplaced Pages to ignore completely floods of newer, obviously "single-issue POV", contributors at all our deletion fora. I'm among the most "process-wonkish" of Wikipedians, believe me, and even process-wonks accept that these sorts of voters are completely discountable. Misplaced Pages is not a pure democracy; though consensus matters, the opinion of newcomers unfamiliar with policy is given very little weight. Your vote, that of Tim Shell, and that wjhonson were not discounted. The others supporting your view were. I promise you that it is almost always true that, within Misplaced Pages, any argument supported by a flood of new users will lose, no matter how many of the new users make their voices known. In the digital age, where sockpuppeting and meatpuppeting are as easy as posting to any message board, this is as it should be for the sake of encyclopedic integrity. It is a firm practice within Misplaced Pages, and it is what every policy and guideline mean to imply, however vaguely they may be worded. (I do agree that our policies, written by laypeople mostly, could do with a once-over from an attorney such as myself; however, most laypeople hate lawyers, so efforts to tighten wording are typically met with dissent.)

:If your supporters were more familiar with Misplaced Pages, they would realize that, invariably, the most effective way to establish an article after it has been deleted in a close AfD is to rewrite it: make it "<s>faster<s>, better, stronger." This is, in fact, what you claim to have done with your draft. Good show. Best wishes, ] 16:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

So the outcome was not entirely negative, although I was disappointed by the admin's rather cavalier approach evidenced by the response to my enquiry:

:.... why did you discount the votes of, say, ] or ]? They are not new users, nor did I solicit them. I presume by Tim Shell you mean Tim Smith? ...... --] <sup>]</sup> 16:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

to which I received this rather off-hand reply:

:User:GregorB offered a very brief comment not supported by policy. User:Canon did take the time to offer analysis at DRV, but he had been among the first voters at the AfD to offer a mere "Keep" without explanation; therefore, I assumed he had been solicited by someone. Best wishes, ] 15:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

which didn't fill me with confidence about Wiki-"due process".

Anyway, my grumpiness aside, the Mega Society article, is presently under userfied open-development at ], and will reappear at some point, when (hopefully) some of the ill-feeling evidenced during the debate has cooled. I am very heartened by the article's continued development, and by the development of associated articles. Thanks for everyone's help!

--] <sup>]</sup> 14:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

== Wikiproject ==

Hey, I just created a WikiProject for Eastern Washington, and since you have made some edits on the spokane page, and the samuel havermale page, I thought you might be interested and able to help with the project. Please check it out by clicking on my name, the link is on my userpage.
Thanks ] 05:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

== WikiProject Eastern Washington ==

Thanks for adding your name to the list of contributors on the temporary project page. Me and alexandermiller felt that we had enough support to move forward and start an official project. you can find it at http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_EasternWA it may take a day or two for the project to be fully up and running, thanks for your help!] 07:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Haughty ==
Xoloz was accused of being haughty recently. I'm offended that no one has called me haughty. I mean really !! ] 06:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

== Biased? ==

On that question, you might be! ;) ] 15:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

== Your Creation of ] ==
Hi {{PAGENAME}}, The Article you just wrote, ], has been tagged for ], because the article is about a person who ]. If you wish to contest this place <nowiki>{{hangon}}</nowiki> on the article, and the reason on the talk page. Thanks!--]|]|<font color="green">]</font>|<small>]</small> 07:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

== Genealogy of Jesus and ] ==

Thanks for your work on Genealogy of Jesus. The user that inserted the commentary that you reverted has been working on ]. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind taking a look at those edits there as well. I feel that interpretations and POV are not being presented neutrally, however I would enjoy any other editors take on this before I get revert happy. Thanks for your consideration.--] 04:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for taking the time to look it over. I think its fine to present POVs if they are cited and presented in a manner. However, there is a difference between saying "X states Y belief" and "The proper way to interpret the bible is Y" without any further qualification. Gary seems to be on a POV mission to make certain articles reflect his personal POV without keeping in mind OR and NPOV. I think I'll leave a note on his talk page to try and inform on some of these policies. Thanks again.--] 05:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

::Oh, I see you beat me to the punch. :)--] 05:42, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

:::I wanted to thank you again for taking a look at these pages and reverting what we both agree to be inappropriate edits. I'm sorry that it has resulted in the wrath of an editor aimed towards you. --] 01:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

::::You're welcome Andrew. I actually find it amusing that I'm evidently a member of the secret homosexual wikiforce formed to stamp out all orthodox Christian viewpoints. Or thereabouts. I wish I'd known earlier, I guess the grand-poobah forgot to notify me. Oh well, back to more of my evil plan. ] 01:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

== UE ==

UE = unencyclopedic, either in style or as violative of ] - <b>]</b><small> ]/]</small> 18:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

== Gary Sellars==
I am 52 and have been a believer in Jesus Christ since 1972 when Jesus gave me in a vision the Gospel in picture and then spoke to me and told me He wanted me.

Your removing my posts and restoring the old ones was NOT consistent with the heading. Those old posts would be welcome in many places but they are MISPLACED on THIS page.
I am new to this and definitely can use instruction and guidance, however, the heading on the page, clearly and without equivocation or ambiguity says, "Christian Views of Jesus." While there are unquestionably differences in views between Christians, and the Bible strongly supports this in Romans 14, this page was full of, not different Christian views, but views of non-believers. You may be an editor, but I am a bona fide, blood bought Christian and an authority on what constitutes a Christian and can support every position I have with Scripture (according to the parameters which the Bible requires) and much of the stuff that was on this page was NOT legitimate Christian perspective. Rejecting ANY part of Scripture CANNOT be supported with ANY SCRIPTURE and the Scripture is the determining factor of what constitutes Christianity, not your opinion or mine. I'll be glad to discuss, help, learn, etc., and I hope that I show due humility in doing so, but the place for MUCH of the stuff that was on here, that you replaced, was NOT Christian and would be placed better on another page since, again, the heading CLEARLY says this page is for CHRISTIAN VIEWS. You said this was not the place for opinion, but that is not entirely correct as "view" and "opinion" can easily by synonyms. Regardless, this is the place for differing CHRISTIAN VIEWS, not a mixture of Christian and non-Christian views. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christian and that is evidenced by a simple and casual perusal of their literature and comparing it to Scripture and I am able to do that and would be glad to give you the evidence if you think you need it. In response to Mormonism, the most evident Scripture that repudiates it is Gal 1:6-9 which I'll give you here in the KJV.

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

It is no secret that Joseph Smith claims his "gospel" came from an angel. Neither is it a secret that "have preached" is past tense, both in Greek and English. Therefore, it necessarily follows that a "gospel" delivered 1800 years later falls under this curse that Paul uttered. What you may or may not know is that the Greek word "other" in the passage I just quoted can be accurately translated "other than or more than." All these facts mean that my saying Mormonism isn't Christian isn't my opinion. Mormonism violates Scripture in many other places which is also easily demonstrated. It's easy for the Biblically ignorant or those that deny the authority of Scripture to claim I'm giving opinion, but if my "opinion" can be demonstrated (to an unbiased examiner) to be the plain teaching of Scripture, then the appeal to an outside source that masquerades as a Biblical authority (that has rejected the authority of Scripture as Raymond Brown has) is not legitimate. I'm appealing to your reason and logic here since you claim those to be strengths.

Again, I remind you: The heading on the page ISN'T "Views of Jesus" but "Christian Views of Jesus." The non-Christian perspectives need to be moved to another page.


Regards,

Gary Sellars

You are welcome to call me to discuss this if you wish. 281-973-4020

== NPOV ==

Under the heading of "Christian Views of Jesus" NPOV would necessarily include opinions it seems. Perhaps someone made a serious violation of Misplaced Pages policy by making this page in the first place and you simply failed to catch it. I don't know. What I do know is the the statement, "Christians see many passages in the Gospels and other parts of the New Testament as debating the divinity of Jesus Christ. Raymond E. Brown discussed the issue in Does the NT call Jesus God?" is in no way shape or form a legitimate posting on this page as those who question the divinity are NOT Christians. The posting of this shows YOUR OPINION (that sentence), which is CONTRARY to ALL ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY, is acceptable to post, but not opinions contrary to what you believe. How can I think anything else? What is your basis of authority of what is a Christian? It seems that you think the Bible is not the authority, but the opinions of men who were born hundreds of years after its completion. You're welcome to explain, but remember, I'm not a novice to logic myself and I have done my homework.

Allow me to make some more statements regarding the posts that I edit/removed. What was posted on this page, that I removed was not Christian. It had the familiar ring of homosexual activists who delight in twisting the clear teaching of Scripture, and yes, I can show and tell you where they are and what they say and they are NOT the OT Scriptures that the homosexuals spend so much time repudiating, yet they are plain and clear, again, to the UNBIASED.

I say again: This page says "Christian Views of Jesus." This was NOT the page for homosexuals or any other person who wants to twist Scripture to say what they wish it says to espouse their views and pretend that those views are Christian. Those views have MANY OUTLETS, INCLUDING MANY on Misplaced Pages. THIS PAGE was dedicated to a *Christian* view and I GAVE IT AND YOU REMOVED IT. Your NPOV is not so neutral.

:And Gary as I told you on your own talk page. The page may be for "Christian" views, but it is not for YOUR Christian views. Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox. ] 02:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Gary. I'm sure you are trying to abide by the standards of this encyclopaedia, but one standard is "personal opinions have no place here". Hopefully you can understand that. The "Christian views" pages is not for your own personal views, but rather for cited statements from reliable, secondary, published sources. You can read the pages at WP:NPOV and WP:V to see what sort of things are allowed and not. Wjhonson 02:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Baloney. The crap you had posted was not only NOT "reliable" by ANY ORTHODOX DEFINITION OF CHRISTIANITY but is and has the personal spin of thousands of homosexuals who reject the moral commands of Scripture and are doing their best to CHANGE SOCIETY into the image they want it and you're determined to help them do it while you lie and pretend you want "reliable" sources. What you have posted is a complete misrepresentation of what Jesus taught and ''would not'' withstand scrutiny by ''any'' unbiased and knowledgeable third party. Your hypocrisy is duly noted.


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Forget it. It's perfectly clear that this is YOUR soapbox and your pride in your politically correct reasoning is ludicrous. When and if you ever ''really'' want a "Christian View" let me know. You have my contact information. I won't hold my breath.
Hello. Your account has been granted the "{{mono|reviewer}}" userright, allowing you to ] on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, is currently undergoing a ] scheduled to end 15 August 2010.


Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not ] to articles placed under pending changes. Pending changes is applied to only ], similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial. The list of articles with pending changes awaiting review is located at ].
Your "Christian Views" is a page of fraud, being twisted to the homosexual's perverted spin of Christianity.


When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious ] or ], and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see ]). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found ].
Honor you have not, sir.


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:Okay well, aren't you a fine example of a Christian now. Preaching but not listening. I think your words speak for themselves, "You shall know them by their fruit." And by the way, it's not my page, its the page. I didn't create it. In fact until you appeared, I'd never even heard of this page. It was created by many other editors as you can see from the history, should you care to look. And I'll be awaiting your apology. ] 06:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


== Hawthorne ==
== Your using Misplaced Pages to promote your own agenda. ==


I removed the fact tag you added for ]. It is fairly well-known that Hawthorne himself changed the spelling of his last name. A source is already provided in the article; the lede does not need to have its own source. If what's in the article isn't enough, I'd be happy to find more sources. --] (]) 01:49, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Reading your discussion page, I see I'm not the first to accuse you of using Misplaced Pages to promote the homosexual agenda. Correction. He refused to accuse you of doing "maliciously." No wonder the "Christian Views" page so misrepresents Christianity. I'm sure it will continue to do so as long as you have the power to censor.
:This is a well-known fact in New England history. I'd also be happy to supply sources as well. ] (]) 02:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
::Here's a source: Hawthorne's own signature while a student at ]. Notice he spells his name Hathorne in this early instance. ] (]) 02:26, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


"Fairly well-known" is not how Misplaced Pages works. We work by the use of actual sources which readers can verify. The source provided does not state what the article is claiming that it states. Please quote the exact words the source uses. "Well-known fact" is not a sufficient source. His signature is not a source for whether he changed it as opposed to anyone else, and it's not a source for why he might have changed it. Speculation or claims of why he or anyone else changed it are original research and an exact quote from a source needs to be used to back up a claim of that sort. ] (]) 12:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Homosexuals are such hypocrites about censorship. I'm sure you have the language skills to call it by at least a dozen different names that make is sound appropriate. Keep kidding yourself.<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 08:10, 14 August 2006.</small>


==Conflict escalation==
== The different Steve Hellers ==
Your actions are inflammatory. You do not understand the situation, so you pour gasoline on it? That does not speak well of your ability to remain an admin in my opinion.] (]) 00:56, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:I do not see ''my'' actions as inflammatory. We were having a discussion a month ago. You are the one who left in the middle of it; for you to ignore that and restore the links with a note that says "do not revert without discussion" seems extraordinary, to say the least. Nevertheless, as you know, I have sought feedback. We'll see what comes of it. --] <sup>]</sup> 01:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::I see your actions as inflammatory. I explained very clearly why Genealogics is not a mirror nor a fork. You completely ignored my explanation and removed the link. That inflames the situation. That is not part of conflict resolution, that is part of conflict escalation. Address directly, exactly what I stated. And don't merely repeat that they copy, when I've pointed out several times, that they do not.] (]) 01:09, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:::You left a conversation for a full month and, ignoring the input of others, restored the links. ''Two'' editors pointed out why it will not serve at ]. That you feel it does cannot override those concerns. ''You'' should have continued the discussion before determining to restore the links. --] <sup>]</sup> 01:15, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
There was no "conversation". There was an event, which was over. Whether two or ten editors can't grasp what a mirror or fork actually is, isn't my concern, until they interfere with scholarly research like this. Address directly the issue of whether Genealogics the site, is a mirror or fork, or whether you are going to pursue your extraordinary claim that copying a single page, suddenly makes a site of hundreds of thousands of pages, into a fork.] (]) 01:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:There ''was'' a conversation; it was not an event that was over. You left the conversation with a question posed to you. If you disagreed with the opposition you received from ] and me at ], where both of us objected to the use of the link, you should have sought ] rather than returning the link to the article in the manner you did. If two editors are objecting to an action you want to take, the proper approach is to get additional feedback in the appropriate venue and manner. It is ''not'' appropriate to open a second conversation on an ongoing dispute at one noticeboard without clearly indicating what you are doing; please see our policy on ] and particularly the notes about ]. --] <sup>]</sup> 11:49, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::There was no conversation. It was an event which was over. I did not leave a conversation with a questin posed at me. There was no disagreement from two editors. There were not two editors objecting to a link. It was entirely appropriate to open a new conversation on the issue you raised, as you failed to comprehend the meaning of the language. Do not quote policy at me, that I helped write. I did clearly indicate to you that I had solicited additional feedback and I gave you, in fact, a link directly to it. Your approach in this situation has been fraught with conflict escalation and aggression. You as an admin should realize you are involved, and back away, as admins are required to do in edit conflicts in which they are involved.] (]) 19:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:::; ; . You may wish to review ]. I have not used my administrative tools or taken any administrative action in regards to the use of this link; administrators are not prohibited from involvement in content development. --] <sup>]</sup> 19:50, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::::That question was apparently rhetorical since I had already stated that the bio was copied. You didn't look at the actual page, otherwise you would have seen that the bio is only one small part of that page. A page which contains several buttons and functions you did not use, which are all germane to this conversation. You seem not aware of what genealogics is, or can do, if you think the entire page, is made up of this small portion. The bio was copied. The bio is an insignificant part of the page.] (]) 22:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::There was nothing rhetorical about that question, given that you yourself brought the copying into question: "" --] <sup>]</sup> 23:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Then I suggest you didn't actually look at the page on Genealogics at all. Otherwise you should have seen plainly that the page is not a copy of anything. One part of the page is a copy. The rest of the page is not a copy. The only possible thing I could gather from the question, was that you hadn't looked. And now as pointed out, you want to remove one of the very sources that were used to create this page in the first place. And you don't think that's troubling.] (]) 23:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


==Invitation to join WikiProject United States==
Yes, please disambiguate me from the one who writes fiction.
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== A fellow ogre and respect for womanhood ==
Thank you.<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 13:28, 14 August 2006.</small>


I enjoyed your user page and the preamble on this page immensely. Curmudgeonliness is undervalued these days. I was reminded of both Walter Matthau, and of the ruler of a rare books store where I once worked, who chain smoked a pipe. If a customer entered smoking he would roar 'PUT THAT OUT' (puff puff) -I can smoke but you can't" .
== Matthew Stadler ==


Given your prediliction for genealogy research I wanted to set you a task- finding the maiden surname and present surname of ]' first wife Pam. He maintains her surname is irrelevant and will not divulge it ].
Hullo! I've been meaning to create a Matthew Stadler page for a while now, and here you've gone and done it! Thanks. There's an article on Allan Stein that is mostly me, and I've linked to that. Should I make stubs for the other books, or do you have some text prepared already?
] 23:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


I believe it would be disrespectful to the woman, and to women in general, to fail to include it where she is mentioned.
:I don't have anything, so go ahead and do it. And you're welcome. ] 00:13, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


When men are quoted we offer them the courtesy of using their full names.We also do so generally for women with high status.So this omission could be seen as both sexist and elitist. What do you think ?--—&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 07:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
== My birth date, etc. ==


== Nomination of ] for deletion ==
Sure, no problem: I was born in 1949.


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In case you are interested in other biographical details, here are a few: I entered Shimer in 1965 after 11th grade and graduated in 1971 in absentia. I met my second (current) wife, Susan, in the process of writing "Who's Afraid of C++?", and we married in 1997. I have been the list owner of Colloquy, the internet-based high IQ society which I notice has a stub on Misplaced Pages.


The article will be discussed at ] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.
I see you have added links to some reviews of my books. There's also a (very short) editorial review on Amazon of "Who's Afraid of C++?" on this page: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0123390974/sr=8-1/qid=1155599548/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-5096013-3045753?ie=UTF8
Additionally, the full text of "C++: A Dialog" is now on my web site in HTML form, linked from this URL, which also contains the instructions for downloading the source code and the compiler used in the book: http://www.steveheller.com/cppad/cppad.htm.


Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. ] (]) 04:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Also, do you think it would be appropriate to list me as a notable graduate on the Shimer College page?


== Category:LGBT actors from the United States ==
Thanks for your efforts in getting my entry in order. Of course, I'll be happy to answer any other questions you might have.


Hi. I deleted ], which you recently created, as a ] of the category deleted by ]. If, after reading the discussion, you believe that the original decision was an error or that the category should exist, I encourage you to propose recreation of the category at ] or ] or to pursue a ] (but, first, contact the person who closed the discussion, ]). Best, -- ''']''' <sup>(])</sup> 04:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
] 23:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


==Suggestion for WikiProject United States to support WikiProject Washington==
== Colloquy ==
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==September 2011 Newsletter for ]==
Yes, I was referring to the high-IQ society by that name. I'm not a member of it anymore, even though its web pages are still on my server, because the discussions tended to get too acrimonious, and when I tried to deal with that, I became the enemy. Apparently this is not uncommon in high-IQ societies. Anyway, here's their home page on yahoo groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybele/.
{{Misplaced Pages:WikiProject United States/Newsletter/Newsletter link|September 2011}}--] (]) 02:55, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


==Deletion review for ]==
Maybe this item doesn't need to be on my bio, but that's up to you.
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Following the instructions, I'm letting you know of this Deletion Review.
:Actually, as long as your bio survives for say a week or so, I'd say you're good to go. Anything that can be verified by an independent editor, without actually contacting you, would be OK to update to your bio. The main thing is that facts have to be ], so for example, published in Who's Who or something like that. A newspaper, a reliable source website (not a personal website), a journal, a book. You can read ] to get a flavor for all the *acrimonious* (I like that word) discussions we've had on what is and is not acceptable as a source for wikinclusion. ] 00:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/Frederick_Glaysher
== Colin Spencer ==


https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2010_May_
It's still there - I just corrected the capitalisation of the surname! ] ] 04:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_September_21
::They may still be preserved in your browser. Might be worth running long edits in a sandbox until they're done to stop this sort of thing! ] ] 05:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


==December 2011 Newsletter for ]==
== Ta ==
{{Misplaced Pages:WikiProject United States/Newsletter/Newsletter link|December 2011}}--] (]) 03:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


==January 2012 Newsletter for ] and supported projects==
Thanks for creating the 'Harrison Butler' disambiguation page - I suppose I'd better create the article now (assuming Xolob will let me... :D ).
{{Misplaced Pages:WikiProject United States/Newsletter/Newsletter link|January 2012}}--] (]) 18:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


== ] ==
I don't for a minute want to get into your argument with Gary, but re point 20. on your user page - if you're excluding reported facts from the set of true statements then aren't you limiting yourself to empirical facts and tautologies? And then you've got the problem of correspondence and just tautologies :P .


Given your comment back on 2 January 2008 in ] you may be interested in ] and the changes I have made to the template that places articles into sub categories in this ]. -- ] (]) 01:26, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Also, note Freddy Ayer's point that to make the statement 'X' is equivalent to 'I assert X' or 'X is true' :P .


==Disambiguation link notification for April 4==
Seriously (I was just trying to start an argument above :) ), I do think (just MHO) that religious sensibilities deserve a little sensitivity - if the article on Jesus says that he raised the dead I think most intelligent readers (Christian or otherwise) will understand that 'raising the dead' is a mythological truth rather than a literal one - I would have thought that either stressing the unlikelihood of reanimation or trying to argue its literal truth were both pretty POVish - but having said all that I only skimmed the disputed material and don't really understand the details of your or Gary's positions...


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:I deserve to be called haughty. In fact I deserve polysyllabic words that the person of average intelligence would fail to comprehend. The argument with Gary wasn't really on point 20, rather it was on point.... "Do not preach". I guess I didn't actually cover that point since I really hadn't the impression that someone would actually try it. But really, saying things like "Christians who don't agree with me are condemned to everlasting hellfire" is prehaps going a bit far. I'm a bit more ambivalent on whether or not I'm a member of a global homosexual conspiracy bent on the destruction of Western civilization. I feel that, if correct, that might add a bit of mystery to my haughty persona. ] 18:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


::Ok, just I have a thing on mythological truth vs. literal truth :) .


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We regard MPs here as always notable by ]. And even if we did not have that very well-established guideline, saying someone is in that sort of position is certainly and unmistakably a claim of importance. Even a bare claim or indication of importance, such as that he ran for MP but was not elected, would be enough to defeat Speedy A7. See ] and its talk p. for why that speedy criterion is deliberately very permissive. ''']''' (]) 17:18, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


::How's this? You are ] and ] you stalk the house ranting while your friends cringe. "Kripes, nuts, phooey! Cancel my rhumba lesson!" From the bedroom closet you operate a huge network of computers, sending out incantations, curses, voodoo hoodoo! You've been called an evil genius by assholes (but those people are on your list.) The truth is, you're one of the world's last great ''medieval thinkers!'' Your plans have all been worked out quite methodically... logically... (but the ends justify the means)..he he! This user space is all part of the plan, so '''kitchee-koo YOU BASTARDS!''' (adapted from R. ]) ] 19:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


Hello. Just a polite reminder that if you nominate a page for deletion, you should inform the page's creator. You might also want to read ], where it states that a member of a national legislature, e.g. Parliament of England, is inherently notable. Best wishes, ] (]) 10:55, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Whoops! Sorry, didn't notice you editing the Butler thing! Yes, the descriptions probably do go better after rather than under. Will now try adding pics... ] 19:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


Sorry, just seen above and realised part of my message was a repeat of another editor's. ] (]) 10:56, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
== Gay or bi. ==


== Speedy deletion declined: ] ==
Exactly. We don't need to point out that someone is gayon a list of lGBT people. Obviously, the bisexuals need to be labelled but the gay men on that list don't. Which is why I removed unnecessary "gays" in line with the rest of the list. ] 19:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello Wjhonson. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of ], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''No reason given.''' Thank you. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> ''']'''</span> ] 19:54, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
:If I saw a name like Pat Roberts, I would assume they were homosexual, regardless of gender. And that's all that matters. If you want to know their gender, you read the article! The reason "gay" is not added is because everyone on the list IS gay(and where they aren't THEN you specify), so it looks messy. ] 22:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


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A relisting is required unless the consensus to restore is 75-80%, according to ]. Technically, the article barely had the margin needed to restore, although I would have done whatever necessary to get another hearing here, because the woman is notable. Best wishes, ] 15:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


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As it happens, my family has a long and cruel history of this: my grandfather practiced "cat-punting" as a sport, a problem exacerbated by his history of alcoholism. :) The neighbors just loved him! Best wishes, ] 16:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


==Categorization== == Heads up ==
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I dont want to raise any major lynch mobs, but at least your email has been compromised and possibly other accounts you have. I just got a fairly obvious spam message from you. ] (]) 16:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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:Thanks. I've now changed my password.] (]) 17:42, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the 'H B Assoc' heading from the disambiguation page - its all in the article, so doesn't seem to need its own heading. ] 11:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


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What? didn't you like long character assination plus 2 insults (nefarious (reminds me of a scene from 'Moonlighting') and mercurial)!?! It's adaptpted from the inside front cover of Zap #1 by R. Crumb - in the final frame the speaker is doing mime as if holding a small thing between forefinger and thumb - thats what 'kitchee koo thou bastards' refers to, ie he's got his victims right where he wants them - although it may look a little incongrous....especially in bold...


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== For Your Efforts == == ] ==


I know I didn't cite a source Will. But there isn't a single citation for any fact in the surrounding sections! Why single out mine? It actually is a fact but it is really covered by the OR rule. You can check page 119 of Dodnash Priory Charters which recounts a charter of 4 April 1336 concerning Thomas Brotherton which mentions his late wife Alice and his present wife Mary.
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The book : Harper-Bill, Christopher, ed.. Dodnash Priory Charters. Suffolk, England: Boydell, 1998
Good job defusing the Steve Heller situation at DRV. :) Best wishes, ] 15:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


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I removed the tag, Will, because I placed a notice on the whole section. There are no citations for any of it. There is no need to put tags on each phrase. ] (]) 20:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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As before Will. I have placed a tag on the entire section so you don't need tags on each phrase. No one phrase of the article needs more citations than any other. As per Misplaced Pages custom, please don't revert my changes again until the matter is resolved by consensus on the article's talk page. ] (]) 21:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
You just added ] to ]. Unfortunately, it seems like AFD doesn't like being substed onto a template: any page with TotallyDispued will be ''replaced'' with an error saying that AFD needs to be substed — and there's no AFD on that page itself. Is there another way to stick the AFD tag on these pages? --] 18:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


That looks pretty close to vandalism in a fit of pique, Will! Never mind - when I get a free day I'll put it back together with a set of sources.] (]) 22:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
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== Icelandic letters (regarding your name change) ==
You have added an <nowiki>{{afd}}</nowiki> tag to ] (on the talk page). Note that afd is only for ''artcles'', not ], ], ], or any other page outside the main namespace (and ]. To see the full list, go to ]. I moved that deletion request to tfd, please use the proper deletion method for future requests. ] 18:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi, your change: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ari_Thorgilsson&diff=557597171&oldid=544347199
== Right wing people? ==


I see your point. But has there been any discussion on this? This looks wrong (to Icelanders). I was thinking of reverting this but don't want to edit war (in case there are some guidelines on this). In some pages there is an explanation for Þ or Ð. See my addition of the Icelandic name template hatnote. Maybe that should explain the letters (after clicking on it). Sufficient? Alternative spelling should be in the article though. ] (]) 16:30, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I have no opinion on the subject.


:Thank you for seeing my point, which is that in the English language version, we should use English language letters and spelling. The alternative Icelandic spelling should be mentioned in the article, and presumably in the Icelandic version it should mention the English language alternative spelling.] (]) 16:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
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::I will move the discussion to here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_%28people%29#What_to_do_about_Icelandic_people_.28letters_.C3.BE_and_.C3.B0.29.3F ] (]) 10:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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:Thanks for your support. (Sorry about kind of advertising it). ] 01:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
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This attitude of yours is pervasive. You find an online source, cut and paste it in, but demand that others produce their sources '''in writing''' before you'll even ''consider'' it. Noting that is not a personal attack. It's a personal observation from several various sources.
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the informations you added about eribon's birthdate, etc. are wrong... i do not understand why you insist on giving wrong informations!


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Do you have a french source? the data you added are not mentioned in the french version of wikipedia.
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are you sure that your sources are reliable? do you have a french source?? If not, try to find one... Do you read french?? Misplaced Pages in french does not mention any information about birthdate, and so on, since the information which have been previously given (similar to yours) was condidered questionable


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if i understand correctly, you add questionable information, without being able to check it n french sources, and then threaten people who edit out your questionable information to block them??? wikipedia in french does not agree with you!!! this may be because your source is questionable, and your information inacurrate! how can you be so sure of your data, if french articles do not agree with you about a french author! your behaviour is really amazing (to block people who do not agree with you!!!)


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why did you suppress the reference to the french version of wikipedia? not reliable in your opinion??? or because it does not consider you "truth" as reliable ??


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towards other users, but also in a neutral point of view based on your talk page.
I have seen that you was active in the ] page a while back. At the moment I'm in a
discussion with a user that do not want to remove two pictures displaying two
ethnic groups (in traditional costumes) of Eritrea in the demographics & language section. The reason why I'm not agreeing to have these
pictures on there is that Eritrea has nine official ethnic groups. I have suggested to add picture's of all of the groups
or simply remove the two existing since it is not fair to have only two groups on there.
A third option that I have suggested is to add a picture of famous Eritreans in the US diaspora since they are not representing any ethnic group.
I'm trying to reach consensus in this matter with a certain user with no success. The full discussion can be found in the Eritrea talk page.


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Yes you're threatening to block me because i question the reliability of your information (it has been questioned in france!!!). you take advantage that you can block me and that i cannot block you to impose your "truth". If your information is questioned, you block the questioner? What an amazing behaviour!!! you say that i "reverted without discussing the issue". But i did and do discuss it, and i did and do discuss your information and your behaviour!!! you should know that "respected sources" are often misleading. And several French articles about a French author are probably reliable sources... Who decide what is a "reliable source"? You??? (But i'm sure you do not read French!)


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::Once more, you're wrong, there are a lot of articles in French about Eribon. No one mentions the information you want to impose as "reliable" if not "true". Have you read it? At least try to red it??? No, i'm sure you do not read french. So you take advantage that you are able to block people who question your "truth". But i read your disucssions with other people here, and can see very well what kind of person you are!!! Such a pity for Misplaced Pages to have people like you as editors!
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Yes I read the French article. It lists NO sources, none, not one single source is listed in that article. The mere fact that you claim, without proof, that "no one mentions" is not grounds for removing a citation where the issue IS mentioned. And again it's not "my" truth, it is the cited verifiable, reliable source which states it. ] 14:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


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About the reliability of your information : you first mentioned "1952" as Eribon's birhtdate. I edited this information out, since it has been suppressed from the French version of Misplaced Pages... You then changed your mind and said "1953". So, it is that i was obvoulsy right to question the reliability or your sources!!! This birhtdate has been supressed too from the French version... Why are so sure that you are right now, since you were sure to be right before acknowledging you were wrong?? Is your motto "always wrong, never doubt" ??


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I have here another source in french stating 1952, another 1954 and another 1955... Will you add all these birthdates if i give you the source to reference them??? can i add them all, if i mention my sources (as reliable as yours), or will you block me in order to impose your views about your (new) sources, as you tried first to do with your previous one??


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And what if there is a conflict between sources? How to choose ? And who decide? Who will be entitled to choose? You, since you have the power (you seem so proud of your little ridiculous power) to block other people when they disagree with you? Or me, or other people, who are more familiar with intellectual history than you ("an expert in local history"! great!)... One of Eribon's publishser states "1955"... Why don't you follow it? (Unsigned)


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Given your Misplaced Pages credentials and your claims to being a professional historian and biographer, I am somewhat disappointed in your article on ]. While I appreciate that you have added some information, and not entirely discarded my contributions, what bothers me is your insistence on labelling a complex man as "Anti-Semite" or "Neo-Nazi" instead of representing his views and allowing the reader to decide. I can understand your opinion that Mullins is an anti-semite, and I was similarly disturbed by the statements he made in ''The Biological Jew''. He himself seems to have later felt that such claims were mistaken. In spite of these wrong-headed works, having read ''Secrets of the Federal Reserve'', I feel that Mullins has made a very important contribution, and that to label him off-hand as "Anti-Semite" and such only prevents the reader from understanding his actual views and writings. Similarly, it is unfair to simply label Ezra Pound as a "Fascist" without any evidence or explanation. You also display a tendency to accuse Mullins of "guilt by assocation" with various "Neo-Nazis" and "revisionists" like Willis Carto. I suggest to you that these associations are parenthetical to the works actually written by the author, and that his arguments deserve, like anyone else's, the benefit of an unbiased reading.


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The answer is no. If someone held a certain view for 50 years, and then realized "Hey, I've been a real a-hole for most of my life" and recanted on that view, then they don't deserve to be labelled and dismissed for having held that view. The fact is, Eustace Mullins was the first person, as far as I can find, to reveal the truth underlying Jupiter Island and the Federal Reserve Act, which, if he is right, constitutes the hijacking of our currency and our democracy. This is a significant finding, and there is not a single mention of race or religion in ''Secrets of the Federal Reserve''. My point is that the man's work stands, regardless of your labels, and that an encyclopedic article should represent the man as he is, and not debase itself to the lower instincts of those seeking blame. Mullins is not Hitler, or Mussolini. He is who he is. An encyclopedia should represent that.


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:Yes the article says "In the 1860s she began to explore faith healing and associated with Phineas Quimby. His influence on her is disputed; the Christian Science Church maintains she thought highly of him personally but ultimately disavowed his technique as more mesmerism-based than Christian. However, there are many passages in her work "Science and Health" that mirror passages in Quimby's writings." However, I'm not disputing the article content. According to ], for a link to be included it has to provide relevant information about the subject. The Quimby link doesn't appear to provide any further information about ] and in this context should be removed. ] 13:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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What are you so worked up about? Are you afraid that proper process wasn't followed to create a guideline? If so, might I point out that there is no "official" process to create guidelines, and that writing down common practice is a de facto guideline? Misplaced Pages is not a very formal system. ] 20:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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I wonder how well indeed they knew each other? also I’d love to have been a fly on the wall at the 1919 peace conference I’m getting a book soon hopefully by Edward Mandell House it's called "What really happened at Paris; the story of the Peace Conference, 1918-1919," I only found it because of a great reference tool you showed me "worldcat" I really want to read that one if you have already please don't tell me about it :) .
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I didn't create the big space, I tried to fix it. I put the photo line at the bottom of the section. Now, when I pull up my edit in history, it looks like I left a huge white space, but I swear it wasn't there when I finished the edit. And now there's a big empty space in the "First Lady" section. Buggy software I guess. &mdash; ] 03:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


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But the Protestant canon is a view held by the minority. Catholic + Orthodox > Protestant by #'s. That said, I believe the Hebrew Bibile is arranged a bit differently that the Protestant OT. Whatever the case, it is incorrect to link the HB with the OT. ] 14:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


Dear Wjhonson. Thank you so very much for your intervention on the article ]. I see now and understand that my guess for a birth year is as you say "illogical". Also the list of brothers, which you deleted, was utterly wrong. ] was not his brother but his son. My fault. I somehow got confused. I deeply apologise.
:The change you made that bothered me was using a link ; referencing both is fine, but we cannot link the two terms above. OT its own article, HB is just a couple paragraphs, and as I said, they are not the same. What Jews think about the use of "OT" doesn't seem relevant to a sentence that starts with "Christian views of Jesus...". ] 14:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


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I dared to add new lists of real brothers and sisters, which I hid in table frames. I am not sure whether your deletion was because of the brother-son confusion or because you think lists of siblings have no place in biographies. I have been criticised before for adding lists of siblings, which some users found not encyclopedic (unluckily I cannot remember now who these users were and on which article). It is true that DNB does not give such lists. However, the DNB is paper-based. I thought that such lists might be acceptable on the web when hidden (collapsed). I think I should probably hide them on all the articles where I added such lists.
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I am well aware of this. However, the ] article is not an article on the Tanakh, but appears to be solely an article on the term "Tanakh". Hence my comment that I wish there was a comprehensive article on the Tanakh/Hebrew Bible/Old Testament and not simply individual articles discussing only the terms. —] 06:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


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I am a professional biographer, specializing in biographies of obscure persons of local historical note, as such I claim qualification as an Expert Editor on matters of Local History and Biography. Let me quote the No original research page: '"No original research" does not prohibit experts on a specific topic from adding their knowledge to Misplaced Pages. On the contrary, Misplaced Pages welcomes the contributions of experts, as long as their knowledge is verifiable. We assume, however, that someone is an expert not only because of their personal and direct knowledge of a topic, but also because of their knowledge of published sources on a topic. This policy prohibits expert editors from drawing on their personal and direct knowledge if such knowledge is unverifiable. If an expert editor has published the results of his or her research elsewhere, in a reputable publication, the editor can cite that source while writing in the third person and complying with our NPOV policy. They must cite reliable, third-party publications and may not use their unpublished knowledge, which would be impossible to verify. We hope expert editors will draw on their knowledge of published sources to enrich our articles, bearing in mind that specialists do not occupy a privileged position within Misplaced Pages.' Wjhonson 17:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

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A user can blank their own talk page, see: Vandalism? from which I quote: " It is generally recognized that the user of a talk page has the right to blank it. (Deliberate repeated deletion of requests, such as of requests to be civil, is not vandalism. It is only WP:DICK.) "

And furthermore this: User Talk is Not Article Talk from which I quote: "Many users, including admins and at least two arbitrators, routinely remove comments from their Talk pages, and advertise this." At this point he quotes User talk:Neutrality which states "I archive when I feel like it. Depending on my whim, your comments may or may not be archived. The odds of not being archived are inversely proportional to the amount you annoy me. Please do not annoy me."

And again this: xxx

Per these statements, I am removing any "outside comment" from my talk page that I don't like as wiki policy (see Wiki:Vandalism) states quite clearly that a user "may remove any outside comment from their own talk pages at their OWN discretion" (added emphasis). Wjhonson 17:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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Hawthorne

I removed the fact tag you added for Nathaniel Hawthorne. It is fairly well-known that Hawthorne himself changed the spelling of his last name. A source is already provided in the article; the lede does not need to have its own source. If what's in the article isn't enough, I'd be happy to find more sources. --Midnightdreary (talk) 01:49, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

This is a well-known fact in New England history. I'd also be happy to supply sources as well. MarmadukePercy (talk) 02:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Here's a source: Hawthorne's own signature while a student at Bowdoin College. Notice he spells his name Hathorne in this early instance. MarmadukePercy (talk) 02:26, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

"Fairly well-known" is not how Misplaced Pages works. We work by the use of actual sources which readers can verify. The source provided does not state what the article is claiming that it states. Please quote the exact words the source uses. "Well-known fact" is not a sufficient source. His signature is not a source for whether he changed it as opposed to anyone else, and it's not a source for why he might have changed it. Speculation or claims of why he or anyone else changed it are original research and an exact quote from a source needs to be used to back up a claim of that sort. Wjhonson (talk) 12:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Conflict escalation

Your actions are inflammatory. You do not understand the situation, so you pour gasoline on it? That does not speak well of your ability to remain an admin in my opinion.Wjhonson (talk) 00:56, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I do not see my actions as inflammatory. We were having a discussion a month ago. You are the one who left in the middle of it; for you to ignore that and restore the links with a note that says "do not revert without discussion" seems extraordinary, to say the least. Nevertheless, as you know, I have sought feedback. We'll see what comes of it. --Moonriddengirl 01:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
I see your actions as inflammatory. I explained very clearly why Genealogics is not a mirror nor a fork. You completely ignored my explanation and removed the link. That inflames the situation. That is not part of conflict resolution, that is part of conflict escalation. Address directly, exactly what I stated. And don't merely repeat that they copy, when I've pointed out several times, that they do not.Wjhonson (talk) 01:09, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
You left a conversation for a full month and, ignoring the input of others, restored the links. Two editors pointed out why it will not serve at Talk:Anthony Paulet. That you feel it does cannot override those concerns. You should have continued the discussion before determining to restore the links. --Moonriddengirl 01:15, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

There was no "conversation". There was an event, which was over. Whether two or ten editors can't grasp what a mirror or fork actually is, isn't my concern, until they interfere with scholarly research like this. Address directly the issue of whether Genealogics the site, is a mirror or fork, or whether you are going to pursue your extraordinary claim that copying a single page, suddenly makes a site of hundreds of thousands of pages, into a fork.Wjhonson (talk) 01:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

There was a conversation; it was not an event that was over. You left the conversation with a question posed to you. If you disagreed with the opposition you received from User:Rodw and me at Talk:Anthony Paulet, where both of us objected to the use of the link, you should have sought dispute resolution rather than returning the link to the article in the manner you did. If two editors are objecting to an action you want to take, the proper approach is to get additional feedback in the appropriate venue and manner. It is not appropriate to open a second conversation on an ongoing dispute at one noticeboard without clearly indicating what you are doing; please see our policy on Misplaced Pages:Consensus and particularly the notes about forum shopping. --Moonriddengirl 11:49, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
There was no conversation. It was an event which was over. I did not leave a conversation with a questin posed at me. There was no disagreement from two editors. There were not two editors objecting to a link. It was entirely appropriate to open a new conversation on the issue you raised, as you failed to comprehend the meaning of the language. Do not quote policy at me, that I helped write. I did clearly indicate to you that I had solicited additional feedback and I gave you, in fact, a link directly to it. Your approach in this situation has been fraught with conflict escalation and aggression. You as an admin should realize you are involved, and back away, as admins are required to do in edit conflicts in which they are involved.Wjhonson (talk) 19:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Editor one; editor two; unanswered question. You may wish to review WP:INVOLVED. I have not used my administrative tools or taken any administrative action in regards to the use of this link; administrators are not prohibited from involvement in content development. --Moonriddengirl 19:50, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
That question was apparently rhetorical since I had already stated that the bio was copied. You didn't look at the actual page, otherwise you would have seen that the bio is only one small part of that page. A page which contains several buttons and functions you did not use, which are all germane to this conversation. You seem not aware of what genealogics is, or can do, if you think the entire page, is made up of this small portion. The bio was copied. The bio is an insignificant part of the page.Wjhonson (talk) 22:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
There was nothing rhetorical about that question, given that you yourself brought the copying into question: "The fact that it cites Misplaced Pages does not indicate it is an automatic copy." --Moonriddengirl 23:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Then I suggest you didn't actually look at the page on Genealogics at all. Otherwise you should have seen plainly that the page is not a copy of anything. One part of the page is a copy. The rest of the page is not a copy. The only possible thing I could gather from the question, was that you hadn't looked. And now as pointed out, you want to remove one of the very sources that were used to create this page in the first place. And you don't think that's troubling.Wjhonson (talk) 23:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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I believe it would be disrespectful to the woman, and to women in general, to fail to include it where she is mentioned.

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I dont want to raise any major lynch mobs, but at least your email has been compromised and possibly other accounts you have. I just got a fairly obvious spam message from you. Werieth (talk) 16:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I've now changed my password.Wjhonson (talk) 17:42, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thomas Brotherton

I know I didn't cite a source Will. But there isn't a single citation for any fact in the surrounding sections! Why single out mine? It actually is a fact but it is really covered by the OR rule. You can check page 119 of Dodnash Priory Charters which recounts a charter of 4 April 1336 concerning Thomas Brotherton which mentions his late wife Alice and his present wife Mary.

The book : Harper-Bill, Christopher, ed.. Dodnash Priory Charters. Suffolk, England: Boydell, 1998

is available on Ancestry

Doug (at Wiki) 22:35, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I removed the tag, Will, because I placed a notice on the whole section. There are no citations for any of it. There is no need to put tags on each phrase. Doug (at Wiki) 20:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

As before Will. I have placed a tag on the entire section so you don't need tags on each phrase. No one phrase of the article needs more citations than any other. As per Misplaced Pages custom, please don't revert my changes again until the matter is resolved by consensus on the article's talk page. Doug (at Wiki) 21:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

That looks pretty close to vandalism in a fit of pique, Will! Never mind - when I get a free day I'll put it back together with a set of sources.Doug (at Wiki) 22:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Icelandic letters (regarding your name change)

Hi, your change: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ari_Thorgilsson&diff=557597171&oldid=544347199

I see your point. But has there been any discussion on this? This looks wrong (to Icelanders). I was thinking of reverting this but don't want to edit war (in case there are some guidelines on this). In some pages there is an explanation for Þ or Ð. See my addition of the Icelandic name template hatnote. Maybe that should explain the letters (after clicking on it). Sufficient? Alternative spelling should be in the article though. comp.arch (talk) 16:30, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for seeing my point, which is that in the English language version, we should use English language letters and spelling. The alternative Icelandic spelling should be mentioned in the article, and presumably in the Icelandic version it should mention the English language alternative spelling.Wjhonson (talk) 16:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I will move the discussion to here http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_%28people%29#What_to_do_about_Icelandic_people_.28letters_.C3.BE_and_.C3.B0.29.3F comp.arch (talk) 10:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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Dear Wjhonson. Thank you so very much for your intervention on the article Theobald Dillon, 7th Viscount Dillon. I see now and understand that my guess for a birth year is as you say "illogical". Also the list of brothers, which you deleted, was utterly wrong. Arthur Dillon, Count Dillon was not his brother but his son. My fault. I somehow got confused. I deeply apologise.

Luckily there are experienced Wikipedians like you who see such errors. I hope to still profit more from your expertise in biographies. I have contributed to Irish biographies in Misplaced Pages, but am no expert at all in these matters, new in Ireland and still unfamiliar with its history. I still consider myself a novice in Misplaced Pages and my English is 2nd-language.

I dared to add new lists of real brothers and sisters, which I hid in table frames. I am not sure whether your deletion was because of the brother-son confusion or because you think lists of siblings have no place in biographies. I have been criticised before for adding lists of siblings, which some users found not encyclopedic (unluckily I cannot remember now who these users were and on which article). It is true that DNB does not give such lists. However, the DNB is paper-based. I thought that such lists might be acceptable on the web when hidden (collapsed). I think I should probably hide them on all the articles where I added such lists.

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Collyridianism

Sorry, dude -- you cut out any connection between the two paragraphs, so that there's now a big gap, and it's not clear how the paragraphs are even related at all. Whatever the problems with the article, that is simply not the solution. And it's not "novel" because that material has been on the article for years! I'm now about to add a reference, as promised... AnonMoos (talk) 22:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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