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	== Official documents ==		== template ==
			Hello, I'm need of some assistance with creating a Misplaced Pages page about a music artist. Can anyone advise which template to use? ] (]) 02:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	Hi!
			:look at other Misplaced Pages pages about music artists ... ] (]) 04:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	When writing someone's biography, do official documents like school records and birth certificates constitute acceptable references?
			::Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. From your question, I suspect that you are focussing on the layout of your proposed article (I'm guessing that that's what you mean by a "template" - we use the word a bit differently here). But while the layout of an article is important, it is MUCH less important than the quality of the sources used. Until you have found adequate sources to establish that the artist meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for , it's pointless spending any time thinking about the content or the layout. To use a house-building analogy, you may have an idea for what you want your house to look like, and even a plan; but until you've surveyed the site to make sure it's fit to build on, and checked that your plans meet local building regulations, it would be a waste of effort to start building.
			::More generally, {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ] (]) 10:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Is there a specific place you're currently working on the article at? I can't seem to find it on your userpage as a subpage. For advice, I'd recommend looking at other music artist articles (specifically various quality articles from ] to ] ) for general outlines on how to write it. For infoboxes, use <nowiki>{{infobox musical artist}}</nowiki> and fill out the template using it's template page at ]. For general advice on writing, see Misplaced Pages's content policies and guidelines, I'd recommend WP:Nutshell as a starting point.
			:Thanks, ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 08:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			== how can I rigth a article in wikipedia ==
	NB: I've already been told several times what my draft's flaws are instead of answering the questions I had, and I've taken note of them and will make relevant edits as I go before resubmitting the article. Please just answer the specific question I've asked here, thanks ^^&nbsp;] (]) 23:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Hello, {{U|AengusB}}
	, and welcome to the Teahouse. In general, no such sources are not acceptable. See ] which says:
	::{{tqqi|Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do '''not''' use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. }}
	:Does that answer your question? ] ]] 23:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
	: No. Unpublished documents are of no use to Misplaced Pages's ]; please read about ]. --] (]) 23:33, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
			how can I rigth ] (]) 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Hi {{U|DESiegel}} and {{U|David Biddulph}}, and thank you for answering.
	::This does answer my question. What is the next best thing in terms of proving when someone was born and what education someone has? I suppose reliable articles aren't more reliable than official records since the person the Misplaced Pages article is about could have just told them that info themselves.
			:]
	:::{{U|DESiegel}} and {{U|David Biddulph}}, I will pose a related question. The text quoted above includes "... about a living person ..." Are such items therefore considered acceptable as sources in biographies of dead people? I often see birth certificates, death certificates, etc. cited in biographies of people who have died. I am tempted to remove them, but the specification of "living" in the rule makes me think I might be wrong to do so. Otherwise, why specify "living"? ] (]) 00:45, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
			:] (]) 04:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::: The part about "living" people was in DESiegel's reply which was talking about primary sources, which are materials that are close to an event or written by people who are directly involved. ] talks about the limitations under which "primary sources that have been reputably published" may be used. If, however, they have not been published, they are not of any use to Misplaced Pages (whether the person is alive or dead). --] (]) 07:15, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
			::New editors are strongly advised to first gain skills by doing time improving existing articles. References required. ] (]) 05:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:See ]. When editing, think twice, preview before publishing (maybe even twice) and take responsibility. ] (]) 16:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Find a Grave = WP:RS ? ==
	::Hi {{U|DESiegel}} and {{U|David Biddulph}}, could I get an answer to my question, please?
	::Regards,
	::] (])
	:::{{U|AengusB}} the rules are stricter when dealing with living people in many areas, that is the difference between ] and ]. Government documents are often not published at all, and when they are , are not published by a ] that a reader can verify. But when being used about a subject other than am living person, they may be used with care. They are best used when quoted by a secondary source to provide analysis and context. Individual official documents often fail to provide a complete story, being only a fragment of a chain of events. Errors in them may be hard to correct, so they may go uncorrected. I suspect that mostly you will see such sources cited when a secondary source has quoted or mentioned them, providing such analysis and context. Of course some articles cite things that they should not, which is one reason why ] is an argument to avoid. ] ]] 00:22, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	::: ... and (in case I didn't make it clear enough earlier) if the school records and birth certificates are unpublished (see ]), they can't be used as references. --] (]) 04:53, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::{{u|AengusB}}, twice in this thread you've complained about not getting your question answered. I understand your bewilderment, but it's part of the environment here. Most folks are used to working in a structured defined environment. On Misplaced Pages, policies and guidelines are intentionally vague. They are interpreted and implemented on a case by case basis. Decisions are not made based on rules directly, but on the consensus of the interpretation of policy in that individual case. Hence, there usually isn't a specific "answer" to any queston. ] (]) 12:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::::{{u|David Biddulph}} Hi! This is not my question, but I am interested in the answer too. {{t|What is the next best thing in terms of proving when someone was born and what education someone has?}} I am guessing the differentiating criteria is what has been published, reputably and publicly, am I right? I intend to write on an academic I am interested in seeing on WP and I'm assuming the publication of their curricula vitae from their school would be considered a good source. Is that correct? What else? Interviews? Book reviews? Thank you so very much for what you all do here at the Teahouse. It's wonderful. You make WP a better less bewildering place.] (]) 17:40, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			Is ] = ] ?
	== Hello, Wiki Article Declined "Statera" ==
			] (]) 04:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	Hello, I am new to wikipedia and submitted an article about Statera and index fund but backed by cryptocurrncies. it was declined due to not having "is submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Misplaced Pages article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any re submission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Misplaced Pages." A third party audit is currently being conducted on stateras code and its project. Would this help as one for references. Would it be better to have this a sub heading on index funds page? Sort of as a subheading of another type of index fund. I know crypto currency is new. But it is gaining momentum. I was really interested in this project as i a am small personal investor and always liked index funds specifically vanguards voo then i saw this project and it caught my attention. I would really like help in the creation of this page or maybe as a subheading. Any help would be appreciated.
			:{{welcometea}} Please consult ]. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 05:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:The answer is "no" because Find a Grave consists of user generated content, and is specifically mentioned in the ] section of the reliable sources guideline as a source that should not be used as a reference on Misplaced Pages. That does not mean that Find a Grave is of no value to Misplaced Pages editors. You may be able to find nuggets in those listings that will inform your searches about various people. Some but not all Find a Grave listings include references to reliable sources, and those sources may be useful as Misplaced Pages references. One thing that Find a Grave can teach editors is that many people down through the years share the same name, and we need to be very careful to avoid including biographical details about one Andrew Wilson in an article about another Andrew Wilson. That's just one of countless examples. I have been working on ] today, so that's why I chose that example.. ] (]) 06:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Hello -- I would like to start helping, but I'm having trouble finding what to do! ==
	Thanks in advance&nbsp;] (]) 20:31, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{re|Nottherealsatoshi}} I reviewed the declined draft, and agree with that action. You're going to have a hard time getting an article for a new unsourced cryptocurrency instrument onto Misplaced Pages, especially since you are an investor, and as a brand new editor have a clear conflict of interest. Please see ]. Editors spend a lot of time and effort on Misplaced Pages trying to police investors in new companies and instruments who are trying to add unsourced industry info. While the general consensus seems to be that having an article will give their company or instrument more credibility, and command a higher asking price, without proper sourcing your efforts will not succeed. With a quick Google search, I had a hard time finding a web site for Statera, let alone reliable media coverage. Sorry I can't be more positive - I want to save you the trouble you are going through, and the time other editors will spend maintaining the encyclopedia. ] ] ] 21:35, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
			I see lots of support for ultra basics, but I know what the concept is, and how to edit, and how to make italics and hyperlinks, and that I should use a neutral voice, etc. I am trying to find some guidance on WHAT to contribute. I found the Typo Team (or at least, ]), but I haven't found guidance on interacting with it. (Do I delete entries if I resolve them? Yesterday I found many entries to check, but today none of the articles seem to HAVE the potential typo that was listed, or even a fixed version). I have found ], but can't get the features working. For example, it says to enable the Help panel in the Editing tab, but I don't see such a thing in the Editing tab. I also can't find "Display newcomer homepage" in my user preferences. Similar with Suggested Edits -- how can I "use <code>Special:NewcomerTasksInfo</code>"? Etc., etc. I must be missing some key piece of advice -- where can I figure out how to get things rolling? ] (]) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello @]. ], you're free to do whatever you wanna do best. Want to copyedit a bunch of articles and bring our grammar up to shape? Join the ] and go wild. Wanna fight vandalism? Go patrol ] and stop those dang vandals! Wanna go help out that typo team? Go right ahead. It's your choice. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 05:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	Hello, Mr Templeton, I appreciate the quick response and honesty. Yes the website is called or google "Statera token" or Stateratoken.com . A third party audit is currently being performed on this code to clear up any uncertainties. I will gather more outside sources as the project progresses as stated by wiki. I am gathering as much as a can and hopefully with the audit more data and sources will emerge in the following weeks. As mention in my post, since this is a variation of an index fund, is there any chance this can be part of the index fund page or a variation of it, once the audit is complete or more outside sources emerge confirming its credibitly. Thank you, in advance <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			::@]
			::*You should find display user homepage at the bottom of ], "User profile" tab.
			::*If I wanted to interact with the typo team, my first place to try would be ].
			::*Have you found ] and ]? ] (]) 07:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Thank you! These links are helpful. I found "display user homepage" under User Profile. So maybe a silly question, but: how do I find this user homepage? I don't really go to Misplaced Pages generically, I usually jump straight to an article. Tasks and Requests seem like what I'm looking for. ] (]) 01:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::The link should be right at the top of every page when you're logged in, in the same place/menu as the link to your userpage. -- ] (]) 02:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@], do you have any particular topics that you'd like to edit about? One way to find a lot of articles that need help is to go through our various maintenance backlogs (Gråbergs Gråa Sång has already linked you to ]). Some people are content to plug away at a particular backlog chronologically, but if you prefer to edit on things you're generally interested in, it's helpful to filter these by wikiproject. Alternatively, do you have any particular skills or outside knowledge that might be helpful here? There's always demand for multilingual editors, the copyright folks are always backlogged, etc. -- ] (]) 10:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Thank you. I would prefer to get into the groove with smaller contributions before I start throwing any weight around. Sadly, I cannot offer multilingual help; I am American. I'm mostly having trouble navigating the various pages and internal tools like TASKS or RecentChanges (anything labeled "Special:" is still new to me). ] (]) 01:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::I'm a fan of ] as a newbie task - not ''small'', exactly, but hey, no time like the present to learn to ]. You don't (or shouldn't) need to do any research to fix these articles - most of them are here because they are tagged with "lead too short". Find one of those, read the article, then rewrite the lead so it summarizes it accurately. Then remove the tag. All this requires is good English literacy, and since the lead is what most people read and what is used in the google knowledge box etc, it's a high-impact change that requires very little wiki-knowledge. -- ] (]) 02:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Different images for Light/Dark mode ==
			Is there any way to tell Misplaced Pages to display different images / media for Light vs Dark mode users? Due to transparency, some SVG and PNG images have bad contrast when viewed in Dark mode. ] (]) 06:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	Would this be considered a good outside reference, it is a third party audit on Statera's code and security, ensuring that it has no high or medium critical issues in its code or securty
			:@] This question is likely to have a better audience at ]. That board has a more technically oriented team than here. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	Link to audit
			:@], you can use {{tl|dark mode switch}}, it does exactly what you're looking for. See ] and ]; both articles use it for the logo in the infobox. ] (]) 04:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Wider vs specific consensus ==
	https://github.com/StateraProject/statera-token/blob/master/Statera_SC_Audit_Report.pdf <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 20:03, 20 June 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			Can a case-specific consensus triumph a wider topic consensus already established? Not that consensus over wider topic is changed but maybe because that case is viewed from a different perspective. ] ] 07:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	== New Article: Raven (deity) ==
			:@] I doubt it. Were that to be the case we would not have consistency of operation. This question is likely to have a better audience at ]. That board has a more policy oriented team than here 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	Hey Misplaced Pages -
			:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. While I agree with FiddleFaddle's advice, I would also remark that general questions like yours are very frustrating for people who attempt to answer questions here. If you explain the specific issue you want guidance on, you are much more likely to get a useful answer (and also be less likely to be suspected of ]).
			:I am aware of the possible irony in my answer, given your question. ] (]) 10:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Thanks for replying! Being a half-host on Teahouse myself I get you. I was inspired to ask this question by the discussion happening ]. The latter part of the discussion specifically focuses on if 'Nobel prize' should be added or not in Jimmy Carter's death blurb on Main page's ITN section. It was initially proposed by the nominator and many supported it (albeit not mentioning specifically the Nobel prize) and it got posted without the mention of the prize. However later there was some more scrambling, this time with more regard to the Nobel prize and so it currently updated to include the prize in the blurb. The opposers are generally arguing that it is editorializing and other things. I may not be very good in summarizing discussions, so I left it in the question. --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 10:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			== How to upload a >100 MB file to Misplaced Pages? ==
	I am interested in starting a new article to describe one of the most prominent deities of many of the language groups of the east Pacific coast, known commonly as "Raven" in English.
			I've uploaded plenty of files to Commons before, but I've only uploaded a few (non-free) files to WP. I would like to upload a short film that will become public domain in the US at the start of 2025 (won't be PD in its country of origin for a few years, so no uploading it to commons), but the file is over 100 MB, the maximum file size listed on the ]. I don't want to compress it any more than it already is, so how to I get around this? I've seen several films large than 100 MB on WP already (], ]), so it must be possible.
	A quick search will reveal this deity doesn't appear to be recognized on Misplaced Pages, even though they are at the centre of the numerous cultures stretching from modern-day Alaska, through BC, to Washington state.
			Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thanks. — ] (]) 07:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	I would be depending on a handful of sources I am familiar with, and would necessarily start from the Haida perspective, as I am a Haida person. After the article's creation, however, I would very much hope to see the community start to add more and more information about this deity. "Raven" is recognized by numerous names along the coast, and has as many stories.
			:@] This question is likely to have a better audience at ]. That board has a more technically oriented team than here 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	As a beginner, I just want to seek advice and direction before starting. Any feedback would be welcome.
			::@] That first file you linked was uploaded with the aid of a userscript discussed at ]. I don't pretend to understand the details, but you may ;-) ] (]) 14:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Even if you're uploading "locally", ] is likely helpful. All the projects use the same ] software, all that needs adjustment is the destination for the upload. --] (]) 20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Editing a sandbox, references number is doubling ==
	Haawa! (Thanks!)&nbsp;] (]) 07:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
			Hi there! I was editing my and for some reasons all the different references I am adding are doubling the number of them and the previous ones are not disappeared. I was following your suggestions to add COI edit to my text, eliminating the internal sources and the bold words. Can you help me or it is just a matter of viewing and once I publish the sand box they will all disappear? ] (]) 09:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hello {{u|Shoutsofvictory}}, it seems to me the topic is already covered at ] and ]. ] also seems to describe a possibly related or same raven myth. If those articles do not cover the topic sufficiently and there is information available on the topic that would be out of scope or undue for those articles, a standalone article may be deserved. If those articles are sufficient, one or more redirects may be created to make it easier for people looking for the topic to find those articles. You could help with that since you did look and concluded Misplaced Pages does not yet cover the topic.{{pb}}I would recommend that you start this discussion at the talk page of one of those articles or at ], which are some of the places where editors more familiar with the topic are likely to see and respond to your proposal. You could also go through the history of those articles and find an experienced editor who has significantly contributed to the topic and happens to be currently active and reach out at their user talk page for advice. Looking at the history of those articles, {{ping|Finnusertop|David_Condrey}} just may be two such editors. Regards! ''']&nbsp;]''' 08:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hi @]: it seems that with you've duplicated the contents by pasting an earlier edit into the page, thus embedding a copy of the entire page within the page (if that makes sense). You should undo your most recent edits up to and including that one. Or if you'd like me to do it, let me know. -- ] (]) 09:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Hello {{u|Usedtobecool}} Ah, yes I see. Yes, ] seems to represent more of what I believe would be a worthy and thorough description of this topic.
			::Hi @], thanks for your prompt answer! I think you made sense, could you check and fix this for me? I don't want to commit any further mistakes in the editing process or in the COI different templates, thanks in advance! Andrea ] (]) 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::User:Theroadislong has already sorted this out. Also, your draft is now located at ]. -- ] (]) 10:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			== how to give feedback ==
	::Now that I know this topic is under Raven Tales, could I ask the more senior editors their opinions on another question?
	::It just seems to me that the article might be better off to simply recognize the deity by it's anglicized name, for standardization's sake. For example:
			i had a question on why an article was written and sent it to info@ wikipedia. they told me that I needed to engage in the "talk" feature and ask the editors, since wikipedia is only a platform. I did that and not only was the answer not given I was ridiculed, because I am not actually sure why. I am not interested in editing wikipedia, I am only interested in engaging with the editors, to understand inconsistencies. How exactly would I do that, if I should not be using the talk feature.
	::The ] article is called 'Dionysus', rather than 'Tales of Dionysus'.
			thanks ] (]) 12:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::The ] article is called 'Guanyin', rather than 'The Stories of Guanyin'.
			:Hello. Discussion about an article usually takes place on its talk page. Discussion with an editor directly can occur on their user talk page.
	::Haawa (thanks), and I will go ahead and follow through with your prompts to look at the talk pages and reach out to primary editors of the ] page.
			:Note that your only other edit was about the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian conflict, which is ] that I will notify you of on your user talk page. One of those is that you must be an experienced user in order to make edits to any type of page about it. Your account must be 30 days old with 500 edits. ] (]) 12:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::Indeed you will have to discuss the article's title with the editors who are familiar with it and have edited it. You can propose a rename, but obviously, ] is already taken. You can start an informal discussion asking about the title first; or you can formally propose a rename yourself as a starting point of a discussion. The former would be best, as a new editor unfamiliar with previous discussions and decisions and reasons for them. See ] (because renaming is done by moving articles to a new title) for guidance. P.S. Please remember to sign posts by ending each of your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). The signature helps others know who posted the comment and when, and bots to know when to archive a discussion. Regards! ''']&nbsp;]''' 18:11, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
			::Also answering your query: :You asked a question that is now at ]. Talk pages of articles are not for 'open' questions. Instead, the proper method is to propose a specific change of text, as in replace A with B, and include a reference to support your proposal. Given that ] is a very controversial article, editors who participate there - at both article and talk - can be short on tact. ] (]) 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::Aaah I see, haawa haawa. Very helpful feedback. Yes, I am looking through the article's talk page now, and am seeing that the article title is already a topic of discussion. Thank you very much for all your help, and for your pointers. ] (]) 18:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
			:{{tpq|I am not interested in editing wikipedia}} If you're not interested in contributing to the project, then you probably ought to go elsewhere. ] is to produce an encyclopedia; notably, ] are for constructively discussing the project and its content, not general ] for discussion. There are many many discussion forums elsewhere on the Internet, and Misplaced Pages can even ]. If you do wish to contribute to the encyclopedia, take a look at ]. Thank you and I hope you have a good day. --] (]) 21:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::::One last question on another topic - which type of WikiLoves are appropriate to send to people who help you out? I don't know if there's some sort of wikicultural significance to the kittens or barnstars... a goat doesn't seem very flattering, but hey - I've spent alot of time on farms, so they might mean something different to me...haawa. ] (]) 18:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::::{{u|Shoutsofvictory}}, sorry I missed this one earlier. I would say it's more the message that accompanies the stuff than the stuff per se. ] lists and explains the barnstars; the rest (animals, food, drinks, etc.) are probably only a matter of personal judgement, because if they are explained somewhere, I have yet to find it. I was once given a goat and was indeed a bit confused as to how to feel about it. In cultures that have completely separated farming and slaughtering from mass consumption, they are probably the same as pets. For others, goats may be livestock, financial asset or even food. Yet others would see goats as symbols of the devil or other evil spirits. As to the wikicultural significance, wikilove is simple friendly gesture for comraderie and mutual appreciation; barnstars in particular are more valued though. Most users showcase the barnstars they've received and they are often cited as evidence of a given editor's value and contributions to the project. I have seen experienced editors refuse to accept barnstars they felt were not given in good faith or were undeserved. To get back to the top, other than not giving nonsenical stuff like an "admin's barnstar" to a non-admin or "writer's barnstar" to someone who only patrols vandalism, a sincere accompanying message explaining what you appreciate and why, is probably the part you should put the most thought into. Regards! ''']&nbsp;]''' 08:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
			== VisualEditor ==
	:Hello {{u|Shoutsofvictory}} and welcome to the Teahouse. What I know of Haida comes from '']'', not exactly a ]. Anyway, have you looked at the articles ] and ]? They seem to at least mention the topic you're interested in. Consider using the reliable sources you have to improve those articles. ] (]) 08:18, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
	::{{u|Gråbergs Gråa Sång}} Haawa! Feels good to have so much feedback. I looked at ], and it satisfies what I imagined this popular deity deserves. The title of this article has led to another question, which I have posted above. I've never heard of the Emberverse Series. Looks like just my thing. Jeez, it's reminding me of a whole series I read as a kid ]. Emberverse looks a lot more advanced, tho. ] (]) 18:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::{{u|Shoutsofvictory}}, my opinion on the current title: It seems to fit the current content, and "Raven" in this context is not that easy to define, "deity" doesn't seem to always fit, though sometimes it does. However, I don't think anyone would mind if you made ] a ] to that article, like ] and ]. ] (]) 19:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::{{u|Gråbergs Gråa Sång}} That's actually a terrific idea. That way the article would appear in a disambiguation for users that just search "Raven", as I did to start. I'll set about figuring out how to set that up. Haawa! ] (]) 20:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			I've just changed my Preferences > Editing
	:I guess this is the Raven portrayed at ]? &nbsp; ] (]) 08:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
	::{{u|Maproom}} Yes, this unlicensed use of a Haida designer's work is often considered a controversial example of cultural appropriation.
	:::I almost wrote I found it in poor taste. The age old question of appropriation vs. appreciation; it's still a bit of a toughie. ''']&nbsp;]''' 18:11, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::Hah! Ya, it goes on in on. In this case the design was completely lifted without permission from a Haida artist, so it's pretty cut-and-dry. Are you very familiar with northwest coastal formline traditions? ] (]) 18:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::::{{u|Shoutsofvictory}}, unfortunately, no. But I found there is an article on it, at ]. It's barely a start, and would surely benefit from attention of editors like you. Regards! ''']&nbsp;]''' 05:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::::{{u|usedtobecool} Great prompt, I'll keep this page open as my next project. Haawa! ] (]) 20:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			Turned on "Enable the visual editor" <small>(which, I think, it's on by default in Misplaced Pages in Italian language)</small>
	== Reference Citations are failing to "insert" themselves ==
			But i can not find out how to edit with VisualEditor.
	This morning I tried to add some references to an article, yet when I pressed '''insert,''' it looks like it's going to add the reference as usual for a split second, but nothing appeared. I tried to create an automatic reference a few times, all of which failed, before creating a few manual references, which also failed to appear. So I left the page open, watched a few Youtube videos, did a few edits on IMDB, and forgot all about it, until just now when I tried to add references to a different article, which again failed. Why are citations failing to insert?
			I've looked at ] and it says (] to click on the "Edit" tab (in the picture I can see a "drop down" menu to choose the editor).
	This is off topic but, the article I was trying to add references to, or more accurately, re-add references and information to, were for an actor from the ], which were removed by someone in December 2019. Those facts which were removed a month after I added them, were regarding the fact he was born, educated and trained in the ], yet all references to the ] were removed, and only his neighbourhood, which is adjacent to mine (2 miles from the city centre) was mentioned.
			But I've not this choice. My tab is named "Edit source". ] (]) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	There seems to be an agenda against my city - the ] which is officially the '''6th biggest city in the UK by population''' and the '''6th biggest city in the UK by area''' (according to the '''Office of National Statistics''', the '''Queen''' and the '''British Government''') by the mainstream media, the tourism companies, the map makers etc and Misplaced Pages.
			:I've found out, reading ] (which seems a bit outdated, by the way).
	Why do I think that? I think that because every time I add information to Misplaced Pages articles of people, places or things, which were born, are situated in, or from the ], to say that they are from the ], they get removed by people claiming things like it ''isn't relevant'' ''it's not needed'' or they are doing it to ''clean up an article.'' More like you're removing things which '''Bradfordians''' can celebrate about the city, because you want to keep the stereotype that '''"It's full of crime, it's poor, and there's nothing worth visiting."'''
			:After I've changed my Preferences > Editing > "Enable the visual editor" = ON
			:and the press "save" button at the bottom.
			:Only then, a "drop down menu" show up in the same section: "Editing mode", which is setted by default "Remember the last editor". I've changed it to "Show both editor tabs".
			:It's not easy to find out. ] (]) 15:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::By the way, I've looked at the settings on Misplaced Pages in Italian language and "Enable the visual editor" it's enough there (there is no "Editing mode" option at all) ] (]) 15:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Italian Misplaced Pages and English Misplaced Pages run on the same system, MediaWiki, but are two different Wikipedias. So if this is a question about itwiki, then you should go to a help board on itwiki. If this a question about enwiki, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 16:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::But, @], do note that you can only use the VisualEditor is some namespaces but not all. You can in mainspace, userspace, draftspace but not in wikispace which is the space with the Misplaced Pages: prefix. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Thank you, @] . I've tried in main space and the in user space. ] (]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::Were you able to fix it using the instructions that I put, {{tq|you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor.}}? <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 16:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			== "No Such Number tone" / "crybaby tone" (type of intercept error) ==
	* Why is the '''6th biggest city in the UK''' missing as a filming location, from productions which were filmed in the ] aka the world's first '''UNESCO City of Film'''?
	* Why is the '''6th biggest city in the UK''' missing from practically every single '''tourism website''' on the internet?
	* Why is the '''6th biggest city in the UK''' missing from most '''maps of UK cities'''?
	* Why do the majority of the '''neighbourhoods, hamlets, villages and towns''' in the '''6th biggest city in the UK,''' fail to mention they are situated in the ] in the first couple of lines of their Misplaced Pages articles, and sometimes in their infoboxes too? The majority of the ones which do mention the ], say they're '''near Bradford''' rather than '''in Bradford.''' I've even seen TV shows filmed in neighbourhoods less than 2 miles from ] city centre, in the '''227.4 miles squared''' ] say they're '''"near Bradford"''' rather than '''"in Bradford".'''
	* Why do a lot of Misplaced Pages articles about '''celebrities''' born and/or raised in the '''6th biggest city in the UK''' fail to mention they're from the ].
			Hello everyone. This is one of my first times writing a brand-new article, and I'm not sure if this is a notable enough topic for its own page or a subsection in the intercept message.
	If someone is from ], ], ] you don't say they're from ] the neighbourhood alone, you say they're from ] the city alone, ] the city along with ] the county, or all 3 by mentioning the neighbourhood, the city and the county.
			This technically isn't a message, but before the intercept message was used, a different type of tone could also be returned instead of connecting to an operator. This is known under many different names, such as the "no such number tone" or even the "crybaby tone." This tone would be returned if a caller attempts to dial a number that can't possibly exist according to the numbering plan. The call would not be allowed to go through because some of these numbers could be reserved for private use. The tone itself is continuous, sweeping from 200-400Hz back to 200Hz again over the course of one second.
	If you're talking about the village of ], which is in the town of ], which is part of the ], you don't forget to mention that it's '''in Leeds''' or say it's '''near Leeds,''' you mention all 3.
			The issue is that it's almost exclusively used in North America, if not, completely exclusively. It was introduced by the Bell System in 1941, but I've also heard of it in use by the 3CX Asterisk system. However, my intent is to preserve information about this tone, as next to no information seems to exist about it. An excerpt from the Bell Labs Record describes it here. It also seems to be exclusive to crossbar systems.
	Yet those are just a couple of examples of what happens with ] related Misplaced Pages articles on a regular basis. I like being specific with my information and facts, especially with things like addresses and TV networks, as there's too many people in the world who don't know what a '''British city''' is, and think the '''BBC''' is the only TV network in the UK. While Misplaced Pages seems to have a policy of being vague, especially when it comes to facts about places in, and people from the ].&nbsp;] (]) 17:48, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
			Bell Labs record
	:Hi, {{U|Danstarr69}}. I'm with you on Bradford - I lived there for 25 years, and always talk it up when I hear people talking it down (You know the plaque in the pavement in Tyrell St that marks that Bradford Beck goes under it and commemmorates the 56? That's there because I crowdfunded it). But with my Misplaced Pages hat on, I want to remind you that ]. Misplaced Pages is not for or against: it reports what the sources say. Also, Misplaced Pages works by ]. So, for each of your edits that got undone: first, does the source say "City of Bradford" or does it give some more local name? Secondly, when somebody reverted you, did you start a discussion on the matter? --] (]) 21:09, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
	:I’ve posted a bug report . Oddly, I can’t even copy-paste URLs within Misplaced Pages (iPad 2017). What device were you on, by the way? ]] 05:11, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Forgot to ping you, {{re|Danstarr69}}. ]] 05:13, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	:] I wasn't reverted. My edits were simply changed. I came to the Misplaced Pages article yesterday, to easily get the links I had added, and use them as proof of his birth place on IMDB. That's when I noticed that:
	* The acronyms for the 2 ] acting schools he attended had been removed, even though they predominantly go by those acronyms, especially for things like shows, just like with organisations like ''NASA,'' the ''BBC'' or ''MI5'' predominantly go by their acronyms. Those 2 schools are:
	# ''Buttershaw St Paul's Amateur Operatic Dramatic Society'' (Buttershaw St Paul's AODS).
	# ''The Yorkshire School of Acting'' (YSA) which is based at the ].
	* The ] had been removed from the introduction completely.
	* The ] had been changed to simply ] in the infobox.
	I used 3 references. One of those references mentioned his Buttershaw training. Two of those references mentioned his YSA training. One of those references said he was specifically from the neighbourhood of Wibsey. Yet all 3 of them said he was from the ]. Therefore I used some of those references multiple times, for different things, using the footnote thing. Now those references all only appear once.
	:] As for my main problem, which is the ability to add references, I'm using an Acer Aspire laptop on Windows 8.1, as Windows corrupted my other laptop in October 2017 with their forced Windows 10 updates. It's possible I could add references by coping text for other references, and changing the text, but that's a lot of hard work for something which normally happens automatically. Yes I know automatic references don't always add everything, which is why I've recently started editing the occasional reference when I notice things like dates, website names, authors, page numbers etc are missing, or just to give the reference a better title.
	:] (]) 07:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	::{{u|Danstarr69}}, I suppose that means the issue isn’t with Apple or Microsoft. Anyways, the bug report I’ve linked also doesn’t say that the issue is iPadOS or Windows, so we won’t have to change that. It really is odd when these bugs spontaneously happen for no apparent reason, and that too for people using different devices. ]] 08:21, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	::{{u|Danstarr69}} If it helps, I've been having issues with auto-citations recently (past couple days) within my edits so I guess it is a bug. ] (]) 08:28, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::] ] I don't know about you two, but I can now add citations again. I've just added my first couple of references, after 3 days of being unable to. ] (]) 18:46, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	] ] Actually, no I can't. I can add references in visual mode, but I still can't add references in source mode. ] (]) 19:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			Article about this record
	:{{tracked|T55785}} ] (&nbsp;]&nbsp;) ] – (08:33 Mon 22, AEST) 22:33, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			Sample of this sound
	== Name is spelled wrong; I keep updating and am asked to "brandish" a source ==
			What do you think of this? ] (]) 19:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	I have updated the spelling of a basketball player's name (it is spelled Allen, his actual name is spelled Alan.) An editor keeps changing it back, despite the fact that it is incorrect. The only internet source I can find that is publicly available is his wife's obituary (which I do not feel comfortable linking to on his page.)
			:Hi @], welcome to the teahouse and welcome to Misplaced Pages! I think that this could be a good idea as a subsection in the article for ] or some other related article. I don't think that there is enough for a full article with the sources you've posted but could definitely be an interesting paragraph! ]]] 07:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	The article name is "Chuck Terry"&nbsp;] (]) 04:58, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
			::Alright, thank you! And thanks for the welcome. I made this account a while ago, but haven't felt confident enough in my editing skills until now to contribute. ] (]) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hello {{u|Jenmloo}}. Misplaced Pages summarizes what published, reliable sources say, and there is only one source cited in the article. That source,
	Basketball-Reference.com, says that "Allen Charles Terry" is his full name. In order to change the Misplaced Pages article, you can either provide a citation to a reliable source for the other spelling, or convince Basketball-Reference.com to change their database. On another matter, it would be great if you could provide links to reliable, published sources that provide more details and insights into ]'s pro basketball career. It is sad that the current article is so brief. ] ] 06:15, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	::Even if the name spelling is wrong, do not change it again unless you can provide a valid reference. Same applies to adding more content to the article. The content of citations does not have to be accessible via internet as long as the ref content can identify where published. ] (]) 09:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::I'm the editor you're referencing with "brandish," and you must include a reliable source when you decide to change an article (especially something as consequential as a name). If you want to, you could send his wife's obituary to Basketball-Reference.com and see if they change it. I spent a bit of time looking for a source to confirm his full name but came up empty. ] (]) 15:40, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::{{u|Jenmloo}}, why would you be reluctant to provide a source if you have it? That makes no sense. Do you have some sort of personal or business relationship with the subject of the article? The undertone of your posting here seems to be that you have personal knowledge of this person's name and are trying to find a source to verify that. When you add something to Misplaced Pages, it is an absolute requirement that what you add be verifiable to reliable sources. Any edit you make here should be paraphrased from reliable secondary sources. Was this one? Note I am not asking if the source you are refusing to provide for whatever perplexing reason verifies the content; until you provide it, its existence is moot. What I am asking is for the source of your original edit, and note that you are required to provide the source or remove the content. ] (]) 11:02, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	== My first article ==		== Maryam Mirzakhani ==
			Can someone fix the error in the ] article?
	Hello there, I am new here so please show me some warm love. I know Misplaced Pages is a loving community.
	I just started my first article of a clothing brand I think deserve an article. Here is the draft: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Draft:Sebastian_Cruz_Couture#
	Please any help? Suggestions? Much needed. Thanks!&nbsp;] (]) 15:41, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
			Mirzakhani solved this counting problem by relating it to the problem of computing volumes in moduli space—a space whose points correspond to different complex structures on a surface genus '''<span style="color:red">Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle g}</span> .''' In her thesis, Mirzakhani found a volume formula for the moduli space of bordered Riemann surfaces of genus g {\displaystyle g} with n {\displaystyle n} geodesic boundary components. From this formula followed the counting for simple closed geodesics mentioned above, as well as a number of other results. This led her to obtain a new proof for the formula discovered by Edward Witten and Maxim Kontsevich on the intersection numbers of tautological classes on moduli space.
	:Hello, {{U|Tripplehaze7}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. I hope that you will find it a friendly place; but please be aware that plunging into creating an article as a new user is like going to your first music lesson and expecting to play a concerto, or starting French lessons and expecting to be able to write a magazine article in French. The particular problem is that if you write an article from what you know, you are doing it wrong: Misplaced Pages readers have no way of telling who you are, or whether what you know is reliable. For this reason we require that all Misplaced Pages articles are based on reliably published information, and mostly on sources unconnected with the subject. So the way to start your draft is to find several places where people completely unconnected with the company have chosen to write at some length about the company, and been published in places with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking. (And note that information sourced to the company, such as interviews and press releases, does not figure in this). If you cannot find such sources, then the company is not ] in Misplaced Pages's sense, and you are wasting your time trying to write about it. If you can find the sources, then you are in a position to start writing your draft, by summarising what those sources say about it. Please see ] for more guidance. But my advice would be to shelve it for now, and spend a few weeks or months improving some of our six million existing articles (many of them need it!) and learning how Misplaced Pages works. The ] is a good place to go. --] (]) 16:10, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
			Thanks. ] (]) 19:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Hello, {{U|ColinFine}}, that’s good to know. I am taking my time to go through the guidelines and I will definitely do well to contribute to existing articles. I think the article in my draft has many such reputable sources I will look at. I am willing to take time and work on this as I think it is exciting and challenging at the same time. Awesome! I think I will love it here on Misplaced Pages. Kindly keep an eye on things for me if you can. Thanks a lot for your time and assistance. I really appreciate it.
			:<s>Hi IP 76.14.122.5. Generally, the best place to discuss something like this is on the talk page for the article in question, which in this case would be ]; however, if you truly believe there's an error in the article, you can be ] and fix it yourself if you think you can. Please understand though that "fix it" in this context means to correct the article in accordance with relevant Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, and the policies/guidelines most likely applicable in this case are going to be ] and ]. Ideally, you're going to need to find ] ] (as defined by Misplaced Pages) to cite in support of the change you want to make; ], you're still going to need to cite reliable sources in support to allow others to verify the changes. If you just make a change without providing any citations to a reliable source in support, there's a good chance the change will be undone by another user. Given that this seems to be related to mathematics, you might argue that "proving" the information to be incorrect based on Mirakhani's academic thesis is more than sufficient in and of itself, but Misplaced Pages generally requires something more and a thesis is going to be, for the most part, considered a ] source and could have other issues as explained in ]. You could also try asking about this at ] since that's where you're going to have a better chance of finding someone sufficiently versed in mathematics who might be able to help sort this out. -- ] (]) 19:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</s>;<ins>post edited. -- 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</ins>
	Cheers! --] (]) 16:01, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::Your only reference is an interview with Mr. Cruz. In Misplaced Pages parlance, interviews do not count toward establishing notability. You need independent content about the company. ] (]) 00:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)		::Please disregard my reply IP 76.14.122.5. I misunderstood what you were asking about. ColinFine's suggestion below seems to be the best course of action here. -- ] (]) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hello, IP user. What you are reporting is a problem in the software, the network, or the user interface, and not in the content of the article. Generally, technical problems of this sort are better handled at ] than here. However, I'm not seeing that problem, either on the browser on my laptop, or on the Android app. Is it repeatable, or might it have been a temporary glitch?
	::::Yes I got to understand this. I am taking my time to work on it and dig up some notable sources. Thank you for the heads up. Cheers! --] (]) 10:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Actually, now I look at it, the URL above appears to be a local proxy, so it may be that whoever manages your local network has not configured the proxy in a way that Misplaced Pages requires. Again, ] is a better place to ask about this.
	:::::Unfortunately you prettified the draft with copyright photographs. I have not reviewed past that point, and have declined it n that basis ] ] 14:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:@]. The problem that the IP is reporting is obviously a technical one, so your answer is entirely off the point. ] (]) 20:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Thanks for catching my mistake and pointing the OP in the right direction {{u|ColinFine}}. I've stricken my reply so as to not confuse the OP or anyone else. -- ] (]) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Stuck on Puerto Rico outages notability. ==
	== Shouldn't our math (and other highly technical) articles be accessible to non-experts? ==
			Hi, new to Misplaced Pages here and probably gonna create a draft on the Puerto Rico power outage crisis but wanted to ask:
	As the encyclopedia anyone can edit, I would hope it is also one that anyone* could read too...
			I’m stuck in the notability of this topic, so, is the Puerto Rico power outage crisis notable enough for Misplaced Pages? By power outage crisis I mean the beginning of the Puerto Rican outages from ] to since it has lasted multiple years with sustained media coverage when an outage does occur.
			Cheers! ] (]) 20:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Rather than a new article, you could expand on the outages already documented in ] and in ]. ]&nbsp;] 20:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::A search within Misplaced Pages on "Puerto Rico power outage" yields a list of several articles, including ] and in ] ] (]) 21:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Noted. Will expand those articles then instead. Thanks! ] (]) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:My first impression would be that an article is likely warranted. PR is an island of ~3 million people, in the same neighborhood as Los Angeles. If Los Angeles were having sustained multi-year-long Issues with electrical service, there would be an article about it. ] for citing in articles, as long as a little care is observed.
			:Note, to the anonymous editor: if you ] you get your own shiny neato ] to use mostly at your leisure, where for instance you can work on draft articles with no hurry. I have one underway in mine in fact. And thank you again for being interested in contributing to Misplaced Pages!
			:(Regarding LA: some may have had come to mind the ], but, neat fact, LA actually escaped impact from that because of having ] with its own generation capacity!) --] (]) 01:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::<small>Note to ]: The userspace is the wrong place to draft an article. Either use your Sandbox or else follow instructions at ] to create a draft. ] (]) 03:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
			:::Is "userspace" not the colloquial term for "your user page and any and all subpages of it"? The "official" user sandbox link is ], which takes you to the /sandbox subpage of your user page. --] (]) 05:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hello, the IP editor (66.xx) here, just created my account, and I mainly refrained from creating an article due to being worried about a potential conflict-of-interest (I live in Puerto Rico myself). I might work on a draft later today and collect sources (as @] suggested), thank you all btw for helping me clear up this question I’ve had for some time now! ] (]) 04:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:On the other hand, ] is correct that an article might be created on this newsworthy subject and that one shouldn't necessarily rely strictly on English-language sources. Looking at the existing material, it certainly seems a sequence of outages could be established from some of the reliable sources already applied to pagespace. I agree with ] that ] is a place to consider how to start a new page. I would start collecting sources, online and in print. ] (]) 03:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Apologies if jumping the gun or creating a draft too early, but I have . Won’t be able to do much progress today but will def collect sources to use. ] (]) 07:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Am I allowed to post something about a game I am making on Misplaced Pages? ==
	I see math, physics and other articles in highly technical and specialized areas written in abstruse language an ordinary person without specialized knowledge or expertise in the field would have little hope of understanding. I have long considered this a problem and heard others express it too, but I am not familiar with efforts to address it. Are there past discussions about this?
			Am i allowed to post somthing about a game i am making? On Misplaced Pages ] (]) 22:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	I did just find the essay ] recently written by {{u|CFCF}}.
			:Allowed? Yes. Good idea? No. Likely to remain on Misplaced Pages? No. Writing an article is difficult, particularly for new editors. And since this is about '''your''' game, you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. See ] and ]. Simply posting information about your game rather than writing an article would be promotion. See ] ] (]) 22:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::{{u|Aaronfart14}}, the relevant content guideline is ]. ] (]) 02:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::If your game goes public, and if it becomes so popular that people are publishing about it, then there is a chance that someone other than you will create an article about it. ] (]) 03:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Writing about Childhood and Early Life ==
	''See also'' .
			I am writing an article about Andrea Sheridan Ordin, who is already included in two existing wikipedia articles entitled, "List of first women lawyers and judges in California" and "United States District Court for the Central District of California." I am interviewing her personally and have reputable sources about her career notability, but I'm not sure how to write her "early life" section, since there are not many sources describing her childhood aside from her firsthand account. How to I write about her early life without secondary sources? ] (]) 22:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	: * with a sixth-grade level reading level (or maybe slightly higher).
			:{{re|Aharten97}} It's not possible without reliable secondary published sources. For the policies, see ]. Personal notes from an interview are neither published nor reliable, and self-published statements are rarely reliable. If it's noteworthy it will have been published somewhere. If not then it isn't. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 22:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::https://ethics.lacity.gov/news/murray-and-ordin-re-elected-as-ethics-commission-leaders/ provides some info for an Early life and education section. ] (]) 04:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== What to write on your talk page? ==
	--] (]) 21:01, 19 June 2020 (UTC)&nbsp;--] (]) 21:01, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
			Above question ] (]) 22:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:I'm not editing much these days, but I saw your mention of this on CFCF's talk page, and I agree with you very much. I've been reading some math and physics pages for my own learning recently, and the un-readability is really awful. --] (]) 21:35, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hi and welcome, @]. Your talk page is where other editors can leave messages for you or begin conversations with you. You can learn more at ]. ]&nbsp;] 22:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:This is widely recognised as a problem in many areas, especially medicine. Writing accessible prose is harder than most people think, and our editors are mostly not very good at it. Many still don't recognise the problem. At the least, the lead should be easily accessible. ] (]) 21:51, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
			::It is not for chat, or your thoughts/opinions about stuff. Also, with a few exceptions, you are allowed to delete content from your Talk page, although some people prefer to archive older content instead. ] (]) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Citations about movies ==
	:{{ec}} Hello, {{U|David Tornheim}} and welcome to the Teahouse.
	:There is a constant balancing act between having over-technical articles, and having over-simplified ones on technical topics. I do not think that all our articles on, for example, mathematical topics, can usefully be written to be readable on a sixth-grade level. However, Nobel Prize winner ] said that if one cannot prepare a freshman (college) lecture on a topic, it isn't well understood. Of more direct relevance here is ], which says: {{tqqi|Some topics are intrinsically technical, but editors should try to make them understandable to as many readers as possible. Minimize jargon, or at least explain it or tag it using {{tl|Technical}} or {{tl|Technical-statement}} for other editors to fix. For unavoidably technical articles, a separate introductory article (like ]) may be the best solution. ... Do not introduce new and specialized words simply to teach them to the reader when more common alternatives will do. ... For example, consider adding a brief background section with {{tl|main}} tags pointing to the full treatment article(s) of the prerequisite notions; ...}}
	:For example ] is in my view reasonably well-written and accessible, but I don't think it is at a 6th-grade reading level, nor could it be usefully rewritten without mathematical terminology and notation. ] ]] 22:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	:I wo0uld add that I disagree with much of the specific suggestions in ], although I approve of the goal of making every article as readable as possible. ] ]] 22:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
	::Thanks for everyone's advice and feedback. I do agree that ]'s suggestion of making certain subjects readable to freshmen in college might be a good standard for advanced math, physics, chemistry, etc. articles. As a former math teacher, I must admit the 6th grade level standard (something I heard is used for newspapers) would make it almost impossible to cover almost any but the most basic math or arithmetic articles.
	::Also, having had the pleasure of studying ] which is difficult to comprehend without a background in ] and ], I am actually quite impressed with the ] of that article. Although I have studied Einstein's work in numerous courses in college (and even in high school), I sometimes refer back to our relativity articles, and I believe I was impressed with them. Can't say I am in the mood to look at them right now, but thanks for the suggestion.
	::I will start adding the <nowiki>{{technical}}</nowiki> and {{tl|Technical-statement}} templates and read up on ]. Rather than try to ''impose'' a standard from the community on those who work on the relevant articles, it might be more productive to get editors of the key articles to buy-in to a standard that both they and the community would be comfortable--a standard they would be willing to adhere to. I think only a minority of editors refuse to have anything but the most precise technical definition in the ]--I have met them. I do appreciate and respect their uncompromising desire for such rigorous material. I do think those editors have expertise on the subject and have much to offer--as long as they don't interfere with our desire to make the articles useful to read who lack such expertise.
	::I actually don't mind a precise technical definition in the ], but not in the first paragraph--I think it should be the ''last'' visible paragraph a person sees when article comes up, paragraph 2, sidebar, or image, or placed such that lay people understand its not written for them and allow them to focus on material that is. Likewise I think it is good to rigorous definitions that are easy to find for those who want them. --] (]) 00:02, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::I looked around for some examples of pages, some of them covering topics of reasonably broad interest as opposed to being on extremely specialized subjects, that seem to me to be written at a level that is way above what we should expect Misplaced Pages readers to have to deal with. I say this with the understanding that there are some people who naturally think mathematically, and may react to what I say here with something like ''what's confusing about that?''. But I don't think that Misplaced Pages is the place for content that is only accessible to them. So here are: ], ], ], ], ], ], and ]. When I compare these with the guidelines used for, for example, ], there's really no comparison. --] (]) 00:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	: The guideline many of us in the math and physics wikiprojects follow for readability is ]. In fact, that guideline has recently become part of the good article criteria. The two most important points in that guideline for me for me are (1) make the lead/intro as understandable as possible and (2) write one level down. Accessibility relative to the level of the topic is a more sensible approach than an absolute reading level because different topics have naturally different levels of source material. --<code>&#123;&#123;u&#124;]&#125;&#125;&nbsp;{]}</code> 02:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			I'm trying to improve ]
	:The ] approach may be useful in some cases. ] (]) 09:53, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			1) Is IMDB considered a good citation for the cast list, producer name, etc?
	::As an editor who restricts himself to math articles I would say that most math articles are poorly written. I would hope that more of us could follow the guidelines that Mark has just mentioned, but they are aspirational and hard to follow in practice. I see two sources for the problem, one of which is Misplaced Pages policy. Our insistence on using Reliable Sources (which I wholeheartedly support) has the consequence of us having to rely on math texts that in turn are themselves poorly written, at least from the standpoint of a general reader. The general form of modern math texts (definition, lemma, theorem, corollary, example, repeat) is meant to convey the relevant information for a certain type of reader; one with sufficient background and an ability to parse very densely packed information. There are math books written for a general audience, but except for a very few they indulge in ''lies we tell children'' in lieu of dealing with sophisticated concepts, and even these do not exist for advanced topics. The second source that I see lies in the field itself. Editors who write math articles are of course influenced by the math teachers they have had in the past. If we have done our job right, our students have been indoctrinated to prize precision above all else. Words are messy, they can have more than one meaning and sometimes you can't even figure out that meaning without knowing the context in which they are used. It is no surprise that to achieve precision as few words as possible are to be used. This explains why mathematical writing is so infused with symbols having specialized meanings. Good for precision, but very reader unfriendly. I do not have solutions for these problems. On a personal note, I do revert edits that replace prose by formulae, especially in introductory sections. I have written (and have seen some other attempts as well) some introductions in a very reader friendly way, only to have them revised to more traditional "mathematical" prose. I do feel that I am making some small headway in improving the math articles, but it is an uphill battle.--] (]) 19:04, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			2) How do I add a citation to an existing infobox? (Visual or Source editor)
	== Batch tagging and relinking tool ==
			Many thanks
	Hello everyone! I was looking through Misplaced Pages and I found a backlog of about 4000 files that needed to be converted into SVG format. I could probability convert a few hundred and many a thousand. But, I cannot/will not manually tag hundreds of files and to relink every instance of the image to the new svg file. Is there a tool/bot that could do that? Thank you!&nbsp;<span style="background-color: #8fe38f;"><span style="color:#8fe38f">''']'''</span><sup>]</sup></span> 05:48, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	: {{Re|The creeper2007}} Thanks for wanting to help out with image conversions. Most images in Misplaced Pages articles are actually located on ]. I'm assuming the list is actually of such files (you didn't link to it). You might want to ask at ]. You might also look at ] for any guidelines or input on the subject. If it {{Em|is}} a list of images that are actually (only) on Misplaced Pages, try ]. (If you don't get an answer here, of course). <span style="color:red">—] (])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 07:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Pinging {{U|Benstown}} for advice about how to do this quickly. ] ] ] 14:34, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	::{{Re|The creeper2007}} Most images in that category are logos, and each one has to be manually reviewed, as far as copyright goes. Also, many of the images are of poor quality, or have gradients, which make vectorizing difficult. If it is not too much work, you can upload a trial batch as a zip file (or any other service you prefer), and I'll gladly work on it. Thanks for the initiative! --] 07:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::{{Re|Benstown}} I am alright with reviewing files for copyright and reviewing the results to compare agenst the originals. I am also not sure what you mean by I’ll gladly work on it. Thank you! <span style="background-color: #8fe38f;"><span style="color:#8fe38f">''']'''</span><sup>]</sup></span> 17:15, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::{{Re|The creeper2007}} I don't know if there is a bot/tool to automate uploads. If there isn't, I can do it manually. --] 04:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			] (]) 22:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Danish withdrawal from the European Union in Danish language ==
			:Hi and welcome, @]. Imdb is not considered a reliable source because much of its information is ]. You can learn how to add citations at ]. ]&nbsp;] 22:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::If you click on Edit at the top menu it allows you to edit the entire article, including the Infobox. ] (]) 04:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How do I create a Misplaced Pages article ==
	Know somebody in our Misplaced Pages World who can start this article in Danish language?
			How do I create an article on Misplaced Pages? ] (]) 23:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	You can see here some first possibilities:
	https://en.wikipedia.org/Danish_withdrawal_from_the_European_Union
	and
	https://de.wikipedia.org/Danexit. ] (]) 06:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Здравствуйте, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ] (]) 23:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:{{u|Wname1}}, consider asking at Danish WP, may be as good a place as any. ] (]) 09:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			::Can you help me learn how to make one? I want to make an article on the Kazan bombing that happened about a 1.5 week ago. ] (]) 23:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::{{u|Wname1}}, this is a help forum on and for en.wiki. Other than both being owned by the ], we have no relationship with Danish Misplaced Pages. Each different language Misplaced Pages is an entirely independent organization. ] (]) 09:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, please be aware that the ] is a designated contentious topic. You cannot write new content about that war until your account is ], which means the account is over a month old (it is) ''and'' has made over 500 constractive edits (you have a long way to go). ] (]) 02:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Then can someone else make an article about it? ] (]) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not to be authors or co-authors. ] (]) 04:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Who do I ask about it? ] (]) 08:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, if you persist in discussing a designated contentious topic such as the ] before you are extended confirmed, you may be blocked. So, please edit other topic areas until then. ] (]) 09:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::You could ask on ]. Normally such talk pages are protected, but that one doesn't seem to be at this time. What might happen is that someone adds a paragraph about the incident to the existing article rather than create a new article.
			:::::::I'll add that editors who aren't extended-confirmed generally aren't permitted to use the talk pages of such articles either, and I have always disagreed with this, mainly because constructive edit requests end up in ], making extra work for administrators. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Why are padlocks not automatically added when an article is protected? ==
	== What ==
	What is a vector skin on touchscreen device.&nbsp;] (]) 09:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)		Sorry if this is the wrong place. ] (]) 02:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{u|Tbiw}}, that is the default interface style (or skin, as Misplaced Pages terms it). The other skins can be accessed from the appearance section of your ] page. ]] 09:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	: After going there how will you view the twinkle menu.] (]) 09:25, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	::{{re|Tbiw}} Twinkle is enabled in the Gadget tab of your Preferences settings (the 13th tickbox down, if I remember correctly) From then on, you can find Twinkle's menu in the main tabs at the top of the page. This answer relates to using Misplaced Pages in desktop view, which I almost always use on my own touchscreen device (a tiny iPhone) in preference to mobile view. ] (]) 10:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::Like {{u|Nick Moyes}}, I do most of my editing on a mobile device using the fully functional desktop site instead of the amateurush mobile site. Where we differ is that I use Android on a Google Pixel 2XL, instead of an Apple device. Plus, I am American and he is British. ] ] 05:33, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:@] Because an administrator needs to add a protection notice (the padlocks) to a page in order to show the padlock on pages. Sometimes the padlocks do not get placed on a page, especially if it's a user page, unless if the protection notice is placed by an administrator. ] (]) 03:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== How to join discord ==
			:], I have done some page protection myself. Usually when I apply protection, I wish to see the "padlock" icon applied. Sometimes when I use the protection script, I forget to click the toggle which leaves the padlock icon. In that case, there's a bot which usually fixes that mistake automatically. If you see a protected page without an icon, you might tell someone. Do our answers help? ] (]) 03:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	How will i join discord.&nbsp;] (]) 09:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hello, @]. To actually answer your question: because nobody has implemented that function in the software. I don't know whether there is a technical reason for that, or whether it's just that nobody's got round to it. Questions about the software and user interface are better asked at the Village pump: either ] or ] ] (]) 13:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	*{{U|Tbiw}}, what is "discord"? ] (]) 09:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:{{ping|Heyaaaaalol}} Protecting a page is a log action in the MediaWiki software which powers Misplaced Pages and thousands of other wikis. It does not make an edit to the page. Logs are separate from edits. Displaying a padlock with a link is a Misplaced Pages practice. We do it by editing the page and adding special code which places a padlock in the corner instead of the normal text area. Other wikis may use no or other symbols for protected pages, place them in other places, and make no or other links on them. A MediaWiki feature to automatically display a symbol on protected pages was recently added at ] but it's disabled by default. I haven't examined how flexible it is but I guess it would be non-trivial for us to convert to using it when we already have a well-functioning system. There is so far only a single Wikimedia wiki which has set <code>wgEnableProtectionIndicators</code> to true in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. ] (]) 15:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Multiple non-free album covers on one page ==
	:Presumably ], which seems to have jumped in popularity in the last couple of months following the release of a new version and by the social conditions resulting from Covid lockdown making it particularly useful. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 10:01, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	::Ok, thanks 87 or 90! Assuming that is your question, {{u|Tbiw}}, it is beyond our scope here. We answer questions pertaining to how to edit en.wikipedia. That would be a question for the ]. ] (]) 10:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	*Hi {{U|Tbiw}}, if you want to join the Wikimedia discord server check out ]. ] (]) 12:07, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			For the album '']'', there's an associated EP located at the section '']''. The EP has an infobox but is currently without cover artwork, so I'm wondering if it's appropriate for the article to have another non-free image when one is already in use for the album's artwork. If not within free use, ''Brunch''{{'}}s artwork (seen ) is mostly text on a black background, so would I be allowed to crop out the non-text part and use that as a ] image in an infobox? ] (]) 04:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Editor of the week ==
			:Hi ], I do think that another cover would be within fair use. There's also been instances of this in the past like ]. Happy editing! ]]] 06:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	How is editor of the week picked.&nbsp;] (]) 09:27, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:] is an honor given by ]. Anyone can nominate an editor. The criteria are listed on the award's page, linked at the beginning of my reply. Once an editor is nominated and someone has seconded the nomination, a very small group of editors vets the nomination and assuming the nomination was in good faith and that the nominee doesn't fail any of the criteria, they are put into a queue and will recieve the award in chronological order. Further details can be found by following the links in this reply. Thanks for the interesting and different question, {{u|Tbiw}}! ] (]) 09:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			== afd ==
	== Why is my article contested and how do I get the draft approved? ==
			I really like a certain article, but it's afd, if it is deleted, is there a way to still view it ] (]) 05:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hi there, I created and would like to have it published as I think it is finished. It is also not promotional, but a mere translation of .
			:History checker ] (]) 05:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	'''Question1:''' The draft has been marked for "sppedy deletion" as you can see . Who did that, why has that been done and how can I get this undone? Or at least: What is the reason why the draft has been marked as "unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view"? Because it simply is not - otherwise it would be the same for the term in the German Misplaced Pages.
			:If the article is still "public" currently, you can save a copy for yourself: ] (maybe see also ]). Otherwise go to: ]. --] (]) 06:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::This appears to be about ], which has been in existance since 2003 and has been edited more than 700 times since then. While it is unlikely that it will be deleted, as noted, you can save a copy to your computer. ] (]) 13:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Hypothetically, could it be possible to write a netural autobiography? ==
	'''Question2:''' Where exactly do I have to go to for the apporval of the article - or where do I find the responsible administrator in charge of the approval process?
			Hypothetically, would it be possible for someone on Misplaced Pages to write a neutral autobiography of themselves? Showing the good and bad and making no favor to either side, providing proof and checking all of the boxes. How would that go and would it be accepted? What if say a Misplaced Pages administrator that is not really well known becomes for example the president of the US? Can they have oversight over their own article? Are they removed from their position? Can they no longer edit anything involving US politics due to their inherent bias? And finally has there been any real examples of this over the past 20+ years? ] (]) 05:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	Thank you very much. ] (]) 11:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hello, {{u|SimpleSubCubicGraph}}. Hypothetically, what you describe is possible but the president of the US example is implausible because credible candidates for that office would already be the subject of a Misplaced Pages article. More plausible would be a longtime editor elected to a state or provincial legislature. I see no reason why that person could not submit an autobiography through ] with full disclosure, have the article accepted and continue as an editor or even as an administrator. They should certainly recuse from the current legislative affairs of their state or province but otherwise I would not see a broader problem. As for whether anything like that has ever happened, I do not know. Maybe another editor does. ] (]) 06:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{u|Mannikosblog}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The speedy deletion tag was removed from your draft by another editor according to the edit history, so it will not be speedy deleted at least right now. There is no administrator in charge of approving or disapproving articles, if you submit your draft for review(which I will add the appropriate information to permit in a moment) any new page reviewer will look at it(and they are not just administrators).
			:@] welcome to the Teahouse! Interesting questions. I would say that while it is hypothetically possible, guidelines still strongly discourage creations of autobiographies and I haven't seen an instance of it being successful outside of early Misplaced Pages. This would have to go through ] and the editor should ] their conflict of interest. Subjects do not have oversight of their own article.
	:Be advised that what is acceptable on another language version of Misplaced Pages is not necessarily acceptable here. ] (]) 11:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:I would argue that if someone is elected president of the US they would have a financial relationship with the federal government and should stay away from editing those topics. I think they would have potentially less of a conflict of interest with state governments and historical united states politics. I don't think one would be removed as an administrator because they are elected to a public office here. I don't know of any Wikipedian that has been elected. ] is probably the closest to an example of this. ]]] 06:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Succeeding at autobiography is more likely to occur in an area such as ]. A senior professor at a university would have as models articles about other professors at their university. ] (]) 14:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:The only time I recall a good autobiography being written was when the CEO of a small business wrote one, submitted it for review, and it was accepted after some minor revisions. So it is possible.
			:By now I've gained enough experience on Misplaced Pages that I could probably write a neutral biography about myself, but because I am not notable, there's no point. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:a) It would probably go over reasonably well, presuming they followed the Correct way to do that kind of thing: don't create your own bio article (meaning here the literal "creating a new page in ]") and don't edit it directly but put up stuff on the ] for others to evaluate, revise, and put into the article if they decide.
			:b) No, ] and gets special "powers" over them. Since all Misplaced Pages content is "]" you and anyone else can copy it put it up elsewhere and do whatever with the copies, as long as you credit the original creators.
			:c) Why would they get adminship removed if they haven't misused it?
			:d) They probably ought to stay away from US politics content yes, being rather ]. Also realistically the POTUS is not going to have ample free time to devote to Misplaced Pages contributing, or to be inclined to devote what little precious free time they get to, doing more work.
			:e) Have a look at ]. --] (]) 17:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Wiki page written by subject or friend of subject? ==
	::{{u|331dot}} Thank you for you help. How long do you think will it take to publish/reject the article? ] (]) 14:07, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::::The draft ] has several paragraphs without references. Once existing references are properly formatted and more refs added, the draft can be submitted. The review process is typically days to weeks, but can be months. ] (]) 14:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			Hello, I saw a page on Misplaced Pages that looks like it was, based on the way it's presented, mostly written by the person who is the subject of the page, or a close friend. What is the standard flag or way to raise this on the page's talk page? Thank you for your help. ] (]) 08:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	==Hey wikipedia==
	Hey Misplaced Pages is there any volunteer who can understand Bengali here so that I can get guidance from them on my draft:Laal Kothi Paak Darbaar Sharif<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small>
	:{{u|Majun e Baqi}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If your preference is to converse in Bengali, there is a . You may find someone who understands Bengali at either the ] or the ]. ] (]) 11:20, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hello @]! Welcome to the Teahouse. The standard way is to tag the article with the ] on the main article page. Alternatively, you can use ] to tag it as well. ''']''' (]) 12:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Help us from getting targeted! ==
			:: Thank you for the help! I've added the {{tlx|Template:COI}} to the page in question (]) and as per the instructions on the template page I am have also added{{tlx|Connected contributor}} to the talk page, so editors can take it from there. Thank you again for the help and the friendly welcome, my issue has been resolved. ] (]) 21:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hi! We run a non profit for kids with cancer http://joinourfam.org and we are growing at a rapid pace. We recently did The Ellen Show, and have many big events coming forward. Due to the sensitive nature of the kids information we like to keep all of our stuff online as accurate as possible. Since getting this national exposure so many companies are in our inbox daily asking to make a Misplaced Pages page and charge us money. While we 100% want to be on Misplaced Pages and have had that on our goals list since 2018, we want to make sure we do it the right way. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks&nbsp;] (]) 13:43, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:::No problem! Feel free to reach out if you need any more help ''']''' (]) 06:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Whether an organization wants to be on Misplaced Pages or not is immaterial(there are actually ]). An organization does not get to determine if there is a Misplaced Pages article about it or not. Articles are typically written by independent editors, who take note of a subject in independent ] and choose on their own to write about it. We cannot stop you from hiring someone to do so, but they cannot make any guarantees(such as writing an article that will not be deleted). You should not hand over one penny until you see the finished result. Anyone you hire will need to make the Terms of Use-required ] and be familiar with ].(you too will need to do this as you state that you run the nonprofit) If your organization meets the special Misplaced Pages definition ] and you have significant coverage in independent reliable sources to support it, it would be best to simply allow independent editors to take note of your organization and write about it on their own.
	:Misplaced Pages is completely unconcerned with your "online presence" or helping ] your organization does. We're only here to write an encyclopedia. You are free to use social media or a website owned and operated by your organization to tell the world about what you do. ] (]) 14:11, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::I found very, very little on-line about the organization other than what the organization says about itself. This may be ]. If so, even a paid editor skilled in creating articles will not find the required references to make this work. ] (]) 15:22, 20 June 2020 (UTC) No problem, thanks guys, appreciate you taking the time to respond! Time to work harder! Cheers to all
			== Editing the Misplaced Pages page of "The crown" ==
	== All of the info in my doc was verifiable; can i resubmit the page if i change the sources to 3rd parties ==
			i want to edit the Misplaced Pages page of "the crown" on netflix why i wont add the seventh season of "the crown" if you cant tell the staff at netflix please add aditional information like the royal wedding of prince william and kate Middleton and the queen involvement in the 2012 summer olympics in london england alongside James bond!!! ] (]) 14:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hey all,
			:Hello IP Editor: there was no 7th season of The Crown, so your additions were inappropriate and were removed. Please don't add fake information to Misplaced Pages. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 14:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	My page was recently deleted. First, I would like to get back the code and work to better it based on third party sources ---> I had 3rd party sources for everything I just used company announcements and linked the 3rd party stuff in additional readings. Second, I am an employee of the company. I realized after publishing I need to disclose COI but I have revied the piece and none of it is advertisement, it is purely factual. Can I link to the site if they are a retailer and they alone have a list of their partners? And can I use them as the source for the company mission? They alone have published it.
			::False information is vandalism, which if continued can lead to your IP address being blocked and any account your subsequently register being blocked. ] (]) 15:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Look for verified information about future seasons. This isn't forums and speculations. ] (]) 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== The show button doesn't work on phone ==
	Thanks ] (]) 15:13, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{u|WaltJsmith}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to have a common misunderstanding as to what Misplaced Pages is. It is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves. This is an encyclopedia, which summarizes what independent ] with significant coverage say about a company, showing how it meets the special Misplaced Pages definition of ]. Misplaced Pages is not interested in what a company wants to say about itself. That includes what a company considers to be its "mission", which is impossible to independently verify as a company can change its "mission" at any time. The sources you had in your draft seem to be press release type stories or routine business announcements, which do not establish notability. As you describe your company as a "startup", it is likely ] about your company. In essence, your company must already be established in its field and be more than a "startup" to merit an article, so independent sources have had the chance to (on their own) take note of your company and choose to write about it. ] (]) 15:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			Hi. Some articles have dialouge box on top of them. But when we touch the show button on phone (Chrome for Android for me), happens. I don't know about desktop. ] (]) 15:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:What is an example of such an article? What happens when you use the Misplaced Pages app? Does it work then? ~] <small>(])</small> 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	Thanks for the quick response ]. Just wondering if it is notable because multiple third party sources have covered the topic and they are all publishing cryptocurrency news sites like Coindesk, theblock, and Cointelegraph. I linked them in the additional readings section and realize I should use them for sources. I falsely thought that press releases from the company itself were better because of its primary. I realize now how to change some of the stuff --> what you said about the mission statement totally makes sense. I am planning on making changes and submitting through article wizard... thoughts on that course of action? Again, thanks! ] (]) 15:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse.
	:{{u|WaltJsmith}} That is the way to go about resubmitting it. If the independent reliable sources are more than a simple announcement of a business transaction, as the sources in your first draft were, it may be possible for there to be an article. The coverage by the source needs to go beyond merely telling about something the company did.
			:I agree. If I look at ], I get that box (from template {{tl|expand language}}) at the top, but on a browser on my Android phone, when I pick "Show" it replaces the word "Show" with "Hide", but doesn't expand the box, so I can't see additional information.
	:Keep in mind that if your draft is accepted, you will no longer be able to edit it directly(with ]), and will need to make formal ] on the article talk page for future changes. ] (]) 15:33, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:However, the box has a "Learn more" button, and if I pick that it shows me a little more, but not the full information that I see on my browser on a computer.
	::{{reply to|WaltJsmith}}, to expand slightly on what {{u|331dot}} said above, the weird definition we use for "notability" includes a qualification that coverage not merely be in third-party sources but also that those sources be ones which are generally considered "reliable". This is a very squishy quality to assess so the assessment is reached by editors talking about it. ] to help centralize these prior assessments. Coindesk is not considered reliable: {{tq|There is consensus that CoinDesk should not be used to establish notability for article topics...}} I would suggest that any coverage of your company there should not be used as it will be rejected by other editors. I hope this helps. ] ] ] 17:04, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	*Could someone please post a link to the article in question? And if, as it seems, this is about cryptocurrencies, would someone please post the appropriate DS notification on the OP's talk? ] (]) 17:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)		:This looks like a bug in the user interface: ] is a better place to ask/report such things than here, and I suggest you post there. Thank you for pointing it out. ] (]) 18:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:] was Speedy deleted. ] (]) 23:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)		::I note that I cannot find any of these problems when I use the Misplaced Pages app. ~] <small>(])</small> 15:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How to find the full form of abbreviations on phone? ==
	Here is a link to all of their coverage of the company:https://www.coindesk.com/tag/lolli. Also, Coindesk is not the only source, was just an example of one of the one's that does cover it. Thanks, ] (]) 17:17, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			Hi. On Misplaced Pages, some abbreviation words have dotline underlines. When we hover the mouse cursor on them on PC we can see the full form. For example, TBA reveals to be "to be announced".
	== George Stinney ==
			But on mobile phones (Chrome for Android for me) there is no mouse so that we hover the cursor on them! So how can we find the full form of abbreviations on these dotline-underlined words in cellphones? Holding the word doesn't work.
	I seem to have unintentionally stepped into a series of edit wars on the ] page. I think I was right in removing graphic content that isn't sourced but also don't want to step into the 3RR. What should I do?&nbsp;] (]) 15:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:I have requested ] in this case, since it appears more like back-and-forth of unexplained removal of sourced content at best, and removing content if false edit summaries at worst. The edit today that contravened ] was more the drop that caused the barrel to overflow. ] (]) 16:23, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	::Ok, thanks so much! ] (]) 16:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			Look at for seeing the dotlines. ] (]) 15:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== How can I write about a new thing on Misplaced Pages? ==
			:That's one of the limitations of using a smartphone as a browser. There is no notion of "hover". I have seen hovering implemented in some Samsung phones, in which holding your finger near to the screen without touching it is sensed as a hover, but this worked only in certain apps and wasn't a universal experience across all apps on the phone. Unless someone has a better answer, I'd say that features reliant on hovering are generally not accessible on smartphones. ~] <small>(])</small> 16:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	&nbsp;] (]) 16:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			::Samsung devices with ] support actually support "hover" by well, hovering the S Pen close to the display. The display has an "active digitizer" that can sense the Pen with ]. Shows a little cursor and pops up stuff and you can hit the Pen's button to do things, very neat actually. ...Buuuut still doesn't work for the abbr stuff in browsers because it's handled differently in the system software (as it's not "really a mouse", it's handled by different code) and so doesn't "pass through" a mouse hover event down to the browser software. Shucks. --] (]) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{u|Nora nayeri}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It depends on what you want to write about, but Misplaced Pages is not necessarily for writing about "new things". Misplaced Pages has articles about subjects that have significant coverage in independent ] showing how they meet Misplaced Pages's special definition of ]. A subject usually needs to be well established to merit an article, otherwise it could be ]. ] (]) 16:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Oh yeah ]. Abbr and friends use the standard ] for such things, and browsers don't gaf apparently about making them "work" when there's no pointing device (mouse), and the attitude appears to be {{shrug}}. WP could implement some sort of JavaScript "workaround" that pops up a thing, but, that requires deploying something "globally" site-wide and that is a Big Deal so it needs Official approval: ask around at ] whether there's any effort in this direction. (FYI templates can't have JavaScript, it needs to be JS to "dynamically" add new page elements and display them)
	:{{ec}} {{re|Nora nayeri}} ] Or better, you probbably should not, unless that "new thing" has ] ] ]. In addition, please be advised that createing a new article is the absolute hardest task you can undertake on Misplaced Pages. If you still want to create an article, you can find advice at ]. ] (]) 16:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:In the meantime the "workaround" is to hit edit and look at the wikitext. Or you could also view the page HTML source and use the browser's "find" to go to the abbreviation which will show its definition. Also also there might be some ] someone has made to make it pop up, which you can "install" to use while logged-in. (You could also always plug in a mouse/trackpad/etc or connect a wireless one {{;)}}) --] (]) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::@], ], and ]: I couldn't find any such script, so ]. ]<sub>]<sub>]</sub></sub> (]/]) 05:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Is this something that needs to be deployed in the Misplaced Pages software, or is it something that a user can add to vector.js? ~] <small>(])</small> 15:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::@]: The latter. ]<sub>]<sub>]</sub></sub> (]/]) 17:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::{{reply|Aminabzz}} Well, JJP has a solution for you, but it requires that you be logged into Misplaced Pages to take advantage of it. Me, I use the Misplaced Pages app for reading Misplaced Pages on my phone, and I never encountered a "hover" situation in that app. ~] <small>(])</small> 17:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== GA Spotcheck ==
	&nbsp;] (]) 16:21, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:: Hey {{u|Nora nayeri}}! I suggest looking at already written articles on topics related to those you are interested in and looking for red links. Red links are all without articles yet. Good luck! ] (]) 17:49, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::I am going to contradict Jenhawk777. You have just registered as an editor. Your only article edits have been reverted. I strongly recommend you learn more about editing Misplaced Pages by working to improve existing articles rather than attempting a new article. On your Talk page I left some connections (blue wording) to tutorials and guidelines. Also, while some editors use their true name as their User name, Misplaced Pages advises young editors to not do this. Consider no longer using this account and registered a new one with a different User name. ] (]) 18:58, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::: {{u|David notMD}} Sorry. Mea culpa. ] (]) 19:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			Apparently I might've misunderstood what is needed for a source spotcheck in a good article review. Could someone please explain what is needed? ] '''(])''' 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Images ==
			:Appears that at ], date 1/1/25, there has been a question raised about GA nomination reviews conducted by History60432. ] (]) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	I need to include copyright proofs in images and I can't remember how. Can you point me in the right direction? Also on the inclusion of alternative descriptions for the blind, is that just alt=? Does it have posts around it? ] (]) 17:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC)&nbsp;] (]) 17:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			::Yes, that is why I am asking. ] '''(])''' 17:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{re|Jenhawk777}} Search in ]. If you meant permissions, you want ]. ] (]) 17:33, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:@], note 2 on the ] page explains source checking. If you're concerned that your interpretation isn't in line with the community's, you might find it helpful to discuss with other editors involved with the good article process at ]. ]&nbsp;] 17:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:: Okay {{u|Victor Schmidt}}, let's just assume I'm not very bright and that having already read that, I was unable to find something that said "put 'a' here by doing 'b'." In good WP fashion I got a description, and it went as far as saying "a tag should be on its own line." Where good Victor? Where? I thought all info on an image was supposed to be included inside the brackets of the file citation itself. ] (]) 17:47, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			::So it means Verifiable with no original research:
	:::Hello {{u|Jenhawk777}}. Regarding accessibility for the blind and visually impaired, please read ]. You simply type in a description of what is in the image into the "alt" field, such as "a still life painting of a vase of flowers, two pears and a plate of cheese ". This gives more information for blind people using a screen reader than a typical caption which might be "1879 painting by Jane Jones". As for copyright and licensing information, that goes in the file for the image itself, which may be hosted either here on English Misplaced Pages, or at ]. That does not go in the wikicode that displays the image on an individual page. You can access the image file page by double clicking the image itself, and then clicking "details". You can edit the file page if you need to. I hope this helps. ] ] 18:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			::it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
	:::: {{u|Cullen328}} So I go in and edit the information on the image itself?!!!! Yikes! I don't think I've ever done that! These images I am using have their copyright info posted with the "details"--is that what you're referring to? That would mean someone else has already done that edit, and I am good to go with those, right? One says I need a tag for the US. I guess I can follow and find that. Thank you thank you thank you!! You guys are great! ] (]) 18:18, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			::reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);
	:::::{{u|Jenhawk777}}, images are a tough subject to help people with. Some images are hosted on en.wiki, but most are hosted on Wikimedia Commons. Although most hosts here can help you with basics on Commons, it is a separate entity from en.wiki, with different policies and guidelines and Commons help is really outside our purview here. Additionally, policies both here and on Commons are purposely vague and are meant to be interpreted on a case by case basis. If you could point specifically to the file or files in question, we'd probably be able able to help you much better. ] (]) 18:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			::it contains no original research; and
	:::::::{{u|Jenhawk777}}, I agree with John from Idegon that it is best to describe your specific problem with a specific named image, because there is such a wide range of possible problems with the licensing status of images that generic answers are not likely to address the particular situation you are dealing with. ] ] 18:32, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			::it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism? ] '''(])''' 19:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::::: Thank you {{u|Cullen328}} and {{u|John from Idegon}} I didn't realize this was foreign territory to you too. :-) These are the images I'm using on : . Europe Occitane expulsions--disputed due to translation Baltic tribes central Europe, and this is the only one with copyright info posted on its licensing details. If I recall correctly--it's been a while--I think I have to hunt down the copyright info and be sure it meets criteria and then post it like you said, on the licensing info. Thanx for trying to help even though it's outside your wheelhouse. I'll stumble through and figure it out, this has given me a direction, so thanx again! ] (]) 19:41, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::::{{u|Jenhawk777}}, thanks for linking to specific images. I do not see problems with the licensing of any of those images, and you are free to use them anywhere you want on Misplaced Pages as you see fit. Why do you think that you need to do anything about copyright? What problems do you see? Neither John from Idegon nor I said that image usage is "out of our wheelhouse". We just asked for specific details so that we could give you a specific answer. ] ] 22:22, 20 June 2020 (UTC)		:::The '''note''' says {{tq| "Ideally, a reviewer will have access to all of the source material, and sufficient expertise to verify that the article reflects the content of the sources; this ideal is not often attained. At a minimum, check that the sources used are reliable (for example, blogs are not usually reliable sources) and that those you can access support the content of the article (for example, inline citations lead to sources that agree with what the article says) and are not plagiarized (for example, close paraphrasing of source material should only be used where appropriate, with in-text attribution if necessary)."}} ]&nbsp;] 20:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Okay I think i did that but do I just need to like write it down? ] '''(])''' 21:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	::::::::::{{u|Cullen328}} Sorry if I misunderstood, but I thought that's what John meant when he said {{t|it is a separate entity from en.wiki, with different policies and guidelines and Commons help is really outside our purview here.}} When getting an article ready for review for FA, I was told in the past that not having the copyright tags on the image licensing--I think that's where anyway--would be cause to fail the article. I get every image I use from Wiki commons and thought the statements of free use were sufficient, but I was told I was wrong. Does FA have different rules? ] (]) 02:41, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:::::Saying in your review what you checked is helpful. Perhaps read through ]. You might also find it useful to read through some GA reviews by experienced reviewers, see what they're doing in their written reviews that you can learn from. ]&nbsp;] 21:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::::::::{{u|Jenhawk777}}, of course incorrect or incomplete image licensing or unresolved copyright problems would be a major issue in an FA review, but I see no such problems with those images. So, I will ask again so that we can be clear about this matter. Specifically what problems do you see? What concerns you? ] ] |<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 03:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			::::::Thank you. ] '''(])''' 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	{{od}}{{u|Cullen328}} Copyright tags are supposed to be on images. I found them here:
	I was able to put them on this image-- --but was unable to do so on the others as they had no information on the original sources. That means there is no actual way to ensure that the person that uploaded it here and who says 'sure use it freely' actually has the right to say that. I think I have to go to Flicker and see if I can find where they came from originally.] (]) 06:36, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{u|Jenhawk777}}, the CIA image is a work of the United States federal government and is therefore copyright free. Indisputably. The other images have valid GNU or Creative Commons licenses. The uploaders made a legal declaration that the images were properly licensed and could be used freely. Why would you go to ] to research these images, which are maps and charts, not photos? What evidence do you have that any of these images has copyright or license problems? ] ] 07:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	::It looks to me, {{u|Jenhawk777}}, that you have mistagged File:Europe 814.svg. That image was not published before 1925. It is a contemporary image that used the pre-1925 atlas image as a source. That is an image licensed for free use under Creative Commons. It is not an image whose copyright has expired. ] ] 07:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	::{{u|Cullen328}} It says it's original source was "The Public Schools Historical Atlas" by Charles Colbeck. Longmans, Green; New York; London; Bombay. 1905. I may have misunderstood, but that's the copyright I was told to go by. So anyway, that has answered my question. Thank you ] (]) 07:56, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			== Creating an article heavily lacking sources :/ ==
	== Constructive Edits ==
			I've been working on trying create an article (]) but I've run into some issues; including after initial submission. The only sources I can find are mainly from various YouTube videos (not tied to the subject) and very few separate links; so it's no wonder why it wasn't accepted.
	Hello Teahouse,
			So I know what I've written down is true, but I don't have the secondary sources to prove it and that makes my info ]. What can I do? I was told I could try another Wiki (ex: Amusement Park Wiki) but is there anything I can do to keep it on Misplaced Pages? Thanks! ] (]) 16:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	I recently tried editing an existing wikipedia article with updated and corrected information on the subject, and I received a message from an editor saying that my edits "did not appear constructive." What does that mean exactly? I've looked through the various help pages but can not find any specific information as to what constitutes constructive edits.
			:@] Welcome to theTeahouse. I'm afraid not. ] are fundamental to Misplaced Pages articles. See ]. ]|] 18:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	Thank you!
			:Hello, @]. I agree with Shantavira. Please see also ] ] (]) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] @] Thank you both! I do believe that the article has potential in the future, but I also understand it isn't notable enough as of now. With the article being a history of a subject, there is older information that I fear may not be written about. My hope is that the new changes made this year were important enough to spark some kind of interest for a source; I'll have to wait and see. ] (]) 18:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::well i guess technically the changes were made last year...lol ] (]) 18:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::If you can find reliable sources, why not improve the '''Ride experience''' section of ]? ]&nbsp;] 18:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::That was a strong consideration of mine. I certainly won't be able to fit ''everything'' inside of the main article but it might not hurt to add a little more than what I already have there. Once again my biggest issue would be collecting sources; this seems more doable. Thanks! ] (]) 18:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] ] is not really notable and an entertainment topic, so please post it at . ] ] 02:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How do i delete a Wikepedia page? ==
	Aladinsane 1972&nbsp;] (]) 17:38, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{u|Aladinsane 1972}}, it appears to me that your edits to ] were intended as constructive. However, you supplied no reference in support of any of them, which I assume is why {{u|CommanderWaterford}} reverted them and posted to your talk page. ] (]) 17:53, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{u|Aladinsane 1972}}, first of all welcome to the Teahouse, good place to ask - but you could have also asked me directly on my talk page. Your edits were completely without any given source, you will need to give a reference for your allegations, that’s all. Thanks ] for pinging me. ] (]) 17:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	::<s>{{u|CommanderWaterford}}, you could be sanctioned for an ] violation. Explain here now how the OP's edits constituted ], which is what you called them. ] (]) 18:07, 20 June 2020 (UTC)</s>
	::: {{Re|John from Idegon}} Where do you see the word "vandalism" used? <span style="color:red">—]&nbsp;(])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 02:01, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::Getting too old to multitask. Sorry, I've struck that. ] (]) 02:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::{{u|John from Idegon}}, {{u|AlanM1}}, I see that word used in {{u|CommanderWaterford}}'s edit summary at ]: "Reverted to revision 929691772 by Bonnie13J (talk): Vandalism (TW)". ] (]) 08:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::: {{Re|Maproom}} Yeah{{Snd}} there's an inconsistency between the template naming/description and the content, which I've raised at ]. After choosing that template and reading the preview, a TW user can reasonably expect the softened terminology, and not "vandalism", to appear in the result. <span style="color:red">—] (])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 12:41, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			a school has a wikepedia page, (carlisle public schools) i have moved the page to inside the town page (carlisle masssachusetts) so how do i delete the old school page? it is useless (i moveed the page because it contains about only 1 paragraph, so why not make it a section) so yeah, if someone knows how to delete a page, please delete Carlisle Public Schools
	== Submission for Draft:Enyo Sam declined ==
			how to find page - go to the education part of carlisle, massachusetts, press carlisle public schools, and you will be there. ] (]) 19:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	Draft:Enyo Sam
			:] is an article. If you believe it should be deleted, the process is to nominate it for deletion via the ] process. What you added to ] was rightfully deleted because you did not include any references. See ] for an example of a referenced education section. I was going to point you to Acton or Sudbury, but those have unreferenced content. There is also ], but that has its own problems. ] (]) 20:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Okay, Thanks! ] (]) 20:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{re|Theawezomefriend12}} I'm going to offer some slightly different advice. For a small article in this situation: First copy the relevant text to the target article (the article about the town). If there are no references then be sure to add one or some. See ] for the correct process, if you are moving any text. Once that has been successfully done, turn the former article (the school district) into a redirect to the town as you did previously. There is no need to actually delete anything: redirects are useful for people trying to find things, such as information about Carlisle Public Schools, and can be safely left behind. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 21:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Thanks for the advice, i will remove the deletion (i dont know if thats possible i am new) and make the page redierect to Carlisle, Massachusetts. ] (]) 21:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::{{re|Theawezomefriend12}} I've helped a bit with the deletion part. The best way to learn is to just do things, so I'll leave you to continue the process (and will probably pop back in a bit). I'll just mention that it appears that the only reason your previous attempt was reverted was because you didn't include any references for the content you were adding/moving to the town article. Sufficient references probably exist in the district article so they can just be copied. If not, I'm sure they won't be difficult to find. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 21:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::oh ok, i am propably going to be moving the main description and the new gallery part i added, i probably will not be added refrences and external links. ] (]) 21:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Hi! PARIS ==
	I have provided reference to available sources of the draft which is legit. What should I do?&nbsp;] (]) 17:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:First: much of the content of the draft is a copy or close paraphrasing of ref #1, which makes it a copyright violation. Second: many of the references are not considered reliable sources by Misplaced Pages, including #1 (the artist's own website). Third: you have submitted this for a fourth time, with only minor changes from the declined third submission. ] (]) 19:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			Good morning, good afternoon or good evening. Happy new year 2025. Please how to move to the main space the ]. This research center in AI is now one of the most important in France : https://www.lesechos.fr/tech-medias/intelligence-artificielle/une-dotation-de-70-millions-pour-la-formation-de-lelite-de-lia-en-france-2096150 and https://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-hec-et-l-institut-polytechnique-remportent-l-appel-a-projets-cluster-ia-93818.html. Many thanks in advance for your help. Have a great day. ] (]) 21:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:The thing to realise, {{U|Samsave}}, is that Misplaced Pages is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says about themselves, or what their associates say about them. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have said about them (and been published in reliable places). The only one of the fifteen references which might meet that criterian is the Od7Music article (assuming that Od7Music are independent of Sam, and not, for example, his managers) - but there's not very much information about him in that. It would help establish notability, but is not enough on its own. None of the rest of the references contribute in any way to his notability. There's also the question of Fidarr: anybody can start a company and call themselves an entrepreneur. The complete lack of independent sources talkihng about Fidarr and his role in it say to me that even if sources can be found that establish his notability as a musician, his venture with Fidarr should not be mentioned at present.
			:On the AoPS Wiki go to ]. I don't know bout wikipedia tho ] (]) 22:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	: So, Samsave, what you need to do is
			::Sorry its ] ] (]) 22:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	:# Find at least three places where people wholly unconnected with Sam, and not prompted by an interview or press release, have chosen to write at some length about him, and been published somewhere with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking.
			:Bonsoir, IP user.
	:# If you cannot find three such sources, give up: he is not currently notable by Misplaced Pages's standard.
			:73. is right that the technique for moving pages is to use the ] function (though most people do it from their user-interface, rather than going to ].
	:# If you can find them, throw away most of what you have written, forget what you know about him, and start again, summarising, in your own words, only what these sources have written.
			:However, not logged in users do not have access to that function.
	:# When you have done that, you can add a certain amount of uncontroversial factual information from non-independent sources (see ] for details.
			:I was going to advise you to submit it for review. However, I see that the draft was created in mainspace user BobVillars (since blocked for sockpuppetry) was then moved to Draft space by @], was submitted for review by an ipV6 user in the same range as you, then moved to main space again by McSyl, also blocked as a sockpuppet of BobVillars, and moved back to draft space ''again'' by @].
	:# Drop all the citations to lyric sources, Apple Music, and Google
			:Neither you nor anybody else has since made any substantial edits to the draft.
	:# Citations to archived sites are fine, but they should have the original URL, and (much much much more importantly) information such as the date, title, writer if identified, and publisher or website directly visible in the citation. If the original URL is no longer valid, you can use <code>archive-url =</code> for the archive.com URL.
	:Finally: the fact that you have "Sam" in your username, and you uploaded the photo, claiming it as "own work" makes me wonder if you work for Sam Enyo. If you do, you are in breach of Misplaced Pages's terms of use until you declare your status as a ] on your user page and the talk page of your draft. --] (]) 19:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)		:I am finding it very difficult to ]. I will ask you directly: are you BobVillars/McSyl? If so, you are evading your block, which is not permitted. ] (]) 22:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hi Colin. Thanks for your answer. I don’t know what you are talking about. I am using 5G access so my Ip range is used by million of users. But if it is too complicated no worries, please cancel my request. This AI cluster is one of the most important in France and one of the biggest in Europe. So soon or later it will be back to mainspace. Have a great day. ] (]) 06:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== AoPS page ==
	Courtesy: ] ] (]) 20:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			Why isn't there a page for ]? ] (]) 22:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Revision removed - but I can't tell what (not why) ==
			: Hi IP 73.31.42.97. There could be a couple reasons why: (1) nobody thought enough about the book/series to try and create one; or (2) somebody did try to create one, but the subject wasn't deemed to meet ] and was either deleted altogether or added to ]. ''{{no redirect|Art of Problem Solving}}'' current ]s to the "Rusczyk" article and its ] shows that there once was a stand-alone article about the book/series, but it was "redirected" per ]. If you feel something has changed since then, you might want to first explain why to the administrator who closed the Articles for Deletion discussion. That administrator's name is {{u|Liz}}. Perhaps by asking at ], Liz can tell you what is needed for the article to be recreated or restored. -- ] (]) 22:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Where is Misplaced Pages year in review for iOS? ==
	I recently put a revision onto a site (https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_Peckett_and_Sons_railway_locomotives). It was one of several on that site that I have made. I am actively researching this subject and there are lots of errors on this particular wikipedia site. When I check the history it says one of my edits has been subsequently removed with the comment "identified as test/vandalism using STiki". It certainly wasn't vandalism. It may have been one where I was trying to work out how to achieve a particular change and wasn't sure how to but I was pretty sure everything I saved as a final edit was accurate.
			I am looking for Misplaced Pages year in review in iOS where is it? ] (]) 22:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	Is there a way to identify which amendment was removed?
			:Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user. This isn't something I'm familiar with, but a Google search yields this link which I hope gives you what you seek: https://www.mediawiki.org/New_Engagement_Experiments/PES_1.3.1:_Wikipedia_insights. Regards, ] (]) 01:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	Thanks
			== How to find vandalism on Misplaced Pages? ==
	David&nbsp;] (]) 18:18, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Hi ], welcome to the Teahouse. Sure - have a look at this link https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=List_of_Peckett_and_Sons_railway_locomotives&type=revision&diff=942739491&oldid=942739168&diffmode=source - there you will see the two different versions where ] reverted the Edit. Hope that helps. ] (]) 18:22, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	::Hi, {{u|Daphne737}}. The warning template (FYI, its ]) you received in February gave you the best advice on this. By your own statement here, that was a test edit. Minimally, when you make a technical edit you are not sure of, be sure to inspect it when done and if it doesn't render how you wanted it, self revert and seek help. We do encourage our editors to ], but you need to keep in mind we are making a product, and we shouldn't leave it looking worse than when we started. ] would be the proper title for your sandbox. Test edit there until you figure out how to use the code. The article you edited is a really good example of when tables are effective, but in general we overuse them. Don't feel bad about being confused...I've made over 100,000 edits here and the only way I can create or expand a table is to copy the code from another entry or table and change the data. Happy editing! ] (]) 18:40, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			The closest thing I have found to vandalism is on the page for the number 3, where someone changed references to “3” with “2.” I’m wondering how to find vandalism, so I can revert it. Most of my edits are fixing grammar. Thank you. ] (]) 00:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	Thanks for the link CommanderWaterford that is exactly what I needed - can't see why it was removed from that though nor why the system would have identified it as a test.
	There terminology used in the "boilerplate" response is either patronizing or aggressive depending on your sensitivity and not likely to encourage people to contribute.
	Glad to hear even the experts can struggle at times - I will perservere] (]) 18:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. If you'd care to read ], and especially the section linked from this shortcut: (]), you should have all the answers you need. Monitoring 'Recent Changes' is the best way to spot ongoing vandalism, and you can choose to select only certain types of edits which highlight the most likely problematic edits for you to assess and respond to, and ignore all the honest ones. Thank you for your interest in helping out in this field. Regards, ] (]) 01:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hello, {{U|Daphne737}}. I'm sorry you have had that experience. I can guess what happened (though only {{U|Materialscientist}} could tell us for sure). ] is a tool to help editors find and revert vandalism - which, as you probably know, is a significant problem on Misplaced Pages. It identifies suspect edits, but a human editor decides whether to act on those or not. I guess that your edit looked like many examples of vandalism because 1) it introduced a strange word into an article; 2) there was no source given for the addition; and 3) there was no edit summary explaining the addition. (In fact, I notice that that entry is one of many in the table which is unsourced). A STiki user will typically be viewing dozens of suspect edits, and hasn't very much time to spend on each.
	:So in short - sorry it happened; but you can make it less likely to happen again by using an edit summary, and citing references where possible. --] (]) 20:11, 20 June 2020 (UTC)		:Go to the “recent changes” link and there are filter options you can select. What you’ll want to do is choose “likely bad faith”, “very likely bad faith”, and “latest revision”. Then save that filter as your default. ] (]) 04:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== "Series of small edits" ==
	== Do you think actor Jacopo Rampini is notable enough to have a Misplaced Pages page? ==
			I find it difficult to follow and review edits for valid constructive contributions when an editor makes a "series of small edits" (example: , , ) where several of the edits could, IMHO, easily and conceivably be made in a single edit with a single edit summary encompassing all of what is edited. Is there policy or guidelines about this practice that could help me in a ] I am currently engaged in? ] (]) 00:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	*https://en.everybodywiki.com/Jacopo_Rampini - Ignore all wikis/user created content
	*https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5110245/ - Ignore all wikis/user created content
	*https://blindspot.fandom.com/Jacopo_Rampini - Ignore all wikis/user created content
	*https://www.broadwayworld.com/people/JacopoRampini/ - unsuitable source for notability- no in depth coverage
	*https://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/jacopo-rampini/credits/1058623/ - unsuitable source - no content
	*https://www.vanityfair.it/news/approfondimenti/2017/05/15/eta-del-caos-spettacolo-teatrale-rampini-spoleto - unsuitable source for notability - no in depth coverage] (]) 20:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
	:welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. I'm afraid not, based upon the sources you've given and which I've annotated above. But maybe there are other, better, in-depth, ] out there. You would need to find them to have any success. See ] and ] for details of our notability criteria. ] (]) 21:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Well, there's ], which touches on not making too large edits. There is probably better material than this, but I can't find it.
	== Misplaced Pages age ==
			:The point has been discussed on the Help/Teahouse desks before, and various editors have said that more smaller edits are better than one all-encompassing one, because if only one or two of several small edits are objected to, they can be reverted individually, but if they're part of a larger edit the whole thing has to be reverted and then it becomes difficult to sort out which details are accepted and which disputed.
	How old is Misplaced Pages?&nbsp;] (]) 00:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:I myself, when reading an article for its content, sometimes make small edits as I go along on noticing typos, misspellings, incorrect grammar, etc. If I were to be deliberately setting out to copyedit the article (I used to be a professional editor) I would likely make them in larger batches, perhaps one per Section or Subsection (basically, as often as is present in the text), because that makes for a smaller and easier chunk (with all its confusing reference codings) to navigate in the edit box.
	: {{re|QwertyDummy}} Welcome to Misplaced Pages. I added a header to your question. According to the article, ] was founded in Jan 2001. ] (]) 00:21, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:In general, I don't think an editor making good-faith edits need think primarily of the convenience of some hypothetical would-be reverter, and I wouldn't criticise anyone for making successive small edits. Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 02:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	::{{ping|QwertyDummy}} And see also ]. ] (]) 16:18, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			::Small or a series isn't the issue really. It is that several of the edits could fall under a single edit summary, and therefore could be made as one. I am curious about this comment though, "{{tq|Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter}}", because that is kind of what I think is the heart of the matter. How can you differentiate between the two if we are not allowed to scrutinize editing behavior which is a mix perhaps of both lots of small, with some more impactful edits laced in there? ] (]) 14:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::The key being the "lots of small" could just as easily be one edit under one edit summary, and then more larger or more substantive edits separately under another. If the "lots of small edits" are all broken into separate edits, for me at least, it makes it harder to check on someone's editing in the first place to determine IF there is in fact a case of real vandalism, deliberate edit-count inflation, or some other intended obfuscation. ] (]) 14:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::You can differentiate because if it is a cover for vandalism, you can point out the vandalism. Edit-count inflation these days is mostly people trying to game their way to extended confirmed status - the edits you point out here are from an editor who already has that status. There's no policy against editing this way - this editor isn't doing anything wrong.
			::::If you want to examine a set of contiguous edits at once, you can get a multi-edit diff by using the radio buttons on the history page of the article in question. ] (]) 14:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Understood, and no accusation of vandalism has been levied, but if several edits could be made under a single edit summary, is there any policy that they should be? That is really the essence of my question. ] (]) 14:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::There is not. ]&nbsp;] 14:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::Ok. Thank you for answering my question then. ] (]) 14:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:How isn't that benign? Is there an issue with the individual edits? My editing tends to match my own writing (on non-Misplaced Pages, Word, etc.): dump a bunch of text, and make then increasingly granular refining edits. -- ] (]) 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Political Party Relations ==
	== Best-Practice for Rewriting an Article ==
			Just like how we have ], should we have that for political parties kind of like below but for whole countries? These would be based on the infobox political party preceded by/succeeded by/merger of/merged into. If so would these be their own article or would they be in the many "List of political parties in ___"? I am curious and want to know if these are wanted/needed.
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			:Hi ], that's an interesting idea, you might want to pitch this at ]. ]]] 03:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	I've discovered that the article on ] is in pretty bad shape; it might be easiest to start with a clean slate. I'm hoping that someone can help guide me on what the best-practices are when considering re-writing an article.
			::Okay, I'll do that, thanks. ] '''(])''' 03:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Freedom of Panorama Inquiries ==
	Here are some specific questions that I have:
	# Is it advisable to re-write the article? How can I best respect the article history?
	#* Should I do a re-write in my sandbox, then release the content all at once, or write a section at a time in the live article? Maybe some combination of the two?
	#* In the ] another user, ] already ] in their sandbox. It's a good start, but it still needs work. Perhaps the article should be re-written in ''their'' sandbox?
	# I think that the page should be moved so that instead of using the brand name '''Freeline Skates''', it uses the generic name '''Freeskates'''.
	#* Is a page move advisable here?
	#* Would that be done before, during, or after updating the content?
	#* This brings up ambiguity between the hypothetical '''Freeskates''' article, and the ] article on the form of ice skating. I think that a ] would be sufficient for that case. Does that sound right?
	# For such a niche sport, I'm concerned about finding ''really'' solid sources. It looks like most sources are supplier "about" pages, blogs, and YouTube videos. My plan right now is to try to not get research paralysis and get ''something'' on the page, with the intent to find ''really'' good sources later. Does that sound like an okay plan?
			This is regarding the article ]. The site where the restaurant once stood was torn down 2008, and I wanted to inquire regarding the best way to navigate ] and ] rules on Misplaced Pages in order to get photographs of the site on the page. This is probably best asked on Commons, but I'm not familiar with where I might be able to ask on there either. ] (]) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	Thanks so much for your help! I really appreciate your patience with my beginner's questions.
	I want to ensure that I follow best-practice for a scenario like this. Let me know if there's anything I can clarify for you!
			:Hi ]. I think you can take a picture of the where the restaurant once stood and upload it here, which should be fine under ] which also allows incidental inclusion of copyrighted, non-architectural work (also ]). You would still be able to release a photograph that you took of publicly viewable buildings under a free license.
	Thanks,&nbsp;] (]) 00:35, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:If you are asking about whether an inclusion of a ] is allowed, I'm not sure but I think that it meets all the criteria seeing that the building was demolished and if a suitable free photo cannot be located. ]]] 05:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hi {{u|Justiyaya}}, thank you so much for your time! Truthfully I'm uncertain about using a photograph of where the restaurant once stood because it would be irrelevant to the content of the article (or at least for the intended use within the infobox). I am more asking about if I am able to use a non free file, yes, is there a venue where I can have a conversation with individuals who are more familiar with the matter? I'm not entirely sure if there is a relevant noticeboard/talk page/etc where I can bring this matter up with, if you or one of the editors here know one do let me know! ] (]) 05:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::@] I think it would be a good use of an non-free file. ] would be a relevant noticeboard for asking these types of questions. Commons won't be the place to go because they don't deal with non-free stuff. Hope this helps and happy editing! :D ]]] 06:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Wonderful! Thank you so much for the assistance {{u|Justiyaya}}, didn't know there was a place like that! I'll go and send them a message hopefully within the week, I hope you have a wonderful day! ] (]) 07:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Why am I blocked from doing stuff on Russian Misplaced Pages? ==
	==== Is a page warranted? ====
	After scrolling through some of the other teahouse comments, maybe the sporting equipment isn't well-known enough to warrant a Misplaced Pages page? If necessary, I can provide links to some vendors that might provide evidence for popularity... let me know! 00:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	::{{re|Raspberry Curator}} Welcome to Teahouse. After reading your whole Questions and the articles you are talking about like ] and ]. In between you want to move ] to '''Freeskates'''. And your another question is should you rewrite the article or not.
	:: *Taking the first point of ''Page Move'', first all you should be clear that whether ] and ] are similar or on same thing? If yes, then you have to ''']''' not '''Move'''.
	:: *Now another question is rewrite. If you think it should be rewritten and you have the more valid sources (most preferred ]) then you are welcome to rewrite. You can rewrite in sandbox and then copy and paste it in main article. Also you said I will add reference later, it would be better if you rewrite the article and don't not copy-paste it to main article until you get some valid references for your edits.
			According to my global account information I've been indefinitely blocked from doing anything other than viewing the Russian Misplaced Pages because I'm "using multiple accounts or having others promote me (so what I say is seen more correct)", but I'm not? I don't know anyone else with a Misplaced Pages account and as far as I know I only have one. It's just on the Russian Misplaced Pages, none of the others. I haven't really done anything on the Russian Misplaced Pages anyways. I've only edited my own user page. Why did this happen and how do I fix it?
	*Now Conclusion:
	#We discussed page move, where I suggested '''Merge'' if topic is on same thing, and you believe that it should be in ] instead of having separate article.
	#Rewrite: You can rewrite in your sandbox as Sandbox is a experimental page. But try add valid references to your editing, otherwise it ''can be'' reverted by other editors.
	:::Hope you got some help from these points, if you have any confusion, kindly reply here, I or any other editor will be there to assist you. Thanks and regards — ] ] 03:05, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			More information:
	{{U|Raspberry Curator}}, let's assume for a moment that an independent page (however titled, and whether concentrating on a concept or on a trademarked product) that would replace the (very feeble) ] is warranted and that ] is worthwhile as a start. I'd suggest that you copy the content of ] to ] (or somewhere else in your userspace), your very first edit to it (your creation of it) having the edit summary "copied from ]". Then edit it ruthlessly. When you're happy with it, announce at ] your intention to replace ] with it. Wait two weeks. If there's no objection, first move ] to the new title (if you're giving its replacement a new title) and then ask an admin to move your draft there to replace the old (non-) article. -- ] (]) 05:20, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			The exact stated reason was обход блокировки (bypass blocking) and it linked . It also gave me a link to . ] (]) 04:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hi @], welcome to the teahouse. English and Russian Misplaced Pages are moderated differently, so a block there should not affect editing here nor could the community here fix anything there. From what I've been able to see with google translate and all, it appears that you've been checkuser blocked by @{{u|Q-bit array}} without email or talk page access. The administrator appears to monitor cross wiki notifications so hopefully they would respond here. They also appear to monitor ]. Usually appeals without talk page access go through ] but I can't seem to find a similar system in ru-wiki. ]]] 05:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	{{U|Hoary}} and {{U|TheChunky}}, your replies really helped to clear things up for me. I feel like I have a clear path forward with the article now. I look forward to contributing to this article and others into the future. Thank you so much! ] (]) 07:07, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			::{{u|Красный Октябрь}}, the English Misplaced Pages and the Russian Misplaced Pages are entirely separate projects. Each has its own policies and guidelines, and its own separate teams of administrators. Here at the Teahouse, we can do our best to help you with problems you may have on the English Misplaced Pages. But we have no knowledge, power nor influence over the Russian Misplaced Pages, which is an autonomous project. ] (]) 08:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Do you know where I can go on the Russian Misplaced Pages to get it fixed? ] (]) 14:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hello again, @] I think the relevant section is ]. ] (]) 15:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::I went through the whole section you linked and it gives me instructions to request an unblock but I can't because I can't access my talk page or edit my user page. I can't find other ways to contact the person who blocked me as well. ] (]) 16:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::If there is no off-wiki means of contacting Russian Misplaced Pages administrators, I think you will need to contact a steward(https://meta.wikimedia.org/Stewards) who may at least be able to advise you better than we can. ] (]) 16:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Thank you! ] (]) 17:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::I messaged one of the stewards . Thank you for helping me find where to ask! ] (]) 17:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Responding to the "why did this happen" aspect, the most likely explanation is that your IP at the time you edited your userpage is similar to or within a range used by someone evading blocks on ru.wiki around the same time. Either that, or a more random human error on the blocking admin's part. <sub>signed, </sub>] <sup>]</sup> 16:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Notice of geological updates ==
	:Hello, {{U|Raspberry Curator}}. In answer to one part of your question: "For such a niche sport, I'm concerned about finding really solid sources. It looks like most sources are supplier "about" pages, blogs, and YouTube videos. My plan right now is to try to not get research paralysis and get something on the page, with the intent to find really good sources later. Does that sound like an okay plan?", I would say, No, that's a bad plan. If you can't find independent sources, then an article on the subject will never be accepted, and any time you put into writing it will be wasted. Articles ''start'' with the good sources, not with "getting something on the page". --] (]) 08:35, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			Hi, in the past few months, I was working on pages regarding the periods, ages and other units of the geological timescale, and noticed a , compared to the , that affects the time boundaries of a lot of ages. I didn't know which talk page or portal I could specifically notify of this change, so I came here to speak about it.
	::Understood. Thanks, {{U|ColinFine}}! --] (]) 16:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			Now, I don't want to linger on a change like this here, since that feels like advertising which I KNOW Misplaced Pages is not about (see
	== Status of submission ==
			]). But I know a change like this is going to require a lot of edits to catch up with, and I for sure can't do it alone. So does anyone know a good project/portal page I can discuss this more on? — ] (]) 05:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hi ], thank you for your question. ] would be the best venue to discuss this. I don't think this is soapbox like if you are advertising on-Wiki collaboration. The policy refers to more so advertising on Wiki things off-wiki. Discussions with other community members that share the same interest is what these Wikiprojects are for :D ]]] 05:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	How do I track the status of my submission? How soon do I get to know whether it's accepted and published or not?&nbsp;] (]) 01:25, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{u|AvinashBollywood}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have not actually submitted your draft for review; you need to click the blue "Submit your draft for review!" button to do that. However, if you were to do so at this time, your draft would almost certainly be rejected, as you offer no independent ] to support the content of the article. Successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Misplaced Pages, it takes much effort and practice. Instead of submitting your draft, I would first suggest that you use the ] and read ].
	:In order to merit an article, this author needs to be shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet the special Misplaced Pages definition of ]. Social media accounts and a book listing are not such sources. ] (]) 01:34, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			== Request to Update Image ==
	== Follow-up to ] ==
			I noticed that the current image used at ] is from 2021, but there are more recent images from 2024 available on Wikimedia Commons.
	i have a request,i should upload a writeup regarding of "How an ESP can design in high viscosity oil wells" . This is my write up.
	this would help others . please let me know if this topic is acceptable.&nbsp;] (]) 01:57, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	: {{re|Ellipzys}} Welcome to Misplaced Pages. As mentioned in the previous replies, Misplaced Pages does not accept original research. See ]. ] (]) 02:17, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	its not original research, research already done but the informations are limited in internet. SO i planned to upload in wikipedia <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:20, 21 June 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	: You can use ] to see the instructions for writing an article and use the wizard there to create a draft for review. ] (]) 02:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	::You were advised on your Talk page that your User page is not a place to create an article (hence deleted). Also, the existence of information accessible via internet searches does not mean that those sources meet Misplaced Pages's definition of reliable sources ]. Looks to me that ESP refers to Electrical Submersible Pump. ] exists as an article. Perhaps - if you can identify valid references - you can add to that article. ] (]) 11:08, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			I kindly request an extended-confirmed user to review and consider updating the image to
	== Adding property ownership of Nehru Maidan ==
			"Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg", Image is from recent - i dont recommend the images with the bitcoin flag.
			Thanks.. ] (]) 07:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	I have added names of the Nehru Maidan property owners who vested the property with city corporation. Is mentioning the name of title holders in violation? Please clarify&nbsp;] (]) 02:56, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{ping|Joelwin}} Welcome to the Teahouse! I see you made an edit to the ] article, which was reverted by another editor, who explained the reason for the reversion on your talk page. Per the ], I suggest you start a discussion at the article's talk page - ] - and provide a reliable source for the information you would like to be added to the article. While the word "Altruistic" may be true, it's not the type of encyclopedic language we use in Misplaced Pages articles. Your edit also had improper capitalization and used "it's" instead of "its". Happy editing! ] (]) 03:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	::{{ec }}Hello, {{U|Joelwin}} and welcome to the Teahouse. It would not be unreasonable to add a statement of the former ownership of the facility to ], '''provided''' that you cite this information to an ] published ].
	::I see that you added the information in and {{U|SuperGoose007 }} reverted. In such a case, the best course ism to follow mthe ] and start a discussion on ]. Please give your reasons for the edit and why you think it should be included in the article. I note that your edit did not provide any source, which may be why it was reverted by the other editor. I also note that it described the givers as {{tqqi|an Altruistic Mangalorean Konkani Catholic family}} which is ] and ], especially when unsourced. Please do not include such opnions in Misplaced Pages's voide in future. ] ]] 03:33, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hi ], welcome to the teahouse! Although the image ] is more recent, I don't think it provides the same quality and clarity as the image currently in the article. I don't think this change should be made. ]]] 07:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	== How to add picture in someone's page ==
			::Hey, thanks for the solid feedback! fully understood ] (]) 07:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{ping|Ayohama}} I'd hold off in trying to use ] or any of the other images of Yousuf uploaded to Commons by ] until the claims of "]" can be verified by ]. All the images that were uploaded by Lonely34 can be found being used online on sites like X, Facebook, Instagram, etc, from May 2024 onward prior to their being uploaded to Commons, some even with ]. This doesn't necessarily mean they weren't taken by Lonely34, but the general licensing of those sites is too restrictive for Commons per ] and in such cases ] needs to be verified. If the licensing of any or all of those images ends up being verified, you can add them to the body of the Misplaced Pages article about Yousuf if you want but probably should propose changing the infobox image on the article's talk page to see what others think. -- ] (]) 08:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::{{u|Ayohama}}, even if the issues that {{u|Marchjuly}} describes can be ironed out, I would oppose the use of the image that you are proposing for the infobox. That is a mountaineering summit style photo, and this person is not a notable mountaineer even if he paid a lot of money to climb the standard tourist route on Mount Everest with the help of Sherpa guides. He is a cryptocurrency investor not a serious mountaineer and it is not appropriate to portray business people with golf clubs or tennis rackets in their hands. Or flags on mountain tops. This is not 1952 and rich people climbing Everest is not a notable accomplishment these days. ] (]) 08:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::One of the references used to verify the claim about him climbing Everest says (in English translation) {{tpq|I had never climbed a mountain before, Everest was my first}}. This is not indicative of a serious mountaineer but rather a rich person willing and able to pay actual Sherpa mountaineers to help him get to the top for publicity purposes. ] (]) 09:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Although it doesnt seem to be that easy for me to climb everest as it seems for you. I think its still very dangerous and a notable achievement ] (]) 09:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Agree with you ] (]) 09:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Thanks for the hint, i thought the Metadata is correct ] (]) 09:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::{{ping|Ayohama}} The uploader or someone else has emailed Commons VRT regarding these files and is currently being processed by VRT. Assuming things check out, the ] added to each file's page will be changed to ] by the VRT member reviewing the email. Once this happens, the files will be fine from a copyright standpoint; so, in principle, they're OK to be used. From an encyclopedic standpoint, though, things might still need to be sorted out on the article's talk page, particularly if others feel (like expressed above) that they shouldn't be used in the main infobox. One representative image in the body of the article should, however, be OK. -- ] (]) 10:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Was thinking after our conversations, the infobox is not the right place there. MAYBE at Personal life, where context is about Everest is fine. Max ] (]) 10:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::According to ], more than 6,000 people have summited Everest (as of 2022), so agree that if any placement at all, then at Personal life. ] (]) 11:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::::And the record for a non-Sherpa (actually an Englishman) is 18 (exceeded by 9 individual Sherpas). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 05:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::::] claims of "own work" are now verified by ]. If you want, you can go ahead and place the ] under "Personal Life". I guess the article itself is interesting to work on in the future- the tone is sometimes too promotional and the text layout weird- Reads like a chronology rather then a WP Article. ] (]) 13:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Help with improving references and notability for Eugene Vollmer draft ==
	How to add picture in someone's page&nbsp;] (]) 04:48, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Hello {{u|Mugdho Dutta}}, Welcome to the Teahouse. You can use the tool "upload file" from left hand side bar. Before uploading, please make sure the picture is not a copyrighted material(i.e. it should be free to use in Misplaced Pages). More information about this can be found at ] - ] -> <small>]</small> 05:07, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			Hello! I submitted a draft for ] but it was declined because the references didn't show significant coverage. Could anyone assist me in finding reliable sources or improving my draft to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines? I appreciate any guidance! ] (]) 08:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{re|Mugdho Dutta}} Welcome to Teahouse! You are also welcome to contribute Misplaced Pages and it's sister project. If you want to add a picture to any page, first you should be clear that the picture is important there on that page. You can read ] for uploading pics. And you can upload pic, audio, video files at . For adding them to Misplaced Pages article, you can see ]. — ] ] 05:07, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:{{u|Sammy Tremlinn}}, your draft fails to make the case that Vollmer is a truly notable athlete, although it seems that he was once highly ranked in an amateur track and field event in a country of less than a million residents. At first glance, that does not seem to be a plausible claim of notability to me. But I could be wrong. In the end, it is all about whether or not multiple indisputably reliable sources independent of Vollmer have devoted significant coverage to him. Your current sources are not independent of Vollmer and therefore do not meet that threshold. ] (]) 09:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thank you for the feedback, Cullen328. I understand the importance of independent and significant coverage for establishing notability. I will work on finding additional sources that meet these criteria and provide substantial information about Eugene Vollmer's achievements. If you have any suggestions for where I might look or types of sources to prioritize, I’d greatly appreciate it! ] (]) 10:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::] might be a starting point: many of those entities are likely to be ]. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ] (]) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== New page ==
	== To move from Sandbox to Publish ==
			Hello, I was thinking of making a new page about the New Zealand retail company PB Technologies, but I think I'll be going in too far over my head if I start it myself, so I was wondering where I could propose the Idea so that I could join forces with a more experienced Wikipedian to make the page a reality. ] (]) 08:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	I posted A Profile which is in my SANDBOX titled A profile of Dr. Ulaganathan sankar under the category 20th Century Indian Economists in February 2020. When will it be published?&nbsp;] (]) 06:45, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Hey {{re|Mythili2020}} Welcome to Teahouse, you are new user, if you have completed your article in Sandbox then you should create a draft. See ] . You must create a draft and them submit it for review. To know about creating new article see ]. Hope this helps, if any problem kindly reply here. — ] ] 06:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hello. You can go to ], but it is backlogged to the point of uselessness, any request you make there will likely not be acted on for some time, if ever. You are wise to be cautious in attempting to create a new '''article''', but if you want to see one created, it likely won't happen unless you do it yourself. You can use the ] to create and submit a draft for review by more experienced editors. You would first need to gather independent ] to summarize in an article, and review the ] to see if this business meets it(most do not).
	I have posted matter in the SANDBOX. It is a profile of a person. How do I come to know if the material is still in process or dismissed? Please help&nbsp;] (]) 07:10, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:If you are associated with this business, that needs to be disclosed, see ] and ]. ] (]) 10:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Articles about companies need to comply with ] and call for attention to being neutral point of view, not in any way promotional. Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be coauthors. ] (]) 12:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Adding unnumbered tracks to an upcoming album ==
	How to move the content from SANDBOX to DRAFT?&nbsp;] (]) 07:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			Hello,
	:Nothing's going to happen to that draft until you ask for an evaluation. For now, don't do this. Please remember that Misplaced Pages doesn't have profiles; it has articles. And that everything said (and not just a sizable minority of what's said) in an article has to be referenced. And that the way to reference is not <nowiki>"<sup></sup>"</nowiki> but instead something like <nowiki>"<ref>Author, '', Website, date. Accessed accessdate.</ref>".</nowiki> -- ] (]) 07:26, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			This artist has been teasing some track titles (and snippets) from their upcoming album, ]. Some titles are speculated, some were directly teased and are confirmed. How would I go about adding those tracks, assuming I don't know their numbers? The album has a Spotify countdown page, so the two pre-released singles have already been added in track list format. ] (]) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	Please don't start multiple threads, each asking the same thing. (I have merged your second and third into this first one.) -- ] (]) 07:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:], I read that this album "scheduled to be released on February 21, 2025". I suggest that you simply wait until February 21, 2025. -- ] (]) 12:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Oh, that's fine. I was just following what I saw was done with SZA's '']'' 10 days prior to its release. Thank you! :) ] (]) 12:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hi ], in that article, ] that reported on the teasers for the singles. If that is the case for this album, I think a mention in the Promotion section could be nice. Things that are not being reported on by reliable, independent sources or are pure speculation are usually not included here, especially if they are self published or original research. Feel free to drop sources here for us to take a look :D ]]] 12:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::These are my sources (and titles):
			::::"Dear god" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok
			::::"Revolving door" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok
			::::"Moments" - Title posted on her management's Instagram as a collaboration with Spotify on December 13, 2024
			::::"Greenlight" - Played at listening party and title shown in album trailer
			::::"Star child" - Title shown at the beginning of the "]" music video
			::::Would these sources be considered reliable? I have links/pictures/videos to each of those ] (]) 13:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Unfortunately none of those are secondary sources, @]. What we're looking for is mainstream music journalists who are reporting on the album. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 17:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Oh, I thought I could take them from the artist themselves. Thank you! I'll wait until release. ] (]) 18:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::No, sources from the person that the article is about are considered ]. <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 22:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:I suggest to wait till release too ] (]) 13:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			== English Version of the German Article Judith Kakon ==
	to create draft
			Hello there, I just want to create the same article in english, I already created this article in german, all I want is to have a translated version. Could you please help me? My request was already denied twice.
	&nbsp;] (]) 07:35, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			This is the german article: Judith Kakon. ] (]) 14:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] It appears as if German Misplaced Pages has the same concerns as English Misplaced Pages; that the article does not sufficiently prove its subject's ]. Please read ] and ]. ]'']'' 14:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	: {{ping|Mythili2020}} Please tell us about the topic you are considering for your new article, and whether you've attempted to determine if it meets Misplaced Pages's peculiar definition of notability. This trips up a lot of people. (BTW, if you really want to help, you can work on fixing problems with existing articles. There's always plenty of articles that need fixing.) ] (]) 07:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			::] has no references. The content that is now under a description of her approach to art (my wording) comes across as either your or her description. All of this should be deleted unless it can be referenced to published descriptions of her and her work. ] (]) 14:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hey @]
			:It’s great that you’re interested in contributing to the English Misplaced Pages by translating an article. However, there are a few things to consider to ensure the article meets the standards required on the English Misplaced Pages:
			:1. Improving the Original Article: The ] you created currently has notices indicating issues with missing citations and important information about the subject’s works. These issues suggest that the article may not yet meet Misplaced Pages's notability and verifiability standards. Before translating the article, it’s a good idea to improve it by:
			:- Adding reliable and independent sources that demonstrate Judith Kakon's notability.
			:- Including details about her important works or achievements.
			:2. Meeting English Misplaced Pages Standards: The English Misplaced Pages has specific requirements for biographies. It’s important to:
			:- Demonstrate notability according to the General Notability Guideline (]).
			:- Provide inline citations from reliable sources to back up claims.
			:- Write in a neutral tone without promotional language.
			:3. Translation Guidelines: When translating articles, you must include a note on the article’s talk page to credit the original German version. See the ] for details on how to do this properly.
			:4. Steps to Resubmit: Once you’ve improved the content and addressed the above points:
			:- Draft the translated article in your sandbox.
			:- Add sources that meet English Misplaced Pages’s standards.
			:- Submit it for review through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process.
			:If you need help improving the article or drafting it in English, feel free to ask here. ] (]) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Last aired date in the future ==
	::{{U|Fabrickator}}, see ]. {{U|Mythili2020}}, if you have a new question, please put it in ''this'' section; please don't put it in a new one. -- ] (]) 08:48, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			This article revison ] has a last aired date for series 2 which is in the future. What is probably meant is that the last episode is scheduled for broadcast on that date, but as it was worded it is factually incorrect. I've seen this on other such articles in the past. Has there been any discussions about wether this is acceptible or not? If so, can you direct me to any official decisions? ] (]) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	An editor moved it from your Sandbox to ]. I created section headings. Once you create proper referencing, you can click on the submit button. Once submitted, can be days to months before it is reviewed, and either accepted or declined (with advice on what is needed), or in worst cases, rejected. ] (]) 11:21, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:See ] - Specifically, see the section NOTCRYSTALBALL, which states that Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. Articles should not speculate on future events unless they are verifiable and sourced. The correct phrasing should reflect that the episode is "scheduled to air" on that date to maintain accuracy and neutrality. ] (]) 07:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Follow-up to ] Specify links to images and works of an artist in her article ==
			== How do I clean up formatting of tables? ==
	I recently asked about putting images of an artist and her works in a Misplaced Pages article and found that it would be difficult to get copyright permission. My follow-up question is about putting links in an article to an external site that had a photo and showed some artworks. Often the reference list will have links to external articles or sites that will show photos and artworks but I wonder if it's Ok to put something explicit in the body of an article such as "
			On the ] article, the ''Rankings'' section has quite poor formatting; the ranking tables are being displayed fully below the Library and Barnard images on the right side. How would I go about cleaning up table formatting in wikitext to remove the large blank gap? ] (]) 21:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
	A photo of Jane Bloggs can be found on the University of Utopia page and her artworks can be seen at the Beautiful Gallery page". The links would be from the names of the institutions. This happens incidentally anyway sometimes when there are external links in the article, but could it be a specific sentence to direct readers to the images or even a subheading section to make it easier to find?&nbsp;] (]) 07:51, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:I solved it by removing those images:) ] (]) 07:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	: Hi {{u|LPascal}}. Generally, external links shouldn't be embedded into the bodies of articles per ] and item 19 of ]. Moreover, text directing readers to external websites (e.g. "To see some examples of Bloggs' work, check this website.") shouldn't really be added the bodies of articles as well. If you feel the links aren't a problem per ], then the best place to add them would be to the "External links" section; however, be aware that Misplaced Pages encourages us to try and limit external links to "official" websites as much as possible per ]. Ideally, the only links which should really be added to directly to the body of an article should be ] (i.e. internal links) to other relevant Misplaced Pages articles. -- ] (]) 08:11, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	: Some other suggestions based upon looking at some of your edits to ]
	:# Please don't add citations to section headings per ]. You add should add ]. If you want add a citation for a specific entry in a table of list, add it directly to that entry. If the citation is intended to support the all of the content in the table of list, then add an introductory type sentence before the table or list and add the citation to that.
	:#Please don't use "level-1" section heading syntax for sections of articles as explained in ]. Level-1 section headings are reserved for the titles of articles.
	:#Please be aware of ] and ] when making edits like ]. One of the problems with such content is that the article can become quite bottom heavy where in that the encyclopedic content at the top of the article written in ] is being overwhelmed by the excessively detailed/comprehensive list sections at the bottom of the article. Try to focus only on major exhibitions/awards of things which might even have Misplaced Pages articles written about them. Such detailed information might be fine for the artist's official website, but Misplaced Pages articles aren't really intended to be a detailed or comprehensive as official websites.
	:#Try to write out short sections like ] in prose instead of simple tables or lists if possible.
	:#If you're going to add content like ], then you should add supporting citations as well per ]. The more unsourced content you add to an article, the more likely it's going to be tagged with a maintenance template like {{tl|More citations needed}} or {{tl|Unreferenced section}}. Unsourced content can be removed at any time per ], and this especially true for articles about living persons per ].
	:#I'm sure your converting of the ] (shown in the version prior to your editing of the article) to tables was really an improvement. That could just be my personal preference. Sometimes when you make a big change like that it might be a good idea to be ] and propose it on the article's talk page first.
	:-- ] (]) 08:40, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	Thank you Marchjuly, all of those comments are very helpful and I will re-edit the EG page later with them in mind. As a new editor I;m finding it difficult to find the instructions/policies quickly on for every issue I have so that's why I ask questions on the Talk page. I will try and read more of that guidance material now that you reference before I do a lot more editing.
	] (]) 10:34, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			== How to ask ArbCom to lower protection status on Armenia-Azerbaijan ==
	== The site : ], some more info ==
			I was going to submit an ArbCom request to lower protection of Armenia-Azerbaijan due to the conflict cooling and amends being made, however I changed my mind and decided to ask here first. How would I get the Arbitration Committee or whoever imposed the sanction on Ar-Az to hear on the matter? ] (]) 00:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	https://www.artribune.com/artista-mostre-biografia/hans-andre/ is a good decription of Hans Andrés work, but in italian.&nbsp;] (]) 09:09, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			*That's not an ArbCom matter; you can ask for that at ], ]. Are you asking about ]? You can edit that--after you've made a few more article edits. ] (]) 01:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			**@] I mean the consensus to make everything Armenia and Azerbaijan, even if its a tragic plane crash extended confirmed protected. I feel like it should be knocked down due to calming geopolitical tensions in the Caucasus. ] (]) 03:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			***Also I have 251 edits, that is nowhere near 500. ] (]) 03:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			****In that case, ], you're talking about ] and you'd have to appeal that. I just looked over the page and I have no idea how to do that--and I used to be on ArbCom. Read over ], and good luck! ] (]) 17:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Referencing an article on Misplaced Pages ==
	:The best place for you to suggest its addition is ]. -- ] (]) 11:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			I am reviewing an article and came across a source that cited another article from Misplaced Pages. This is the first time I have seen this. This isn’t acceptable is it? ] (]) 00:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Which sources or cites are considered legit? ==
			:Hello @]. You are correct. Sources that lead to Misplaced Pages or any Wikimedia project are unreliable. See ]. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 01:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thank you @] for the speedy reply and the direction to the exact policy! ] (]) 01:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::You can jsut delete the ref to a Misplaced Pages article, but a better practice would be to look within that Misplaced Pages article to find a ref (refs) that support the content, and then copy those refs to the article you have concerns about. If you do this, in your Edit summary consider stating that you copied content from - naming the source article. Misplaced Pages does allow copying content and refs from Misplaced Pages articles with attribution. ] (]) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Writer or Screenwriter? ==
	Hello fellow Wikis :)
	I'm a new editor on Misplaced Pages and was wondering if I could get some help. I want to create a Misplaced Pages page for an entertainment entrepreneur but seem to keep hitting a wall for not having "notability", despite being published in some of the best magazines in the world (Entrepreneur, Vogue, ELLE, and so on). I reached out to an experienced editor on Upwork and she suggested that we create a wikitia page, and that this would guarantee notability. Two questions here:
	Will the wikitia page help in getting my Misplaced Pages article published?
	If not, what sources are considered "reliable", given that none of the said sources are press releases or merely interviews?&nbsp;] (]) 11:05, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	:The only article (not 'page') you appear to be working on is ]. The 'Declined' comment was "Please read the Manual of Style and format this piece to match it. It requires headings. Also, for clarity, avoid long paragraphs. I have not reviewed this piece further because it requires a substantial edit to be readable." If this is not the draft you are referring to, please provide a link to the one you mean. ] (]) 11:26, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			Quick question: creating a stub-starter on Donald Ross: who was a television screenwriter, celebrity game show panelist (with his wife ]) and producer. Since there are other ] articles, would you accompanying his name with (writer) or (screenwriter) for the published article? He has no distinguishing middle name / initial. Deutsch's article refers to him as "comedy screenwriter and playwright", but Ross never wrote any plays. TIA. ] (]) 02:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	:I don't know what you mean by "Wikitia", and wonder if you mean Wikia. Would a Wikia page help getting a draft promoted to an article? No, it certainly wouldn't. Can your draft be promoted in anything like its current form? No it can't. To take a sample at random: ''Mokbel is not only leaving his mark'' -- what mark? -- ''in the Music industry in Egypt but he changed the whole world’s perception of Egypt’s huge hidden potential'' -- Potential for what? And the whole world, really? -- ''and caught international attention when he encouraged huge international names'' -- by "huge international names", do you mean celebs? -- ''to fly over to perform in Egypt, creating memorable events for the Egyptian crowd'' -- by "the Egyptian crowd", do you mean the spectators? And where are your sources for this? Incidentally, your mention of Upwork is surprising: could you say something about where the money is flowing from? -- ] (]) 11:41, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	::Meaning, do you intend to pay Upwork for work on this article? That implies you are being paid, which must be declared on your User page. ] (]) 12:08, 21 June 2020 (UTC)		:], "Donald Ross (writer)" seems OK to me. -- ] (]) 03:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:(writer) seems OK to me too ] (]) 07:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			Great. Thanks all. ] (]) 13:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== What is the opinion on wikipedia writing services? ==
	:{{re|May Rostom}} I am sure you will hit notability issues during ]'s life, but I declined it simply based on ] and legibility. I did not review further. It's far easier to solve one issue at a time.
	:The subject of your draft is living. For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is ''about them'', and is ''independent of them'', and ''is in ]'', and is ''significant coverage''. Please also see ] which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and ] which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
	:Wikia cannot help assert nor verify notability, nor can any self generated vehicle. Equally, if it is your hope that an article in Misplaced Pages will grant notability to the subject, it can not and does not. It reports that verified elsewhere instead. ] ] 12:16, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			How would I detect if an article has been secretly written and paid for? There are services that you can reach just by searching on google and I would like to know if there are any ways to detect them or do something about them. ] (]) 04:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== The year should be 2015 and not 2010 ==
			:Hello! If there is an editor who might be paid and performing edits, raise the issue at ] or ] noticeboards. If there are any private details you have found about the editor or services, please send an email to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org . ''']''' (]) 05:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	The photograph (File:28apr10.jpg) which was taken by me during the festival in 28 April 2015 is found in the article ] with the caption "Temple festival procession, 2010". This procession happened on (28th April) 2015, and not in 2010. Actually this photo was taken by me on 28th April 2015, prior to the day of ] on 29th April 2015. As part of Chariot festival held on 29th April 2015, many programmes were held on the previous day (28th April 2015) and this procession was one among them. Necessary correction may please be made in the caption as "Thanjavur Chariot Festival related procession, 28th April 2015" or "Temple related procession, 2015" or "Temple festival procession, 2015". Regards. --] (]) 11:52, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hi, SSCG, did you have any specific articles in mind? I would say that there are heuristics I know of, but there's nothing definitive overall. Heustics I've identified for undisclosed paid/COI include (''please'' do not use any of these to make definitive accusations; these observations are potential starting points, not endpoints):
	:Thank you for pointing this out. I've made the change. -- ] (]) 12:05, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:* The article has an image of an otherwise obscure person which is usually marked as "own work". This image is posed, not candid, indicating that either the subject themself uploaded it or they've given it to somebody else to use as effectively a PR photo on Misplaced Pages. Some subjects presumably will enthusiastically freely license their image even when they have no part in an article because they're just jazzed to have their own article, but what can be really suspect is when the uploader of the image is the same editor who created and/or has heavily edited the article itself.
			:* The article was already very long, well-formatted, and essentially complete right out of the gate. For new editors, sometimes articles after going through the draft process can come out looking alright, but these edits skip the draft process altogether yet still seem like they've been written out ahead of time off-site. Whereas I take an incremental approach to my writing, experienced editors very often will pre-write everything out in their sandbox and then transfer their work into the article space once they're happy with it, but in my experience, this is highly uncommon for newer editors who organically create articles about subjects they're interested in.
			:* The article was created or heavily modified by a ], which seemingly has not interacted elsewhere on Misplaced Pages.
			:* The editor tries to wikilink this article absolutely everywhere they possibly can once it's created, presumably for a mix of SEO and for drawing as many eyes to that subject as possible on-wiki.
			:* The article is mostly primary references, and a lot of it is ]. For companies, a dead giveaway for something like this is when there's an entire section on some stupid PR BS the company did which is only cited to press releases from that company about what a great thing(TM) they did. Basically, consider ].
			:* The article goes into excruciating depth about a subject (sometimes this is just fans being fans, but for example, there was one some years ago about a Lithuanian(?) alt-rock band whose primary editor I thought to be just an overly enthusiastic fan but who I discovered was secretly the band's manager or something to that effect).
			:* The 'External links' section contains an inordinate amount of links to social media (this one to me generally indicates that it's autobiographical, whereas I assume you specifically want contracted third parties).
			:* The editor has a username-violating policy which indicates they're part of the subject organization.
			:* The subject likely doesn't meet the ] but has been ]ed to give the appearance that it does.
			:* The subject is a very niche a) product/service/work, b) company/organization, or c) person. Depending on the nature of the organization (e.g. a club), this may not be "paid" as much as it is ].
			:* The subject is not written about in ]. If there is negative coverage of the subject in reliable sources, it is strangely absent.
			:If you strongly suspect that an editor is engaging in undisclosed paid editing, the boards {{u|TNM101}} suggests are great resources. I would caution too however that if your suspicion isn't that strong, you can start by just asking them at their talk page. Sometimes they're earnestly trying to improve the encyclopedia about something they're very familiar with because they're a part of it, but they've failed out of ignorance of forgetfulness to disclose that on their user page. <b>]</b> ] 06:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::@]@] I wasn't talking about COIs or paid editing, I already know and have remembered both WP pages. I was just wondering if Misplaced Pages could take action against those services aka take them to court. ] (]) 06:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::That doesn't seem to be within our scope, and I am pretty sure that the Wikimedia Foundation doesn't take legal action against anyone since it's a non-profit. ''']''' (]) 07:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::I can't think of a single viable avenue by which Misplaced Pages could take successful legal action against undisclosed paid editors. If you tried to bring a civil suit, you'd be trying to prove what's called a ]. The WMF would have to prove that 1) the editor had a legal duty to act in a certain way (they didn't; nothing legally says you have to identify an employer when you contribute to a website); 2) that the defendent breached this duty (i.e. if you could somehow prove 1 (not possible), then you would still need to prove in court that your suspicions are ]); and 3) that the WMF suffered injury or loss as a result of this undisclosed paid editing (short of some absolutely enormous conspiracy that blows up and damages the WMF's reputation, this is functionally impossible, because the reality is that any loss is negligible at best). <b>]</b> ] 07:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			Deep thanks to ] for putting all these undeclared paid flags in one place. If this is not already the subject of an essay, it should be. I do see that ] is an existing essay flagging behavior that draws content from press releases. ] (]) 11:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Thank you very much for all the responses, is there anyway I can see of all the times when paid editors or undisclosed COIs were caught in the act? ] (]) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Improving a page through including my own research ==
	==Help me edit an article==
			The 'icing the kicker' page can benefit from the following recent addition in regards to the effectiveness of this practice:
	Please someone should help me edit this article ], I've asked for help earlier concerning this but the reply I got was unsatisfactory.
			"Most recently and extensively, Professor Nadav Goldschmied and Tyler Ratkovich from the University of San Diego and Mike Raphaeli from Nanning Vocational and Technical University (China) found that in 25 NFL seasons (1999-2024) the success for "pressure kicks" (two minutes or less to the end of the game when -3, −2, −1, tied or in overtime) when iced was 74.1% as opposed to 79.8% otherwise which represented a significant decline in performance.
	I made a mistake; I'm trying to note that the match was originally played by ] but it turned out to be a citation &nbsp;] (]) 12:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	: What you are asking now doesn't seem to be related to the question you've linked to in the section heading. What exactly is your problem now, or can you give us a link to the relevant previous question if there was one? --] (]) 13:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	: Here is the link to the previous question on archive 1065
	b:FFE48329Someone_should_help_me_on_thisSomeone should help me on this
	] <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Xsign -->
	:: I see that you've removed the link which you originally gave, but not provided a new link. --] (]) 14:36, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			'''Goldschmied, N.''', Ratkovich, T*., & Raphaeli, M. (2024) NFL field goal kicking under pressure: An expanded replication of icing the kicker strategy. ''Journal of Applied Sport Psychology.''
	== Porn site linked in references instead of article about cockroaches ==
			Thanks,
	https://en.wikipedia.org/Surinam_cockroach
	http://edu-net.nl/Flora%20en%20fauna/Boeken/Cockroache;%20Ecology,%20behavior%20&%20history%20-%20W.J.%20Bell.pdf&nbsp;] (]) 13:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			Nadav Goldschmied
	*{{u|SebastianGałecki}}, that's a domain vacancy notice. Not finding it in the article, but it should be tagged with ]. We don't usually remove dead links, but instead tag them so someone can find an archival copy. ]. ] (]) 13:12, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	: {{Re|SebastianGałecki}} I updated the cite with an archived version and marked the url as unfit, along with the other two uses of that site on Misplaced Pages. Blacklisting next. <span style="color:red">—] (])<span style="color:red">]—</span> 13:27, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			] (]) 05:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Question on draft ==
			:The place to suggest this, ], is ]. (Better, I think: "A study found that in 25 NFL seasons..." Interested readers will identify the authors from the reference.) -- ] (]) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	I'm sorry for this very basic question, but I'm a Wiki-neophyte: is my draft still pending a review?
			::Fine by me! so do I add the modification or is it done by another editor since it is my work?
			::Thanks,
			::Nadav ] (]) 06:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::@] pretty sure this falls under ] ] (]) 07:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::{{u|SimpleSubCubicGraph}} Not quite. If the observations on kicking success/failure were unpublished, that would be original research. If published in a reliable source, such as a science journal article, OK to use. However, Misplaced Pages advises researchers who are also Misplaced Pages editors to not cite their own work. ] (]) 12:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hello, @]: in case it's not clear from the other responses: you are discouraged from citing your own work, as that is regarded as a ], but you are welcome to suggest an edit which cites your own work, so that another editor decides what to do with your suggestion. If you use the ] that will guide you. Please make your suggestion as precise as possible (eg "Inset XXX at the end of the paragraph beginning YYY") ] (]) 13:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Shortened forms list ==
	https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Jason_Szep
			Hello. Is there any place I could get the shortened forms of all Misplaced Pages guidelines and a brief definition (e.g. ], ])? I usually find it difficult to use the shortened forms when commenting and I just go for the full name. <span style="color:#9400D3;">]<sup>]</sup></span> 07:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	I suspect it is but I just wanted to be sure.
			:Hello @]. See ]. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 07:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	Thank you.&nbsp;] (]) 13:05, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hey, how about ] or ] and might be an idea to work out something for ] ] (]) 07:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Creating a new page ==
	:It had not been reviewed. Now it has. These things take a while sometimes. ] ] 13:10, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			I want to make a new Misplaced Pages page but the name already exists so what should I do ] (]) 10:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== I think my drafted article is ready to be published. Help needed please. ==
			:Can you tell us the name of the article so we can better understand the situation? ] (]|]) 10:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hello, my drafted article: https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Sebastian_Cruz_Couture is complete and I would like help with publishing it finally. Thank you very much.--] (]) 13:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)&nbsp;] (]) 13:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. You don't need to worry about that at this stage. You can create a draft article by following the process at ]. If and when it is accepted into the encyclopedia (most draft articles are not), the reviewer will attend to the naming, which might require a ], but if you haven't written a Misplaced Pages article before you'll have plenty of other hoops to jump through before this becomes an issue. ]|] 10:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{u|Tripplehaze7}} I have added the tag to allow you to submit the draft; however, I believe that if you were to submit it now, it would likely be rejected. Your draft just tells about the brand and is sourced to sources that do not establish notability, as they mostly consist of interviews with company staff, mostly describing why they think the company is successful. Misplaced Pages articles must summarize what independent ] say about a company, showing how it meets the special Misplaced Pages definition of ]. I would ask if you are associated with this brand in some way. ] (]) 13:20, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	::] thank you for adding the tag. I am not associated with the brand in anyway. I just thought it looked like it deserved an article as a prominent fashion brand. Nevertheless, it seems they do not have much online articles from independent sources. I want to see how my first article goes and learn from that as I believe in learning from experience. Thanks a lot.--] (]) 13:44, 21 June 2020 (UTC)		::@] Your attempt to create an article about Isabel Myers who is an actress has been deleted and a redirect created to ], a different person. To start over, use ] to create a draft named Isabel Myers (actress). That said, common advice here is to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. ] (]) 12:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Thanks Brother but if I make a draft then how can I change the name of the page if it already exists. ] (]) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::@] If you're working on a draft on an individual who shares their name with someone who already has an existing article, you're supposed to differentiate/distinguish your draft from the existing article. You cannot 'delete' or 'change the name' of an article that has been reviewed and exists. In your case, name your draft '''Isabel Myers (actress)''', since the subject of the existing article, ], is a writer. <span style="background-color: black; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">] ]</span> 13:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::<small>@], I disagree with you. When creating a draft, you ''may'' disambiguate the title, but you don't need to, and you certainly aren't "supposed to". New editors probably don't know our disambiguation rules anyway, so I would not encourage them to try.
			:::::For your second point, you can ] an existing article to a new title, and that sometimes needs to happen when a new article is created about something with the same name. But I agree that if Chean4u1 is asking how to change the name of an existing article in order to hijack it, they shouldn't. </small> ] (]) 13:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse.
			::::The answer to your specific question is that you change the name of an article or other page by ] it; but I suggest you forget about this for the moment because 1) as a new user you don't have access to that tool yet, and 2) at your present stage it is irrelevant to what you want to do.
			::::{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
			::::When you are ready to create the draft, you can completely ignore the titles of any existing articles. You will be creating ] (which doesn't exist at present, which is why it is in red). After you have developed an acceptable draft for an article (which is '''much''' harder than it looks to new editors, and will almost certainly give you frustration and disappointment if you don't take David's and my advice above), you will submit it for review, and if the reviewer accepts it, they will sort out ''all'' the issues about naming it. OK? ] (]) 13:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Thanks I will try my best. ] (]) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== adding a clarification in response to a user request ==
	Declined because you included copyright protected images (which are in the process of being deleted from Commons). ] (]) 14:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	:After images removed, review approved, and moved to main space. ] (]) 00:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			Hello, in doing what described in subject, should one delete the ] for clarification, or leave it there? ] (]) 10:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== How do I create a redirect? ==
			:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean resolving a {{how}} template (with adequate referencing) then you may remove the template. ]|] 10:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	] seems sure to be a mistake, it's one and the same as the ], some editor just picked up the wrong title. I want to remove it altogether and place a redirect, in case some user still does look the topic up under this name. Please help with advice. I'm not a new editor, I just haven't cared for technical stuff until now. Thank you, ] (]) 13:21, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			== What is sandbox and how should I use it? ==
	:{{u|Arminden}} Blank the page and replace with <nowiki>#redirect ]</nowiki> ]] 13:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	:But don't do that without adding something to ] that will explain why you have been redirected there, {{U|Arminden}}! There is no mention of Ramla in that article. --] (]) 14:17, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			How can I use sandbox ] (]) 10:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	Redirect - done, many thanks! What about an "autodirect"? That one means that there isn't any more redirect page with the old name at the top, instead the user searching for the specific name is automatically directed to the correct page? Thanks. ] (]) 14:56, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	::That is what you have created, {{U|Arminden}}. --] (]) 15:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:@] Welcome to the Teahouse! All should be explained at ]: basically your personal sandbox is a place for you to experiment with editing without messing anything up in the main encyclopedia. ] (]) 10:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	== How to wrote a plot of the movie? ==
			:Short and simple: ] — you can do whatever with it as long as it's productive Misplaced Pages Stuff, use it to practice edits, put together rough drafts etcetera --] (]) 01:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Error with interlanguage link template ==
	&nbsp;] (]) 14:07, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			So while editing ], I added an interlanguage link in the infobox, and for whatever reason in the infobox right after the interlanguage link are two brackets(]]). I entered the interlanguage link properly from both experience and directions, may I ask what I did wrong and how to solve this issue? ] (]) 11:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hello, {{U|Oliverdrinkstars57}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. The guidance for that is at ]. However, if you are talking about ], worring about a plot summary at this point is like trying to paint the windows of your house before you have got the foundations laid. Creating a Misplaced Pages article ''starts'' with the independent reliable sources. It is a waste of your time writing ''anything at all'' in the draft before you have found these sources; first, because if you cannot find suitable sources to establish ], then the draft will never be accepted, and all the time you spend on it will be wasted; and secondly because if you do find sources, anything you have written which is not in a reliable published source will need to be removed. Please read ] and ] if you haven't already. --] (]) 14:33, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hi {{u|Thehistorianisaac}}. I think this might have something to do with the syntax of ]. If you look at the syntax for the {{para|Secondary governing body}} parameter, it appears things are set up to convert whatever is added for that parameter into a Wikilink. If you remove the {{tlx|ill}} template for that parameter, it will format it as a ]. You could try asking about this on the template's talk page or at ]; however, I don't think you can remove the brackets without removing them from the infobox template's syntax, and doing that would affect other articles where the template is being transcluded. You might be just have to ] the parameter for the time being until a fix can be found or just go with the red link. -- ] (]) 12:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
	:(ec)Hello {{u|Oliverdrinkstars57}}, ] has some advice. Looking at examples in some high quality articles on movies might be a good idea. For example, ] has a straightforward plot and the article on it happens to be a featured article, the best of the best Misplaced Pages has to offer. ] has an unconventional plot, and our article on it happens to be a good article. Regards! ''']&nbsp;]''' 14:37, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			::Ok thank you ] (]) 12:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{ping|Thehistorianisaac}}. The documentation for the parameter at ] says "Do not link. The template will link." I looked at the implementation and it doesn't appear possible to add an interlanguage link there. If the link is important then you can add it to the opening paragraph instead. ] (]) 12:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::thanks ] (]) 12:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::{{ping|Thehistorianisaac}} If you really want to include the interlanguage link, you might replace the linked "provincial government" in the second sentence of the article with the ILL you were using in the infobox. ] (]) 23:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Can someone help fix ] ==
	== How to edit article without being copyright or blocked? ==
			Hello everyone, Can someone help fix ]. I am on mobile. All the oblast sections are collapsed by default. In mobile every section has collapse option which helps us navigate through the desired sections easily. Similar thing once happened with an article related to some sporting event. It was fixed when the symbols and flags were removed from it. I believe that it the same issue with this article. Too many flags are there. Many of which I believe don't need to be there neccesarily. Can someone help fix it to make it easy for mobile users to navigate. Right now if someone for example needs to see Zaporizhzhia oblast they have to scroll all the way down. Thank you. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 12:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	&nbsp;] (]) 15:48, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Write an Extended Confirmed Protection edit request on the talk page or get to 500 edits manually ] (]) 02:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	:This may sound obvious but do not add copyright material that you have found elsewhere to Misplaced Pages. That is the very best way of avoiding it, and of being blocked (eventually) for it ] ] 16:26, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			::@] FYI, I'm already an EC user. I have over 6775 edits. So I don't need to place an edit request. This is something technical. I appreciate your readiness to help but please understand the problem before giving suggestions. Thank you. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 02:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::@] Get to $1200 manually ] (]) 03:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::@] What exactly is $1200? ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 03:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::@]: Please do not respond to Teahouse questions if you don't know the answer to them or if you're giving unproductive responses. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 03:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@]: {{welcometea}} If the issue is technical, the folks over at ] may be better equipped to address it. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 03:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::@] I believe either this is something techincal or too much flags are creating a problem. Thank you so much. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 03:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Joseph A. Tunzi ==
	== Does The Sign film meet standards for being notable? ==
			How do I remove the promotional disclaimer at the top of the Misplaced Pages page for ] ] (]) 20:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	We made a feature length documentary film called The Sign about a confederate marker of Confederate General John H Winder in Salisbury MD in 2017 and 2018. It premiered at the Ocean City MD Film Festival . Full disclosure I was the Executive Producer and one of the Directors.
			:Hello @]. In the visual editor, you can simply click on the tag and press backspace to remove it (assuming you're on PC).{{pb}}But I'm wondering, why don't you try to discuss or fix the problem rather than just hiding it away? I don't see any of your edits in the page history or any discussion on the article's talk page of you fixing the actual problem. If there is still promotional content after you remove it, someone will inevitably add the tag again. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 20:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hello, {{u|Daryl77}}. The promotional tone that pervades and saturates that article would need to be removed, which would be a massive job. Because you created that article, have made 413 edits to that article and are personally responsible for nearly 80% of the content, it should certainly not be you that removes that tag. Your main goal as a Misplaced Pages editor for 13 years has been that one article. What, precisely, is your personal connection to Tunzi? ] (]) 20:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			:You don't. Someone else does. I suggest revealing your COI with the article subject, which is '''''REQUIRED''''' before you keep editing. ] (]) 20:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::How do you do that? ] (]) 20:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::@] Please see ]. ]'']'' 20:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Where do I put the Connected Contributor template at on the page and how should it be filled out? ] (]) 21:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Use the COI template at your user page, specifically ] to declare the COI. Put the connected contributor template at the top of the article's talk page. ] (]) 21:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Have I done it correctly? ] (]) 21:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::What would be considered relevant affiliations, disclosures, article drafts or diffs showing COI contributions? ] (]) 21:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Have I done it correctly? ] (]) 21:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::{{u|Daryl77}}, no, you have not done it correctly because you have not explained the precise nature of your conflict of interest. After all these years, it is time for you to be honest about this. ] (]) 23:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::What do you want to know? I've known of him since around 1995-1996. It was shortly after I'd graduated high school. I became aware of him when I read an article by a guy named Roger Bailey that had appeared in an Elvis Presley fan magazine titled, ''Elvis International Forum''. It was published by a guy out of Thousand Oaks, California named Darwin Lamm. Bailey had a column in the magazine that where he sold books and other merchandise about or featuring Elvis Presley and he'd mentioned that Tunzi had a new book on Elvis Presley's recording sessions titled, ''Elvis Sessions II: The Recorded Music of Elvis Aron Presley 1953-1977'' I'd missed the first volume of his recording sessions book when it came out about two years earlier around 1993. Somewhere I still have a copy of this magazine that I bought at a gas station near where I went to high school. I've assisted Joe and partnered with him on some of his projects. I've never met him face-to-face, as he lives in Chicago and I live in rural Pennsylvania. After reading the article, I didn't want to order the book through Bailey as I didn't really know him at all, so I went to a local book store and they couldn't get the book for me but they did provide me with contact information for Tunzi, who I called and ordered ''Elvis Sessions II''. I've bought all of his books and products since then and went back and bought copies of the ones I'd missed before ''Elvis Sessions II''. I've stayed in contact with him through the years and as I've said, I've helped him on some projects and we've collaborated on a few as well. ] (]) 23:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			COI disclaimer now on User page of Daryl77. The tags at the top are not claiming promotional in tone, only that the majority of the article is contributed by one person. Going forward, if enough other people edit the article, as some point in time someone other than Daryl77 can remove those tags. ] (]) 21:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	In the last few weeks the film was viewed over 1,500 times and then the confederate marker was removed by the county government.
			== How long does a draft typically take to get reviewed? ==
	Would you consider The Sign film notable enough for it's own page? I thought I would ask before going through the work of trying to create it.&nbsp; ] (]) 15:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)		I plan to be submitting a lot of drafts between now and extended-confirned privileges, and potentially after, how long does the process usually take? A week? 2 weeks? Maybe even a month? ] (]) 20:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, {{u|The2gingerman}}. As the header of a current draft says: {{tpq|This may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,744 pending submissions waiting for review.}} High quality, well-referenced drafts about clearly notable topics are usually accepted fairly quickly. Obviously low quality, poorly referenced or unreferenced drafts about topics that are clearly not notable usually get rejected pretty quickly. Borderline notability cases may take longer. Drafts about highly technical or esoteric topics may take longer. Drafts that heavily rely on sources in languages other than English may take longer. Drafts filled with a large number of references to low quality sources interspersed with a handful of higher quality sources may take longer. Drafts that fail to make a compelling case that the topic is notable in the lead section may take longer. And so on. ] (]) 20:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{ping|Warriorsvoice}} Welcome to the Teahouse! The references you provided don't seem to meet the "significant coverage" criteria explained at ]. Even if they did, creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Misplaced Pages, especially if you don't have much Misplaced Pages experience and have a conflict of interest. I see the film is already mentioned at ]. ] (]) 16:41, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hi, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can see, you have not yet made a single edit to an article, other than to the draft you created - which was declined because, like most new editors, you don't yet have much understanding of Misplaced Pages's requirements. Would you enter a tennis tournament when you haven't yet ever picked up a tennis racket?
	@] Thank you, the link really helped explain the criteria. Thanks again for taking the time to elucidate. ] (]) 16:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
			:In particular, I would urge you to drop utterly the idea of "submitting a lot of drafts",at least until you have had two or three drafts accepted, and so understand what is required. In my opinion, an editor who has made a hundred improvements to existing articles (even if some of them have got reverted) has already added '''far''' more value to Misplaced Pages than almost all editors who try to create new articles before they are ready - in fact, most of those in my view subtract value from Misplaced Pages, because they take up the time and attention of reviewers who would much rather be reviewing good drafts. ] (]) 22:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thank you, @], I will take your advice. The rejection of my draft was a '''large''' reality check for me. I will make sure to avoid making such mistakes in future. ] (]) 18:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{u|The2gingerman}} Mistakes are part of the process. Misplaced Pages policy ] advises be bold in your edits, if reverted, discuss on the Talk page. The process of getting a first effort at a draft approved as an article will teach a lot about the next endeavor. Only after a series of new-article successes should you consider by-passing AfD to create articles directly in main space. P.S. those will be subject to New Pages Patrol review (]), and so may be kicked pack to draft, nominated for deletion or even Speedy deleted. ] (]) 13:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== adding secondary sources ==
	== What tools can we use to stop the forgery of history right in front of our own very eyes? ==
			In exploring the requirements for notable persons and the nature of secondary sources, I am wondering if this qualifies as an example of what is required, or not (sentence structure asides - still working on that!)
	I am a new Misplaced Pages comer, the interest to join happened after noticing articles that are missing key facts about the Palestinian Israeli conflict. A recent article I came about is the ] an autistic Palestinian man murdered by the Israeli border police in East Jerusalem. Apparently there are attempt to water down the incident and mislead the public about what happened, for example someone added the word "warning" to describe the shots fired at the man without any reference, there is no mention of the who witnessed the police shooting the man while lying on the ground injured from close range or that dictate that East Jerusalem is an occupied Palestinian territory that suffers continuous and systematic human right violations, furthermore the one who created the page never bothered to put a face to the man or any of his family. I wanted to help so I added changes to the article with solid references, shortly they were removed by UnequivocalAmbivalence because they violate the 500 edit 30 day tenure on articles related to this topic. I left UnequivocalAmbivalencea ] and waiting to hear back?
			]
	What other options do I have to make fair to this innocent man at least for the history to remember ?&nbsp;] (]) 16:16, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			<blockquote>In an interview exploring the challenges of futures thinking within the context of humanitarian scenarios, the researcher and futurist Steven Santer identifies in part that the initiative for futures thinking with respect to humanitarianism was born out of Dr. Kent's experiences as a UN ] since 1987.</blockquote>
	:Misplaced Pages has a difficult role. It can look like authoritative history, but what it does in reality is reports what others are saying. If only one 'side' of history is saying something and getting significant coverage of that thing in reliable sources, Misplaced Pages reports that coverage. What editors can not do, may not do, is form opinions of their own and put those into articles. Our role is to record faithfully facts (even 'untrue' facts) that have references. We are recorders, not opinion formers. We have no part to play in the creation of history, nor in fighting manipulation of history. ] ] 16:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	::I would add that the UN General Assembly does not have any authority to back up its resolutions or opinions(unlike the UN Security Council), so its resolutions are just one more viewpoint added to the pile. Misplaced Pages summarizes what independent ] with significant coverage say about subjects that meet Misplaced Pages's special definition of ]. If you have missing information supported by an independent source, you may make an ] on the article talk page, detailing the changes you feel are needed, given that articles related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are under special restrictions. However, I think that the edit you attempted to make is extremely unlikely to be accepted as it is clearly intended to push a particular viewpoint.
	::Please understand that Misplaced Pages is a collaborative effort to write an encyclopedia with a ]. If you are only interested in advocating for a particular viewpoint or side, you are going to have a difficult time here. If you want to work with others who may feel differently from you in improving articles and their content, then please start on the article talk page. We will not solve the conflict here on Misplaced Pages, but we must work together to maintain articles related to it. ] (]) 16:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			Thank you ] (]) 21:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	== I need to add village in Misplaced Pages .How can I do it? ==
			:Hello! Interviews featuring the person generally are not evidence of notability. They're primary sources, and they're something that the person helps arrange themselves, so it's not an independent third party taking note of them. You'll want to find articles about the person written by independent sources like newspapers. Otherwise, Randolph Charles Kent might not be a notable figure as Misplaced Pages defines it. ] (]) 21:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	&nbsp;] (]) 16:20, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			::Ok, got it - thank you! ] (]) 21:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hang on, @]: @] described that as an interview with somebody else, which was not what your answer was about. NIk9t, ''if'' Santer is wholly unconnected with Kent (not a colleague or associate), then that may well count as secondary. There is also the question of whether the interview was published by a ]: if it was published by Kent or his associates, it again would not be independent, and if it was published by Santer or his associates, it would be a ]. ] has a useful set of criteria for evaluating sources. ] (]) 22:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::I understood it to be referring to this source: https://futurehumanbydesign.com/2019/09/interview-with-dr-randolph-kent/. ] (]) 22:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Oh I see. I assumed from @]'s description above that Santer was being interviewed, rather than that he was interviewing Kent. Thank you for the correction, @]. ] (]) 23:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Ok, thank you, how about referencing book reviews for example - would this be considered too "passing," or significant as a secondary reference?
			:Sir ] ] ] suggests of Dr. Kent's most recent publication that 'Dr. Randolph C. Kent’s ''Humanitarian Futures: Challenges and Opportunities'' masterfully blends deep intellectual rigour with practical insights, drawing on his unparalleled experience to illuminate future humanitarian crises and challenge current conventions and paradigms. In our world of perpetual crises, this is a vital, visionary work for leaders, policymakers and practitioners alike.' ] (]) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::https://www.routledge.com/Humanitarian-Futures-Challenges-and-Opportunities/Kent/p/book/9781032747996 ] (]) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Why are there specific limitations to VisualEditor ==
	:Please visit ] which will give you all the tools that you need ] ] 16:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{ping|The truthful falcon}} Welcome to the Teahouse! I also suggest that you read ]. Happy editing! ] (]) 16:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			I read through the page for ] and I saw they had limitations. While they explained what pages are not permitted to use Visual Editing, why are these restrictions in phase? Is there something wrong with visual editor on talk pages? Or editing essays and WP:Policies ] (]) 04:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Specific help wanted on articles? ==
			:Hey @]
	Beyond things like or basic grammar, is there any way to see exactly what help people want for a specific article? e.g. "elaborate on this idea further"&nbsp;] (]) 16:43, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:The limitations of VisualEditor exist because it struggles with complex wikitext elements like templates, signatures, and custom formatting used on talk pages, essays, and policies. These pages require precise editing to maintain structure and functionality, which ] isn't optimized for. ] (]) 06:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:The VE is a later invention, (source editor is the older), and is still developing. ] (]) 09:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Assistance with Page Deletion/Recreation ==
	:{{u|Loafiewa}}, sometimes you can fnd relevant discussions on the article's talkpage. ] may have some of what you want. ] (]) 16:48, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{ping|Loafiewa}} Welcome to the Teahouse! On the article talk page, you can also look at WikiProject ratings and read the associated quality assessment scale to see how the article could be improved. For example, if you go to ] and click the "show" link next to each WikiProject, you'll see the links to the quality scales. For the WikiProject Military history template, if you click the "show" link next to "Additional information...", you'll see that an editor noted it needs improved Referencing and citation. Happy editing! ] (]) 17:16, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			Happy New Year All! We recently had our Misplaced Pages page draft deleted, and would like to rewrite/recreate it and submit for consideration again. We are a little confused about the requirements we need to complete before retrying with this page. Do we have to contact those who deleted the page? Can we just start fresh in the sandbox and resubmit? ] (]) 16:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	== What is the correct formatting for election result table titles for UK constituencies? ==
			:Hi @]. It's confusing that you use "we"; an account can only be used by a single person. If more than one person is using this account, please have each person create their own account. You can start a new draft in your sandbox or at ], but it must be written in your own words. You cannot copy content verbatim from other sources, as the message on your talk page explains. Hope that helps. ]&nbsp;] 16:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Greetings, thank you for your response, much appreciated. (I am the only user of this account, btw). ] (]) 16:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{u|Kinfolx1114}}, please be aware that ] was deleted as an unambiguous copyright violation. Please be aware that Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously and you must be very careful to avoid violating copyright laws. Please read ]. ] (]) 17:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Those websites can be used in the draft as references as long as the information in the text is on your own words (not copied or close paraphrasing). ] (]) 18:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Hello @]. Thank you for that note. Is it ok to reference this website? https://kazoo-cobalt-7yx6.squarespace.com/ . (asking because it looks like a personal website?) ] (]) 20:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Hello, thank you for providing this, @]. This is very helpful. ] (]) 19:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::IFfy, as not clear if it is his site (thus, not independent). Suspect because it links to his social media and sells clothing. ] (]) 04:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::Hi @]Hmmm... agreed. The sales/social media part does make it suspect. I'll just not use it, thank you for your feedback! ] (]) 23:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			*'''Comment''' {{ping|Kinfolx1114}} They are articles, not pages. Pages is the internal software name that the WMF uses as part of the Mediawiki software and has nothing to with Misplaced Pages. They are articles, refer to them as such. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 12:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:<small>The distinction Misplaced Pages makes is that what are posted at social media are described as 'pages', whereas Misplaced Pages self-calls what it has as 'articles'. ] (]) 21:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
			::@] Oh, I see. That makes sense, thank you for explaining! ] (]) 23:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Am I allowed to make a twinkle userbox? ==
	Should table titles for UK constituencies election results be formatted as <year> general election: <constituency> as per the formatting of article titles? Or should it be General election <year>: <constituency>? There seemed to be no consistency among articles or clear guidelines. It seemed to me the most sense would be to go from general to specific information. So, General election <year>: <constituency>. Keeping <constituency> means that table can be easily copied and still retain information specific enough to differentiate it from any other table.
	Can anyone give any input on which is the most acceptable?&nbsp;] (]) 17:27, 21 June 2020 (UTC)		I'm making a userbox that is about preferring twinkle PC over twinkle mobile, am I allowed to do this? ] ] 19:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, @]. I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't. ] (]) 20:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	: ] refers to ], but also to the template {{tl|Election box}} which apparently contradicts the style subpage. It may be worth raising the question on one of the talk pages, perhaps ]. --] (]) 17:38, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Yes you can, as long as it follows WP guidelines and doesn't violate any policies, such as being offensive or promotional ] (]) 07:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Alright thanks! I thought it was a little bit of an admin thing, and that's why I asked. ] ] 12:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Please help me get my translation of a French page published ==
	::Amazing, thank you! I am still new to navigating Misplaced Pages, so didn't know how to find these. ] (]) 17:42, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			Hi everyone, happy new year!
	::: The talk page for each article will usually give you a clue as to which Misplaced Pages projects are applicable for that article. --] (]) 17:49, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			I would like to ask for some help. I just translated the following french wikipedia page to english: https://fr.wikipedia.org/Lahcen_Ahansal
			However, as I am new here, I don't have the required authorization level to publish my English translation that you can find here:
			https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Emilie1111/Lahcen_Ahansal
			How do I go about getting it published? Can someone help me with that? Thanks in advance!
	== Can anyone review this Draft ==
			Emilie ] (]) 19:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, {{u|Emelie1111}}. Your translation is unreferenced, which violates the two important policies, ] and ]. You must add references to reliable sources verifying the content before it can by added to the English Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 20:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello {{u|Emilie111}}. Each language Misplaced Pages is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. What is acceptable on one version is not necessarily acceptable on another. The English version tends to be stricter than others. I do see that the French version is referenced- you can certainly place those references in the draft you wrote here, references do not need to be in English. ] (]) 20:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:], another problem is the tone. I have trouble describing exactly what's wrong with {{Tpq|In 1991, fortune finally smiled upon him. This marked a turning point in his life. For Lahcen Ahansal, this race would become his own.}}; but simply, it doesn't simply relate verifiable facts, which is what it should be doing. -- ] (]) 22:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	I have submitted a draft some days ago which is about a "region" namely ] . Can anyone please review it? As I have seen interaction of people with ] which is a language of this region. So kindly approve. So that other editors can copyedit and contribute more. Thank you.&nbsp;— ] ] 17:52, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			::More info can be found at ], especially regarding attribution etc. ] (]) 13:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	: What is says in the box at the foot of the draft is: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 5 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,090 pending submissions waiting for review." --] (]) 18:20, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			== Allowed links ==
	:: Hi there - draft reviews sometimes take a good amount of time to go over, as the number of reviewers we have is sort of low in comparison to the number of draft articles that need reviewing. I can give you a few pointers so far, however:
			What links are allowed in articles? ] (]) 21:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
	::* "hilly region" - re-word this as "mountainous region", or whatever is appropriate. (I don't know anything about the area myself.)
			:Hello @]. See ]. Links should be added when they are relevant and especially helpful to the reader's understanding of the subject. Links shouldn't be added when it can be reasonably assumed it wouldn't help the reader or when it fills up too much of the screen. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 21:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:If you are referring to sources, articles must meet the ], which state that articles need to include significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. User-generated sites like CPTDB Wiki are not reliable, since anyone can edit them. If you're going to be writing articles on topics related to NJ Transit, sites like NJTransit.com are allowed, but they cannot be used to show notability since they are not independent of the subject. Only independent, reliable sources with significant coverage (not just a passing mention) like ] can be used to demonstrate notability. ] (]) 21:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::So, it can be news or a YouTube link? ] (]) 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::News publications, certainly. As for YouTube, see ]. {{tq|Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability.}} ] (]) 21:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::I founded a YouTube link that contains Westwood's Buses that began operations on September 5, 2022 ] (]) 22:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hello, @]. I think ] might be more helpful to you. ] (]) 22:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Edit Quality "Perfect"? ==
	::* I would put the word {{lang|bn|pargana}} into a <nowiki>{{lang}}</nowiki> (language) template. This template ensures that people who use technology to help them read on computers - usually because of poor eyesight - have the word, in this case {{lang|bn|pargana}}, pronounced correctly. So, even though it's written in an English Misplaced Pages article, it's pronounced correctly, and not using English syllables.
			On the Android app, after selecting Explore in the menu and clicking Edits in the toolbar, I see a page named "Edits" that shows that my "edit quality" is "perfect". What does this mean? ] (]) 01:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	:: If you edit this section, you can see how I've used the language template to do this in my comment, and copy it over. I think the word is Bengali, so I've used the Bengali language code "bn" here. However, the ] on ''pargana'' also lists Hindi and Urdu spellings - the language codes for these are "hi" and "ur" respectively. If the word is Hindi, then the language template looks like this: <nowiki>{{lang|hi|pargana}}</nowiki>. If it's Urdu, then it looks like this: <nowiki>{{lang|ur|pargana}}</nowiki>
			:@]: So according to, ], {{tq|You can view your own contribution history by going to the main screen and tapping the "Edits" button at the bottom. This will show you the total number of edits you've made so far, '''your current edit quality (based on how many of your edits were reverted)''', among other statistics. To see more details about each of your previous contributions, tap on the statistics card. This will show a full-screen list of each of your edits.}}. I guess it means that you have an edit count that has little to no reverts. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:#fff;border:2px dashed#69c73e">] - ]</span> 01:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::OK, thanks for your help. How can I find out how many of my edits were reverted? ] (]) 20:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::@] You can get a pretty good idea using ] and searching in article space for edits that were directly reverted, which in your case is . That says that none of yours have been, unlike where there are a pagefull. Of course, such a search won't show your contributions which were removed by later edits that were not tagged as reverts. ] (]) 15:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Article ==
	::* next to ''pargana'' - a small definition of what a {{lang|bn|pargana}} is in brackets would be useful. You've already put the definition for a {{lang|bn|pargana}} in the notes section, so you can use some of the information you've put there in a small sentence next to it.
			My articles always get declined, and im working so hard like can anyone help me it will be very appreciate full :P ] (]) 01:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	::* "Saraz is a backward area" - perhaps you mean that it's rural or mostly undeveloped? Those would be better word choices. There's a small typo within this section as well: "includes it's district headquarter" should be "includes its district headquarter". The same typo appears later on, in the sentence "by it's local language" - it should be "by its local language".
			:If they get declined, you can help fix it by reading the decline reason. As an alternative, read the comments the reviewer left. If they are no comments, ask at the reviewer's talk page. Since you are now ] you are able to create pages directly, but you can still use the Article Wizard if you want. ] (]) 01:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	::* Try not to write "settled here" - you may be from this area, but other Misplaced Pages editors come from around the world. Other tips on language - the word "muslim" needs to be capitalised to "Muslim", "kashmiri" needs to be capitalised to "Kashmiri", and so on. Basically - if it's a place name or the name for a certain people, it needs capitalising.
			:Hello @], and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at ], I see several AFC decline notices, with the reason being they fail Misplaced Pages's ]. For an article to be considered worthy of a Misplaced Pages article, articles must meet the criteria on notability per above. As a general reference, the ] (commonly abbreviated as GNG or WP:GNG) states that "{{tq|articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic.}}". I'd advise seeing ] for more info, or just message me on my talk page or reply to this if you have any questions.
			:Looking at one of your submissions, ], the two sources provided are a ] entry, which is not considered reliable per the ] guideline because it is user generated (See ]), and a YouTube video, which may or may not be by the publisher or a user. If it is indeed by the publisher of the album, it would not count towards notability because it is not independent of the topic, and if it is by a user it would not count because it is not reliable as it is user generated. Also, please be aware that neither of these sources provide ] of the topic either.
			:Apologies if this comes off as blunt or hostile, as I am myself a newcomer. If you have any questions regarding these policies, or would like to request assistance on your article(s), please let me know, as I am free to help whenever possible. Thanks, ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 01:52, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::well these are the only sources i can find and i mean some wiki articles include discogs sources. ] (]) 03:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::If they are the only sources you can find, then the article is likely non-notable, per ]. If you see an article that cites Discogs as a source, especially for ], then find and replace it with an adequate source or remove it altogether per ].
			:::—] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 03:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Passing by on the way to the forum. Looking at ]. When you place the cursor on the reference, the tooltip comes up telling the reference is unreliable. When you examine them, Genuis is defined as generally unreliable, Radio Zepa is generally unreliable, Discogs as described above is a user generated site that is never reliable and spotify is a streaming site, which should never be used in any instance. ] sources are the gold standard. Somebody talking to another person or group about the subject who doesn't know the subject, so it is independent. It also needs to be reliable and in-depth, a suffiently deep source to be worthile. For albums your generally looking for independent reviews, from recognised article sites. ] tells which music sites are generally considered notable. Google books is a good place to look in as well. If you don't know if the reference is notable, then check at at reliable sources noticeboard, ] Somebody will tell you. You can do a search there as well. If there is no album reviews, then the album is likely to be non-notable. I would advise you not to create any mainspace articles. They are likely to be sent back to draft or sent to ]. Hope that helps. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 12:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::In general, references that confirm an album exists, the names of the musicians, the list of tracks, etc., are not sufficient to establish Misplaced Pages-notability without published reviews as references. So not only is it unlikely that ] can succeed, but the existing article about the band's second studio album ] should be nominated for deletion. Same for ], a song from the Natrag Na Voz album. ] (]) 13:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::::I've posted the two articles to the Afd queue. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 14:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::::oop- never mind the article got released here’s the link —> it seems more better and i put alot of sources aka references.
			:::::::Best Regards ] (]) 22:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Why am I getting 404 not found messages in references used in articles? ==
	::* The rest of the article looks really good, and it's really well-referenced. Try and find some more varied sources, such as local newspapers talking about the area, and so on. Your sources don't have to be exclusively web links; lots of people use books that aren't available online to write Misplaced Pages articles with. This will help it to be recognised as ] enough to be written about on Misplaced Pages.
			Sometimes I get so many 404 not found errors when I visit refenced URL's in articles. For example if you visit some of the sources used in the article ] (Including source 1 and 4), you are going to encounter a "404 not found' error. ] (]) 01:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	:: I hope this is helpful - your draft is one of the better ones that I've seen. Good luck! --] (]) 18:39, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Welcome to the Teahouse, @]. Unfortunately, since the average URL has median lifespan of about 1 year (according to ]), many URLs end up rotting (] and become dead links. Fortunately, you can repair dead links by using a web archive such as the Wayback Machine or archive.today, and put them in the reference as archive URLs, and provide the archive date. If you are interested, I ''highly'' advise you see ] and ] for more information. Thanks. —] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 01:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::{{U|Ineffablebookkeeper}}, although I agree with most of what you say, a couple of your points puzzle me. (i)&nbsp;{{Olive|"hilly region" - re-word this as "mountainous region", or whatever is appropriate. (I don't know anything about the area myself.)}} Me neither; but "hilly" seems a perfectly good word to me. If the area's hilly, how is "hilly region" not appropriate? (ii)&nbsp;{{Olive|Try not to write "settled here" - you may be from this area, but other Misplaced Pages editors come from around the world.}} Must "here" always be deictic; can it no longer be used anaphorically? -- ] (]) 22:07, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			::{{reply-to|icePrettyFlower}} I don't believe this is a case of link rot. It might be better described as "born dead". In this "100 Legacies of the Great War" feature that WSJ set up, whether you're accessing a live link or a Wayback archive copy,it displays a page of all the topics (and after a few seconds, some images to go with them), but when you click on any of the topics, it prepares to display something and then hangs.
			::My wild guess is that they've bypassed some authentication logic (e.g. to determine if you're a subscriber), so if you don't have an account or are otherwise not signed in, it just hangs. Very bad form on WSJ's part.
			::Having said that, it's very true that many, many links on WP are broken; then again, there are lots of links that don't work unless you have an account. But link rot is a fact; as has been observed for the last couple of decades, the Wayback archive (and other similar facilities) can provide a workaround. I've heard there's a bot that's supposed to go around fixing these things, but I place very little trust in the bots ... they may perhaps work as much as 95% of the time, but nothing really checks whether or not the bot has selected a usable copy. Every time you encounter a broken link (particularly one that's not already marked as {{tl|dead link}}), that's a potential opportunity to improve the encyclopedia. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
	== Access to page ==		== Wikitext ==
			I am trying to make a userbox and let users put It in their user page. But it will go to wikitext instead of plain text. How to make wikitext go to plain text? and I can't change it to visual because I am editing a ] ] ] 02:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hello Teahouse. I was wondering if I could get access to List of Sex Symbol page since its semi-protected and what I have to do to access it. I understand the policies on Misplaced Pages and I hope you could get this message as soon as possible. Have a very nice day. Thank you.
			:@] I'm not really sure what you mean, but ] has instructions for creating new userboxes. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 03:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	(] (]) 19:37, 21 June 2020 (UTC))&nbsp;] (]) 19:37, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:If I understood correct: To display wikitext as plain text in a userbox, use the <nowiki> tags around the code. For example: <nowiki>{{YourUserboxCode}}</nowiki > ] (]) 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hello {{u|Junoongrill}}. That article is semi-protected so you cannot edit it at this time. You can submit an ] at ]. ] ] 19:48, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			::Thank you ] ] 22:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{ec}}{{ping|Junoongrill}} Welcome to the Teahouse! If you click on the lock icon at the top right of ], you'll be taken to ], which explains the policy and how to request edits. ] (]) 19:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
			:::@] ] is nice and generates something like {{tl|Example}} for example or use ] for the code/outpout: {{markup|
			<nowiki>{{Example}}</nowiki>|{{Example}}}}<!-- Template:Mra --> ~ 🦝 ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 18:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:ooh! Thank you I will put that. ;) ] ] 22:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	== My edit disappeared ==
			== User created "mortal sin in Catholic Church" template and added it to dozens of articles ==
	My edit disappeared
			A user created ], and has added it to dozens of articles including homosexuality, divorce, atheism, tax evasion, kidnapping, hate speech etc: See edit history: ]
	Hello! I made edits to this page https://en.wikipedia.org/Seventeen_(South_Korean_band) last night. Changes appear last night but was gone this morning. Can someone share what likely happened?&nbsp;] (]) 01:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			It seems like a needless presence of Catholic doctrine in other articles, but I'm unsure what the guidelines are on user created templates like this. Happy for it to stay if it's suitable. ] (]) 06:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hi Barabara. If you look at the history of page revisions, you will see that the edit was removed by {{u|Abdotorg}}. Here is the . ] 01:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::You can ask Abdotorg why at ] and/or post a comment on the Talk page of the article. ] (]) 02:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::Hello, {{U|BarbaraUkulele}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. While I cannot speak for Abdotorg, do note that, with some limited exceptions, twitter is not usually considered a ] and statements supported only by citations to Twitter are often removed. ] ]] 03:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			:It's on some unusual articles too, . Having a paraphilia is not deemed a mortal sin by the Catholic Church. ] (]) 07:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Ayurveda, Traditional Medicine from India, termed as "Pseudo science". Help needed to edit! ==
			:See ]. -- ] (]) 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thanks! I’ll know to open TfD discussions in future. ] (]) 09:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Template now deleted. ] (]) 13:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Should I add something ==
			On my draft, ], I rely a lot on a book by meteorologist and historian ]. The NWS only has records dating back to 1950 so his book is usually the only good sources about storms that happened before 1950.. Should I add that banner at the top of my draft that says that the article relies excessively on one source, since I cited Grazulis's book for pretty much every event before 1950? ] | ] 12:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hi {{ping|ApteryxRainWing|label=Roar with me!!!}} How goes it? Generally you don't leave instructions for the reader, or even the reviewer. You could leave something in the talk page, or potentially put a <nowiki>{{efn|The pre-1950....}}</nowiki> tag to show a note at the end of the article with <nowiki>{{notelist}}</nowiki> to inform the reader that it comes from the Grazulis 1993 book. Have you not searched the internet archive, gbooks, refseek, jstor, who else? I would if there wasn't more on each individual tornadoe. The newspaper archive is good, Misplaced Pages library. You can get access to all these to help put in the odd ref. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 12:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Notability of electoral divisions ==
			Somewhere there is a notability policy regarding electoral divisions (specifically how low does it go). Can anyone tell me where it is? TYVM. ] (]) 12:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Afaik, We do not have something specific, but ] might give some information about it (e.g.: how far "down" does the lawgiving ability go?) ] (]) 13:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Ah, it is coming back to me now. What I was thinking of was census enumeration divisions. So a complete red herring, sorry. ] (]) 15:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{tq|Census tracts, abadi, and other areas not commonly recognized as a place (such as the area in an irrigation district) are not presumed to be notable.}} - ] -- ]-'']'' -- 12:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Deleting a draft ==
			I created a draft for a page here https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Pinball_FX_(2022_video_game), but it's no longer needed since a page was created for the game in question here https://en.wikipedia.org/Pinball_FX_(2023_video_game). How would I go about having the draft deleted since it's no longer necessary?] (]) 15:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, @]. For a page that nobody but you has made any substantial edits to, you can paste {{tl|db-author}} (as it appears on the page here, not as the wikicode is) at the top, and an admin will come along and delete it. ] (]) 15:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::OK. I put the tag on the page. Did I do it right?] (]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added 15:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:::Yes, that's right. ] (]) 17:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Great thanks for your help!] (]) 17:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Paragraph break gets overriden ==
			I am trying to enter a paragraph break in the last paragraph of the Career section of this Misplaced Pages page by pressing RETURN twice. However, the system won't accept it. The break should come immediately after footnote cue no. 21. What am I doing wrong?
			] ] (]) 18:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:{{ping|DieHoren}} I think I've added it where you desired it. For some reason the reference at the end of the preceding sentence was breaking something. What exactly was broken, and if there's a better solution, I have no idea. But in cases like this you can simply use the {{tl|pb}} template to add a paragraph break. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez &#124; ] &#124; ] 18:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thanks so much. Your edit is just what I was trying to do I'll remember the <nowiki>{{pb}}</nowiki> template. ] (]) 19:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::{{ping|DieHoren}} The problem was blockquotes not on separate lines (see ]) so I made another fix. ] (]) 19:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Thanks. I'll take a look at that Template. Still finding my way here. ] (]) 19:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Problem with disruptive editing and what should I do ==
			Hello, I am terribly sorry if I write this in wrong place, but I really don't know what place. I alreday reprte dthis to noticeboard, but while I am awaiting answers I want to know how to act towrads this person who constantly reverts my editions. Whole situation is this:
			I was editing page of ] and I noticed this user: 109.228.104.136 changed phrase in infobox "spouse: Ahmed I" into "consort of: Ahmed I", claiming 'they were never married'. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=K%C3%B6sem_Sultan&oldid=1263148667
			Because of this, I added information they were married and sourced this with book (reference of 21 of current edition). This person so far left my paragraph intact but they keep revert to their preffered version of infobox. I asked them on Talk page about providing source. When I pointed that their source does not dispute, they deleted my talk. They did this twice and even claimed I 'vandalized' Kosem's page.
			As inexperienced user I was few times into edit warring, as I did not know how exactly rules are there.I try to be careful now to not make disruptions and while there is instruction to undo undsourced informations, I am not sure if I am allowed to undo their - unsourced - edition, as I already did this few times. I would not label changing 'spouse' for 'consort of' as vandalism per say, but I want to protect my edition and I wish this person provided source so we could each consensus. You can see our - now deleted by them - discussion here: 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:109.228.104.136&diff=prev&oldid=1267744138#Kosem_Sultan_was_wife_of_Ahmed_I. 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:109.228.104.136&diff=prev&oldid=1267749540#Kosem_was_wife_of_Ahmed (I do not know if I linked this correctly, but both shound be find in history of talk page of user with today date)
			I hope it can be seen I was willing to discuss things and I even proposed to merge ours versions, if only this person provide scholar source - which they didn't, as Tik Tok video they linked contardicts statement from my book (see details in discussions). I also want to add that blocked user called Cecac ] used exactly the same argument, as historian in Tik Tok provided by 109.228.104.136. I do not know if 109.228.104.136 and Cecac are the same person, but I think it should be checked. Finally, I do not know how much video made on Tik Tok should be considered as reliable source, so I am not sure how to act in this situation.
			Again I apologize if I leave this message in wrong board - there were multiple issues so I decided to list them all. Please notify me if I am allowed edit Kosem's page and brought back informations, as I really want avoid going back-and-forth and do not want to be blocked myself.
			I understand that arguing about 'consort of' and 'spouse' seems like semantics, but this person also reverts other informations, like place of Kosem's birth in infobox despite text of article saying otherwise, and I don't know if I am allowed to intervene, as I really don't want to be accused again of another edit warring. ] (]) 20:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] Welcome to the Teahouse. In relation to your comments at ], you may not realise that you are commenting in reply to an edit of last March by someone who is now blocked and therefore can't engage with you, except by evading their block. Your more recent disagreement with the IP editor may continue and there are various methods of ] open to you, as explained at that link. Incidentally, Talk Page guidelines say that, while it is acceptable to delete discussions on one's own talk page (as the IP did), it is not acceptable to delete someone else's contribution to an article talk page, so that's where you should focus all the discussion. The general advice about an ] is: '''don't'''! ] (]) 15:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hi {{ping|Sobek2000}} I had a look at the article in question and reviewed a few reliable sources and it does seem you are correct that reliable sources identify her as the wife of the sultan rather than the consort. As such I've restored "wife of" and included two citations in the infobox to support this statement. Hopefully that will discourage reverts. The advice to avoid edit warring is good advice - generally if you have a dispute on a page with insufficient eyes to generate a consensus the best thing to do is to raise the issue at an appropriate noticeboard and that will help bring additional editors to the page to help build a clear consensus. In this case, for instance, an appropriate venue might be something like ] or ]. Thanks. ] (]) 15:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Thank you! ] (]) 16:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Random pages with no sources ==
			Hi - I'm still fairly new here. I've been doing some random tasks, and I wonder what is the best thing to do when I come across pages like this ] and this ] (and for both of these, there are a bunch of similar pages) - with no independent sources. Should I put a tag on them seeking more references, or are these the type of pages that should be proposed for deletion? Many thanks. ] (]) 21:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:From Past tournaments at the bottom, and also Category:Kisei (Go), ] appears to be an article about the 2008 annual GO tournament, with many past tournaments subjects of articles, many of those underreferenced or not referenced. As such, I recommend not proposing deletion or starting an AfD. ] (]) 21:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Why are the icons so weird ==
			I was looking through Misplaced Pages and special articles and noticed the icons are in frutiger aero style, why so?
			I mean, you could just ask wikipedians to volunter to redesign the icons or hire a graphic designer ] (]) 22:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:I don't know why, {{U|IsaqueCar}}. I for one only ask fellow volunteers for help when I'm stuck, or when I'm acutely aware of my ignorance. (Thus I've recently asked for help with numismatics, of which I'm ignorant, and, indirectly, with the Czech language, which I can't read.) Hiring professionals of course costs money. Is the alleged weirdness likely to impair understanding of encyclopedic content? -- ] (]) 01:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, @]. Until I searched and found ] I hadn't the slightest idea what you were talking about. I still have no idea which icons you mean.
			:If you are talking about part of the user interface, then be aware that most Misplaced Pages editors (who are generally the people that hang out at this page) don't have any involvement in this, and it's better to bring this up at ]. If you're talking about something within an article or series of articles, then the talk page of those articles, or of a relevant ], is the best place to bring the matter up. ] (]) 15:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::@]: I looked for ], which was more enlightening.
			::@]: Why not so? Design is a subjective thing: as long as the icons are visible and clear in meaning, then there's not really a problem, is there? ] (]) 15:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::it just feels weird to have such old looking icons on a modern website ] (]) 17:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::I mean, it is very subjective. I exclusively use Monobook because I like the older look of it. Every design can have wildly differing opinions depending on who you ask. ] (]) 20:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Icons like in those info boxes "this article contains information..."
			::Some icons of wikiprojects will show you what i mean ] (]) 16:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Also special articles normaly have lots of notices so it's also a good example ] (]) 17:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Opinion? ==
			Hey guys what is your opinion on this draft? Any improvements I can make, feel free to list. Do you think it will be approved? First time making a post.
			] ] (]) 22:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello. You have submitted it for review, and the reviewer will leave you feedback if not accepted. It's redundant to ask for a review while waiting for a review. One thing you do need to do is provide the copyright information on the image page, which you need to do on Commons. How did you obtain the image? ] (]) 22:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::I am not asking for you guys to review it, sorry for the misunderstanding. I was just asking for your opinions if it would be approved and/or if there are some improvements i can make. As for copyright ill need to look into it. ] (]) 22:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Those questions will be answered by the reviewer. If it's going to take time for you to address the copyright of the image, I would just temporarily remove it from the draft; images are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. ] (]) 23:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::It looks too much like a CV, not a surprise as the CV is ref #1, used many times. Given that a CV is not an independent reference, remove it as a reference, and remove all content that cannot be verified by independent referenes. ] (]) 01:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:It's written in peculiarly turgid prose, {{U|Hartnana13}}. A sample: "Piket was instrumental in promoting educational collaborations. Notably, he officiated the opening of the School of Politics, History, and International Relations at the University of Nottingham Malaysia Campus, underscoring his commitment to fostering academic partnerships". Does "was instrumental in promoting" differ in meaning from "promoted"; and if so, how? Does "officiated" differ in meaning from "gave a short speech at"; and if so, how? What, if anything, does "underscoring his commitment to fostering academic partnerships" add to the sentence? -- ] (]) 01:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::I cut that, and other stuff, too. But this still needs trimming. ] (]) 01:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Lua error ==
			Could someone have a look at ], please? There are errors in the bibliography section, described with text like "Lua error in Module:Episode_table at line 246: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value". I think these appeared following , but I can't see how to resolve them. Thanks for your help. ] (]) 22:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@]: The problem here was with ] itself. {{no ping|Ahecht}} fixed it. ]<sub>]<sub>]</sub></sub> (]/]) 22:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thanks, both. ] (]) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== What happened to the French Businessman who sued WP? ==
			I was reading ] and I saw that a french businessman filed suit wanting them to hand over the IP of the wikipedia user who defamed him, yet wikipedia denied and they were fined constantly. Did wikipedia pay the fines? DId they ignore it? Is WIkipedia banned in France? Did the businessman get his IP so he can greedily sue anyone who even talks bad about him? What happened? ] (]) 23:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Like every wikipedia article it cites sources, you can translate them to read and find out. Though given it's in the 'outcomes not in favour of the WMF' section I think a guess can be hazarded that the WMF was fined as implied. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
			:I'm in France and I can answer to one of your question. The question is '''"Is WIkipedia banned in France?"''' <br /> <br />
			:The answer is no. I'm a contributor to '''"Misplaced Pages in French"''' and a contributor to '''"Misplaced Pages in English"'''.
			:There are not any language version banned in French Republic. <br /> <br />
			:If it was the case. The information would be in news because the ban of Misplaced Pages by a Western power is an exceptionnal event. ] (]) 03:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Albert 'Kid' Lloyd ==
			I wrote an article on "Albert 'Kid' Lloyd" some time back... and I just checked, but I can't see that it ever got published to Misplaced Pages... can anyone help with this? ] (]) 01:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:You wrote a draft on your user page, ]. (It doesn't belong there. Please move it to ], pronto.) -- ] (]) 01:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Step 1:
			:Click on the red link: ].
			:Step 2:
			:Paste in your information from your talk page.
			:Step 3: Publish. You might have to go through the AFC process. ] (]) 05:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:From the user page, ], not the talk page. (And not to article space. And there was no need for copying and pasting. Just moving.) {{U|TamaRock}}, I have moved it to ]. Happy editing! (More editing is needed.) -- ] (]) 05:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Requesting a peer review ==
	Hi,		Hi,
			I’ve attempted to request a peer review on the ] talk page, and assumed I could link to the WikiProject Biography articles in my post but that doesn't link.
			Could someone please help me to request a peer review for the page?
			Thank you/sorry! ~~ ] (]) 04:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello @]! I have fixed the link, however I don't believe that's the correct way to request a peer review. Have you followed all the instructions at ]? ''']''' (]) 12:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	I am appalled to see a major traditional medicine of the Indian subcontinent being defined as pseudoscience in its introduction of the wiki page.
			::I tried a few thing, including trying to add a new category but then couldn't do that - could you please help with it? Sorry, I thought it was more straightforward … ] (]) 12:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	https://en.wikipedia.org/Ayurveda
			:::I have added the template to the talk page. All you have to do now is click one of the topics which the article falls under, which will lead you to a new page. Over there, write the reason for your request of the peer review and save the page. ''']''' (]) 13:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Thank you so much. I added it under the “arts” category because Sam Reid is an actor. The category seems pretty broad, was that the correct thing to do? Sorry to ask so many questions and again, thank you. ] (]) 13:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::I think that's probably the best category you could put it under. ''']''' (]) 14:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Can I, a relatively new user, make talk pages on contentious topics? ==
	TCM, which is of the same class is referred to as 'traditional medicine' and so are Siddha, Unani traditional medicines. And this is the right and proper way to classify.
	https://en.wikipedia.org/Traditional_Chinese_medicine
	https://en.wikipedia.org/Siddha
	https://en.wikipedia.org/Unani_medicine
			Are there times where I could make an edit request on a contentious topic (such as the Arab-Israeli conflict) even if I don't have the required edits to edit the article? I think I was told the answer to this question in an earlier incident, but I would like to ask this question again just to double-check and be absolutely sure. ] (]) 04:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	Editing is disabled and from the history of edits, I see that there is a dedicated group intent on reverting it back to their claim of Ayurveda being a "pseudoscience".
			:Hello! You can definitely make edit requests on the talk pages of articles on contentious topics. That is what is expected to be done by non-extended confirmed editors, since they cannot directly edit the page. ''']''' (]) 05:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	How do I get this resolved to reflect factual information based on historical facts and available literature, not opinions of individuals?&nbsp;] (]) 04:25, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			::Although talk page posts other than edit requests cannot be made in the ] area. ] (]) 05:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	:The proper place to dispute whether the article presents a bias versus a neutral point of view is on the Talk page of the article. I recommend that you look at prior discussions on this very question at the Talk page, including what is presently there and in the archived earlier discussions. ] (]) 10:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::The article is "semi-protected," meaning that editors must have accounts that are at least four days old and have made more than ten edits. There are some other restrictions listed at the top of the Talk page. ] (]) 11:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			== Help with applying new science breakthrough across multiple articles. ==
	== Can you please take a moment and help. Thank you ==
			It has recently been discovered that the clouds of Jupiter are made of ammonium hydrosulfide mixed with smog, not ammonia ice, as has been previously believed and that the same applies to Saturn.
	Hello, and thank you for taking a moment to help with this project. I'm trying to make this (link below) into a live article that can be approved for public view. Would someone with experience in Misplaced Pages please let me know if something is missing or not completed correctly. Any time is greatly appreciated and I thank you for your consideration.
			https://phys.org/news/2025-01-citizen-science-reveals-jupiter-clouds.amp
	https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft%3ADerek_Victoric_Picard&nbsp;] (]) 04:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft was rejected because it lacks ] to independent reporting on the person. Misplaced Pages only has articles on subjects that other people have written about. I had a look in a search for sources and I don't think this subject is notable enough to have an article here, as I could not find articles that had been written about the subject. However, if you can find numerous reliable sources and add them to the article, that could change. Without them, the article very likely will remain in draft. I hope that helps. ] (]) 04:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			How should I go about searching for information that needs to be changed in articles such as ]?&nbsp;] (]) 05:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	== How do I start? Are there any earning opportunities? What do I get back? What does the society get back? ==
			:Please be very conservative with where and how you include it. It's hot-off-the-press ] source that needs corroboration and discussion in ] sources before it can rise to the level of the prevailing view it contradicts. Consider "new evidence indicates instead..." rather than replacing what seems to be long-standing scientific consensus, especially in a ]. ] (]) 05:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Okay, I'll just wait a bit and do what you said, plus maybe let more experienced editors work out what to do. Thanks ] (]) 05:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] You can try asking for input at ]. ] (]) 07:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How do I move an article if the title i need to move it to is a redirect page ==
	Trying to understand the basics, but I notice there is so much read. Do I need to complete all that before starting?
	*How start?
	*Earning opportunities?
	*What I get?
	*What society gets?] (]) 05:20, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			So basically I need to move this article to what is currently a redirect to that article but I am unable to do so because "the article already exsists". How do I move it then? ] (]) 09:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{yo|Gub Sub Dub}} welcome to Misplaced Pages, and to the Teahouse! There is indeed a lot to read and the rules and guidelines can feel a bit overwhelming at times. You do not have to read everything before you start, but if you have familiarised yourself with some of the most important things, it will help you avoid some mistakes. ] is a series of very short tutorials which is a good place to start, and you can also try ], a training programme built like a game.
			:Ask at ]. ] (]) 09:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	:After that, feel free to dive in – the tutorials also include tips about editing activities to start with. It is a good idea to begin small, and not try to create new articles until you have quite a bit of experience.
			== Cultural impact? Influences? Legacy? ==
	:Misplaced Pages editing is a volunteer activity, and none of us makes any money from it. (Some people try to make money from editing Misplaced Pages, but that is almost always a bad idea, for several reasons.) Different people get different things out of editing Misplaced Pages, I think, but for most of us it is mainly about the satisfaction of adding to and improving this huge body of information. As long as the information is factual and can be verified, this is also beneficial to society. --'']'' <small>] ]</small> 07:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			I'm planning to add subsections to ] about it's influences. I'm trying to follow conventions and looking around for examples but they use different name:
	== How to create a disambiguation page ==
			*] use "Legacy and influences", ] use "Influence and legacy"
	Hey everyone, I changed the names for ] to ] and ] to ]. I'd like to create a disambiguation page for both Pablo Marquez and Pablo Márquez, which allows Pablo Márquez (wrestler) and Pablo Márquez (guitarist) to be prompted. I've never established a disambiguation page, and I'd like to know how, especially, given the internal links present. Or, could someone just set them up?&nbsp;] (]) 05:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			*] use "Legacy"
	:See ] (not to be confused with a . :) --] (]) 05:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			*], ], and ] use "Cultural Impact"
	::Thank you for the instructional link. Also, I loved your dab pun ;) ] (]) 05:43, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::{{ping|Philotimo}} You might want to take a look at ] for specific formatting. ] <small>(])</small> 05:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::Great, I'll look at that too :) ] (]) 05:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::: {{re|Philotimo}} :) The easiest way to code it is to look at code for existing ], e.g. .
	::: But you should look over ] if you haven't already.
	::: Once you are done, you can ping me, or ask someone here if they can review your work. --] (]) 05:51, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::::Good to know, I'll work on it now. I'll ping both of you when I'm done and feel free to critique them. Thank you, ] (]) 05:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::::{{re|Philotimo}} Another set of examples more similar to yours with both missing ]als and misspellings:
	::::::* -> ]
	::::::* -> ]
	::::::* -> ]
	::::::--] (]) 06:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			Which one should I use? ] (]) 09:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	:::::::{{ping|David Tornheim}} and {{ping|Ganbaruby}} I believe it ] is now complete. I think all of the internal links are correct, including their associated talk pages. If I missed something, please let me know. ] (]) 06:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::::::{{ping|Philotimo}} The disambiguation page should be at ], and ] should redirect to it. You also dont need the "People" header. Everything else looks good! ] <small>(])</small> 06:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::::Ah, I'll work on that. ] (]) 06:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::::::::{{ping|Philotimo}} Did you go through the section ] I referred you to above? --] (]) 06:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::::::{{ping|David Tornheim}} Yes, I believe it is correctly done. It was honestly more convoluted than I was expecting. Thank you, ] (]) 07:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::::{{re|Ganbaruby}} Nice. I learned something too. I think it is correct now. Should and contain the same language about ]als found in ? --] (]) 06:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::::::::{{re|Ganbaruby}} also, is there a guide to follow with regards to diacritics? ] (]) 07:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::::::{{re|Philotimo|David Tornheim}} I'm pretty sure ] applies here as well, meaning that the most common usage is the article title (in this case, with the diacritic). The other one redirects the disambiguation page and are tagged with ] or ], depending on if the disambiguation page has a diacritic. ] <small>(])</small> 08:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::::::::: Oh, and two more minor things. First, ] should be tagged with ]. Second, the disambiguation talk page at ] shouldn't be created if it will only contain ]. The WikiProject should only be added if the talk page already exists, which happens if the page "Pablo Márquez" was originally an article but became a disambiguation page later because there's no ], but a talk page had already been created. It's a bit confusing, I know. ] <small>(])</small> 08:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:::::::::::: {{re|Ganbaruby}} Thank you for putting up the template. What needs to be done about Pablo Márquez's talk page? ] (]) 09:02, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::::::::::: {{re|Philotimo}} Just leave it. It's really not that big of a deal. ] <small>(])</small> 09:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::::::::::::::Sounds good, I appropriate all of the help from both of you! ] (]) 12:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			:@] I'm not aware of any general rule. Just use whatever you consider to be the most appropriate. ]|] 10:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Hello, Wiki Article Declined. Please need help.==
			::Don't forget to use secondary sources about the subject. This is the most important.
			::@] I'm not aware of any general rule about naming of such section. <br /> <br />
			::Some ressources about how to use secondary sources : <br /> <br />
			::1.]
			::2.]
			::3.] ] (]) 11:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] Welcome to Teahouse! Articles generally do not need to be consistent with each other. Some WikiProjects might propose specialized layout guidelines for example I found ] via the more generic ]. Sometimes different sources lead for necessity of one section naming over another, though I tend to go for short section titles if possible, e.g ## Legacy ~ 🦝 ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 17:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Translation and references issue ==
	Please help anyone to get publish my article about 'Geever Puthuparambil'. I have given an external link https://www.keralaviews.com/geever-puthuparambil-janadhipathya-kerala-youth-front-ernakulam-state-president/.
	Please help me to publish this article.&nbsp;] (]) 05:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Hi ] and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft has currently no chance to be published in its state - you did not add any reliable sources or references, your external link is not considered a reliable source. Please study ] and ] before submitting it again. ] (]) 07:33, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			]
	== lack of perspective ==
			This artist was marked as missing in the ] and so I decided to translate the Norwegian article. I was, however, not allowed to do so, so I've saved my suggestion at the link mentioned first in this post.
	a wiki article will typically give all the known uses of a concept when what I want is the most reasonable up-to-date understanding. it's like reading fifty books on a topic, instead of one book agreed to by fifty experts.
	also, when I think of power, I think of the ocean, a flood, a cyclone, a whale, an elephant, etc. this ancient and natural concept does not appear on your 'power' page. for me, power is more about ability than it is to control.
	as such, wiki seems to have an "established institutional" feel to it.
	yours sincerely, john&nbsp;] (]) 06:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Hi ], welcome to the Teahouse. The page ] is not an article but what we call a disambiguation page. Its purpose is not to give information by itself but to lead readers to the article they are interested in. We deliberately try to list all potential articles for somebody searching on "power". The most likely articles are often listed first but it can be difficult to predict. I have added ] to ]. If there is a clear primary meaning of a term then the base name is about that like ] and it links to ] at the top for other meanings. ] (]) 08:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			Secondly: The references I've added are not recognised as such. I'd be grateful for any pointers as to why. Thank you! :) ] (]) 13:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	== photos and logos ==
	I want to learn how to add photos to update wiki bios, is it different for logos and brand for a company?&nbsp;] (]) 07:43, 22 June 2020 (UTC)		:For References, if using double curly brackets, use "reflist", not "references". I fixed it ] (]) 14:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Have you tried ] yet? ] (]) 08:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)		::Thanks! ] (]) 16:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse.
	: {{ping|MaycockR}} See ]. ] <small>(])</small> 08:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			:When you say you're "not allowed to do so", I'm guessing that you tried to use the ]? This is only available for editors who have at least 500 edits (which you have not, even though your account is nearly ten years old). This is because so many newer editors do not understand English Misplaced Pages's requirements on sourcing and ], and that many other Misplaced Pages's have less stringent requirements.
			:In the case of your draft, you have three references for one single claim in the article, and no references for anything else. This is not adequate sourcing for an article in English Misplaced Pages, which should be a summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable places. (As far as I can make out, few if any of the sources in the original ] meet the criteria of ]).
			:Unless the original is well-sourced to approaching the standard required of new articles in English Misplaced Pages, I believe that the best approach to translating is to treat it like a new article with perhaps some input from the original, rather than relying on translating the content . ] (]) 16:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thank you, Colin. The sources I include are mainstream (albeit local/regional) newspapers, and the offical website (management) for the artist. There is not much else to reference than the explanation of who she is and her most known performance. ] (]) 17:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hello, @]. Regional newspapers are often ], but the source needs to be ] and have ] of her too. The sources I looked at only had a line or two about her (generally in that one role). And anything from her official website is not independent, and cannot contribute towards establishing notability.
			:::If you cannot find sources to establish that she meets either ] or ], then she does not meet English Misplaced Pages's criteria for ], and no article is possible. ] (]) 17:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Ok, I'm fine with that, but admittedly a bit annoyed since she was on the "red list" and all I did was trying to make her blue. Should there not be a curation of that list before we are encouraged to red-to-blue fix it? Or is deciding that someone isn't notable a part of the fixing process? If so, how does one go about to let others know that the best is to not publish the article? Simply edit the source of the list and delete from there? ] (]) 17:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			{{od}}
	hi!
			{{Ping|Birdesigns}} I can understand you frustraton, but please remember that the top of that page has a panel including the words:
	I worked it out - thank you <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			{{Blockquote|Please note ... that the red links on this list '''may well not be suitable''' as the basis for an article. All new articles '''must satisfy Misplaced Pages's ]''' with ] ] sources.}}
	== hello! ==
	If we are writing our own article and want to include pictures, can they be off the internet, or does it have to be your own work?
			(emphasis in original). <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 16:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	&nbsp;] (]) 09:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{u|Class 66 and 67 and 68}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that accounts are for the exclusive use of a single individual and ]; if you are a single person, you will need to change the name of your account at ] or ].
	:The answer to your question depends on where you get the image; not all images on the internet can be used here. Please read ] for more information. ] (]) 09:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Thanks, Andy – appreciate the pointer. :) So, do I simply ignore those on the list which I reckon aren't meeting the requirements, and let others decide whether or not to delete them? Is there somewhere I can write a small note on my thoughts on the person's notability? ] (]) 17:04, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hello {{u|Class 66 and 67 and 68}}, and welcome to the Teahouse! In short, any random pic you find on the net is probably copyrighted and can't be used. However, you can check for images at , and there you can also upload photos you have taken yourselves, but read the guidance carefully . Also, if you are several people using this username, see ]. Good luck! ] (]) 09:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			== Editing question ==
			Am I allowed to edit my talk page for edits? I have been a wikipedia member for so long but dont have 500 edits so I am wondering if I did like a word of the day on my profile if that is okay like can I edit my own profile. Thanks! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			:Hey @], you can edit your own talk page and user page, including adding things like a "word of the day." However, be mindful not to abuse this by simply padding your edit count, as the focus should be on meaningful contributions to articles. Keep going, you will make it to 500 edits with the proper way. ] (]) 16:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thanks ] (]) 16:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@]: {{welcometea}} I advise you to reach an edit count of 500 edits the productive way; trying to pad your edit count with unproductive edits can be seen as ], and if an admin finds you doing that, they can revoke your extended confirmed rights even if you go past 500 edits. —]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 16:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Of so I did it 42 times do I just delete it? And not do it again(Of course) ] (]) 17:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hello, @]. We are all learning creatures, and we sometimes learn by making mistakes. If you have made 42 edits to try and game the system, but have now realised that that is not a good move, there is no need to delete it or cover it up - as long as your actions show that you have learnt, nobody is going to hold it against you. Though you probably do want to delete what you've added. I suggest that, when you delete it, you put something in the edit summary saying why, to make it clear that you have learnt. ] (]) 17:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Got it thanks. ] (]) 17:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::On a separate note, people can be confused if your signature "DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin" does not match your User name "DMPenguin". ] (]) 18:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Notability ==
			Is he notable ] ? ] (]) 16:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Yes, ] appears to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines based on his roles in notable films and coverage in independent sources. ] (]) 16:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::What about sources doesn’t meet ] ] (]) 16:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			Thank you for asking, IP. I looked in all of the sources that are currently referenced. Here they are, with my comments:
			*"": a mere interview. (Even its title doesn't make sense to me, though perhaps "with an entertainer" was intended to mean "as an actor". Note that I'm linking to a ] scrape of the page linked to in the reference.)
			*"": A mere interview.
			*"": "''X'' takes ''Y'' by storm" is a cliché of promotional junk; this piece is no exception.
			*"": A mere interview.
			*"": Based on an interview.
			*: In Telugu, which I cannot read. If Google Translate can be trusted, this is a rather lightweight review of one film in which Chetan Maddineni appears. It's not junk, but it says little about him.
			''None'' of these six sources counts toward evidence of ]. For all I know, ''other'' sources, not referenced here, show that Chetan Maddineni is notable. I haven't looked (and perhaps am hobbled by my ignorance of Telugu and Hindi). Which independent sources are you describing above, ]? -- ] (]) 00:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How does editor classification work? ==
			how is an editor considered either new, intermediate, advanced or mentor, and what are the requirements for such roles? ] (]) 17:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, @]. I'm not aware of any such classifications used in a formal sense. "Mentor" is a role that an editor may take on. Where have you seen these used? ] (]) 17:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::special articles that include info about editing "(type of edit) is suitable for intermediate editors"
			::"copy-editing is suitable for begginer editors" ] (]) 17:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Oh, right. I don't think those are formal, defined, terms. They're being used loosely, to give an indication of the level of experience required. ] (]) 19:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Not aware either, ] page doesn't specifically mention "new," "intermediate," "advanced," or "mentor" classifications. However, it outlines various user groups based on permissions, such as unregistered users, autoconfirmed users, extended confirmed users, and administrators, which represent different levels of experience and access. ] (]) 17:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::I forgot what page i saw it on ill search for it ] (]) 17:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Experience levels are recommended for various functions (For example being a Teahouse Host, at least 30 days and 500 edits). ] (]) 18:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:] uses this style. I'd describe it as based on self-assessment. In reality it's going to relate to experience and knowledge of policies, guidelines, and other relevant practices. I'd think almost all editors with fewer than 100 edits are going to be noobies, but there could be exceptions for some tasks, such as people who have used a similar wiki platform before, or people with professional writing experience. There are people with many thousands of edits and years of experience who couldn't do stuff within an 'intermediate' category, but also many people who could do things within a few weeks of learning. As mentioned above, Misplaced Pages:User access levels are formal classifications. Everything else is woolly and hand-wavy. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 19:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:The ] describes tasks similarly, although with ‘Easy’, ‘Medium’, and ‘Hard’: for when you are beginning to edit, for when you have completed some easy edits, and for when you have learned Misplaced Pages best practices, respectively. But there are no requirements for new/intermediate/advanced as said above and that too is based on self-assessment. Happy editing, ] (]) 19:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::We also have something at ], which admittedly is also informal and self-assigned, and actually is only seen in context to ]. ] (]) 12:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Article classes ==
			Is there a helpful page somewhere outlining what makes a wikipedia article a stub, start class, C class up to GA, featured article etc? I'd like to learn more about these ratings. I use Visual Editor. Thanks. ] (]) 17:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@] Welcome to Teahouse, see ]. Happy editing! More important than updating ratings is making the relevant improvements to the articles themselves ~ 🦝 ]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;]) 17:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Thanks. I was just curious. I am very happily editing! ] (]) 17:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Needing help with contest ==
			I want to join the guild of copyeditors' backlog of Jan 2025 but the signup instructions are too confusing ] (]) 19:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello and welcome, {{u|IsaqueCar}}! To sign up, go to ] and click the blue “Create your article list” button in the Signing up section and save the page. That will sign you up for the drive. The Totals section below the signup explains how to use your article list. Be sure to read the ] first, and happy (copy)editing! ] (]) 19:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== How to add a category to a page/talk page ==
			Hi,
			I’d like to add a category to an article’s talk pages and cannot see the HTML in the source code.
	==Deletion of article==
			According to my searches as to how to do it, I should see the category source code to add a category to, but I don’t see it. Thanks for your time ] (]) 19:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	Please how can I delete this mistakenly published article ].
	thanks ] (]) 09:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Welcome {{u|Josedimaria237}}.
	:
	:You can request speedy deletion of the article you created by nominating it for speedy deletion per ].
	:
	:In order to do that, you just add <code><nowiki>{{db-g7}}</nowiki></code> to the top of it. - ] <sup style="border:.25px inset #222;border-radius:25%;text-align:center;padding:1.5px;color:black">] • ]</sup> 10:03, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			:In the source editor which I presume you are using, you add a category by adding a link to the category at the bottom of the page. An example would be <nowiki> ]</nowiki> ] (]) 19:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	== New page review ==
			::Thank you for your help! That’s exactly what I expected, but when I try to edit the entire page, I don’t see any source code for the category. If I try pasting the category at the very bottom of the page, nothing appears in the preview.
			::Do you have any suggestions?
			::] (]) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hello, @]. I'm not entirely sure what you mean.
			:::The Wikicode <nowiki>]</nowiki> may actually go anywhere on a page: it's just convention to put it at the bottom. And you won't see anything when the page is rendered except in the list of categories at the bottom.
			:::If you are talking about your user page, and you mean that when you edit source you can't see any "<nowiki>]"</nowiki> statements at the bottom, that's because the categories are inserted by the templates that you have added to the page, and since it doesn't show you the expanded code of the templates, you don't see the "Category" statements.
			:::Does that answer your question? ] (]) 20:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::If not then please link the page and name the category. ] (]) 21:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::Managed it eventually! ] (]) 21:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::It worked - I was confused by it not showing up on the preview. When I published, it appeared. Thank you. ] (]) 21:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			== R-Salt ==
	Hello! I've received great help publishing the page ]. Now I wonder what the next step would be to improve it further? I've seen that it has not been reviewed by the ]. Is there a way to request a review? Since there is a COI I don't want to edit the page too heavily myself.&nbsp;] (]) 09:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			This was mentioned in connection to the recent New Orleans attack, but there does not seem to be Misplaced Pages article for it. If someone in the chemistry world wants to write an article about it, please do. ] (]) 20:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{u|Ellasoderberg}} Basically, a review will come when it will come. I've on occasion been given one in hours, today I had one that's been waiting since March 4. Like anything else on WP, it needs a volunteer who thinks it's a good idea to spend time on it (and ] aren't that many). You can try to ask nicely at ] or ]. ] (]) 10:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::Thank you {{u|Gråbergs Gråa Sång}}! ] (]) 12:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)		1,3,5-trinitroso-1,3,5-triazine (R-Salt) is an insensitive energetic that has previously been used as an improvised explosive. ] (]) 20:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse. While you're certainly allowed to post such a request, I want to tell you that the chances of anybody acting on that request are very low. Misplaced Pages is a volunteer project, and prople work on what they choose. While it's ''possible'' that somebody will see your request and act on it, it's not very likely.
	== Tips on small edits, to improve articles. ==
			:There is a recognised place for requesting articles, ]; but in all honesty, the take-up there is very low as well. Something that ''might'' work better is to ask at a relevant WikiProject - perhaps ]: that will at least be seen by people who have an interest in Misplaced Pages's coverage of chemistry.
			:Generally, if you want to see an article created, the most effective way is to do the research (find the sources to establish ]) and do it yourself. Doing that will have the side benefit that if you can't find suitable sources, you'll know that the article cannot be written. ] (]) 21:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			:The intersection of WT:CHEM and WP:TH is non-null:) Feel free to add cited info to ], which I just turned blue. ] (]) 02:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Good job! It's sometimes said around here that Teahouse-people don't start articles on request, but that isn't ''always'' true. Sometimes we feel like doing it. ] (]) 12:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Indeed. @] will remember leading me creating this one about ]s a couple of years ago. It's far less likely that anyone would ever want to create one about a businessman, cryptocurrency fad or 'some here-today-gone-tomorrow' minor celebrity. ] (]) 21:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::Sometimes we really want WP to have that article. ] was inspired by a question at Commons, but still. ] (]) 21:44, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::I'm often on the fence for these...promoting involvement by newer editors to create articles on topics of their interest (increased involvement is good, and demonstrated willingness to engage in collaboration) vs doing it myself (especially if it could benefit from specialized literature resources or where some people might not feel comfortable writing publicly about certain topics even if "anonymous"). ] (]) 00:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Youtube ==
	Does anybody have any tips on small edits, that will just help to improve credibility? I'm not to big on adding info as much as improving whats there.&nbsp;] (]) 11:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{u|GhostWRLD}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean that you want tips on finding such edits to make, the ] is a good place to start. ] (]) 11:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::{{u|331dot}} Thanks so much, I'll go check that out right now! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)</small>
			If a reliable source posts a video on Youtube, is the video a good source to rely on? ] (]) 23:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
	== A problem regarding a category of pages ==
			:YouTube as a source is generally usable if the outlet themselves posts the video to their verified channel. As an example, a video by CNN uploaded to CNN's own channel is fine. That same video uploaded to "NewsLieTracker"'s channel isn't. —] ] <sup><small>] ]</small></sup> 00:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	I've noticed many pages in the "in other media" category, tend to be filled to the brim with grammatical errors, and nothing is being done about it.
			::Thank you, but in ''name of the website'' do i put the publisher, or YouTube? ] (]) 00:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::You'd put the publisher, and put YouTube in the ''via'' parameter. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 02:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Hi {{u|WikiPhil012}}. You should probably take a look at ] and ] before adding any links to YouTube videos to any Misplaced Pages, even as part of a citation. If the source itself is considered to be a reliable source (]), you can still cite it without providing a link to YouTube; just make sure you provide as much information as you can about the original source in the citation as explained in ]. -- ] (]) 02:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::::You can put YouTube videos on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 02:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::That last comment is true in some cases, but false in most. See ], as already cited. ] (]) 11:59, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			== promotional template ==
	these pages are often poorly worded, in a more essay type of writing than documentation, and they have a few other problems.
	] (]) 12:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)		can white44tree please add ] template to ] article on wikipedia? ] (]) 00:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	: We will look forwarded to seeing your improvements to the articles in question. --] (]) 12:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)		:Well i added the promotional template. ] ] 00:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Does the content appear promotional? -- ]-'']'' -- 00:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Oh yea... removed it sorry ] ] 00:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Vacuity (see the article, and ]) isn't the same as promotionalism. -- ] (]) 01:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::what about ] page add ] template? ] (]) 01:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Are primary sources okay for a (minor) controversy section? ==
	not to come off as lazy, but i think improving these articles is gonna have to be a group effort. it's that widespread. ] (]) 12:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{u|Sbob99}} Thanks for the information, but if you want others helping you, the best way to start is to begin making the changes you want to see yourself. This is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, and it's more persuasive for others to help when they see the person asking for help doing the requested activity. ] (]) 13:33, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:I went to look, {{U|Sbob99}}, to see if there was an obvious ] to suggest you try, but since there is no ], I don't know which articles you are talking about. --] (]) 18:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			Currently working on the article ] (a section at ]), and I'm considering adding a (specifically minor) ] controversy paragraph pertaining to the name of the band, sitting under the "Name" heading after the name's origin. Currently, the only relevant sources are these two interviews with and with respectively. The former has a story about how they were nearly stopped by police from doing a gig, being mistaken for a ] rally because of the name, and the latter having a sentence about the band receiving a letter from someone after the release of ], who "had the wrong idea about us and didn’t like the One Nation lyrics." (Note: One Nation is a song about anti-racism and bigotry.) However, since these are both primary sources, I still hold concerns on whether or not this should be included in the final article. If anyone can provide another opinion, it'd be highly appreciated.
	==Articles being deleted==
	Why Misplaced Pages volunteers is deleting my articles? Help me&nbsp;] (]) 12:52, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	: You have created no articles. For other pages which have been deleted you can see the deletion logs: ], ], and . There are links to explain the criteria such as ], ], and ]. There has been further advice on your user talk page. --] (]) 13:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{ec}} Hello, {{U|Shahnwaz aalam}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. Have you read the notices on your talk page? And at ]. Those pages have been deleted because they were not suitable for Misplaced Pages. Your latest attempt (] looks more appropriate - though it is not clear yet whether Yadav is ] in Misplaced Pages's sense), and your ], though not suitable for a Misplaced Pages article, seems to show that you have begun to understand a bit more about Misplaced Pages. It might some day be expanded into an ], though I would wait until you have more experience before you try. Have you taken ]? Or read ]? --] (]) 13:19, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::Shahnwaz aalam indefinitely blocked on 22 June. ] (]) 16:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			—] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 04:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Request ==
			:Hello —]. I know nothing about the band, but I suggest you write that during an interview Wiley Arnett stated the band got its name because of – whatever reason was given. Perhaps a better source for the name origin could be found later on, and then the article can be edited. ] (]) 05:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hi @]: primary sources can be used to verify facts (straightforward and non-contentious ones). If the question is "where did this band get its name?", then arguably there is no better source to answer that, than the people who actually named it, ie. the band members. Even if you find a secondary source, say a magazine telling us where the name comes from, the information almost certainly ultimately traces back to the band members anyway. But as Karenthewriter suggests, rather than simply stating it as an absolute fact like "the name comes from" you should refer to that primary source and phrase it as "''according to Arnett'', the name comes from" (or words to that effect). -- ] (]) 07:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			== susanhollowayscott.com reliable? ==
	The Lakhahi Raj Misplaced Pages article has not original infobox settlement how to make that original one i.e what exactly infobox settlement looks like&nbsp;] (]) 13:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	: If you are asking where to find details of the template infobox settlement, you'll find them at ]. --] (]) 13:32, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			I'm currently working on upgrading an article to Good Article status, but there's still one citation left that's needed. Unfortunately, the only source I can seem to find is susanhollowayscott.com, which is a blog. I know that some blogs are allowed, so is this one trustworthy, or is it unreliable? Help! ] <sub>] ]</sub> 18:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	== What should I do when I notice paid/COI editing? ==
			:Hello, @]. ] says {{tq|when produced by an established ], whose work '''in the relevant field''' has previously been published by ], independent publications}}. According to our article on ], she is a writer of historical fiction, and her blog seems to be mostly on historical subjects, as you might expect. She has no doubt done her research, but unless she has a track record as a reliably published writer about history, it doesn't sound promising. ] (]) 18:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hi,
			::<s>Your refs 1,2 and 3 are to her website, and therefor not independent and not contributing to confirming notability. ] (]) 20:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
	One of the pages that I have on my watchlist has some recent editing that is clearly COI or paid. The username is the name of the organization in question. But their edits aren’t incorrect or anything. They also haven’t created a user page. What should my next step be? Is there someone I report it to, or do I create their page so I can comment about COI, or do I undo their edits?&nbsp;] (]) 13:43, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			:::<s>The article content states what she has written, but does not have content or refs for what has been written about her. This is Start class at best (the current rating) and needs significant work before being upgraded to C-class, let alone nominated for GA. ] (]) 20:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
	:Hi ] and welcome to the Teahouse - please have a close look at ], there you should find all the answers to your questions. ] (]) 14:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			::::OP nominated ], not Susan Holloway Scott. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 20:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	:: Thank you for the link, ]. If I should discuss with the user on their talk page, but they don’t have a talk page, should I create one so that I can comment? Or is it better practice to just try to have the discussion on the article’s talk page? ] (]) 14:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::: Every User has a Talk Page on Misplaced Pages - in your case it will just be blank I guess, so you are free to create a new entry on its talk page. But of course you can also discuss this on the article talk page as well. ] (]) 14:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)		:::::Yes, query pertains to raising ] to GA, and want to know if effort can use Scott's blog as a reference. In that case, I agree with ColinFine that while Scott publishes historical fiction, she does not quality as an academic historian with bona fides. ] (]) 20:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{yo|Apathyash}} Usernames representing an organisation ], even if they are editing in good faith and not adding blatant promotion. If you report such user names to ], the user will receive a block notice explaining about allowed usernames and COI editing. --'']'' <small>] ]</small> 14:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	== hey fellas ==		== Sources and Notability ==
	whats' everybody been up to lately?&nbsp;] (]) 13:47, 22 June 2020 (UTC)		Just because sources exist for a subject does not necessarily mean that it is notable enough to have a Misplaced Pages article, correct? ] (]) 22:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	:{{u|Herschel Goldman}} Hello. Do you have a question about using Misplaced Pages? ] (]) 14:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::HG registered an account and started editing on 22 June, and was indefinitely blocked one hour and six minutes later. Probably not a record, but still.... ] (]) 16:34, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			:@] Correct. ] sources are wanted, not, for example, subject's social media. ] (]) 22:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	== On Past Vandalism ==
			::Hello ]. There can not be an Misplaced Pages article unless the subject is considered notable. Sources exist about me, including mentions in a few local newspaper articles, but that doesn't make me Misplaced Pages-article-notable. If you haven’t already done so reading ] may be of help to you. ] (]) 03:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::Alright, thanks. I was just wondering cause I very recently obtained NPR rights, and wanted to know if just because an article with sources meant that it was notable, since I forgot. ] (]) 06:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			== A Page about Indian Educational linguist - Rama Kant Agnihotri ==
	I would like to apologize for making edits that were just blatant vandalism. I've read up a lot on the policies and guidelines of Misplaced Pages in the recent days, and I would love to become a helpful and constructive member of this community. I guess my question is where I can post this.&nbsp;] (]) 13:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{u|Xtat1c}} Hello. You could post such a statement on your user page if you wished. ] (]) 14:06, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			I am in doubt if the person is nitable and whether he should have a wikipedia page.
	== Help creating page ==
	What if I want help on creating like a new page about someone that has not been created yet? WHere could I go for someone to help me?] (]) 13:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)&nbsp;] (]) 13:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{u|Brysonjett}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully creating a new article(not just a "page") is the absolute hardest task to perform on Misplaced Pages. It takes much time and practice. If you are new to creating articles, you will greatly increase your chances of success if you spend a lot of time first editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Misplaced Pages operates and what is expected of article content and sources. It's also a good idea to use the ] to learn more about Misplaced Pages.
	:If you still want to attempt to create an article, you should read ] and then visit ], which has more information and a process to allow you to create and submit a draft for other editors to see before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia. This way you find out any problems first, instead of afterwards, when it will be treated more critically. ] (]) 14:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			Full name - Rama Kant Agnihotri
	== Is the topic for article significant enought? ==
			Profession - Professor (Retd.), faculty at Uni. of delhi.
	Greetings! I'm new on wiki project and have some doubts about about future article, which i want to create. I want to create an article about university. It's official partner of ] and i think some people could be interested to know about it. I want to know is this topic significant enough to be published as an article?
	I also collected some sources to confirm provided information, but information in some of this sources not in English language. Would it be a problem? If yes, what can you suggest me to solve it?
	Thank you for attention!&nbsp;] (]) 14:46, 22 June 2020 (UTC)		Wrote many books, including, Routledge published: an essential Hindi grammar. ] (]) 22:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			:@], do you mean ]? ]&nbsp;] 22:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hello, {{U|Turquoisecacke}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. Many universities are ] and are suitable topics for a Misplaced Pages article, but not all. Sources aree essential. They do not have to be in English, althoguh if some are tht is helpful. There should be multiple ] published ] that discuss the topic in ]. "Independent" is key, this excludes sources published by the university itself, or its affiliates or partners, and by its employees. If there are not at least three or four such sources, don't waste your time trying to start an article. News sources are often good, but other kinds of sources are fine. In the case of sources not in English, it is possible to provide a translation o0f the title of the source, which can be helpful. (If using citation templates, the {{para|trans-title}} parameter serves this purpose.)
	:Please review ] and ] before starting. ] ]] 15:03, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:: Thanks for reply, {{U|DESiegel}}! I'll try to follow your suggestions!
	::With regards, ] (]) 17:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Well, ], it's merely a draft. Let's see how the draft develops. I have to say, though, that it's seriously defective. Consider this somniferous sample: "Rama Kant Agnihotri’s work has been pivotal in leveraging India’s rich linguistic diversity as a tool for social justice and educational equity." I think this means "Rama Kant Agnihotri’s work has made India’s linguistic diversity a tool for social justice and educational equity"; but I'd have to look at the source to be sure. However, the only source provided is by Rama Kant Agnihotri himself, so it can't be used to verify a claim for an achievement by him. -- ] (]) 00:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Incorrect Mayor's name - appears to be intentional ==
			::Aside from the draft, you should not have article-like content on your Use page and should stop any work on ]. As for the unsubmitted draft ], needs work before being submittedfor review. ] (]) 04:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Jean-François Ballester ==
	City of Darien - the Mayor's name was correct; however, the below link shows it to be Mayor Joseph Mama - instead of Mayor Joseph Marchese for the below link - unable to correct.
	https://www.google.com/search?q=city+of+darien&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS821US821&oq=city+of+darien&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j46j69i59j0j46l2j0l2.4975j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&nbsp;] (]) 16:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			2 weeks ago someone added something in French to the article ]. According to Google translate it's about the place and grave, where he was buried. As they put malformed "ref"-tags around it, it's not clear to me, what they intended to do. So: should the sentence be deleted, or could it be used somehow? ] ] 23:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hi IP user. The Misplaced Pages page ] is correct, unfortunately that Google search is not. That information is provided by Google, and not controlled by Misplaced Pages. So you would need to contact them directly to fix it. ]] (] 16:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			:The reference was for his mother and sister being coaches, so I moved it back up to that line. I removed the addition in French (location of his grave), as there was no source to support it. ] (]) 23:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Whole30 articles edits always being removed ==
			== Copyright question ==
	Hi All!
	I am a student editor who just completed an assignment adding on to a wikipedia article. I chose to update the Whole30 Misplaced Pages page as it was on the shorter side and was clearly biased against The Whole30 Program. However, for some reason as soon as I publish an edit it is immediately taken down. Can someone look into this?&nbsp;] (]) 16:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:At ], two editors who are deeply experienced in editing medicine/health/diet articles each reverted your edits, giving their reasons in their Edit summaries. The next step in disputes about content is to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article to make your case for your proposed changes, perhaps inviting those editors to discuss with you their reasons for reverting your changes. ] (]) 16:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::Hello, {{U|SallyLittle}}. Your most recent sequence of edits was . It added non-independent, promotional sources, and what looks to me like promotional language. It removed the businessinsider and delawareonline sources, which look reliable on a first glance. Discussing this on ] would be the way to go. ] ]] 16:56, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	== Could an impartial editor please check out a page? ==
			https://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/data/images/1315374-Thomas_Robert_Bugeaud.jpg
	Hello,
	Could an impartial editor please check out ] and possibly remove the banners? I had many discussions on the talk page ] with the editor who put the banners on, . Ultimately, they put up more banners after discussion on the talk page; and they changed the subject sections, which made the article more convoluted, making it appear as if the artist's art projects were separate from her career. I tried to work with that but decided to rework the article since it seemed convoluted. On top of that the original subject format https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Patricia_Olynyk&oldid=904565898 is pretty standard for artist's listing as far as I can tell and much easier to parse, which is why I reverted the page back to that format. Any suggestions to improve the page would be great too. I would appreciate an impartial editors insight and help on this. Thank you.
	] (]) 16:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)&nbsp;] (]) 16:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Hi ] and welcome to the Teahouse - as far as I see you already are in discussion with ], which is by the way sysop and a long experienced editor - the Talk Page is absolutely the correct place to handle this issue, by far better than the Teahouse over here. ] (]) 18:58, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Hello ], I did continue discussing it with on the talk page and they never replied. That was last year. I will post there again. Also, I think they did not get that an artist's career encompasses the art work and scholarly work together, they broke it into separate sections, which is why I asked for an impartial editor to review it. (By the way, I did edit this question: the title line to make the issue clearer, and because I forgot to make the links active.) Thank you.
			Can I just check this is out of protection, it was painted in the 1840s, does it being a digital image have different / changed protection? ] (]) 09:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	== How to edit more substantially in a specific subject ==
			:@] Faithful 2D representations/photos of paintings that old would be in the ], as that article explains. When you upload the image to Commons, make sure you include your immediate source, i.e. the weblink you gave here. More complex copyright questions should be directed to the Commons helpdesk at ]. ] (]) 14:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hello! I am interested in ], and would like to edit more substantially in that realm. Can you give me tips on how to make large edits to tropical cyclone articles? I sometimes feel unsure of myself when making large edits.&nbsp;] (]) 17:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			::Cheers ] (]) 16:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	: {{re|NOOBSKINSPAMMER}} Welcome to Misplaced Pages and thanks for wanting to make it better. I suggest starting with smaller edits until you become more confortable. Also, for large changes, it is a good idea to post your idea to the article's talk page to get input from other editors who are also interested in that article. ] (]) 17:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	: {{re|RudolfRed}} Thank you! I will try to do what you suggested. ] (]) 17:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::{{re|NOOBSKINSPAMMER}}, Hello! The article is a so called ], meaning it's supposed to be one of WP:s best. Best does not mean perfect, and it became FA in 2008, which is quite some time ago. However, like RudolfRed says, you can be ] but try not to be reckless. If you add stuff, cite good sources. Note that many sections mention a "main article", and sometimes details fit better there. Try to focus on one section at a time, and see how that goes. Good luck! ] (]) 20:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	== Adding my draft to article ==		== I need a biography written on Misplaced Pages ==
			As a naturopath and holistic healthcare practitioner, I'd like an experienced Wiki writer to feature an article on my expertise. If any of you can help then please reach out soon. ] (]) 11:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	I have recently created this draft
			:@] Posting a request here at the Teahouse is more-or-less an invitation to ] to "reach out" and take your money, as the link I've added explains. If you are (or become) a ], then a volunteer will likely notice and write about you. There are ]. ] (]) 12:13, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Draft:Ruan_Galdino
			:Hello, @]. To put your request in other words "I want to use Misplaced Pages to promote my business". ] of any kind is forbidden on Misplaced Pages.
			:''If'' several people who have no connection with you, and have not been commissioned or fed information on you behalf, choose to write at some length about you in ], then you would probably meet Misplaced Pages's criteria for ], and an article could be written about you. Such an article would not belong to you, would not be controlled by you, would not necessarily say what you want it to say, and would be able to be edited by almost anybody in the world ''except'' you and your associates. If it happened that there was reliably published material that was negative about you, that would probably be discussed in the article. See ]
			:If you have not been written about in that way, then no amount of work, and no amount of money, is going to be able to put an article about you in Misplaced Pages: see ].
			:Please focus on other means to promote your business. And don't, whatever you do, pay somebody to write a Misplaced Pages article about you: see ]. ] (]) 13:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Your submission of a draft about yourself at ] has been declined. For a living person, all content must be verified by valid references (see ]). References need to be to publications about you, not sci journal articles for which you were a co-author. Those are useless. ] (]) 16:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			:{{ping|Dr. Mojibul Haque}} I feel I should point out that alternative medicines (and those who practice with same) are in a ] ], with part of the issue in the topic area being promotion such as you're attempting to do. —] ] <sup><small>] ]</small></sup> 16:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			== What is the WikiCup ==
	I want to add this to Articles but because this is my first article I am weary of the process in terms of whether or not the article is up to scratch.
	I do not understand what I should do. Please an we talk. Thank you&nbsp;] (]) 17:23, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Your draft ] has not been submitted. There is a submit place to click. Once you do that, a reviewer will review it in days to months. ] (]) 18:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	::Consider removing double brackets ] that you have placed around names which cause those names to show up as red. Red Wikilinks are used to indicate topics that might be article-worthy. You have created many, and some of these may not be justified as potentially article-worthy. ] (]) 18:17, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			What is the WikiCup, that’s my only question. ] (]) 12:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Wrong info from WIKI article in Google knowledge box. How to fix or update? ==
			:See ] ] (]) 12:12, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Hey @], The ] is an annual writing competition on Misplaced Pages, where participants earn points by contributing to articles across various categories. The goal is to encourage high-quality contributions and promote engagement. ] (]) 13:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			== Is Muck Rack a Self-published source? ==
	Hello!
			Hey, Hope you are doing great, I'm here to ask about ]. Is it a ]? ] (]) 13:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	I am an editor of article ]. After article was posted in first editions - in Google search automatically appeared this ]. First problem is that the person died in 70 y.o. age, but box said he is 84yo (as he still alive), despite that both born and death dates are metioned in the article and in Wikidata item. Second - no photo appeared in box, despite that it is in the article and in wikidata. These changes were made in wiki months ago, so google had plenty of time to update box, but until today (22/jun/2020) nothing happened. Please, give me advice. Thank you!&nbsp;] (]) 18:07, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			:I am not sure but their journalist profolios/profile are automatically generated and may contain errors. I wouldn't consider it a reliable source for a comprehensive list of any journalist's article. But I'd consider it fine to put it in an 'external links' section, especially if the profile is a verified one. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 14:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Google indexes pages reasonably regularly but does not index every page in every web site. This information is in Google's hands, not Misplaced Pages's. My best advice is that you ignore it. ] ] 18:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			::@] Thank you for your reply. ] (]) 16:22, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	:Hi ], welcome to the Teahouse. Here is our standard reply for similar posts (which often fail to mention they saw the problem at Google):
	:] Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's ] uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Misplaced Pages" to indicate that particular text was copied from Misplaced Pages. An image and other text before or after the Misplaced Pages excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Misplaced Pages. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines.<!--- Template:HD/GKG ---> ] (]) 19:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			== about create new page ==
	== ADMINS FROM INDIA MISUSING THEIR POWERS FOR MONEY TO PROMOTE BIASED PROPGANDAS ON WIKIPEDIA ==
			it require article to create new page you might help me to understand ] (]) 13:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	HI RECENTLY A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM INDIA STARTED EDITING ARTICLES IN BIASED WAY PARTICULARLY TO MALIGN reputation and spread disinformation to wikipedia users . their team has two admins with other simple users too. they works on monetary purposes . then they block the users without no reason when someone exposes them . they also do blacklisting of news websites on wikipedia and add protection to wiki pages they even undo other admins revisions or restoration&nbsp;] (]) 18:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Hi ] sounds pretty strange to my ears but anyway: Can you give an example? User/Article?! If so sysops could check this over here. ] (]) 18:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Hello, {{U|Loneltrussia}}. If you are talking about English Misplaced Pages, then please give us some examples. If you are talking about another language Misplaced Pages, then nobody here has any control or influence: different language Wikipedias are entirely separate. --] (]) 19:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Hello, @], and welcome to the Teahouse.
	HI SURELY THERE IS ALREADY A NEWS ARTICLE ABOUT THE GUYS AND ITS ON english wikipedia mainly. here is detailed info about the members of the group. the guy named newslinger IN THIS blog there is twitter thread in detailed way must see the blog .they blocked website which exposes them from wikipedia and added it in blacklist . iam using landing page to allow it so you can see their misdeeds. they blacklisted or blocked everyone who raised voice. please srr
			:Trying to write an article before you have spent time learning how Misplaced Pages works is likely to lead to disappointment and frustration, and probably a lot of wasted effort.
	<ref>https://linktr.ee/landingpagewikiissue</ref>
			:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}.
	] (]) 20:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
			:Looking at ] (which is where your attempted article currently is), it appears that you have done the obvious thing of starting by writing what you about a subject. Unfortunately this is writing the article ] - because Misplaced Pages does not have any interest at all in what you know about Umubwiriza (or what I know, or what any random person on the Internet knows). Misplaced Pages is almost ''only'' interested in what has been published ''about'' him in ] by people completely ]. Unless you ''start'' by finding such sources, you are very likely wasting your time. ] (]) 14:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	i have info about another guy who vandals history pages of india on english wikipedia they are team of two first one vandals the page the second one thanks and if anyone revert their change the second guy revert again and made article to vandalised version again . they are causing edit wars on wikipedia too . i can provide their info too if you need for taking the action and inpection.
			:If English is not your first language, I recommend editing in a Misplaced Pages version that is in another language. You can see ] for a list. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 14:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	] (]) 20:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	{{reflist-talk}}
	:Note that the article is on a site called ], which our article suggests has a reputation for publishing fake news and spreading hatred. ] (]) 20:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	== ] ==		== Redirect note ==
			When I go to ] from my Chrome browser, a note appears at the top, (Redirected from ]). This note does not appear in the editor, and also does not appear if I go to the article from within Misplaced Pages. Why does it appear, and how can it be eliminated (or should it)? ] (]) 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	Good day to everyone viewing this page,
			:This note means that you were sent to the article from a ]. This is not a problem and likely just means that the page that is saved in your browser is the redirect page and not the actual page. (What probably happened here is that the first time you visited the article, it was a draft, which was then ] to the final article, leaving a redirect.) Again, this is not anything you need to worry about - it is completely normal to be redirected sometimes. ] (]) 16:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	I was wondering if someone could help me with an issue I've just come across.
			== Glitch? ==
	I recently joined Misplaced Pages to make a (small) contribution to the project, mainly for articles relating to musical artists, and mainly in cases where a page has been edited rather haphazardly and doesn't meet the high standard to which most other pages on this project adhere. This 'hapzard editing' also applies to releases by musical artists, such as the one in the title here.
			I'm currently working on ], and while updating the "Aftermath" section I noticed that one of the links in the lead bugged out, producing "post-open">Fujita Scalepost-close">" in regular text instead of ]. Does anybody else see this? It's been happening for months, and I can't for the life of me figure out what's happening. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 16:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	Catatonia have never released an album called 'Catatonia Greatest Hits', the album is in fact called 'Greatest Hits' and the page should be titled 'Greatest Hits (Catatonia album)'. However I am not able to do this is searching that title redirects to the main band page. I've tried to remove the redirect but upon further research of the issue have discovered that this is something that can only be done by an administrator (understandably).
			:It was in the wikitext, no idea why. I've removed it. ]&nbsp;] 16:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Hm, that’s… odd. I’m not sure what it is, but I’ll ask around at the VP. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 16:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			== unblocking request ==
	Could I ask for assistance in the matter please?
			Can someone help me with request please? ] (]) 16:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	Kind regards,
	] (]) 19:33, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
	:Hello, {{U|Sburbridge92}}, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have moved the article to ]. It looks to me as if one or two additional sources would not be a bad idea for this article. I added one. ] ]] 20:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm need of some assistance with creating a Misplaced Pages page about a music artist. Can anyone advise which template to use? RATHOMP (talk) 02:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

look at other Misplaced Pages pages about music artists ... 69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. From your question, I suspect that you are focussing on the layout of your proposed article (I'm guessing that that's what you mean by a "template" - we use the word a bit differently here). But while the layout of an article is important, it is MUCH less important than the quality of the sources used. Until you have found adequate sources to establish that the artist meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for , it's pointless spending any time thinking about the content or the layout. To use a house-building analogy, you may have an idea for what you want your house to look like, and even a plan; but until you've surveyed the site to make sure it's fit to build on, and checked that your plans meet local building regulations, it would be a waste of effort to start building.

More generally, My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Is there a specific place you're currently working on the article at? I can't seem to find it on your userpage as a subpage. For advice, I'd recommend looking at other music artist articles (specifically various quality articles from The Beatles to Sepultura ) for general outlines on how to write it. For infoboxes, use {{infobox musical artist}} and fill out the template using it's template page at Template:Infobox musical artist. For general advice on writing, see Misplaced Pages's content policies and guidelines, I'd recommend WP:Nutshell as a starting point.

Thanks, Sparkle and Fade _edits 08:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

how can I rigth a article in wikipedia

how can I rigth Daniel Muanga (talk) 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Article wizard

69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

New editors are strongly advised to first gain skills by doing time improving existing articles. References required. David notMD (talk) 05:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

See referencing for beginners. When editing, think twice, preview before publishing (maybe even twice) and take responsibility. Cwater1 (talk) 16:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Find a Grave = WP:RS ?

Is Find a Grave = WP:RS ?

69.181.17.113 (talk) 04:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Please consult Misplaced Pages:FINDAGRAVE. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

The answer is "no" because Find a Grave consists of user generated content, and is specifically mentioned in the WP:USERGENERATED section of the reliable sources guideline as a source that should not be used as a reference on Misplaced Pages. That does not mean that Find a Grave is of no value to Misplaced Pages editors. You may be able to find nuggets in those listings that will inform your searches about various people. Some but not all Find a Grave listings include references to reliable sources, and those sources may be useful as Misplaced Pages references. One thing that Find a Grave can teach editors is that many people down through the years share the same name, and we need to be very careful to avoid including biographical details about one Andrew Wilson in an article about another Andrew Wilson. That's just one of countless examples. I have been working on Andrew Stephen Wilson today, so that's why I chose that example.. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello -- I would like to start helping, but I'm having trouble finding what to do!

I see lots of support for ultra basics, but I know what the concept is, and how to edit, and how to make italics and hyperlinks, and that I should use a neutral voice, etc. I am trying to find some guidance on WHAT to contribute. I found the Typo Team (or at least, this typo team), but I haven't found guidance on interacting with it. (Do I delete entries if I resolve them? Yesterday I found many entries to check, but today none of the articles seem to HAVE the potential typo that was listed, or even a fixed version). I have found this Growth page, but can't get the features working. For example, it says to enable the Help panel in the Editing tab, but I don't see such a thing in the Editing tab. I also can't find "Display newcomer homepage" in my user preferences. Similar with Suggested Edits -- how can I "use Special:NewcomerTasksInfo"? Etc., etc. I must be missing some key piece of advice -- where can I figure out how to get things rolling? SKM (talk) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Skmccormick. As a volunteer project, you're free to do whatever you wanna do best. Want to copyedit a bunch of articles and bring our grammar up to shape? Join the Guild of Copy Editors and go wild. Wanna fight vandalism? Go patrol Special:RecentChanges and stop those dang vandals! Wanna go help out that typo team? Go right ahead. It's your choice. Tarlby 05:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@Skmccormick

• You should find display user homepage at the bottom of Special:Preferences, "User profile" tab.
• If I wanted to interact with the typo team, my first place to try would be Misplaced Pages talk:Typo Team.
• Have you found WP:TASKS and WP:REQUEST? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! These links are helpful. I found "display user homepage" under User Profile. So maybe a silly question, but: how do I find this user homepage? I don't really go to Misplaced Pages generically, I usually jump straight to an article. Tasks and Requests seem like what I'm looking for. SKM (talk) 01:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

The link should be right at the top of every page when you're logged in, in the same place/menu as the link to your userpage. -- asilvering (talk) 02:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Skmccormick, do you have any particular topics that you'd like to edit about? One way to find a lot of articles that need help is to go through our various maintenance backlogs (Gråbergs Gråa Sång has already linked you to WP:TASKS). Some people are content to plug away at a particular backlog chronologically, but if you prefer to edit on things you're generally interested in, it's helpful to filter these by wikiproject. Alternatively, do you have any particular skills or outside knowledge that might be helpful here? There's always demand for multilingual editors, the copyright folks are always backlogged, etc. -- asilvering (talk) 10:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I would prefer to get into the groove with smaller contributions before I start throwing any weight around. Sadly, I cannot offer multilingual help; I am American. I'm mostly having trouble navigating the various pages and internal tools like TASKS or RecentChanges (anything labeled "Special:" is still new to me). SKM (talk) 01:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm a fan of Category:Misplaced Pages introduction cleanup as a newbie task - not small, exactly, but hey, no time like the present to learn to WP:BEBOLD. You don't (or shouldn't) need to do any research to fix these articles - most of them are here because they are tagged with "lead too short". Find one of those, read the article, then rewrite the lead so it summarizes it accurately. Then remove the tag. All this requires is good English literacy, and since the lead is what most people read and what is used in the google knowledge box etc, it's a high-impact change that requires very little wiki-knowledge. -- asilvering (talk) 02:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Different images for Light/Dark mode

Is there any way to tell Misplaced Pages to display different images / media for Light vs Dark mode users? Due to transparency, some SVG and PNG images have bad contrast when viewed in Dark mode. CrushedAsian255 (talk) 06:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@CrushedAsian255 This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPT. That board has a more technically oriented team than here. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@CrushedAsian255, you can use {{dark mode switch}}, it does exactly what you're looking for. See DistroKid and YouTube; both articles use it for the logo in the infobox. TeoTB (talk) 04:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Wider vs specific consensus

Can a case-specific consensus triumph a wider topic consensus already established? Not that consensus over wider topic is changed but maybe because that case is viewed from a different perspective. ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 07:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor I doubt it. Were that to be the case we would not have consistency of operation. This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPP. That board has a more policy oriented team than here 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 09:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @ExclusiveEditor, and welcome to the Teahouse. While I agree with FiddleFaddle's advice, I would also remark that general questions like yours are very frustrating for people who attempt to answer questions here. If you explain the specific issue you want guidance on, you are much more likely to get a useful answer (and also be less likely to be suspected of wikilawyering).

I am aware of the possible irony in my answer, given your question. ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for replying! Being a half-host on Teahouse myself I get you. I was inspired to ask this question by the discussion happening here. The latter part of the discussion specifically focuses on if 'Nobel prize' should be added or not in Jimmy Carter's death blurb on Main page's ITN section. It was initially proposed by the nominator and many supported it (albeit not mentioning specifically the Nobel prize) and it got posted without the mention of the prize. However later there was some more scrambling, this time with more regard to the Nobel prize and so it currently updated to include the prize in the blurb. The opposers are generally arguing that it is editorializing and other things. I may not be very good in summarizing discussions, so I left it in the question. --ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 10:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

How to upload a >100 MB file to Misplaced Pages?100_MB_file_to_Wikipedia?-20241231074800">

I've uploaded plenty of files to Commons before, but I've only uploaded a few (non-free) files to WP. I would like to upload a short film that will become public domain in the US at the start of 2025 (won't be PD in its country of origin for a few years, so no uploading it to commons), but the file is over 100 MB, the maximum file size listed on the upload page. I don't want to compress it any more than it already is, so how to I get around this? I've seen several films large than 100 MB on WP already (1, 2), so it must be possible.

Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thanks. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 07:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)100_MB_file_to_Wikipedia?"> 100_MB_file_to_Wikipedia?">

@Toast for Teddy This question is likely to have a better audience at WP:VPT. That board has a more technically oriented team than here 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 09:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@Toast for Teddy That first file you linked was uploaded with the aid of a userscript discussed at Commons:User talk:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js. I don't pretend to understand the details, but you may ;-) Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Even if you're uploading "locally", Commons:Upload tools is likely helpful. All the projects use the same MediaWiki software, all that needs adjustment is the destination for the upload. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Editing a sandbox, references number is doubling

Hi there! I was editing my sandbox and for some reasons all the different references I am adding are doubling the number of them and the previous ones are not disappeared. I was following your suggestions to add COI edit to my text, eliminating the internal sources and the bold words. Can you help me or it is just a matter of viewing and once I publish the sand box they will all disappear? Andrea Biographer (talk) 09:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Andrea Biographer: it seems that with this edit you've duplicated the contents by pasting an earlier edit into the page, thus embedding a copy of the entire page within the page (if that makes sense). You should undo your most recent edits up to and including that one. Or if you'd like me to do it, let me know. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @DoubleGrazing, thanks for your prompt answer! I think you made sense, could you check and fix this for me? I don't want to commit any further mistakes in the editing process or in the COI different templates, thanks in advance! Andrea Andrea Biographer (talk) 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

User:Theroadislong has already sorted this out. Also, your draft is now located at Draft:Gridspertise. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

how to give feedback

i had a question on why an article was written and sent it to info@ wikipedia. they told me that I needed to engage in the "talk" feature and ask the editors, since wikipedia is only a platform. I did that and not only was the answer not given I was ridiculed, because I am not actually sure why. I am not interested in editing wikipedia, I am only interested in engaging with the editors, to understand inconsistencies. How exactly would I do that, if I should not be using the talk feature. thanks Mommer264 (talk) 12:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Discussion about an article usually takes place on its talk page. Discussion with an editor directly can occur on their user talk page.

Note that your only other edit was about the Israeli-Arab/Palestinian conflict, which is a topic area with special rules that I will notify you of on your user talk page. One of those is that you must be an experienced user in order to make edits to any type of page about it. Your account must be 30 days old with 500 edits. 331dot (talk) 12:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Also answering your query: :You asked a question that is now at Talk:State of Palestine/Archive 21. Talk pages of articles are not for 'open' questions. Instead, the proper method is to propose a specific change of text, as in replace A with B, and include a reference to support your proposal. Given that State of Palestine is a very controversial article, editors who participate there - at both article and talk - can be short on tact. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I am not interested in editing wikipedia If you're not interested in contributing to the project, then you probably ought to go elsewhere. The purpose of Misplaced Pages is to produce an encyclopedia; notably, talk pages are for constructively discussing the project and its content, not general Internet forums for discussion. There are many many discussion forums elsewhere on the Internet, and Misplaced Pages can even help direct you to some of them. If you do wish to contribute to the encyclopedia, take a look at WP:Welcome. Thank you and I hope you have a good day. --Slowking Man (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

VisualEditor

I've just changed my Preferences > Editing

Turned on "Enable the visual editor" (which, I think, it's on by default in Misplaced Pages in Italian language)

But i can not find out how to edit with VisualEditor.

I've looked at Help:VisualEditor and it says (Help:VisualEditor#Opening VisualEditor to click on the "Edit" tab (in the picture I can see a "drop down" menu to choose the editor).

But I've not this choice. My tab is named "Edit source". Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I've found out, reading Help:VisualEditor#First step: enabling VE (which seems a bit outdated, by the way).

After I've changed my Preferences > Editing > "Enable the visual editor" = ON

and the press "save" button at the bottom.

Only then, a "drop down menu" show up in the same section: "Editing mode", which is setted by default "Remember the last editor". I've changed it to "Show both editor tabs".

It's not easy to find out. Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 15:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

By the way, I've looked at the settings on Misplaced Pages in Italian language and "Enable the visual editor" it's enough there (there is no "Editing mode" option at all) Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 15:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Italian Misplaced Pages and English Misplaced Pages run on the same system, MediaWiki, but are two different Wikipedias. So if this is a question about itwiki, then you should go to a help board on itwiki. If this a question about enwiki, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

But, @Centrodiurnomilano, do note that you can only use the VisualEditor is some namespaces but not all. You can in mainspace, userspace, draftspace but not in wikispace which is the space with the Misplaced Pages: prefix. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Cowboygilbert . I've tried in main space and the in user space. Centrodiurnomilano (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Were you able to fix it using the instructions that I put, you should be able to switch between the source editor and visual editor by pressing the pencil button next to the preview button in the source editor.? Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

"No Such Number tone" / "crybaby tone" (type of intercept error)

Hello everyone. This is one of my first times writing a brand-new article, and I'm not sure if this is a notable enough topic for its own page or a subsection in the intercept message.

This technically isn't a message, but before the intercept message was used, a different type of tone could also be returned instead of connecting to an operator. This is known under many different names, such as the "no such number tone" or even the "crybaby tone." This tone would be returned if a caller attempts to dial a number that can't possibly exist according to the numbering plan. The call would not be allowed to go through because some of these numbers could be reserved for private use. The tone itself is continuous, sweeping from 200-400Hz back to 200Hz again over the course of one second.

The issue is that it's almost exclusively used in North America, if not, completely exclusively. It was introduced by the Bell System in 1941, but I've also heard of it in use by the 3CX Asterisk system. However, my intent is to preserve information about this tone, as next to no information seems to exist about it. An excerpt from the Bell Labs Record describes it here. It also seems to be exclusive to crossbar systems.

Bell Labs record

Article about this record

Sample of this sound

What do you think of this? ZetaformGames (talk) 19:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ZetaformGames, welcome to the teahouse and welcome to Misplaced Pages! I think that this could be a good idea as a subsection in the article for Intercept message or some other related article. I don't think that there is enough for a full article with the sources you've posted but could definitely be an interesting paragraph! Justiyaya 07:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Alright, thank you! And thanks for the welcome. I made this account a while ago, but haven't felt confident enough in my editing skills until now to contribute. ZetaformGames (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Maryam Mirzakhani

Can someone fix the error in the Maryam Mirzakhani article?

Mirzakhani solved this counting problem by relating it to the problem of computing volumes in moduli space—a space whose points correspond to different complex structures on a surface genus Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle g} . In her thesis, Mirzakhani found a volume formula for the moduli space of bordered Riemann surfaces of genus g {\displaystyle g} with n {\displaystyle n} geodesic boundary components. From this formula followed the counting for simple closed geodesics mentioned above, as well as a number of other results. This led her to obtain a new proof for the formula discovered by Edward Witten and Maxim Kontsevich on the intersection numbers of tautological classes on moduli space.

Thanks. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 19:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 76.14.122.5. Generally, the best place to discuss something like this is on the talk page for the article in question, which in this case would be Talk:Maryam Mirzakhani; however, if you truly believe there's an error in the article, you can be WP:BOLD and fix it yourself if you think you can. Please understand though that "fix it" in this context means to correct the article in accordance with relevant Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, and the policies/guidelines most likely applicable in this case are going to be Misplaced Pages:Verifiability and Misplaced Pages:No original research. Ideally, you're going to need to find WP:SECONDARY reliable sources (as defined by Misplaced Pages) to cite in support of the change you want to make; even if you know such changes to be true, you're still going to need to cite reliable sources in support to allow others to verify the changes. If you just make a change without providing any citations to a reliable source in support, there's a good chance the change will be undone by another user. Given that this seems to be related to mathematics, you might argue that "proving" the information to be incorrect based on Mirakhani's academic thesis is more than sufficient in and of itself, but Misplaced Pages generally requires something more and a thesis is going to be, for the most part, considered a WP:PRIMARY source and could have other issues as explained in WP:SCHOLARSHIP. You could also try asking about this at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Mathematics since that's where you're going to have a better chance of finding someone sufficiently versed in mathematics who might be able to help sort this out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 19:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC);post edited. -- 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Please disregard my reply IP 76.14.122.5. I misunderstood what you were asking about. ColinFine's suggestion below seems to be the best course of action here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. What you are reporting is a problem in the software, the network, or the user interface, and not in the content of the article. Generally, technical problems of this sort are better handled at WP:VPT than here. However, I'm not seeing that problem, either on the browser on my laptop, or on the Android app. Is it repeatable, or might it have been a temporary glitch?

Actually, now I look at it, the URL above appears to be a local proxy, so it may be that whoever manages your local network has not configured the proxy in a way that Misplaced Pages requires. Again, WP:VPT is a better place to ask about this.

@Marchjuly. The problem that the IP is reporting is obviously a technical one, so your answer is entirely off the point. ColinFine (talk) 20:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for catching my mistake and pointing the OP in the right direction ColinFine. I've stricken my reply so as to not confuse the OP or anyone else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Stuck on Puerto Rico outages notability.

Hi, new to Misplaced Pages here and probably gonna create a draft on the Puerto Rico power outage crisis but wanted to ask: I’m stuck in the notability of this topic, so, is the Puerto Rico power outage crisis notable enough for Misplaced Pages? By power outage crisis I mean the beginning of the Puerto Rican outages from Hurricane Maria to now since it has lasted multiple years with sustained media coverage when an outage does occur. Cheers! 66.50.50.222 (talk) 20:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Rather than a new article, you could expand on the outages already documented in Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority and in LUMA Energy. Schazjmd (talk) 20:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

A search within Misplaced Pages on "Puerto Rico power outage" yields a list of several articles, including Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority and in LUMA Energy David notMD (talk) 21:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Noted. Will expand those articles then instead. Thanks! 66.50.50.222 (talk) 21:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

My first impression would be that an article is likely warranted. PR is an island of ~3 million people, in the same neighborhood as Los Angeles. If Los Angeles were having sustained multi-year-long Issues with electrical service, there would be an article about it. Non-English language sources are perfectly acceptable for citing in articles, as long as a little care is observed.

Note, to the anonymous editor: if you create an account you get your own shiny neato userspace to use mostly at your leisure, where for instance you can work on draft articles with no hurry. I have one underway in mine in fact. And thank you again for being interested in contributing to Misplaced Pages!

(Regarding LA: some may have had come to mind the California energy crisis, but, neat fact, LA actually escaped impact from that because of having its own municipal utility with its own generation capacity!) --Slowking Man (talk) 01:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Note to User:Slowking Man: The userspace is the wrong place to draft an article. Either use your Sandbox or else follow instructions at WP:YFA to create a draft. David notMD (talk) 03:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Is "userspace" not the colloquial term for "your user page and any and all subpages of it"? The "official" user sandbox link is Special:MyPage/sandbox, which takes you to the /sandbox subpage of your user page. --Slowking Man (talk) 05:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, the IP editor (66.xx) here, just created my account, and I mainly refrained from creating an article due to being worried about a potential conflict-of-interest (I live in Puerto Rico myself). I might work on a draft later today and collect sources (as @BusterD suggested), thank you all btw for helping me clear up this question I’ve had for some time now! Atheions (talk) 04:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

On the other hand, User:Slowking Man is correct that an article might be created on this newsworthy subject and that one shouldn't necessarily rely strictly on English-language sources. Looking at the existing material, it certainly seems a sequence of outages could be established from some of the reliable sources already applied to pagespace. I agree with User:David notMD that WP:YFA is a place to consider how to start a new page. I would start collecting sources, online and in print. BusterD (talk) 03:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Apologies if jumping the gun or creating a draft too early, but I have created one. Won’t be able to do much progress today but will def collect sources to use. Atheions (talk) 07:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Am I allowed to post something about a game I am making on Misplaced Pages?

Am i allowed to post somthing about a game i am making? On Misplaced Pages Aaronfart14 (talk) 22:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Allowed? Yes. Good idea? No. Likely to remain on Misplaced Pages? No. Writing an article is difficult, particularly for new editors. And since this is about your game, you have a conflict of interest in writing about it. See H:YFA and WP:COI. Simply posting information about your game rather than writing an article would be promotion. See WP:PROMOTION Meters (talk) 22:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Aaronfart14, the relevant content guideline is WP:Misplaced Pages is not for things made up one day. Cullen328 (talk) 02:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

If your game goes public, and if it becomes so popular that people are publishing about it, then there is a chance that someone other than you will create an article about it. David notMD (talk) 03:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Writing about Childhood and Early Life

I am writing an article about Andrea Sheridan Ordin, who is already included in two existing wikipedia articles entitled, "List of first women lawyers and judges in California" and "United States District Court for the Central District of California." I am interviewing her personally and have reputable sources about her career notability, but I'm not sure how to write her "early life" section, since there are not many sources describing her childhood aside from her firsthand account. How to I write about her early life without secondary sources? Aharten97 (talk) 22:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@Aharten97: It's not possible without reliable secondary published sources. For the policies, see WP:V. Personal notes from an interview are neither published nor reliable, and self-published statements are rarely reliable. If it's noteworthy it will have been published somewhere. If not then it isn't. -- zzuuzz 22:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

https://ethics.lacity.gov/news/murray-and-ordin-re-elected-as-ethics-commission-leaders/ provides some info for an Early life and education section. David notMD (talk) 04:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

What to write on your talk page?

Above question HELSINKI!233 (talk) 22:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi and welcome, @HELSINKI!233. Your talk page is where other editors can leave messages for you or begin conversations with you. You can learn more at the guidelines for user pages. Schazjmd (talk) 22:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

It is not for chat, or your thoughts/opinions about stuff. Also, with a few exceptions, you are allowed to delete content from your Talk page, although some people prefer to archive older content instead. David notMD (talk) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Citations about movies

I'm trying to improve The Lincoln Lawyer (film)

1) Is IMDB considered a good citation for the cast list, producer name, etc?

2) How do I add a citation to an existing infobox? (Visual or Source editor)

Many thanks

Ben (talk) 22:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi and welcome, @Littenberg. Imdb is not considered a reliable source because much of its information is user-generated. You can learn how to add citations at Easier Referencing for Beginners. Schazjmd (talk) 22:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

If you click on Edit at the top menu it allows you to edit the entire article, including the Infobox. David notMD (talk) 04:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

How do I create a Misplaced Pages article

How do I create an article on Misplaced Pages? Красный Октябрь (talk) 23:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Здравствуйте, @Красный Октябрь, and welcome to the Teahouse. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Can you help me learn how to make one? I want to make an article on the Kazan bombing that happened about a 1.5 week ago. Красный Октябрь (talk) 23:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Красный Октябрь, please be aware that the Russo-Ukrainian War is a designated contentious topic. You cannot write new content about that war until your account is Extended confirmed, which means the account is over a month old (it is) and has made over 500 constractive edits (you have a long way to go). Cullen328 (talk) 02:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Then can someone else make an article about it? Красный Октябрь (talk) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not to be authors or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 04:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Who do I ask about it? Красный Октябрь (talk) 08:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Красный Октябрь, if you persist in discussing a designated contentious topic such as the Russo-Ukrainian War before you are extended confirmed, you may be blocked. So, please edit other topic areas until then. Cullen328 (talk) 09:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

You could ask on Talk:Russo-Ukrainian War. Normally such talk pages are protected, but that one doesn't seem to be at this time. What might happen is that someone adds a paragraph about the incident to the existing article rather than create a new article.

I'll add that editors who aren't extended-confirmed generally aren't permitted to use the talk pages of such articles either, and I have always disagreed with this, mainly because constructive edit requests end up in WP:RFED, making extra work for administrators. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Why are padlocks not automatically added when an article is protected?

Sorry if this is the wrong place. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 02:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Heyaaaaalol Because an administrator needs to add a protection notice (the padlocks) to a page in order to show the padlock on pages. Sometimes the padlocks do not get placed on a page, especially if it's a user page, unless if the protection notice is placed by an administrator. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 03:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Heyaaaaalol, I have done some page protection myself. Usually when I apply protection, I wish to see the "padlock" icon applied. Sometimes when I use the protection script, I forget to click the toggle which leaves the padlock icon. In that case, there's a bot which usually fixes that mistake automatically. If you see a protected page without an icon, you might tell someone. Do our answers help? BusterD (talk) 03:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Heyaaaaalol. To actually answer your question: because nobody has implemented that function in the software. I don't know whether there is a technical reason for that, or whether it's just that nobody's got round to it. Questions about the software and user interface are better asked at the Village pump: either WP:VPT or WP:VPR ColinFine (talk) 13:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Heyaaaaalol: Protecting a page is a log action in the MediaWiki software which powers Misplaced Pages and thousands of other wikis. It does not make an edit to the page. Logs are separate from edits. Displaying a padlock with a link is a Misplaced Pages practice. We do it by editing the page and adding special code which places a padlock in the corner instead of the normal text area. Other wikis may use no or other symbols for protected pages, place them in other places, and make no or other links on them. A MediaWiki feature to automatically display a symbol on protected pages was recently added at phab:T12347 but it's disabled by default. I haven't examined how flexible it is but I guess it would be non-trivial for us to convert to using it when we already have a well-functioning system. There is so far only a single Wikimedia wiki which has set wgEnableProtectionIndicators to true in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Multiple non-free album covers on one page

For the album Breakfast with Girls, there's an associated EP located at the section Brunch. The EP has an infobox but is currently without cover artwork, so I'm wondering if it's appropriate for the article to have another non-free image when one is already in use for the album's artwork. If not within free use, Brunch's artwork (seen here) is mostly text on a black background, so would I be allowed to crop out the non-text part and use that as a public domain text logo image in an infobox? Koopastar (talk) 04:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Koopastar, I do think that another cover would be within fair use. There's also been instances of this in the past like In Rainbows#In Rainbows Disk 2. Happy editing! Justiyaya 06:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

afd

I really like a certain article, but it's afd, if it is deleted, is there a way to still view it 🐢 (talk) 05:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

History checker SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

If the article is still "public" currently, you can save a copy for yourself: Download as PDF (maybe see also Help:Export). Otherwise go to: CAT:RESTORE. --Slowking Man (talk) 06:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

This appears to be about X11 color names, which has been in existance since 2003 and has been edited more than 700 times since then. While it is unlikely that it will be deleted, as noted, you can save a copy to your computer. David notMD (talk) 13:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hypothetically, could it be possible to write a netural autobiography?

Hypothetically, would it be possible for someone on Misplaced Pages to write a neutral autobiography of themselves? Showing the good and bad and making no favor to either side, providing proof and checking all of the boxes. How would that go and would it be accepted? What if say a Misplaced Pages administrator that is not really well known becomes for example the president of the US? Can they have oversight over their own article? Are they removed from their position? Can they no longer edit anything involving US politics due to their inherent bias? And finally has there been any real examples of this over the past 20+ years? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, SimpleSubCubicGraph. Hypothetically, what you describe is possible but the president of the US example is implausible because credible candidates for that office would already be the subject of a Misplaced Pages article. More plausible would be a longtime editor elected to a state or provincial legislature. I see no reason why that person could not submit an autobiography through Articles for Creation with full disclosure, have the article accepted and continue as an editor or even as an administrator. They should certainly recuse from the current legislative affairs of their state or province but otherwise I would not see a broader problem. As for whether anything like that has ever happened, I do not know. Maybe another editor does. Cullen328 (talk) 06:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@SimpleSubCubicGraph welcome to the Teahouse! Interesting questions. I would say that while it is hypothetically possible, guidelines still strongly discourage creations of autobiographies and I haven't seen an instance of it being successful outside of early Misplaced Pages. This would have to go through articles for creation and the editor should declare their conflict of interest. Subjects do not have oversight of their own article.

I would argue that if someone is elected president of the US they would have a financial relationship with the federal government and should stay away from editing those topics. I think they would have potentially less of a conflict of interest with state governments and historical united states politics. I don't think one would be removed as an administrator because they are elected to a public office here. I don't know of any Wikipedian that has been elected. CongressEdits is probably the closest to an example of this. Justiyaya 06:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Succeeding at autobiography is more likely to occur in an area such as WP:NACADEMIC. A senior professor at a university would have as models articles about other professors at their university. David notMD (talk) 14:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

The only time I recall a good autobiography being written was when the CEO of a small business wrote one, submitted it for review, and it was accepted after some minor revisions. So it is possible.

By now I've gained enough experience on Misplaced Pages that I could probably write a neutral biography about myself, but because I am not notable, there's no point. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

a) It would probably go over reasonably well, presuming they followed the Correct way to do that kind of thing: don't create your own bio article (meaning here the literal "creating a new page in Main namespace") and don't edit it directly but put up stuff on the Talk page for others to evaluate, revise, and put into the article if they decide.

b) No, no one "owns" articles and gets special "powers" over them. Since all Misplaced Pages content is "free as in freedom" you and anyone else can copy it put it up elsewhere and do whatever with the copies, as long as you credit the original creators.

c) Why would they get adminship removed if they haven't misused it?

d) They probably ought to stay away from US politics content yes, being rather WP:INVOLVED. Also realistically the POTUS is not going to have ample free time to devote to Misplaced Pages contributing, or to be inclined to devote what little precious free time they get to, doing more work.

e) Have a look at WP:List of Wikipedians with articles. --Slowking Man (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Wiki page written by subject or friend of subject?

Hello, I saw a page on Misplaced Pages that looks like it was, based on the way it's presented, mostly written by the person who is the subject of the page, or a close friend. What is the standard flag or way to raise this on the page's talk page? Thank you for your help. FireBatV (talk) 08:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @FireBatV! Welcome to the Teahouse. The standard way is to tag the article with the Template:COI on the main article page. Alternatively, you can use Twinkle to tag it as well. TNM101 (chat) 12:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the help! I've added the {{Template:COI}} to the page in question (Rhett Ayers Butler) and as per the instructions on the template page I am have also added{{Connected contributor}} to the talk page, so editors can take it from there. Thank you again for the help and the friendly welcome, my issue has been resolved. FireBatV (talk) 21:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

No problem! Feel free to reach out if you need any more help TNM101 (chat) 06:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Editing the Misplaced Pages page of "The crown"

i want to edit the Misplaced Pages page of "the crown" on netflix why i wont add the seventh season of "the crown" if you cant tell the staff at netflix please add aditional information like the royal wedding of prince william and kate Middleton and the queen involvement in the 2012 summer olympics in london england alongside James bond!!! 89.128.137.159 (talk) 14:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello IP Editor: there was no 7th season of The Crown, so your additions were inappropriate and were removed. Please don't add fake information to Misplaced Pages. qcne (talk) 14:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

False information is vandalism, which if continued can lead to your IP address being blocked and any account your subsequently register being blocked. David notMD (talk) 15:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Look for verified information about future seasons. This isn't forums and speculations. Cwater1 (talk) 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

The show button doesn't work on phone

Hi. Some articles have this dialouge box on top of them. But when we touch the show button on phone (Chrome for Android for me), nothing happens. I don't know about desktop. Aminabzz (talk) 15:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

What is an example of such an article? What happens when you use the Misplaced Pages app? Does it work then? ~Anachronist (talk) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Aminabzz, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I agree. If I look at Amathus, I get that box (from template {{expand language}}) at the top, but on a browser on my Android phone, when I pick "Show" it replaces the word "Show" with "Hide", but doesn't expand the box, so I can't see additional information.

However, the box has a "Learn more" button, and if I pick that it shows me a little more, but not the full information that I see on my browser on a computer.

This looks like a bug in the user interface: WP:VPT is a better place to ask/report such things than here, and I suggest you post there. Thank you for pointing it out. ColinFine (talk) 18:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I note that I cannot find any of these problems when I use the Misplaced Pages app. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

How to find the full form of abbreviations on phone?

Hi. On Misplaced Pages, some abbreviation words have dotline underlines. When we hover the mouse cursor on them on PC we can see the full form. For example, TBA reveals to be "to be announced".

But on mobile phones (Chrome for Android for me) there is no mouse so that we hover the cursor on them! So how can we find the full form of abbreviations on these dotline-underlined words in cellphones? Holding the word doesn't work.

Look at this for seeing the dotlines. Aminabzz (talk) 15:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

That's one of the limitations of using a smartphone as a browser. There is no notion of "hover". I have seen hovering implemented in some Samsung phones, in which holding your finger near to the screen without touching it is sensed as a hover, but this worked only in certain apps and wasn't a universal experience across all apps on the phone. Unless someone has a better answer, I'd say that features reliant on hovering are generally not accessible on smartphones. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Samsung devices with S Pen support actually support "hover" by well, hovering the S Pen close to the display. The display has an "active digitizer" that can sense the Pen with NFC. Shows a little cursor and pops up stuff and you can hit the Pen's button to do things, very neat actually. ...Buuuut still doesn't work for the abbr stuff in browsers because it's handled differently in the system software (as it's not "really a mouse", it's handled by different code) and so doesn't "pass through" a mouse hover event down to the browser software. Shucks. --Slowking Man (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh yeah this is a known problem for years. Abbr and friends use the standard HTML tags for such things, and browsers don't gaf apparently about making them "work" when there's no pointing device (mouse), and the attitude appears to be ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. WP could implement some sort of JavaScript "workaround" that pops up a thing, but, that requires deploying something "globally" site-wide and that is a Big Deal so it needs Official approval: ask around at WP:VPT whether there's any effort in this direction. (FYI templates can't have JavaScript, it needs to be JS to "dynamically" add new page elements and display them)

In the meantime the "workaround" is to hit edit and look at the wikitext. Or you could also view the page HTML source and use the browser's "find" to go to the abbreviation which will show its definition. Also also there might be some userscript someone has made to make it pop up, which you can "install" to use while logged-in. (You could also always plug in a mouse/trackpad/etc or connect a wireless one ) --Slowking Man (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Aminabzz, Anachronist, and Slowking Man: I couldn't find any such script, so I made it. JJP_Master (she/they) 05:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Is this something that needs to be deployed in the Misplaced Pages software, or is it something that a user can add to vector.js? ~Anachronist (talk) 15:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Anachronist: The latter. JJP_Master (she/they) 17:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Aminabzz: Well, JJP has a solution for you, but it requires that you be logged into Misplaced Pages to take advantage of it. Me, I use the Misplaced Pages app for reading Misplaced Pages on my phone, and I never encountered a "hover" situation in that app. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

GA Spotcheck

Apparently I might've misunderstood what is needed for a source spotcheck in a good article review. Could someone please explain what is needed? History6042😊 (Contact me) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Appears that at Misplaced Pages talk:Good article nominations, date 1/1/25, there has been a question raised about GA nomination reviews conducted by History60432. David notMD (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that is why I am asking. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@History6042, note 2 on the Misplaced Pages:Good article criteria page explains source checking. If you're concerned that your interpretation isn't in line with the community's, you might find it helpful to discuss with other editors involved with the good article process at Misplaced Pages talk:Good article nominations. Schazjmd (talk) 17:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

So it means Verifiable with no original research:

it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;

reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);

it contains no original research; and

it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism? History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

The note says "Ideally, a reviewer will have access to all of the source material, and sufficient expertise to verify that the article reflects the content of the sources; this ideal is not often attained. At a minimum, check that the sources used are reliable (for example, blogs are not usually reliable sources) and that those you can access support the content of the article (for example, inline citations lead to sources that agree with what the article says) and are not plagiarized (for example, close paraphrasing of source material should only be used where appropriate, with in-text attribution if necessary)." Schazjmd (talk) 20:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay I think i did that but do I just need to like write it down? History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Saying in your review what you checked is helpful. Perhaps read through this discussion on spot checks. You might also find it useful to read through some GA reviews by experienced reviewers, see what they're doing in their written reviews that you can learn from. Schazjmd (talk) 21:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Creating an article heavily lacking sources :/

I've been working on trying create an article (Draft:Millennium Force's effects) but I've run into some issues; including after initial submission. The only sources I can find are mainly from various YouTube videos (not tied to the subject) and very few separate links; so it's no wonder why it wasn't accepted.

So I know what I've written down is true, but I don't have the secondary sources to prove it and that makes my info Original Research. What can I do? I was told I could try another Wiki (ex: Amusement Park Wiki) but is there anything I can do to keep it on Misplaced Pages? Thanks! Therguy10 (talk) 16:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Therguy10 Welcome to theTeahouse. I'm afraid not. Reliable sources are fundamental to Misplaced Pages articles. See WP:42. Shantavira| 18:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Therguy10. I agree with Shantavira. Please see also No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Shantavira @ColinFine Thank you both! I do believe that the article has potential in the future, but I also understand it isn't notable enough as of now. With the article being a history of a subject, there is older information that I fear may not be written about. My hope is that the new changes made this year were important enough to spark some kind of interest for a source; I'll have to wait and see. Therguy10 (talk) 18:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

well i guess technically the changes were made last year...lol Therguy10 (talk) 18:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

If you can find reliable sources, why not improve the Ride experience section of Millennium Force? Schazjmd (talk) 18:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

That was a strong consideration of mine. I certainly won't be able to fit everything inside of the main article but it might not hurt to add a little more than what I already have there. Once again my biggest issue would be collecting sources; this seems more doable. Thanks! Therguy10 (talk) 18:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Therguy10 Draft:Millennium Force's effects is not really notable and an entertainment topic, so please post it at fandom. Ned1a Wanna talk? 02:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

How do i delete a Wikepedia page?

a school has a wikepedia page, (carlisle public schools) i have moved the page to inside the town page (carlisle masssachusetts) so how do i delete the old school page? it is useless (i moveed the page because it contains about only 1 paragraph, so why not make it a section) so yeah, if someone knows how to delete a page, please delete Carlisle Public Schools

how to find page - go to the education part of carlisle, massachusetts, press carlisle public schools, and you will be there. Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 19:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Carlisle Public Schools is an article. If you believe it should be deleted, the process is to nominate it for deletion via the WP:AFD process. What you added to Carlisle, Massachusetts was rightfully deleted because you did not include any references. See Maynard, Massachusetts for an example of a referenced education section. I was going to point you to Acton or Sudbury, but those have unreferenced content. There is also Concord-Carlisle High School, but that has its own problems. David notMD (talk) 20:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay, Thanks! Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 20:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Theawezomefriend12: I'm going to offer some slightly different advice. For a small article in this situation: First copy the relevant text to the target article (the article about the town). If there are no references then be sure to add one or some. See WP:CWW for the correct process, if you are moving any text. Once that has been successfully done, turn the former article (the school district) into a redirect to the town as you did previously. There is no need to actually delete anything: redirects are useful for people trying to find things, such as information about Carlisle Public Schools, and can be safely left behind. -- zzuuzz 21:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, i will remove the deletion (i dont know if thats possible i am new) and make the page redierect to Carlisle, Massachusetts. Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 21:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Theawezomefriend12: I've helped a bit with the deletion part. The best way to learn is to just do things, so I'll leave you to continue the process (and will probably pop back in a bit). I'll just mention that it appears that the only reason your previous attempt was reverted was because you didn't include any references for the content you were adding/moving to the town article. Sufficient references probably exist in the district article so they can just be copied. If not, I'm sure they won't be difficult to find. -- zzuuzz 21:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

oh ok, i am propably going to be moving the main description and the new gallery part i added, i probably will not be added refrences and external links. Theawezomefriend12 (talk) 21:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi! PARIS

Good morning, good afternoon or good evening. Happy new year 2025. Please how to move to the main space the Draft:Hi! PARIS. This research center in AI is now one of the most important in France : https://www.lesechos.fr/tech-medias/intelligence-artificielle/une-dotation-de-70-millions-pour-la-formation-de-lelite-de-lia-en-france-2096150 and https://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-hec-et-l-institut-polytechnique-remportent-l-appel-a-projets-cluster-ia-93818.html. Many thanks in advance for your help. Have a great day. 2A01:CB00:B48:9900:1C67:231F:4C2F:9933 (talk) 21:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

On the AoPS Wiki go to special:move. I don't know bout wikipedia tho 73.31.42.97 (talk) 22:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry its Special:MovePage 73.31.42.97 (talk) 22:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Bonsoir, IP user.

73. is right that the technique for moving pages is to use the Move function (though most people do it from their user-interface, rather than going to Special:MovePage.

However, not logged in users do not have access to that function.

I was going to advise you to submit it for review. However, I see that the draft was created in mainspace user BobVillars (since blocked for sockpuppetry) was then moved to Draft space by @Rosguill, was submitted for review by an ipV6 user in the same range as you, then moved to main space again by McSyl, also blocked as a sockpuppet of BobVillars, and moved back to draft space again by @Janhrach.

Neither you nor anybody else has since made any substantial edits to the draft.

I am finding it very difficult to assume good faith. I will ask you directly: are you BobVillars/McSyl? If so, you are evading your block, which is not permitted. ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Colin. Thanks for your answer. I don’t know what you are talking about. I am using 5G access so my Ip range is used by million of users. But if it is too complicated no worries, please cancel my request. This AI cluster is one of the most important in France and one of the biggest in Europe. So soon or later it will be back to mainspace. Have a great day. 2A01:CB06:B064:82B5:2C9D:5034:3AC5:1BD4 (talk) 06:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

AoPS page

Why isn't there a page for Art of Problem Solving? 73.31.42.97 (talk) 22:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi IP 73.31.42.97. There could be a couple reasons why: (1) nobody thought enough about the book/series to try and create one; or (2) somebody did try to create one, but the subject wasn't deemed to meet Misplaced Pages:Notability (books) and was either deleted altogether or added to Richard Rusczyk. Art of Problem Solving current WP:REDIRECTs to the "Rusczyk" article and its page history shows that there once was a stand-alone article about the book/series, but it was "redirected" per Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Art of Problem Solving (2nd nomination). If you feel something has changed since then, you might want to first explain why to the administrator who closed the Articles for Deletion discussion. That administrator's name is Liz. Perhaps by asking at User talk:Liz, Liz can tell you what is needed for the article to be recreated or restored. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Where is Misplaced Pages year in review for iOS?

I am looking for Misplaced Pages year in review in iOS where is it? 172.59.25.192 (talk) 22:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user. This isn't something I'm familiar with, but a Google search yields this link which I hope gives you what you seek: https://www.mediawiki.org/New_Engagement_Experiments/PES_1.3.1:_Wikipedia_insights. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

How to find vandalism on Misplaced Pages?

The closest thing I have found to vandalism is on the page for the number 3, where someone changed references to “3” with “2.” I’m wondering how to find vandalism, so I can revert it. Most of my edits are fixing grammar. Thank you. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 00:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Heyaaaaalol Welcome to the Teahouse. If you'd care to read WP:VANDALISM, and especially the section linked from this shortcut: (WP:SPOTVAN), you should have all the answers you need. Monitoring 'Recent Changes' is the best way to spot ongoing vandalism, and you can choose to select only certain types of edits which highlight the most likely problematic edits for you to assess and respond to, and ignore all the honest ones. Thank you for your interest in helping out in this field. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Go to the “recent changes” link and there are filter options you can select. What you’ll want to do is choose “likely bad faith”, “very likely bad faith”, and “latest revision”. Then save that filter as your default. Grimaceshakeohio (talk) 04:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

"Series of small edits"

I find it difficult to follow and review edits for valid constructive contributions when an editor makes a "series of small edits" (example: 1, 2, 3) where several of the edits could, IMHO, easily and conceivably be made in a single edit with a single edit summary encompassing all of what is edited. Is there policy or guidelines about this practice that could help me in a talk page discussion I am currently engaged in? Iljhgtn (talk) 00:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Well, there's WP:Cautious, which touches on not making too large edits. There is probably better material than this, but I can't find it.

The point has been discussed on the Help/Teahouse desks before, and various editors have said that more smaller edits are better than one all-encompassing one, because if only one or two of several small edits are objected to, they can be reverted individually, but if they're part of a larger edit the whole thing has to be reverted and then it becomes difficult to sort out which details are accepted and which disputed.

I myself, when reading an article for its content, sometimes make small edits as I go along on noticing typos, misspellings, incorrect grammar, etc. If I were to be deliberately setting out to copyedit the article (I used to be a professional editor) I would likely make them in larger batches, perhaps one per Section or Subsection (basically, as often as is present in the text), because that makes for a smaller and easier chunk (with all its confusing reference codings) to navigate in the edit box.

In general, I don't think an editor making good-faith edits need think primarily of the convenience of some hypothetical would-be reverter, and I wouldn't criticise anyone for making successive small edits. Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.84.253 (talk) 02:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Small or a series isn't the issue really. It is that several of the edits could fall under a single edit summary, and therefore could be made as one. I am curious about this comment though, "Were the edits to smell of some deliberate obfustication as a cover for vandalism, or edit-count inflation, it would be another matter", because that is kind of what I think is the heart of the matter. How can you differentiate between the two if we are not allowed to scrutinize editing behavior which is a mix perhaps of both lots of small, with some more impactful edits laced in there? Iljhgtn (talk) 14:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

The key being the "lots of small" could just as easily be one edit under one edit summary, and then more larger or more substantive edits separately under another. If the "lots of small edits" are all broken into separate edits, for me at least, it makes it harder to check on someone's editing in the first place to determine IF there is in fact a case of real vandalism, deliberate edit-count inflation, or some other intended obfuscation. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

You can differentiate because if it is a cover for vandalism, you can point out the vandalism. Edit-count inflation these days is mostly people trying to game their way to extended confirmed status - the edits you point out here are from an editor who already has that status. There's no policy against editing this way - this editor isn't doing anything wrong.

If you want to examine a set of contiguous edits at once, you can get a multi-edit diff by using the radio buttons on the history page of the article in question. MrOllie (talk) 14:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Understood, and no accusation of vandalism has been levied, but if several edits could be made under a single edit summary, is there any policy that they should be? That is really the essence of my question. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

There is not. Schazjmd (talk) 14:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you for answering my question then. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

How isn't that benign? Is there an issue with the individual edits? My editing tends to match my own writing (on non-Misplaced Pages, Word, etc.): dump a bunch of text, and make then increasingly granular refining edits. -- Very Polite Person (talk) 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Political Party Relations

Just like how we have Category:Sign language family tree templates, should we have that for political parties kind of like below but for whole countries? These would be based on the infobox political party preceded by/succeeded by/merger of/merged into. If so would these be their own article or would they be in the many "List of political parties in ___"? I am curious and want to know if these are wanted/needed.

SPD

Spartacus League

KPD

SED

PDS

WASG

Die Linke

BSW

History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi History6042, that's an interesting idea, you might want to pitch this at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Politics. Justiyaya 03:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do that, thanks. History6042😊 (Contact me) 03:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Freedom of Panorama Inquiries

This is regarding the article Liliget Feast House. The site where the restaurant once stood was torn down 2008, and I wanted to inquire regarding the best way to navigate Fair Use and Freedom of Panorama rules on Misplaced Pages in order to get photographs of the site on the page. This is probably best asked on Commons, but I'm not familiar with where I might be able to ask on there either. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Ornithoptera. I think you can take a picture of the where the restaurant once stood and upload it here, which should be fine under Freedom of panorama#Canada which also allows incidental inclusion of copyrighted, non-architectural work (also commons:COM:FOP Canada). You would still be able to release a photograph that you took of publicly viewable buildings under a free license.

If you are asking about whether an inclusion of a non free file is allowed, I'm not sure but I think that it meets all the criteria seeing that the building was demolished and if a suitable free photo cannot be located. Justiyaya 05:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Justiyaya, thank you so much for your time! Truthfully I'm uncertain about using a photograph of where the restaurant once stood because it would be irrelevant to the content of the article (or at least for the intended use within the infobox). I am more asking about if I am able to use a non free file, yes, is there a venue where I can have a conversation with individuals who are more familiar with the matter? I'm not entirely sure if there is a relevant noticeboard/talk page/etc where I can bring this matter up with, if you or one of the editors here know one do let me know! Ornithoptera (talk) 05:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ornithoptera I think it would be a good use of an non-free file. Misplaced Pages:Media copyright questions would be a relevant noticeboard for asking these types of questions. Commons won't be the place to go because they don't deal with non-free stuff. Hope this helps and happy editing! :D Justiyaya 06:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Wonderful! Thank you so much for the assistance Justiyaya, didn't know there was a place like that! I'll go and send them a message hopefully within the week, I hope you have a wonderful day! Ornithoptera (talk) 07:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Why am I blocked from doing stuff on Russian Misplaced Pages?

According to my global account information I've been indefinitely blocked from doing anything other than viewing the Russian Misplaced Pages because I'm "using multiple accounts or having others promote me (so what I say is seen more correct)", but I'm not? I don't know anyone else with a Misplaced Pages account and as far as I know I only have one. It's just on the Russian Misplaced Pages, none of the others. I haven't really done anything on the Russian Misplaced Pages anyways. I've only edited my own user page. Why did this happen and how do I fix it?

More information: The exact stated reason was обход блокировки (bypass blocking) and it linked here. It also gave me a link to here. Красный Октябрь (talk) 04:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Красный Октябрь, welcome to the teahouse. English and Russian Misplaced Pages are moderated differently, so a block there should not affect editing here nor could the community here fix anything there. From what I've been able to see with google translate and all, it appears that you've been checkuser blocked by @Q-bit array without email or talk page access. The administrator appears to monitor cross wiki notifications so hopefully they would respond here. They also appear to monitor meta:User talk:Q-bit array. Usually appeals without talk page access go through WP:UTRS but I can't seem to find a similar system in ru-wiki. Justiyaya 05:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Красный Октябрь, the English Misplaced Pages and the Russian Misplaced Pages are entirely separate projects. Each has its own policies and guidelines, and its own separate teams of administrators. Here at the Teahouse, we can do our best to help you with problems you may have on the English Misplaced Pages. But we have no knowledge, power nor influence over the Russian Misplaced Pages, which is an autonomous project. Cullen328 (talk) 08:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you know where I can go on the Russian Misplaced Pages to get it fixed? Красный Октябрь (talk) 14:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello again, @Красный Октябрь I think the relevant section is ru:ВП:РАЗБЛОК. ColinFine (talk) 15:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I went through the whole section you linked and it gives me instructions to request an unblock but I can't because I can't access my talk page or edit my user page. I can't find other ways to contact the person who blocked me as well. Красный Октябрь (talk) 16:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

If there is no off-wiki means of contacting Russian Misplaced Pages administrators, I think you will need to contact a steward(https://meta.wikimedia.org/Stewards) who may at least be able to advise you better than we can. 331dot (talk) 16:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Красный Октябрь (talk) 17:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I messaged one of the stewards here. Thank you for helping me find where to ask! Красный Октябрь (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Responding to the "why did this happen" aspect, the most likely explanation is that your IP at the time you edited your userpage is similar to or within a range used by someone evading blocks on ru.wiki around the same time. Either that, or a more random human error on the blocking admin's part. _signed, Rosguill 16:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Notice of geological updates

Hi, in the past few months, I was working on pages regarding the periods, ages and other units of the geological timescale, and noticed a recent update in the ICC Chronostratigraphic Chart (2024/12), compared to the previous version (2023/09), that affects the time boundaries of a lot of ages. I didn't know which talk page or portal I could specifically notify of this change, so I came here to speak about it.

Now, I don't want to linger on a change like this here, since that feels like advertising which I KNOW Misplaced Pages is not about (see WP:SOAPBOX). But I know a change like this is going to require a lot of edits to catch up with, and I for sure can't do it alone. So does anyone know a good project/portal page I can discuss this more on? — Alex26337 (talk) 05:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Alex26337, thank you for your question. Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Geology would be the best venue to discuss this. I don't think this is soapbox like if you are advertising on-Wiki collaboration. The policy refers to more so advertising on Wiki things off-wiki. Discussions with other community members that share the same interest is what these Wikiprojects are for :D Justiyaya 05:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Request to Update Image

I noticed that the current image used at Dadvan Yousuf is from 2021, but there are more recent images from 2024 available on Wikimedia Commons.

I kindly request an extended-confirmed user to review and consider updating the image to "Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg", Image is from recent - i dont recommend the images with the bitcoin flag.

Thanks.. Ayohama (talk) 07:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Ayohama, welcome to the teahouse! Although the image File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg is more recent, I don't think it provides the same quality and clarity as the image currently in the article. I don't think this change should be made. Justiyaya 07:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the solid feedback! fully understood Ayohama (talk) 07:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ayohama: I'd hold off in trying to use File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg or any of the other images of Yousuf uploaded to Commons by Lonely34 until the claims of "own work" can be verified by c:COM:VRT. All the images that were uploaded by Lonely34 can be found being used online on sites like X, Facebook, Instagram, etc, from May 2024 onward prior to their being uploaded to Commons, some even with watermarks. This doesn't necessarily mean they weren't taken by Lonely34, but the general licensing of those sites is too restrictive for Commons per c:COM:L and in such cases copyright holder consent needs to be verified. If the licensing of any or all of those images ends up being verified, you can add them to the body of the Misplaced Pages article about Yousuf if you want but probably should propose changing the infobox image on the article's talk page to see what others think. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Ayohama, even if the issues that Marchjuly describes can be ironed out, I would oppose the use of the image that you are proposing for the infobox. That is a mountaineering summit style photo, and this person is not a notable mountaineer even if he paid a lot of money to climb the standard tourist route on Mount Everest with the help of Sherpa guides. He is a cryptocurrency investor not a serious mountaineer and it is not appropriate to portray business people with golf clubs or tennis rackets in their hands. Or flags on mountain tops. This is not 1952 and rich people climbing Everest is not a notable accomplishment these days. Cullen328 (talk) 08:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

One of the references used to verify the claim about him climbing Everest says (in English translation) I had never climbed a mountain before, Everest was my first. This is not indicative of a serious mountaineer but rather a rich person willing and able to pay actual Sherpa mountaineers to help him get to the top for publicity purposes. Cullen328 (talk) 09:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Although it doesnt seem to be that easy for me to climb everest as it seems for you. I think its still very dangerous and a notable achievement Ayohama (talk) 09:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Agree with you Ayohama (talk) 09:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the hint, i thought the Metadata is correct Ayohama (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ayohama: The uploader or someone else has emailed Commons VRT regarding these files and is currently being processed by VRT. Assuming things check out, the c:Template:Permission received added to each file's page will be changed to c:Template:PermissionTicket by the VRT member reviewing the email. Once this happens, the files will be fine from a copyright standpoint; so, in principle, they're OK to be used. From an encyclopedic standpoint, though, things might still need to be sorted out on the article's talk page, particularly if others feel (like expressed above) that they shouldn't be used in the main infobox. One representative image in the body of the article should, however, be OK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Was thinking after our conversations, the infobox is not the right place there. MAYBE at Personal life, where context is about Everest is fine. Max Ayohama (talk) 10:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

According to List of Mount Everest summiters by frequency, more than 6,000 people have summited Everest (as of 2022), so agree that if any placement at all, then at Personal life. David notMD (talk) 11:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

And the record for a non-Sherpa (actually an Englishman) is 18 (exceeded by 9 individual Sherpas). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.84.253 (talk) 05:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Lonely34 claims of "own work" are now verified by c:COM:VRT. If you want, you can go ahead and place the File:Dadvan Yousuf with Kurdistan Flag.jpg under "Personal Life". I guess the article itself is interesting to work on in the future- the tone is sometimes too promotional and the text layout weird- Reads like a chronology rather then a WP Article. Ayohama (talk) 13:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Help with improving references and notability for Eugene Vollmer draft

Hello! I submitted a draft for Eugene Vollmer but it was declined because the references didn't show significant coverage. Could anyone assist me in finding reliable sources or improving my draft to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines? I appreciate any guidance! Sammy Tremlinn (talk) 08:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Sammy Tremlinn, your draft fails to make the case that Vollmer is a truly notable athlete, although it seems that he was once highly ranked in an amateur track and field event in a country of less than a million residents. At first glance, that does not seem to be a plausible claim of notability to me. But I could be wrong. In the end, it is all about whether or not multiple indisputably reliable sources independent of Vollmer have devoted significant coverage to him. Your current sources are not independent of Vollmer and therefore do not meet that threshold. Cullen328 (talk) 09:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback, Cullen328. I understand the importance of independent and significant coverage for establishing notability. I will work on finding additional sources that meet these criteria and provide substantial information about Eugene Vollmer's achievements. If you have any suggestions for where I might look or types of sources to prioritize, I’d greatly appreciate it! Sammy Tremlinn (talk) 10:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

List of newspapers in Fiji might be a starting point: many of those entities are likely to be Reliable sources. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.84.253 (talk) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

New page

Hello, I was thinking of making a new page about the New Zealand retail company PB Technologies, but I think I'll be going in too far over my head if I start it myself, so I was wondering where I could propose the Idea so that I could join forces with a more experienced Wikipedian to make the page a reality. Sup3rG33k08 (talk) 08:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello. You can go to Requested articles, but it is backlogged to the point of uselessness, any request you make there will likely not be acted on for some time, if ever. You are wise to be cautious in attempting to create a new article, but if you want to see one created, it likely won't happen unless you do it yourself. You can use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft for review by more experienced editors. You would first need to gather independent reliable sources to summarize in an article, and review the definition of a notable business to see if this business meets it(most do not).

If you are associated with this business, that needs to be disclosed, see WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles about companies need to comply with WP:NCORP and call for attention to being neutral point of view, not in any way promotional. Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to be coauthors. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Adding unnumbered tracks to an upcoming album

Hello,

This artist has been teasing some track titles (and snippets) from their upcoming album, So Close To What. Some titles are speculated, some were directly teased and are confirmed. How would I go about adding those tracks, assuming I don't know their numbers? The album has a Spotify countdown page, so the two pre-released singles have already been added in track list format. Lashyurn (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Lashyurn, I read that this album "scheduled to be released on February 21, 2025". I suggest that you simply wait until February 21, 2025. -- Hoary (talk) 12:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh, that's fine. I was just following what I saw was done with SZA's LANA 10 days prior to its release. Thank you! :) Lashyurn (talk) 12:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Lashyurn, in that article, there were reliable sources that reported on the teasers for the singles. If that is the case for this album, I think a mention in the Promotion section could be nice. Things that are not being reported on by reliable, independent sources or are pure speculation are usually not included here, especially if they are self published or original research. Feel free to drop sources here for us to take a look :D Justiyaya 12:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

These are my sources (and titles):

"Dear god" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok

"Revolving door" - Played at listening party and posted snippets on TikTok

"Moments" - Title posted on her management's Instagram as a collaboration with Spotify on December 13, 2024

"Greenlight" - Played at listening party and title shown in album trailer

"Star child" - Title shown at the beginning of the "It's ok I'm ok" music video

Would these sources be considered reliable? I have links/pictures/videos to each of those Lashyurn (talk) 13:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Unfortunately none of those are secondary sources, @Lashyurn. What we're looking for is mainstream music journalists who are reporting on the album. qcne (talk) 17:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh, I thought I could take them from the artist themselves. Thank you! I'll wait until release. Lashyurn (talk) 18:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

No, sources from the person that the article is about are considered primary sources. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 22:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I suggest to wait till release too Ayohama (talk) 13:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

English Version of the German Article Judith Kakon

Hello there, I just want to create the same article in english, I already created this article in german, all I want is to have a translated version. Could you please help me? My request was already denied twice. This is the german article: Judith Kakon. Avaa Malula (talk) 14:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Avaa Malula It appears as if German Misplaced Pages has the same concerns as English Misplaced Pages; that the article does not sufficiently prove its subject's notability. Please read WP:YFA and WP:42. CommissarDoggo 14:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Judith Kakon has no references. The content that is now under a description of her approach to art (my wording) comes across as either your or her description. All of this should be deleted unless it can be referenced to published descriptions of her and her work. David notMD (talk) 14:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Avaa Malula

It’s great that you’re interested in contributing to the English Misplaced Pages by translating an article. However, there are a few things to consider to ensure the article meets the standards required on the English Misplaced Pages:

1. Improving the Original Article: The German article you created currently has notices indicating issues with missing citations and important information about the subject’s works. These issues suggest that the article may not yet meet Misplaced Pages's notability and verifiability standards. Before translating the article, it’s a good idea to improve it by:

- Adding reliable and independent sources that demonstrate Judith Kakon's notability.

- Including details about her important works or achievements.

2. Meeting English Misplaced Pages Standards: The English Misplaced Pages has specific requirements for biographies. It’s important to:

- Demonstrate notability according to the General Notability Guideline (WP:GNG).

- Provide inline citations from reliable sources to back up claims.

- Write in a neutral tone without promotional language.

3. Translation Guidelines: When translating articles, you must include a note on the article’s talk page to credit the original German version. See the Misplaced Pages:Translation guidelines for details on how to do this properly.

4. Steps to Resubmit: Once you’ve improved the content and addressed the above points:

- Draft the translated article in your sandbox.

- Add sources that meet English Misplaced Pages’s standards.

- Submit it for review through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process.

If you need help improving the article or drafting it in English, feel free to ask here. Ayohama (talk) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Last aired date in the future

This article revison SAS: Rogue Heroes revison of 02:04, 2 January 2025 has a last aired date for series 2 which is in the future. What is probably meant is that the last episode is scheduled for broadcast on that date, but as it was worded it is factually incorrect. I've seen this on other such articles in the past. Has there been any discussions about wether this is acceptible or not? If so, can you direct me to any official decisions? Dubidub (talk) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

See WP:FUTURE - Specifically, see the section NOTCRYSTALBALL, which states that Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball. Articles should not speculate on future events unless they are verifiable and sourced. The correct phrasing should reflect that the episode is "scheduled to air" on that date to maintain accuracy and neutrality. Ayohama (talk) 07:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

How do I clean up formatting of tables?

On the Columbia University article, the Rankings section has quite poor formatting; the ranking tables are being displayed fully below the Library and Barnard images on the right side. How would I go about cleaning up table formatting in wikitext to remove the large blank gap? Doawk7 (talk) 21:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I solved it by removing those images:) DMacks (talk) 07:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

How to ask ArbCom to lower protection status on Armenia-Azerbaijan

I was going to submit an ArbCom request to lower protection of Armenia-Azerbaijan due to the conflict cooling and amends being made, however I changed my mind and decided to ask here first. How would I get the Arbitration Committee or whoever imposed the sanction on Ar-Az to hear on the matter? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 00:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• That's not an ArbCom matter; you can ask for that at Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection, SimpleSubCubicGraph. Are you asking about Nagorno-Karabakh conflict? You can edit that--after you've made a few more article edits. Drmies (talk) 01:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
  • @Drmies I mean the consensus to make everything Armenia and Azerbaijan, even if its a tragic plane crash extended confirmed protected. I feel like it should be knocked down due to calming geopolitical tensions in the Caucasus. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Also I have 251 edits, that is nowhere near 500. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
      • In that case, SimpleSubCubicGraph, you're talking about Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 and you'd have to appeal that. I just looked over the page and I have no idea how to do that--and I used to be on ArbCom. Read over Misplaced Pages:Contentious topics, and good luck! Drmies (talk) 17:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Referencing an article on Misplaced Pages

I am reviewing an article and came across a source that cited another article from Misplaced Pages. This is the first time I have seen this. This isn’t acceptable is it? BigChrisKenney (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @BigChrisKenney. You are correct. Sources that lead to Misplaced Pages or any Wikimedia project are unreliable. See WP:CIRCULAR. Tarlby 01:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Tarlby for the speedy reply and the direction to the exact policy! BigChrisKenney (talk) 01:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

You can jsut delete the ref to a Misplaced Pages article, but a better practice would be to look within that Misplaced Pages article to find a ref (refs) that support the content, and then copy those refs to the article you have concerns about. If you do this, in your Edit summary consider stating that you copied content from - naming the source article. Misplaced Pages does allow copying content and refs from Misplaced Pages articles with attribution. David notMD (talk) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Writer or Screenwriter?

Quick question: creating a stub-starter on Donald Ross: who was a television screenwriter, celebrity game show panelist (with his wife Patti Deutsch) and producer. Since there are other Donald Ross articles, would you accompanying his name with (writer) or (screenwriter) for the published article? He has no distinguishing middle name / initial. Deutsch's article refers to him as "comedy screenwriter and playwright", but Ross never wrote any plays. TIA. Maineartists (talk) 02:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Maineartists, "Donald Ross (writer)" seems OK to me. -- Hoary (talk) 03:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(writer) seems OK to me too Ayohama (talk) 07:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Great. Thanks all. Maineartists (talk) 13:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

What is the opinion on wikipedia writing services?

How would I detect if an article has been secretly written and paid for? There are services that you can reach just by searching on google and I would like to know if there are any ways to detect them or do something about them. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello! If there is an editor who might be paid and performing edits, raise the issue at WP:ANI or WP:COIN noticeboards. If there are any private details you have found about the editor or services, please send an email to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org . TNM101 (chat) 05:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, SSCG, did you have any specific articles in mind? I would say that there are heuristics I know of, but there's nothing definitive overall. Heustics I've identified for undisclosed paid/COI include (please do not use any of these to make definitive accusations; these observations are potential starting points, not endpoints):

• The article has an image of an otherwise obscure person which is usually marked as "own work". This image is posed, not candid, indicating that either the subject themself uploaded it or they've given it to somebody else to use as effectively a PR photo on Misplaced Pages. Some subjects presumably will enthusiastically freely license their image even when they have no part in an article because they're just jazzed to have their own article, but what can be really suspect is when the uploader of the image is the same editor who created and/or has heavily edited the article itself.
• The article was already very long, well-formatted, and essentially complete right out of the gate. For new editors, sometimes articles after going through the draft process can come out looking alright, but these edits skip the draft process altogether yet still seem like they've been written out ahead of time off-site. Whereas I take an incremental approach to my writing, experienced editors very often will pre-write everything out in their sandbox and then transfer their work into the article space once they're happy with it, but in my experience, this is highly uncommon for newer editors who organically create articles about subjects they're interested in.
• The article was created or heavily modified by a WP:SPA, which seemingly has not interacted elsewhere on Misplaced Pages.
• The editor tries to wikilink this article absolutely everywhere they possibly can once it's created, presumably for a mix of SEO and for drawing as many eyes to that subject as possible on-wiki.
• The article is mostly primary references, and a lot of it is WP:PUFFERY. For companies, a dead giveaway for something like this is when there's an entire section on some stupid PR BS the company did which is only cited to press releases from that company about what a great thing(TM) they did. Basically, consider WP:DUE.
• The article goes into excruciating depth about a subject (sometimes this is just fans being fans, but for example, there was one some years ago about a Lithuanian(?) alt-rock band whose primary editor I thought to be just an overly enthusiastic fan but who I discovered was secretly the band's manager or something to that effect).
• The 'External links' section contains an inordinate amount of links to social media (this one to me generally indicates that it's autobiographical, whereas I assume you specifically want contracted third parties).
• The editor has a username-violating policy which indicates they're part of the subject organization.
• The subject likely doesn't meet the WP:GNG but has been WP:REFBOMBed to give the appearance that it does.
• The subject is a very niche a) product/service/work, b) company/organization, or c) person. Depending on the nature of the organization (e.g. a club), this may not be "paid" as much as it is WP:COI.
• The subject is not written about in a neutral way. If there is negative coverage of the subject in reliable sources, it is strangely absent.

If you strongly suspect that an editor is engaging in undisclosed paid editing, the boards TNM101 suggests are great resources. I would caution too however that if your suspicion isn't that strong, you can start by just asking them at their talk page. Sometimes they're earnestly trying to improve the encyclopedia about something they're very familiar with because they're a part of it, but they've failed out of ignorance of forgetfulness to disclose that on their user page. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 06:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@TheTechnician27@TNM101 I wasn't talking about COIs or paid editing, I already know and have remembered both WP pages. I was just wondering if Misplaced Pages could take action against those services aka take them to court. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 06:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

That doesn't seem to be within our scope, and I am pretty sure that the Wikimedia Foundation doesn't take legal action against anyone since it's a non-profit. TNM101 (chat) 07:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I can't think of a single viable avenue by which Misplaced Pages could take successful legal action against undisclosed paid editors. If you tried to bring a civil suit, you'd be trying to prove what's called a tort. The WMF would have to prove that 1) the editor had a legal duty to act in a certain way (they didn't; nothing legally says you have to identify an employer when you contribute to a website); 2) that the defendent breached this duty (i.e. if you could somehow prove 1 (not possible), then you would still need to prove in court that your suspicions are more probable than not); and 3) that the WMF suffered injury or loss as a result of this undisclosed paid editing (short of some absolutely enormous conspiracy that blows up and damages the WMF's reputation, this is functionally impossible, because the reality is that any loss is negligible at best). TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 07:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Deep thanks to User:TheTechnician27 for putting all these undeclared paid flags in one place. If this is not already the subject of an essay, it should be. I do see that Misplaced Pages:Identifying PR is an existing essay flagging behavior that draws content from press releases. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much for all the responses, is there anyway I can see of all the times when paid editors or undisclosed COIs were caught in the act? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Improving a page through including my own research

The 'icing the kicker' page can benefit from the following recent addition in regards to the effectiveness of this practice:

"Most recently and extensively, Professor Nadav Goldschmied and Tyler Ratkovich from the University of San Diego and Mike Raphaeli from Nanning Vocational and Technical University (China) found that in 25 NFL seasons (1999-2024) the success for "pressure kicks" (two minutes or less to the end of the game when -3, −2, −1, tied or in overtime) when iced was 74.1% as opposed to 79.8% otherwise which represented a significant decline in performance.

Goldschmied, N., Ratkovich, T*., & Raphaeli, M. (2024) NFL field goal kicking under pressure: An expanded replication of icing the kicker strategy. Journal of Applied Sport Psychology.

Thanks,

Nadav Goldschmied

Ngoldschmied11 (talk) 05:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

The place to suggest this, Ngoldschmied11, is Talk:Icing the kicker. (Better, I think: "A study found that in 25 NFL seasons..." Interested readers will identify the authors from the reference.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Fine by me! so do I add the modification or is it done by another editor since it is my work?

Thanks,

Nadav Ngoldschmied11 (talk) 06:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ngoldschmied11 pretty sure this falls under WP:No original research SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 07:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

SimpleSubCubicGraph Not quite. If the observations on kicking success/failure were unpublished, that would be original research. If published in a reliable source, such as a science journal article, OK to use. However, Misplaced Pages advises researchers who are also Misplaced Pages editors to not cite their own work. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Ngoldschmied11: in case it's not clear from the other responses: you are discouraged from citing your own work, as that is regarded as a conflict of interest, but you are welcome to suggest an edit which cites your own work, so that another editor decides what to do with your suggestion. If you use the edit request wizard that will guide you. Please make your suggestion as precise as possible (eg "Inset XXX at the end of the paragraph beginning YYY") ColinFine (talk) 13:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Shortened forms list

Hello. Is there any place I could get the shortened forms of all Misplaced Pages guidelines and a brief definition (e.g. WP:GNG, WP:NPV)? I usually find it difficult to use the shortened forms when commenting and I just go for the full name. Jõsé 07:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Josedimaria. See WP:WP. Tarlby 07:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey, how about Misplaced Pages:Shortcut index or Misplaced Pages:List of policies and guidelines and might be an idea to work out something for Misplaced Pages:Glossary of shortcuts Ayohama (talk) 07:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Creating a new page

I want to make a new Misplaced Pages page but the name already exists so what should I do Chetan4u1 (talk) 10:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Can you tell us the name of the article so we can better understand the situation? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 10:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Chetan4u1 Welcome to the Teahouse. You don't need to worry about that at this stage. You can create a draft article by following the process at WP:AfC. If and when it is accepted into the encyclopedia (most draft articles are not), the reviewer will attend to the naming, which might require a disambiguation page, but if you haven't written a Misplaced Pages article before you'll have plenty of other hoops to jump through before this becomes an issue. Shantavira| 10:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Chetan4u1 Your attempt to create an article about Isabel Myers who is an actress has been deleted and a redirect created to Isabel Briggs Myers, a different person. To start over, use WP:YFA to create a draft named Isabel Myers (actress). That said, common advice here is to gain experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 12:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks Brother but if I make a draft then how can I change the name of the page if it already exists. Chetan4u1 (talk) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Chetan4u1 If you're working on a draft on an individual who shares their name with someone who already has an existing article, you're supposed to differentiate/distinguish your draft from the existing article. You cannot 'delete' or 'change the name' of an article that has been reviewed and exists. In your case, name your draft Isabel Myers (actress), since the subject of the existing article, Isabel Briggs Myers, is a writer. Dissoxciate (talk) 13:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dissoxciate, I disagree with you. When creating a draft, you may disambiguate the title, but you don't need to, and you certainly aren't "supposed to". New editors probably don't know our disambiguation rules anyway, so I would not encourage them to try.

For your second point, you can move an existing article to a new title, and that sometimes needs to happen when a new article is created about something with the same name. But I agree that if Chean4u1 is asking how to change the name of an existing article in order to hijack it, they shouldn't. ColinFine (talk) 13:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Chetan4u1, and welcome to the Teahouse.

The answer to your specific question is that you change the name of an article or other page by moving it; but I suggest you forget about this for the moment because 1) as a new user you don't have access to that tool yet, and 2) at your present stage it is irrelevant to what you want to do.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

When you are ready to create the draft, you can completely ignore the titles of any existing articles. You will be creating Draft:Isabel Myers (which doesn't exist at present, which is why it is in red). After you have developed an acceptable draft for an article (which is much harder than it looks to new editors, and will almost certainly give you frustration and disappointment if you don't take David's and my advice above), you will submit it for review, and if the reviewer accepts it, they will sort out all the issues about naming it. OK? ColinFine (talk) 13:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks I will try my best. Chetan4u1 (talk) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

adding a clarification in response to a user request

Hello, in doing what described in subject, should one delete the request for clarification, or leave it there? 1808Eolo3 (talk) 10:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@1808Eolo3 Welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean resolving a template (with adequate referencing) then you may remove the template. Shantavira| 10:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

What is sandbox and how should I use it?

How can I use sandbox Juamisi25 (talk) 10:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Juamisi25 Welcome to the Teahouse! All should be explained at this help page: basically your personal sandbox is a place for you to experiment with editing without messing anything up in the main encyclopedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Short and simple: follow this link — you can do whatever with it as long as it's productive Misplaced Pages Stuff, use it to practice edits, put together rough drafts etcetera --Slowking Man (talk) 01:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Error with interlanguage link template

So while editing Guangdong Public Security Department, I added an interlanguage link in the infobox, and for whatever reason in the infobox right after the interlanguage link are two brackets(]]). I entered the interlanguage link properly from both experience and directions, may I ask what I did wrong and how to solve this issue? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 11:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Thehistorianisaac. I think this might have something to do with the syntax of Template:Infobox law enforcement agency. If you look at the syntax for the |Secondary governing body= parameter, it appears things are set up to convert whatever is added for that parameter into a Wikilink. If you remove the {{ill}} template for that parameter, it will format it as a WP:REDLINK. You could try asking about this on the template's talk page or at WP:VPT; however, I don't think you can remove the brackets without removing them from the infobox template's syntax, and doing that would affect other articles where the template is being transcluded. You might be just have to hide the parameter for the time being until a fix can be found or just go with the red link. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok thank you Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Thehistorianisaac:. The documentation for the parameter at Template:Infobox law enforcement agency says "Do not link. The template will link." I looked at the implementation and it doesn't appear possible to add an interlanguage link there. If the link is important then you can add it to the opening paragraph instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

thanks Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Thehistorianisaac: If you really want to include the interlanguage link, you might replace the linked "provincial government" in the second sentence of the article with the ILL you were using in the infobox. Deor (talk) 23:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Can someone help fix Territorial control during the Russo-Ukrainian War

Hello everyone, Can someone help fix Territorial control during the Russo-Ukrainian War. I am on mobile. All the oblast sections are collapsed by default. In mobile every section has collapse option which helps us navigate through the desired sections easily. Similar thing once happened with an article related to some sporting event. It was fixed when the symbols and flags were removed from it. I believe that it the same issue with this article. Too many flags are there. Many of which I believe don't need to be there neccesarily. Can someone help fix it to make it easy for mobile users to navigate. Right now if someone for example needs to see Zaporizhzhia oblast they have to scroll all the way down. Thank you. Shaan Sengupta 12:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Write an Extended Confirmed Protection edit request on the talk page or get to 500 edits manually SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 02:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@SimpleSubCubicGraph FYI, I'm already an EC user. I have over 6775 edits. So I don't need to place an edit request. This is something technical. I appreciate your readiness to help but please understand the problem before giving suggestions. Thank you. Shaan Sengupta 02:58, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Shaan Sengupta Get to $1200 manually SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@SimpleSubCubicGraph What exactly is $1200? Shaan Sengupta 03:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@SimpleSubCubicGraph: Please do not respond to Teahouse questions if you don't know the answer to them or if you're giving unproductive responses. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Shaan Sengupta: Welcome to the Teahouse. If the issue is technical, the folks over at WP:VPT may be better equipped to address it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Tenryuu I believe either this is something techincal or too much flags are creating a problem. Thank you so much. Shaan Sengupta 03:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Joseph A. Tunzi

How do I remove the promotional disclaimer at the top of the Misplaced Pages page for Joseph_A._Tunzi Daryl77 (talk) 20:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Daryl77. In the visual editor, you can simply click on the tag and press backspace to remove it (assuming you're on PC).But I'm wondering, why don't you try to discuss or fix the problem rather than just hiding it away? I don't see any of your edits in the page history or any discussion on the article's talk page of you fixing the actual problem. If there is still promotional content after you remove it, someone will inevitably add the tag again. Tarlby 20:38, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Daryl77. The promotional tone that pervades and saturates that article would need to be removed, which would be a massive job. Because you created that article, have made 413 edits to that article and are personally responsible for nearly 80% of the content, it should certainly not be you that removes that tag. Your main goal as a Misplaced Pages editor for 13 years has been that one article. What, precisely, is your personal connection to Tunzi? Cullen328 (talk) 20:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

You don't. Someone else does. I suggest revealing your COI with the article subject, which is REQUIRED before you keep editing. DACartman (talk) 20:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

How do you do that? Daryl77 (talk) 20:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Daryl77 Please see WP:DISCLOSE. CommissarDoggo 20:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Where do I put the Connected Contributor template at on the page and how should it be filled out? Daryl77 (talk) 21:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Use the COI template at your user page, specifically Template:User COI to declare the COI. Put the connected contributor template at the top of the article's talk page. DACartman (talk) 21:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Have I done it correctly? Daryl77 (talk) 21:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

What would be considered relevant affiliations, disclosures, article drafts or diffs showing COI contributions? Daryl77 (talk) 21:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Have I done it correctly? Daryl77 (talk) 21:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Daryl77, no, you have not done it correctly because you have not explained the precise nature of your conflict of interest. After all these years, it is time for you to be honest about this. Cullen328 (talk) 23:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

What do you want to know? I've known of him since around 1995-1996. It was shortly after I'd graduated high school. I became aware of him when I read an article by a guy named Roger Bailey that had appeared in an Elvis Presley fan magazine titled, Elvis International Forum. It was published by a guy out of Thousand Oaks, California named Darwin Lamm. Bailey had a column in the magazine that where he sold books and other merchandise about or featuring Elvis Presley and he'd mentioned that Tunzi had a new book on Elvis Presley's recording sessions titled, Elvis Sessions II: The Recorded Music of Elvis Aron Presley 1953-1977 I'd missed the first volume of his recording sessions book when it came out about two years earlier around 1993. Somewhere I still have a copy of this magazine that I bought at a gas station near where I went to high school. I've assisted Joe and partnered with him on some of his projects. I've never met him face-to-face, as he lives in Chicago and I live in rural Pennsylvania. After reading the article, I didn't want to order the book through Bailey as I didn't really know him at all, so I went to a local book store and they couldn't get the book for me but they did provide me with contact information for Tunzi, who I called and ordered Elvis Sessions II. I've bought all of his books and products since then and went back and bought copies of the ones I'd missed before Elvis Sessions II. I've stayed in contact with him through the years and as I've said, I've helped him on some projects and we've collaborated on a few as well. Daryl77 (talk) 23:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

COI disclaimer now on User page of Daryl77. The tags at the top are not claiming promotional in tone, only that the majority of the article is contributed by one person. Going forward, if enough other people edit the article, as some point in time someone other than Daryl77 can remove those tags. David notMD (talk) 21:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

How long does a draft typically take to get reviewed?

I plan to be submitting a lot of drafts between now and extended-confirned privileges, and potentially after, how long does the process usually take? A week? 2 weeks? Maybe even a month? The2gingerman (talk) 20:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, The2gingerman. As the header of a current draft says: This may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,744 pending submissions waiting for review. High quality, well-referenced drafts about clearly notable topics are usually accepted fairly quickly. Obviously low quality, poorly referenced or unreferenced drafts about topics that are clearly not notable usually get rejected pretty quickly. Borderline notability cases may take longer. Drafts about highly technical or esoteric topics may take longer. Drafts that heavily rely on sources in languages other than English may take longer. Drafts filled with a large number of references to low quality sources interspersed with a handful of higher quality sources may take longer. Drafts that fail to make a compelling case that the topic is notable in the lead section may take longer. And so on. Cullen328 (talk) 20:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, @The2gingerman, and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can see, you have not yet made a single edit to an article, other than to the draft you created - which was declined because, like most new editors, you don't yet have much understanding of Misplaced Pages's requirements. Would you enter a tennis tournament when you haven't yet ever picked up a tennis racket?

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

In particular, I would urge you to drop utterly the idea of "submitting a lot of drafts",at least until you have had two or three drafts accepted, and so understand what is required. In my opinion, an editor who has made a hundred improvements to existing articles (even if some of them have got reverted) has already added far more value to Misplaced Pages than almost all editors who try to create new articles before they are ready - in fact, most of those in my view subtract value from Misplaced Pages, because they take up the time and attention of reviewers who would much rather be reviewing good drafts. ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, @ColinFine, I will take your advice. The rejection of my draft was a large reality check for me. I will make sure to avoid making such mistakes in future. The2gingerman (talk) 18:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

The2gingerman Mistakes are part of the process. Misplaced Pages policy WP:BRD advises be bold in your edits, if reverted, discuss on the Talk page. The process of getting a first effort at a draft approved as an article will teach a lot about the next endeavor. Only after a series of new-article successes should you consider by-passing AfD to create articles directly in main space. P.S. those will be subject to New Pages Patrol review (WP:NPP), and so may be kicked pack to draft, nominated for deletion or even Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 13:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

adding secondary sources

In exploring the requirements for notable persons and the nature of secondary sources, I am wondering if this qualifies as an example of what is required, or not (sentence structure asides - still working on that!)

Draft:Randolph Charles Kent

In an interview exploring the challenges of futures thinking within the context of humanitarian scenarios, the researcher and futurist Steven Santer identifies in part that the initiative for futures thinking with respect to humanitarianism was born out of Dr. Kent's experiences as a UN Humanitarian Coordinator since 1987.

Thank you Nik9t (talk) 21:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello! Interviews featuring the person generally are not evidence of notability. They're primary sources, and they're something that the person helps arrange themselves, so it's not an independent third party taking note of them. You'll want to find articles about the person written by independent sources like newspapers. Otherwise, Randolph Charles Kent might not be a notable figure as Misplaced Pages defines it. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok, got it - thank you! Nik9t (talk) 21:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hang on, @Thebiguglyalien: @Nik9t described that as an interview with somebody else, which was not what your answer was about. NIk9t, if Santer is wholly unconnected with Kent (not a colleague or associate), then that may well count as secondary. There is also the question of whether the interview was published by a reliable source: if it was published by Kent or his associates, it again would not be independent, and if it was published by Santer or his associates, it would be a self published source. WP:42 has a useful set of criteria for evaluating sources. ColinFine (talk) 22:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

I understood it to be referring to this source: https://futurehumanbydesign.com/2019/09/interview-with-dr-randolph-kent/. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh I see. I assumed from @Nik9t's description above that Santer was being interviewed, rather than that he was interviewing Kent. Thank you for the correction, @Thebiguglyalien. ColinFine (talk) 23:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok, thank you, how about referencing book reviews for example - would this be considered too "passing," or significant as a secondary reference?

Sir David Nabarro KCMG CBE suggests of Dr. Kent's most recent publication that 'Dr. Randolph C. Kent’s Humanitarian Futures: Challenges and Opportunities masterfully blends deep intellectual rigour with practical insights, drawing on his unparalleled experience to illuminate future humanitarian crises and challenge current conventions and paradigms. In our world of perpetual crises, this is a vital, visionary work for leaders, policymakers and practitioners alike.' Nik9t (talk) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

https://www.routledge.com/Humanitarian-Futures-Challenges-and-Opportunities/Kent/p/book/9781032747996 Nik9t (talk) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Why are there specific limitations to VisualEditor

I read through the page for Visual Editor and I saw they had limitations. While they explained what pages are not permitted to use Visual Editing, why are these restrictions in phase? Is there something wrong with visual editor on talk pages? Or editing essays and WP:Policies SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey @SimpleSubCubicGraph

The limitations of VisualEditor exist because it struggles with complex wikitext elements like templates, signatures, and custom formatting used on talk pages, essays, and policies. These pages require precise editing to maintain structure and functionality, which VisualEditor isn't optimized for. Ayohama (talk) 06:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

The VE is a later invention, (source editor is the older), and is still developing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Assistance with Page Deletion/Recreation

Happy New Year All! We recently had our Misplaced Pages page draft deleted, and would like to rewrite/recreate it and submit for consideration again. We are a little confused about the requirements we need to complete before retrying with this page. Do we have to contact those who deleted the page? Can we just start fresh in the sandbox and resubmit? Kinfolx1114 (talk) 16:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Kinfolx1114. It's confusing that you use "we"; an account can only be used by a single person. If more than one person is using this account, please have each person create their own account. You can start a new draft in your sandbox or at Draft:Rahsan Thomas, but it must be written in your own words. You cannot copy content verbatim from other sources, as the message on your talk page explains. Hope that helps. Schazjmd (talk) 16:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Greetings, thank you for your response, much appreciated. (I am the only user of this account, btw). Kinfolx1114 (talk) 16:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Kinfolx1114, please be aware that Draft:Rahsan Thomas was deleted as an unambiguous copyright violation. Please be aware that Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously and you must be very careful to avoid violating copyright laws. Please read WP:COPYVIO. Cullen328 (talk) 17:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Those websites can be used in the draft as references as long as the information in the text is on your own words (not copied or close paraphrasing). David notMD (talk) 18:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @David notMD. Thank you for that note. Is it ok to reference this website? https://kazoo-cobalt-7yx6.squarespace.com/ . (asking because it looks like a personal website?) Kinfolx1114 (talk) 20:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for providing this, @Cullen328. This is very helpful. Kinfolx1114 (talk) 19:59, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

IFfy, as not clear if it is his site (thus, not independent). Suspect because it links to his social media and sells clothing. David notMD (talk) 04:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @David notMDHmmm... agreed. The sales/social media part does make it suspect. I'll just not use it, thank you for your feedback! Kinfolx1114 (talk) 23:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment @Kinfolx1114: They are articles, not pages. Pages is the internal software name that the WMF uses as part of the Mediawiki software and has nothing to with Misplaced Pages. They are articles, refer to them as such. scope_creep 12:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

The distinction Misplaced Pages makes is that what are posted at social media are described as 'pages', whereas Misplaced Pages self-calls what it has as 'articles'. David notMD (talk) 21:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@David notMD Oh, I see. That makes sense, thank you for explaining! Kinfolx1114 (talk) 23:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make a twinkle userbox?

I'm making a userbox that is about preferring twinkle PC over twinkle mobile, am I allowed to do this? ~≈ Stumbleannnn! ≈~ Talk to me 19:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Stumbleannnn. I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't. ColinFine (talk) 20:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes you can, as long as it follows WP guidelines and doesn't violate any policies, such as being offensive or promotional Ayohama (talk) 07:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Alright thanks! I thought it was a little bit of an admin thing, and that's why I asked. ~≈ Stumbleannnn! ≈~ Talk to me 12:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Please help me get my translation of a French page published

Hi everyone, happy new year! I would like to ask for some help. I just translated the following french wikipedia page to english: https://fr.wikipedia.org/Lahcen_Ahansal However, as I am new here, I don't have the required authorization level to publish my English translation that you can find here: https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Emilie1111/Lahcen_Ahansal

How do I go about getting it published? Can someone help me with that? Thanks in advance! Emilie Emilie1111 (talk) 19:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Emelie1111. Your translation is unreferenced, which violates the two important policies, Verifiability and Biographies of living persons. You must add references to reliable sources verifying the content before it can by added to the English Misplaced Pages. Cullen328 (talk) 20:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello Emilie111. Each language Misplaced Pages is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. What is acceptable on one version is not necessarily acceptable on another. The English version tends to be stricter than others. I do see that the French version is referenced- you can certainly place those references in the draft you wrote here, references do not need to be in English. 331dot (talk) 20:03, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Emilie1111, another problem is the tone. I have trouble describing exactly what's wrong with In 1991, fortune finally smiled upon him. This marked a turning point in his life. For Lahcen Ahansal, this race would become his own.; but simply, it doesn't simply relate verifiable facts, which is what it should be doing. -- Hoary (talk) 22:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

More info can be found at Help:Translation, especially regarding attribution etc. Lectonar (talk) 13:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Allowed links

What links are allowed in articles? Danny5784 (talk) 21:16, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Danny5784. See WP:LINK. Links should be added when they are relevant and especially helpful to the reader's understanding of the subject. Links shouldn't be added when it can be reasonably assumed it wouldn't help the reader or when it fills up too much of the screen. Tarlby 21:36, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

If you are referring to sources, articles must meet the general notability guidelines, which state that articles need to include significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. User-generated sites like CPTDB Wiki are not reliable, since anyone can edit them. If you're going to be writing articles on topics related to NJ Transit, sites like NJTransit.com are allowed, but they cannot be used to show notability since they are not independent of the subject. Only independent, reliable sources with significant coverage (not just a passing mention) like NJ.com can be used to demonstrate notability. JTtheOG (talk) 21:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

So, it can be news or a YouTube link? Danny5784 (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

News publications, certainly. As for YouTube, see WP:RSPYT. Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability. JTtheOG (talk) 21:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I founded a YouTube link that contains Westwood's Buses that began operations on September 5, 2022 Danny5784 (talk) 22:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Danny5784. I think WP:EL might be more helpful to you. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Edit Quality "Perfect"?

On the Android app, after selecting Explore in the menu and clicking Edits in the toolbar, I see a page named "Edits" that shows that my "edit quality" is "perfect". What does this mean? Quark7 (talk) 01:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Quark7: So according to, mw:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ#Contribution history, You can view your own contribution history by going to the main screen and tapping the "Edits" button at the bottom. This will show you the total number of edits you've made so far, your current edit quality (based on how many of your edits were reverted), among other statistics. To see more details about each of your previous contributions, tap on the statistics card. This will show a full-screen list of each of your edits.. I guess it means that you have an edit count that has little to no reverts. Thanks, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 01:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your help. How can I find out how many of my edits were reverted? Quark7 (talk) 20:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Quark7 You can get a pretty good idea using Special:Contributions and searching in article space for edits that were directly reverted, which in your case is this link. That says that none of yours have been, unlike in my case where there are a pagefull. Of course, such a search won't show your contributions which were removed by later edits that were not tagged as reverts. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Article

My articles always get declined, and im working so hard like can anyone help me it will be very appreciate full :P NovaExplorer37 (talk) 01:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

If they get declined, you can help fix it by reading the decline reason. As an alternative, read the comments the reviewer left. If they are no comments, ask at the reviewer's talk page. Since you are now Autoconfirmed you are able to create pages directly, but you can still use the Article Wizard if you want. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 01:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @NovaExplorer37, and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at your user talk page, I see several AFC decline notices, with the reason being they fail Misplaced Pages's notability criteria. For an article to be considered worthy of a Misplaced Pages article, articles must meet the criteria on notability per above. As a general reference, the general notability guideline (commonly abbreviated as GNG or WP:GNG) states that "articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic.". I'd advise seeing Misplaced Pages:The answer to life, the universe, and everything for more info, or just message me on my talk page or reply to this if you have any questions.

Looking at one of your submissions, Draft:Natrag Na Voz, the two sources provided are a Discogs entry, which is not considered reliable per the WP:RS guideline because it is user generated (See WP:DISCOGS), and a YouTube video, which may or may not be by the publisher or a user. If it is indeed by the publisher of the album, it would not count towards notability because it is not independent of the topic, and if it is by a user it would not count because it is not reliable as it is user generated. Also, please be aware that neither of these sources provide significant coverage of the topic either.

Apologies if this comes off as blunt or hostile, as I am myself a newcomer. If you have any questions regarding these policies, or would like to request assistance on your article(s), please let me know, as I am free to help whenever possible. Thanks, Sparkle and Fade _edits 01:52, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

well these are the only sources i can find and i mean some wiki articles include discogs sources. NovaExplorer37 (talk) 03:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

If they are the only sources you can find, then the article is likely non-notable, per WP:NEXIST. If you see an article that cites Discogs as a source, especially for something exceptional, then find and replace it with an adequate source or remove it altogether per WP:V.

—Sparkle and Fade _edits 03:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Passing by on the way to the forum. Looking at Draft:Sada znam. When you place the cursor on the reference, the tooltip comes up telling the reference is unreliable. When you examine them, Genuis is defined as generally unreliable, Radio Zepa is generally unreliable, Discogs as described above is a user generated site that is never reliable and spotify is a streaming site, which should never be used in any instance. WP:SECONDARY sources are the gold standard. Somebody talking to another person or group about the subject who doesn't know the subject, so it is independent. It also needs to be reliable and in-depth, a suffiently deep source to be worthile. For albums your generally looking for independent reviews, from recognised article sites. WP:MUSICRS tells which music sites are generally considered notable. Google books is a good place to look in as well. If you don't know if the reference is notable, then check at at reliable sources noticeboard, WP:RSN Somebody will tell you. You can do a search there as well. If there is no album reviews, then the album is likely to be non-notable. I would advise you not to create any mainspace articles. They are likely to be sent back to draft or sent to WP:AFD. Hope that helps. scope_creep 12:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

In general, references that confirm an album exists, the names of the musicians, the list of tracks, etc., are not sufficient to establish Misplaced Pages-notability without published reviews as references. So not only is it unlikely that Draft:Natrag Na Voz can succeed, but the existing article about the band's second studio album Dodirni mi kolena should be nominated for deletion. Same for Jabuke i vino, a song from the Natrag Na Voz album. David notMD (talk) 13:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I've posted the two articles to the Afd queue. scope_creep 14:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

oop- never mind the article got released here’s the link —> Natrag Na Voz Article it seems more better and i put alot of sources aka references.

Best Regards NovaExplorer37 (talk) 22:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Why am I getting 404 not found messages in references used in articles?

Sometimes I get so many 404 not found errors when I visit refenced URL's in articles. For example if you visit some of the sources used in the article Razor wire (Including source 1 and 4), you are going to encounter a "404 not found' error. NicePrettyFlower (talk) 01:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @NicePrettyFlower. Unfortunately, since the average URL has median lifespan of about 1 year (according to WP:Link rot), many URLs end up rotting (link rot) and become dead links. Fortunately, you can repair dead links by using a web archive such as the Wayback Machine or archive.today, and put them in the reference as archive URLs, and provide the archive date. If you are interested, I highly advise you see Misplaced Pages:Link rot and WP:PLRT for more information. Thanks. —Sparkle and Fade _edits 01:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@IcePrettyFlower: I don't believe this is a case of link rot. It might be better described as "born dead". In this "100 Legacies of the Great War" feature that WSJ set up, whether you're accessing a live link or a Wayback archive copy,it displays a page of all the topics (and after a few seconds, some images to go with them), but when you click on any of the topics, it prepares to display something and then hangs.

My wild guess is that they've bypassed some authentication logic (e.g. to determine if you're a subscriber), so if you don't have an account or are otherwise not signed in, it just hangs. Very bad form on WSJ's part.

Having said that, it's very true that many, many links on WP are broken; then again, there are lots of links that don't work unless you have an account. But link rot is a fact; as has been observed for the last couple of decades, the Wayback archive (and other similar facilities) can provide a workaround. I've heard there's a bot that's supposed to go around fixing these things, but I place very little trust in the bots ... they may perhaps work as much as 95% of the time, but nothing really checks whether or not the bot has selected a usable copy. Every time you encounter a broken link (particularly one that's not already marked as {{dead link}}), that's a potential opportunity to improve the encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabrickator (talk • contribs) 06:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Wikitext

I am trying to make a userbox and let users put It in their user page. But it will go to wikitext instead of plain text. How to make wikitext go to plain text? and I can't change it to visual because I am editing a Misplaced Pages page. Ned1a Wanna talk? 02:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Nedia020415 I'm not really sure what you mean, but WP:UBXCREATE has instructions for creating new userboxes. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 03:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

If I understood correct: To display wikitext as plain text in a userbox, use the tags around the code. For example: <nowiki>{{YourUserboxCode}} Ayohama (talk) 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Ned1a Wanna talk? 22:47, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Nedia020415 Template:Tl is nice and generates something like {{Example}} for example or use Template:Mra for the code/outpout:

Markup	Renders as
{{Example}}	This is an example of a template. For help with templates, see Help:Template.

~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

ooh! Thank you I will put that. ;) Ned1a Wanna talk? 22:49, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

User created "mortal sin in Catholic Church" template and added it to dozens of articles

A user created this "mortal sin in the Catholic Church" template, and has added it to dozens of articles including homosexuality, divorce, atheism, tax evasion, kidnapping, hate speech etc: See edit history: Special:Contributions/Oct13

It seems like a needless presence of Catholic doctrine in other articles, but I'm unsure what the guidelines are on user created templates like this. Happy for it to stay if it's suitable. Zenomonoz (talk) 06:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

It's on some unusual articles too, such as the paraphilia article. Having a paraphilia is not deemed a mortal sin by the Catholic Church. Zenomonoz (talk) 07:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

See WP:TfD's discussion of the template. -- Hoary (talk) 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! I’ll know to open TfD discussions in future. Zenomonoz (talk) 09:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Template now deleted. David notMD (talk) 13:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Should I add something

On my draft, Draft:List of Oklahoma tornadoes, I rely a lot on a book by meteorologist and historian Thomas Grazulis. The NWS only has records dating back to 1950 so his book is usually the only good sources about storms that happened before 1950.. Should I add that banner at the top of my draft that says that the article relies excessively on one source, since I cited Grazulis's book for pretty much every event before 1950? Apteryx!🐉 | Roar with me!!! 🗨🐲 12:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Roar with me!!!: How goes it? Generally you don't leave instructions for the reader, or even the reviewer. You could leave something in the talk page, or potentially put a {{efn|The pre-1950....}} tag to show a note at the end of the article with {{notelist}} to inform the reader that it comes from the Grazulis 1993 book. Have you not searched the internet archive, gbooks, refseek, jstor, who else? I would if there wasn't more on each individual tornadoe. The newspaper archive is good, Misplaced Pages library. You can get access to all these to help put in the odd ref. scope_creep 12:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Notability of electoral divisions

Somewhere there is a notability policy regarding electoral divisions (specifically how low does it go). Can anyone tell me where it is? TYVM. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Afaik, We do not have something specific, but Misplaced Pages:Notability (people)/Subnational politicians might give some information about it (e.g.: how far "down" does the lawgiving ability go?) Lectonar (talk) 13:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Ah, it is coming back to me now. What I was thinking of was census enumeration divisions. So a complete red herring, sorry. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Census tracts, abadi, and other areas not commonly recognized as a place (such as the area in an irrigation district) are not presumed to be notable. - WP:NPLACE -- D'n'B-📞 -- 12:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Deleting a draft

I created a draft for a page here https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Pinball_FX_(2022_video_game), but it's no longer needed since a page was created for the game in question here https://en.wikipedia.org/Pinball_FX_(2023_video_game). How would I go about having the draft deleted since it's no longer necessary?Wikieditor9117 (talk) 15:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Wikieditor9117. For a page that nobody but you has made any substantial edits to, you can paste {{db-author}} (as it appears on the page here, not as the wikicode is) at the top, and an admin will come along and delete it. ColinFine (talk) 15:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

OK. I put the tag on the page. Did I do it right?Wikieditor9117 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:42, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that's right. ColinFine (talk) 17:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Great thanks for your help!Wikieditor9117 (talk) 17:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Paragraph break gets overriden

I am trying to enter a paragraph break in the last paragraph of the Career section of this Misplaced Pages page by pressing RETURN twice. However, the system won't accept it. The break should come immediately after footnote cue no. 21. What am I doing wrong?

Abram Molarsky DieHoren (talk) 18:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@DieHoren: I think I've added it where you desired it. For some reason the reference at the end of the preceding sentence was breaking something. What exactly was broken, and if there's a better solution, I have no idea. But in cases like this you can simply use the {{pb}} template to add a paragraph break. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks so much. Your edit is just what I was trying to do I'll remember the {{pb}} template. DieHoren (talk) 19:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@DieHoren: The problem was blockquotes not on separate lines (see Template:Blockquote#Line breaks) so I made another fix. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll take a look at that Template. Still finding my way here. DieHoren (talk) 19:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Problem with disruptive editing and what should I do

Hello, I am terribly sorry if I write this in wrong place, but I really don't know what place. I alreday reprte dthis to noticeboard, but while I am awaiting answers I want to know how to act towrads this person who constantly reverts my editions. Whole situation is this:

I was editing page of Kösem Sultan and I noticed this user: 109.228.104.136 changed phrase in infobox "spouse: Ahmed I" into "consort of: Ahmed I", claiming 'they were never married'. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=K%C3%B6sem_Sultan&oldid=1263148667

Because of this, I added information they were married and sourced this with book (reference of 21 of current edition). This person so far left my paragraph intact but they keep revert to their preffered version of infobox. I asked them on Talk page about providing source. When I pointed that their source does not dispute, they deleted my talk. They did this twice and even claimed I 'vandalized' Kosem's page.

As inexperienced user I was few times into edit warring, as I did not know how exactly rules are there.I try to be careful now to not make disruptions and while there is instruction to undo undsourced informations, I am not sure if I am allowed to undo their - unsourced - edition, as I already did this few times. I would not label changing 'spouse' for 'consort of' as vandalism per say, but I want to protect my edition and I wish this person provided source so we could each consensus. You can see our - now deleted by them - discussion here: 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:109.228.104.136&diff=prev&oldid=1267744138#Kosem_Sultan_was_wife_of_Ahmed_I. 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:109.228.104.136&diff=prev&oldid=1267749540#Kosem_was_wife_of_Ahmed (I do not know if I linked this correctly, but both shound be find in history of talk page of user with today date)

I hope it can be seen I was willing to discuss things and I even proposed to merge ours versions, if only this person provide scholar source - which they didn't, as Tik Tok video they linked contardicts statement from my book (see details in discussions). I also want to add that blocked user called Cecac https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:K%C3%B6sem_Sultan#Marriage used exactly the same argument, as historian in Tik Tok provided by 109.228.104.136. I do not know if 109.228.104.136 and Cecac are the same person, but I think it should be checked. Finally, I do not know how much video made on Tik Tok should be considered as reliable source, so I am not sure how to act in this situation.

Again I apologize if I leave this message in wrong board - there were multiple issues so I decided to list them all. Please notify me if I am allowed edit Kosem's page and brought back informations, as I really want avoid going back-and-forth and do not want to be blocked myself.

I understand that arguing about 'consort of' and 'spouse' seems like semantics, but this person also reverts other informations, like place of Kosem's birth in infobox despite text of article saying otherwise, and I don't know if I am allowed to intervene, as I really don't want to be accused again of another edit warring. Sobek2000 (talk) 20:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sobek2000 Welcome to the Teahouse. In relation to your comments at Talk:Kösem_Sultan#Marriage, you may not realise that you are commenting in reply to an edit of last March by someone who is now blocked and therefore can't engage with you, except by evading their block. Your more recent disagreement with the IP editor may continue and there are various methods of WP:Dispute resolution open to you, as explained at that link. Incidentally, Talk Page guidelines say that, while it is acceptable to delete discussions on one's own talk page (as the IP did), it is not acceptable to delete someone else's contribution to an article talk page, so that's where you should focus all the discussion. The general advice about an edit war is: don't! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Sobek2000: I had a look at the article in question and reviewed a few reliable sources and it does seem you are correct that reliable sources identify her as the wife of the sultan rather than the consort. As such I've restored "wife of" and included two citations in the infobox to support this statement. Hopefully that will discourage reverts. The advice to avoid edit warring is good advice - generally if you have a dispute on a page with insufficient eyes to generate a consensus the best thing to do is to raise the issue at an appropriate noticeboard and that will help bring additional editors to the page to help build a clear consensus. In this case, for instance, an appropriate venue might be something like Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Women's History or Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ottoman Empire. Thanks. Simonm223 (talk) 15:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Sobek2000 (talk) 16:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Random pages with no sources

Hi - I'm still fairly new here. I've been doing some random tasks, and I wonder what is the best thing to do when I come across pages like this 32nd Kisei and this Kerala State Film Award for Best Dubbing Artist (and for both of these, there are a bunch of similar pages) - with no independent sources. Should I put a tag on them seeking more references, or are these the type of pages that should be proposed for deletion? Many thanks. Blackballnz (talk) 21:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

From Past tournaments at the bottom, and also Category:Kisei (Go), 32nd Kisei appears to be an article about the 2008 annual GO tournament, with many past tournaments subjects of articles, many of those underreferenced or not referenced. As such, I recommend not proposing deletion or starting an AfD. David notMD (talk) 21:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Why are the icons so weird

I was looking through Misplaced Pages and special articles and noticed the icons are in frutiger aero style, why so? I mean, you could just ask wikipedians to volunter to redesign the icons or hire a graphic designer ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 22:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know why, IsaqueCar. I for one only ask fellow volunteers for help when I'm stuck, or when I'm acutely aware of my ignorance. (Thus I've recently asked for help with numismatics, of which I'm ignorant, and, indirectly, with the Czech language, which I can't read.) Hiring professionals of course costs money. Is the alleged weirdness likely to impair understanding of encyclopedic content? -- Hoary (talk) 01:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @IsaqueCar. Until I searched and found Frutiger (typeface) I hadn't the slightest idea what you were talking about. I still have no idea which icons you mean.

If you are talking about part of the user interface, then be aware that most Misplaced Pages editors (who are generally the people that hang out at this page) don't have any involvement in this, and it's better to bring this up at WP:VPT. If you're talking about something within an article or series of articles, then the talk page of those articles, or of a relevant WP:WikiProject, is the best place to bring the matter up. ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I looked for Frutiger Aero, which was more enlightening.

@IsaqueCar: Why not so? Design is a subjective thing: as long as the icons are visible and clear in meaning, then there's not really a problem, is there? Bazza 7 (talk) 15:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

it just feels weird to have such old looking icons on a modern website ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I mean, it is very subjective. I exclusively use Monobook because I like the older look of it. Every design can have wildly differing opinions depending on who you ask. Thx56 (talk) 20:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Icons like in those info boxes "this article contains information..."

Some icons of wikiprojects will show you what i mean ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 16:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Also special articles normaly have lots of notices so it's also a good example ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Opinion?

Hey guys what is your opinion on this draft? Any improvements I can make, feel free to list. Do you think it will be approved? First time making a post.

Draft:Vincent Piket Hartnana13 (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello. You have submitted it for review, and the reviewer will leave you feedback if not accepted. It's redundant to ask for a review while waiting for a review. One thing you do need to do is provide the copyright information on the image page, which you need to do on Commons. How did you obtain the image? 331dot (talk) 22:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I am not asking for you guys to review it, sorry for the misunderstanding. I was just asking for your opinions if it would be approved and/or if there are some improvements i can make. As for copyright ill need to look into it. Hartnana13 (talk) 22:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Those questions will be answered by the reviewer. If it's going to take time for you to address the copyright of the image, I would just temporarily remove it from the draft; images are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. 331dot (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

It looks too much like a CV, not a surprise as the CV is ref #1, used many times. Given that a CV is not an independent reference, remove it as a reference, and remove all content that cannot be verified by independent referenes. David notMD (talk) 01:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

It's written in peculiarly turgid prose, Hartnana13. A sample: "Piket was instrumental in promoting educational collaborations. Notably, he officiated the opening of the School of Politics, History, and International Relations at the University of Nottingham Malaysia Campus, underscoring his commitment to fostering academic partnerships". Does "was instrumental in promoting" differ in meaning from "promoted"; and if so, how? Does "officiated" differ in meaning from "gave a short speech at"; and if so, how? What, if anything, does "underscoring his commitment to fostering academic partnerships" add to the sentence? -- Hoary (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I cut that, and other stuff, too. But this still needs trimming. David notMD (talk) 01:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Lua error

Could someone have a look at Jonathan Stroud, please? There are errors in the bibliography section, described with text like "Lua error in Module:Episode_table at line 246: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value". I think these appeared following this edit, but I can't see how to resolve them. Thanks for your help. Tacyarg (talk) 22:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Tacyarg: The problem here was with Module:Episode table itself. Ahecht fixed it. JJP_Master (she/they) 22:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, both. Tacyarg (talk) 00:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

What happened to the French Businessman who sued WP?

I was reading Litigation involving the Wikimedia Foundation and I saw that a french businessman filed suit wanting them to hand over the IP of the wikipedia user who defamed him, yet wikipedia denied and they were fined constantly. Did wikipedia pay the fines? DId they ignore it? Is WIkipedia banned in France? Did the businessman get his IP so he can greedily sue anyone who even talks bad about him? What happened? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 23:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Like every wikipedia article it cites sources, you can translate them to read and find out. Though given it's in the 'outcomes not in favour of the WMF' section I think a guess can be hazarded that the WMF was fined as implied. aquarium substrate 23:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm in France and I can answer to one of your question. The question is "Is WIkipedia banned in France?"

The answer is no. I'm a contributor to "Misplaced Pages in French" and a contributor to "Misplaced Pages in English".

There are not any language version banned in French Republic.

If it was the case. The information would be in news because the ban of Misplaced Pages by a Western power is an exceptionnal event. Anatole-berthe (talk) 03:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Albert 'Kid' Lloyd

I wrote an article on "Albert 'Kid' Lloyd" some time back... and I just checked, but I can't see that it ever got published to Misplaced Pages... can anyone help with this? TamaRock (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

You wrote a draft on your user page, User:TamaRock. (It doesn't belong there. Please move it to User:TamaRock/sandbox, pronto.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Step 1:

Click on the red link: Albert 'Kid' Lloyd.

Step 2:

Paste in your information from your talk page.

Step 3: Publish. You might have to go through the AFC process. Sushidude21! (talk) 05:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

From the user page, Sushidude21, not the talk page. (And not to article space. And there was no need for copying and pasting. Just moving.) TamaRock, I have moved it to User:TamaRock/sandbox. Happy editing! (More editing is needed.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Requesting a peer review

Hi, I’ve attempted to request a peer review on the Sam Reid (actor) talk page, and assumed I could link to the WikiProject Biography articles in my post but that doesn't link. Could someone please help me to request a peer review for the page? Thank you/sorry! ~~ Elinoria (talk) 04:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Elinoria! I have fixed the link, however I don't believe that's the correct way to request a peer review. Have you followed all the instructions at WP:PRG? TNM101 (chat) 12:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I tried a few thing, including trying to add a new category but then couldn't do that - could you please help with it? Sorry, I thought it was more straightforward … Elinoria (talk) 12:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I have added the template to the talk page. All you have to do now is click one of the topics which the article falls under, which will lead you to a new page. Over there, write the reason for your request of the peer review and save the page. TNM101 (chat) 13:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I added it under the “arts” category because Sam Reid is an actor. The category seems pretty broad, was that the correct thing to do? Sorry to ask so many questions and again, thank you. Elinoria (talk) 13:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I think that's probably the best category you could put it under. TNM101 (chat) 14:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Can I, a relatively new user, make talk pages on contentious topics?

Are there times where I could make an edit request on a contentious topic (such as the Arab-Israeli conflict) even if I don't have the required edits to edit the article? I think I was told the answer to this question in an earlier incident, but I would like to ask this question again just to double-check and be absolutely sure. LordOfWalruses (talk) 04:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello! You can definitely make edit requests on the talk pages of articles on contentious topics. That is what is expected to be done by non-extended confirmed editors, since they cannot directly edit the page. TNM101 (chat) 05:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Although talk page posts other than edit requests cannot be made in the WP:ARBECR area. CMD (talk) 05:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Help with applying new science breakthrough across multiple articles.

It has recently been discovered that the clouds of Jupiter are made of ammonium hydrosulfide mixed with smog, not ammonia ice, as has been previously believed and that the same applies to Saturn. https://phys.org/news/2025-01-citizen-science-reveals-jupiter-clouds.amp

How should I go about searching for information that needs to be changed in articles such as atmosphere of Jupiter? Sushidude21! (talk) 05:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Please be very conservative with where and how you include it. It's hot-off-the-press WP:PRIMARY source that needs corroboration and discussion in WP:SECONDARY sources before it can rise to the level of the prevailing view it contradicts. Consider "new evidence indicates instead..." rather than replacing what seems to be long-standing scientific consensus, especially in a WP:FA. DMacks (talk) 05:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I'll just wait a bit and do what you said, plus maybe let more experienced editors work out what to do. Thanks Sushidude21! (talk) 05:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Sushidude21! You can try asking for input at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Astronomy. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

How do I move an article if the title i need to move it to is a redirect page

So basically I need to move this article to what is currently a redirect to that article but I am unable to do so because "the article already exsists". How do I move it then? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 09:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Ask at WP:RM/TR. CMD (talk) 09:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Cultural impact? Influences? Legacy?

I'm planning to add subsections to Yu-Gi-Oh! about it's influences. I'm trying to follow conventions and looking around for examples but they use different name:

• Pokemon use "Legacy and influences", Neon Genesis Evangelion use "Influence and legacy"
• Magic: The Gathering use "Legacy"
• Star Wars, One Piece, and Nineteen Eighty-Four use "Cultural Impact"

Which one should I use? Ivan530 (talk) 09:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ivan530 I'm not aware of any general rule. Just use whatever you consider to be the most appropriate. Shantavira| 10:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Don't forget to use secondary sources about the subject. This is the most important.

@Ivan530 I'm not aware of any general rule about naming of such section.

Some ressources about how to use secondary sources :

1.Misplaced Pages:No original research

2.Misplaced Pages:Secondary does not mean independent

3.Misplaced Pages:Independent sources Anatole-berthe (talk) 11:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ivan530 Welcome to Teahouse! Articles generally do not need to be consistent with each other. Some WikiProjects might propose specialized layout guidelines for example I found WP:VGLAYOUT via the more generic MOS:LAYOUT. Sometimes different sources lead for necessity of one section naming over another, though I tend to go for short section titles if possible, e.g ## Legacy ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Translation and references issue

Draft:Christine Meyer

This artist was marked as missing in the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Women in rock music and so I decided to translate the Norwegian article. I was, however, not allowed to do so, so I've saved my suggestion at the link mentioned first in this post.

Secondly: The references I've added are not recognised as such. I'd be grateful for any pointers as to why. Thank you! :) Birdesigns (talk) 13:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

For References, if using double curly brackets, use "reflist", not "references". I fixed it David notMD (talk) 14:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Birdesigns (talk) 16:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Birdesigns, and welcome to the Teahouse.

When you say you're "not allowed to do so", I'm guessing that you tried to use the content translation tool? This is only available for editors who have at least 500 edits (which you have not, even though your account is nearly ten years old). This is because so many newer editors do not understand English Misplaced Pages's requirements on sourcing and notability, and that many other Misplaced Pages's have less stringent requirements.

In the case of your draft, you have three references for one single claim in the article, and no references for anything else. This is not adequate sourcing for an article in English Misplaced Pages, which should be a summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable places. (As far as I can make out, few if any of the sources in the original no:Christine Meyer meet the criteria of WP:42).

Unless the original is well-sourced to approaching the standard required of new articles in English Misplaced Pages, I believe that the best approach to translating is to treat it like a new article with perhaps some input from the original, rather than relying on translating the content . ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, Colin. The sources I include are mainstream (albeit local/regional) newspapers, and the offical website (management) for the artist. There is not much else to reference than the explanation of who she is and her most known performance. Birdesigns (talk) 17:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Birdesigns. Regional newspapers are often reliable, but the source needs to be independent and have significant coverage of her too. The sources I looked at only had a line or two about her (generally in that one role). And anything from her official website is not independent, and cannot contribute towards establishing notability.

If you cannot find sources to establish that she meets either WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG, then she does not meet English Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability, and no article is possible. ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok, I'm fine with that, but admittedly a bit annoyed since she was on the "red list" and all I did was trying to make her blue. Should there not be a curation of that list before we are encouraged to red-to-blue fix it? Or is deciding that someone isn't notable a part of the fixing process? If so, how does one go about to let others know that the best is to not publish the article? Simply edit the source of the list and delete from there? Birdesigns (talk) 17:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Birdesigns: I can understand you frustraton, but please remember that the top of that page has a panel including the words:

Please note ... that the red links on this list may well not be suitable as the basis for an article. All new articles must satisfy Misplaced Pages's notability criteria with reliable independent sources.

(emphasis in original). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, Andy – appreciate the pointer. :) So, do I simply ignore those on the list which I reckon aren't meeting the requirements, and let others decide whether or not to delete them? Is there somewhere I can write a small note on my thoughts on the person's notability? Birdesigns (talk) 17:04, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Editing question

Am I allowed to edit my talk page for edits? I have been a wikipedia member for so long but dont have 500 edits so I am wondering if I did like a word of the day on my profile if that is okay like can I edit my own profile. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DMPenguin (talk • contribs) 16:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey @DMPenguin, you can edit your own talk page and user page, including adding things like a "word of the day." However, be mindful not to abuse this by simply padding your edit count, as the focus should be on meaningful contributions to articles. Keep going, you will make it to 500 edits with the proper way. Ayohama (talk) 16:29, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin (talk) 16:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@DMPenguin: Welcome to the Teahouse. I advise you to reach an edit count of 500 edits the productive way; trying to pad your edit count with unproductive edits can be seen as gaming the system, and if an admin finds you doing that, they can revoke your extended confirmed rights even if you go past 500 edits. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Of so I did it 42 times do I just delete it? And not do it again(Of course) DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin (talk) 17:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @DMPenguin. We are all learning creatures, and we sometimes learn by making mistakes. If you have made 42 edits to try and game the system, but have now realised that that is not a good move, there is no need to delete it or cover it up - as long as your actions show that you have learnt, nobody is going to hold it against you. Though you probably do want to delete what you've added. I suggest that, when you delete it, you put something in the edit summary saying why, to make it clear that you have learnt. ColinFine (talk) 17:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Got it thanks. DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin (talk) 17:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

On a separate note, people can be confused if your signature "DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin" does not match your User name "DMPenguin". David notMD (talk) 18:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Notability

Is he notable Chetan Maddineni ? 175.101.60.14 (talk) 16:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, Chetan Maddineni appears to meet Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines based on his roles in notable films and coverage in independent sources. Ayohama (talk) 16:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

What about sources doesn’t meet WP:ICTFSOURCES 175.101.60.14 (talk) 16:33, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, IP. I looked in all of the sources that are currently referenced. Here they are, with my comments:

• "Actor Chetan Maddineni is ready with an entertainer after learning method acting": a mere interview. (Even its title doesn't make sense to me, though perhaps "with an entertainer" was intended to mean "as an actor". Note that I'm linking to a Wayback scrape of the page linked to in the reference.)
• "Interview : Chetan Maddineni- Small films need more support from the audience": A mere interview.
• "Chetan Maddineni’s striking transformation takes social media by storm": "X takes Y by storm" is a cliché of promotional junk; this piece is no exception.
• "Interview with Chetan Maddineni about First Rank Raju by Maya Nelluri": A mere interview.
• "Birthday special! Chetan Maddineni: My upcoming film will be on the lines of 'Ready', 'Dhee' and 'Chiru Navvutho'": Based on an interview.
• ‘ఫస్ట్ ర్యాంక్ రాజు’ మూవీ రివ్యూ!: In Telugu, which I cannot read. If Google Translate can be trusted, this is a rather lightweight review of one film in which Chetan Maddineni appears. It's not junk, but it says little about him.

None of these six sources counts toward evidence of notability. For all I know, other sources, not referenced here, show that Chetan Maddineni is notable. I haven't looked (and perhaps am hobbled by my ignorance of Telugu and Hindi). Which independent sources are you describing above, Ayohama? -- Hoary (talk) 00:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

How does editor classification work?

how is an editor considered either new, intermediate, advanced or mentor, and what are the requirements for such roles? ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @IsaqueCar. I'm not aware of any such classifications used in a formal sense. "Mentor" is a role that an editor may take on. Where have you seen these used? ColinFine (talk) 17:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

special articles that include info about editing "(type of edit) is suitable for intermediate editors"

"copy-editing is suitable for begginer editors" ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh, right. I don't think those are formal, defined, terms. They're being used loosely, to give an indication of the level of experience required. ColinFine (talk) 19:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Not aware either, Misplaced Pages:User access page doesn't specifically mention "new," "intermediate," "advanced," or "mentor" classifications. However, it outlines various user groups based on permissions, such as unregistered users, autoconfirmed users, extended confirmed users, and administrators, which represent different levels of experience and access. Ayohama (talk) 17:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I forgot what page i saw it on ill search for it ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Experience levels are recommended for various functions (For example being a Teahouse Host, at least 30 days and 500 edits). David notMD (talk) 18:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Task Center uses this style. I'd describe it as based on self-assessment. In reality it's going to relate to experience and knowledge of policies, guidelines, and other relevant practices. I'd think almost all editors with fewer than 100 edits are going to be noobies, but there could be exceptions for some tasks, such as people who have used a similar wiki platform before, or people with professional writing experience. There are people with many thousands of edits and years of experience who couldn't do stuff within an 'intermediate' category, but also many people who could do things within a few weeks of learning. As mentioned above, Misplaced Pages:User access levels are formal classifications. Everything else is woolly and hand-wavy. -- zzuuzz 19:16, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

The Newcomer Homepage describes tasks similarly, although with ‘Easy’, ‘Medium’, and ‘Hard’: for when you are beginning to edit, for when you have completed some easy edits, and for when you have learned Misplaced Pages best practices, respectively. But there are no requirements for new/intermediate/advanced as said above and that too is based on self-assessment. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 19:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

We also have something at Category:User Wikitext, which admittedly is also informal and self-assigned, and actually is only seen in context to Wiki syntax. Lectonar (talk) 12:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Article classes

Is there a helpful page somewhere outlining what makes a wikipedia article a stub, start class, C class up to GA, featured article etc? I'd like to learn more about these ratings. I use Visual Editor. Thanks. Balance person (talk) 17:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Balance person Welcome to Teahouse, see Misplaced Pages:Content assessment. Happy editing! More important than updating ratings is making the relevant improvements to the articles themselves ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I was just curious. I am very happily editing! Balance person (talk) 17:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Needing help with contest

I want to join the guild of copyeditors' backlog of Jan 2025 but the signup instructions are too confusing ❦⌬ IsaqueCar ⌬❦ (talk) 19:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, IsaqueCar! To sign up, go to this backlog page and click the blue “Create your article list” button in the Signing up section and save the page. That will sign you up for the drive. The Totals section below the signup explains how to use your article list. Be sure to read the guide to basic copyediting first, and happy (copy)editing! Perfect4th (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

How to add a category to a page/talk page

Hi,

I’d like to add a category to an article’s talk pages and cannot see the HTML in the source code. According to my searches as to how to do it, I should see the category source code to add a category to, but I don’t see it. Thanks for your time Elinoria (talk) 19:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

In the source editor which I presume you are using, you add a category by adding a link to the category at the bottom of the page. An example would be ] Thx56 (talk) 19:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! That’s exactly what I expected, but when I try to edit the entire page, I don’t see any source code for the category. If I try pasting the category at the very bottom of the page, nothing appears in the preview.

Do you have any suggestions?

Elinoria (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Elinoria. I'm not entirely sure what you mean.

The Wikicode ] may actually go anywhere on a page: it's just convention to put it at the bottom. And you won't see anything when the page is rendered except in the list of categories at the bottom.

If you are talking about your user page, and you mean that when you edit source you can't see any "]" statements at the bottom, that's because the categories are inserted by the templates that you have added to the page, and since it doesn't show you the expanded code of the templates, you don't see the "Category" statements.

Does that answer your question? ColinFine (talk) 20:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

If not then please link the page and name the category. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Managed it eventually! Elinoria (talk) 21:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

It worked - I was confused by it not showing up on the preview. When I published, it appeared. Thank you. Elinoria (talk) 21:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

R-Salt

This was mentioned in connection to the recent New Orleans attack, but there does not seem to be Misplaced Pages article for it. If someone in the chemistry world wants to write an article about it, please do. Keith Henson (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

1,3,5-trinitroso-1,3,5-triazine (R-Salt) is an insensitive energetic that has previously been used as an improvised explosive. Keith Henson (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Hkhenson, and welcome to the Teahouse. While you're certainly allowed to post such a request, I want to tell you that the chances of anybody acting on that request are very low. Misplaced Pages is a volunteer project, and prople work on what they choose. While it's possible that somebody will see your request and act on it, it's not very likely.

There is a recognised place for requesting articles, WP:RA; but in all honesty, the take-up there is very low as well. Something that might work better is to ask at a relevant WikiProject - perhaps WT:WikiProject Chemistry: that will at least be seen by people who have an interest in Misplaced Pages's coverage of chemistry.

Generally, if you want to see an article created, the most effective way is to do the research (find the sources to establish Notability) and do it yourself. Doing that will have the side benefit that if you can't find suitable sources, you'll know that the article cannot be written. ColinFine (talk) 21:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

The intersection of WT:CHEM and WP:TH is non-null:) Feel free to add cited info to R-salt, which I just turned blue. DMacks (talk) 02:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Good job! It's sometimes said around here that Teahouse-people don't start articles on request, but that isn't always true. Sometimes we feel like doing it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Indeed. @Gråbergs Gråa Sång will remember this question leading me creating this one about Armored mud balls a couple of years ago. It's far less likely that anyone would ever want to create one about a businessman, cryptocurrency fad or 'some here-today-gone-tomorrow' minor celebrity. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Sometimes we really want WP to have that article. Earl Bailly was inspired by a question at Commons, but still. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:44, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm often on the fence for these...promoting involvement by newer editors to create articles on topics of their interest (increased involvement is good, and demonstrated willingness to engage in collaboration) vs doing it myself (especially if it could benefit from specialized literature resources or where some people might not feel comfortable writing publicly about certain topics even if "anonymous"). DMacks (talk) 00:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Youtube

If a reliable source posts a video on Youtube, is the video a good source to rely on? WikiPhil012 (talk) 23:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

YouTube as a source is generally usable if the outlet themselves posts the video to their verified channel. As an example, a video by CNN uploaded to CNN's own channel is fine. That same video uploaded to "NewsLieTracker"'s channel isn't. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 00:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, but in name of the website do i put the publisher, or YouTube? WikiPhil012 (talk) 00:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

You'd put the publisher, and put YouTube in the via parameter. Ca 02:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi WikiPhil012. You should probably take a look at WP:YOUTUBE and WP:COPYLINK before adding any links to YouTube videos to any Misplaced Pages, even as part of a citation. If the source itself is considered to be a reliable source (as defined by Misplaced Pages), you can still cite it without providing a link to YouTube; just make sure you provide as much information as you can about the original source in the citation as explained in WP:CITEHOW. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

You can put YouTube videos on Misplaced Pages. 2001:44C8:455C:91:C1B3:EC6C:4318:1D05 (talk) 02:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

That last comment is true in some cases, but false in most. See WP:YOUTUBE, as already cited. ColinFine (talk) 11:59, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

promotional template

can white44tree please add promotional template to Deko article on wikipedia? White44Tree (talk) 00:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Well i added the promotional template. Ned1a Wanna talk? 00:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Does the content appear promotional? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 00:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh yea... removed it sorry Ned1a Wanna talk? 00:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Vacuity (see the article, and its earlier AfD) isn't the same as promotionalism. -- Hoary (talk) 01:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

what about Bryce Gheisar page add promotional template? White44Tree (talk) 01:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Are primary sources okay for a (minor) controversy section?

Currently working on the article Sacred Reich (a section at my sandbox), and I'm considering adding a (specifically minor) two-to-three-sentences-long controversy paragraph pertaining to the name of the band, sitting under the "Name" heading after the name's origin. Currently, the only relevant sources are these two interviews with lead guitarist Wiley Arnett and with the band respectively. The former has a story about how they were nearly stopped by police from doing a gig, being mistaken for a neo-nazi rally because of the name, and the latter having a sentence about the band receiving a letter from someone after the release of Surf Nicaragua, who "had the wrong idea about us and didn’t like the One Nation lyrics." (Note: One Nation is a song about anti-racism and bigotry.) However, since these are both primary sources, I still hold concerns on whether or not this should be included in the final article. If anyone can provide another opinion, it'd be highly appreciated.

—Sparkle and Fade _edits 04:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello —Sparkle and Fade. I know nothing about the band, but I suggest you write that during an interview Wiley Arnett stated the band got its name because of – whatever reason was given. Perhaps a better source for the name origin could be found later on, and then the article can be edited. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Sparkle & Fade: primary sources can be used to verify facts (straightforward and non-contentious ones). If the question is "where did this band get its name?", then arguably there is no better source to answer that, than the people who actually named it, ie. the band members. Even if you find a secondary source, say a magazine telling us where the name comes from, the information almost certainly ultimately traces back to the band members anyway. But as Karenthewriter suggests, rather than simply stating it as an absolute fact like "the name comes from" you should refer to that primary source and phrase it as "according to Arnett, the name comes from" (or words to that effect). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

susanhollowayscott.com reliable?

I'm currently working on upgrading an article to Good Article status, but there's still one citation left that's needed. Unfortunately, the only source I can seem to find is susanhollowayscott.com, which is a blog. I know that some blogs are allowed, so is this one trustworthy, or is it unreliable? Help! Ali Beary _{(talk2me!) (stalk me?!)} 18:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Ali Beary. WP:BLOG says when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications. According to our article on Susan Holloway Scott, she is a writer of historical fiction, and her blog seems to be mostly on historical subjects, as you might expect. She has no doubt done her research, but unless she has a track record as a reliably published writer about history, it doesn't sound promising. ColinFine (talk) 18:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Your refs 1,2 and 3 are to her website, and therefor not independent and not contributing to confirming notability. David notMD (talk) 20:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

The article content states what she has written, but does not have content or refs for what has been written about her. This is Start class at best (the current rating) and needs significant work before being upgraded to C-class, let alone nominated for GA. David notMD (talk) 20:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

OP nominated Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton, not Susan Holloway Scott. Tarlby 20:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, query pertains to raising Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton to GA, and want to know if effort can use Scott's blog as a reference. In that case, I agree with ColinFine that while Scott publishes historical fiction, she does not quality as an academic historian with bona fides. David notMD (talk) 20:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Sources and Notability

Just because sources exist for a subject does not necessarily mean that it is notable enough to have a Misplaced Pages article, correct? RedactedHumanoid (talk) 22:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@RedactedHumanoid Correct. WP:GNG sources are wanted, not, for example, subject's social media. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello RedactedHumanoid. There can not be an Misplaced Pages article unless the subject is considered notable. Sources exist about me, including mentions in a few local newspaper articles, but that doesn't make me Misplaced Pages-article-notable. If you haven’t already done so reading Help:Your first article may be of help to you. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. I was just wondering cause I very recently obtained NPR rights, and wanted to know if just because an article with sources meant that it was notable, since I forgot. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 06:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

A Page about Indian Educational linguist - Rama Kant Agnihotri

I am in doubt if the person is nitable and whether he should have a wikipedia page.

Full name - Rama Kant Agnihotri

Profession - Professor (Retd.), faculty at Uni. of delhi.

Wrote many books, including, Routledge published: an essential Hindi grammar. Ruderaksh11 (talk) 22:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ruderaksh11, do you mean Draft:Ramakant Agnihotri? Schazjmd (talk) 22:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Well, Ruderaksh11, it's merely a draft. Let's see how the draft develops. I have to say, though, that it's seriously defective. Consider this somniferous sample: "Rama Kant Agnihotri’s work has been pivotal in leveraging India’s rich linguistic diversity as a tool for social justice and educational equity." I think this means "Rama Kant Agnihotri’s work has made India’s linguistic diversity a tool for social justice and educational equity"; but I'd have to look at the source to be sure. However, the only source provided is by Rama Kant Agnihotri himself, so it can't be used to verify a claim for an achievement by him. -- Hoary (talk) 00:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Aside from the draft, you should not have article-like content on your Use page and should stop any work on Draft:Rama Kant Agnihotri (2). As for the unsubmitted draft Draft:Ramakant Agnihotri, needs work before being submittedfor review. David notMD (talk) 04:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Jean-François Ballester

2 weeks ago someone added something in French to the article Jean-François Ballester. According to Google translate it's about the place and grave, where he was buried. As they put malformed "ref"-tags around it, it's not clear to me, what they intended to do. So: should the sentence be deleted, or could it be used somehow? Maresa63 23:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

The reference was for his mother and sister being coaches, so I moved it back up to that line. I removed the addition in French (location of his grave), as there was no source to support it. LizardJr8 (talk) 23:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Copyright question

https://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/data/images/1315374-Thomas_Robert_Bugeaud.jpg

Can I just check this is out of protection, it was painted in the 1840s, does it being a digital image have different / changed protection? LeChatiliers Pupper (talk) 09:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@LeChatiliers Pupper Faithful 2D representations/photos of paintings that old would be in the public domain, as that article explains. When you upload the image to Commons, make sure you include your immediate source, i.e. the weblink you gave here. More complex copyright questions should be directed to the Commons helpdesk at c:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Cheers LeChatiliers Pupper (talk) 16:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I need a biography written on Misplaced Pages

As a naturopath and holistic healthcare practitioner, I'd like an experienced Wiki writer to feature an article on my expertise. If any of you can help then please reach out soon. Dr. Mojibul Haque (talk) 11:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dr. Mojibul Haque Posting a request here at the Teahouse is more-or-less an invitation to scammers to "reach out" and take your money, as the link I've added explains. If you are (or become) a wikinotable person, then a volunteer will likely notice and write about you. There are reasons why you may regret having such an article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:13, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Dr. Mojibul Haque. To put your request in other words "I want to use Misplaced Pages to promote my business". Promotion of any kind is forbidden on Misplaced Pages.

If several people who have no connection with you, and have not been commissioned or fed information on you behalf, choose to write at some length about you in reliable sources, then you would probably meet Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability, and an article could be written about you. Such an article would not belong to you, would not be controlled by you, would not necessarily say what you want it to say, and would be able to be edited by almost anybody in the world except you and your associates. If it happened that there was reliably published material that was negative about you, that would probably be discussed in the article. See an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing

If you have not been written about in that way, then no amount of work, and no amount of money, is going to be able to put an article about you in Misplaced Pages: see WP:AMOUNT.

Please focus on other means to promote your business. And don't, whatever you do, pay somebody to write a Misplaced Pages article about you: see WP:SCAM. ColinFine (talk) 13:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Your submission of a draft about yourself at User:Dr. Mojibul Haque/sandbox has been declined. For a living person, all content must be verified by valid references (see WP:42). References need to be to publications about you, not sci journal articles for which you were a co-author. Those are useless. David notMD (talk) 16:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dr. Mojibul Haque: I feel I should point out that alternative medicines (and those who practice with same) are in a contentious topic, with part of the issue in the topic area being promotion such as you're attempting to do. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 16:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

What is the WikiCup

What is the WikiCup, that’s my only question. Yuanmongolempiredynasty (talk) 12:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:WikiCup Lectonar (talk) 12:12, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Yuanmongolempiredynasty, The WikiCup is an annual writing competition on Misplaced Pages, where participants earn points by contributing to articles across various categories. The goal is to encourage high-quality contributions and promote engagement. Ayohama (talk) 13:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Is Muck Rack a Self-published source?

Hey, Hope you are doing great, I'm here to ask about Muck Rack. Is it a Self-Published source? Taabii (talk) 13:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I am not sure but their journalist profolios/profile are automatically generated and may contain errors. I wouldn't consider it a reliable source for a comprehensive list of any journalist's article. But I'd consider it fine to put it in an 'external links' section, especially if the profile is a verified one. Ca 14:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ca Thank you for your reply. Taabii (talk) 16:22, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

about create new page

it require article to create new page you might help me to understand Jeandamour.rw (talk) 13:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Jeandamour.rw, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Trying to write an article before you have spent time learning how Misplaced Pages works is likely to lead to disappointment and frustration, and probably a lot of wasted effort.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft..

Looking at Draft:Sheka umubwiriza (which is where your attempted article currently is), it appears that you have done the obvious thing of starting by writing what you about a subject. Unfortunately this is writing the article BACKWARDS - because Misplaced Pages does not have any interest at all in what you know about Umubwiriza (or what I know, or what any random person on the Internet knows). Misplaced Pages is almost only interested in what has been published about him in reliable sources by people completely unconnected with him. Unless you start by finding such sources, you are very likely wasting your time. ColinFine (talk) 14:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

If English is not your first language, I recommend editing in a Misplaced Pages version that is in another language. You can see List of Wikipedias for a list. Ca 14:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Redirect note

When I go to Aliasing_(factorial_experiments) from my Chrome browser, a note appears at the top, (Redirected from Draft:Aliasing (factorial experiments)). This note does not appear in the editor, and also does not appear if I go to the article from within Misplaced Pages. Why does it appear, and how can it be eliminated (or should it)? Johsebb (talk) 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

This note means that you were sent to the article from a redirect page. This is not a problem and likely just means that the page that is saved in your browser is the redirect page and not the actual page. (What probably happened here is that the first time you visited the article, it was a draft, which was then moved to the final article, leaving a redirect.) Again, this is not anything you need to worry about - it is completely normal to be redirected sometimes. TypoEater (talk) 16:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Glitch?

I'm currently working on Draft:Cooper Pants Factory fire, and while updating the "Aftermath" section I noticed that one of the links in the lead bugged out, producing "post-open">Fujita Scalepost-close">" in regular text instead of Fujita Scale. Does anybody else see this? It's been happening for months, and I can't for the life of me figure out what's happening. E_F 16:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

It was in the wikitext, no idea why. I've removed it. Schazjmd (talk) 16:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Hm, that’s… odd. I’m not sure what it is, but I’ll ask around at the VP. E_F 16:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

unblocking request

Can someone help me with request please? Elliyoun (talk) 16:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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