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== God Jul och Gott Nytt År! == == Happy New Year to Misplaced Pages's Founder! ==

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Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! ] (]) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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== Plan B for server location? ==


Could you or your page watchers help me with ]? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.
I've seen people suggest before to move W?F servers and/or the organization for copyright reasons. They are generally told (sometimes by myself) "yeah uuuh no" and I understand that, as US copyright law is "the devil you know".


I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. ] (]) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
After seeing ] with links to articles that say that "new requirements will essentially mandate filters"<ref name="effnaughtylist">{{Cite web|url=https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/disastrous-copyright-proposal-goes-straight-our-naughty-list|title=This Disastrous Copyright Proposal Goes Straight to Our Naughty List (CC BY 3.0)|author=Katharine Trendacosta|date=2020-12-22}}</ref>, an opt-out copyright claim tribunal within the United States Copyright Office will feed copyright trolls<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://torrentfreak.com/us-passes-spending-bill-with-case-act-and-felony-streaming-proposal-201222/|title=US Passes Spending Bill With CASE Act and Felony Streaming Proposal|author=Ernesto Van der Sar|date=2020-12-22}}</ref> and plans that will allow notice-and-staydown of fair use content<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201222/09404045933/senator-tillis-releases-massive-unconstitutional-plan-to-reshape-internet-hollywoods-image.shtml|title=Senator Tillis Releases Massive Unconstitutional Plan To Reshape The Internet In Hollywood's Image|author=Mike Masnick|date=2020-12-22}}</ref> I have to wonder: is there a serious plan B? We know some copyright claims are made in extremely bad faith<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.areadvd.de/news/kampagnen-video-gegen-hd-auf-youtube-geloscht/|title=Kampagnen-Video gegen HD+ auf YouTube gelöscht|author=Karsten Serck|date=2010-08-28}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvXQqnggZWs|title=Die Wahrheit ueber HD Plus (reupload)|date=2010-08-30}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/15/20915688/youtube-copyright-troll-lawsuit-settled-false-dmca-takedown-christopher-brady|title=YouTube gets alleged copyright troll to agree to stop trolling YouTubers|author=Julia Alexander|date=2019-10-15}}</ref> and some are downright moronic.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM6X2MEl7R8|title=warner music claimed my video for defending their copyright in a lawsuit they lost the copyright for|author=]|date=2020-02-06}}</ref> If such "violations" can cost Wiki editors up to the "truly small" sum of $30,000<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/we-have-one-day-tell-congress-not-bankrupt-internet-users|title=Today: Tell Congress Not To Bankrupt Internet Users|author=Katharine Trendacosta and Jason Kelley|date=2020-12-07|quote=For one thing, ] of Georgia said in an open hearing any claim with a $30,000 cap on damages was “truly small.”}}</ref>, wouldn't it be irresponsible to continue hosting a wiki in the US?
:If Godber is not ], which is what the draft reviewers say, then Wikipedians can't fix that. ] (]) 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
We can only hope that Biden will be able to halt ] plans, but if that fails the W?F has a problem. I'm not sure how a wiki could legally operate if filters are required, or if it's even technically feasible. All fair use surely goes out of the window if monitoring uploads becomes mandatory, as fair use uploads for very obvious reasons will trigger those filters.
::] is he "notable" and should we have an entry on him? ] (]) 17:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dunno, but ] wrote that the draft did not show significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject at that point. ] (]) 19:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


== Just wanted to say ==
So to come back to the original question.. Is there a plan B, just in case legal operation in the US becomes legally or technically unfeasible or irresponsible in regard to fines for end users? — <span style="color:#e08020">Alexis Jazz</span> (] or ping me) 11:27, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
:In terms of jurisdiction, we should always remember that sensible copyright rules are a critical part of the legal infrastructure but not the only part. We must also consider a wide range of other issues and the US remains a great jurisdiction due to the First Amendment. And we've been through these kinds of copyright scares before - and emerged victorious. As a result, investing a huge amount of resources in a "plan B" for moving the WMF and all legal and server and staff infrastructure to another country would be premature. It's certainly an interesting "food for thought" mental exercise that many of us have engaged in over the years, but we are very far from needing to make that actual. Even if copyright rules took a turn for the worse in the US, as they already have in Europe (though not really implemented yet, the European Copyright Directive fight that we lost means that bad times are looming in Europe) - there would be time to evaluate seriously and figure out next steps.
:What needs to happen now is not planning to lose, but planning to win.
:I'll add one more thing - it is my personal intention (though of course not within my personal power at all) that Misplaced Pages will survive and thrive, no matter what we have to do to make that happen. If it's moving to another jurisdiction, then it's moving to another jurisdiction.--] (]) 07:16, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you for your level-headed response! Your "planning to win" comment is inspiring. As the EFF commented on the DCA draft:<ref name="effnaughtylist" />
::{{tq|Do not worry too much, though; as ever, EFF will be fighting for the Internet every step of the way, just as we did during the SOPA/PIPA fight with the help of countless Internet users and a broad coalition committed to the free and open Internet. This proposal is far worse than SOPA/PIPA, so our coalition will have to be stronger and more united than ever before. But we can meet that challenge. We—the Internet—must stop this terrible legislation in its tracks.}}
::Where do we start? — <span style="color:#e08020">Alexis Jazz</span> (] or ping me) 12:52, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
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You have created something valuable to everyone on the Internet. I'm sure you get this a lot, but thank you. <br>It may sound weird, but Misplaced Pages has helped me through some tough times. We can never thank you enough for this sometimes infighting, sometimes peaceful, sometimes divided, but always united community You are the backbone of the <s>cabal of editors</s> <b>thriving community</b> that is Misplaced Pages.
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Hi Jimbo, I've responded to on ] and semi-protected your userpage indefinitely for persistent vandalism. This is in response to multiple protections this year, most recently for six months. Indeed, the user page has spent most of 2020 semi-protected. As this goes against the "You can edit this page!" ethos on the page (but not the "please don't vandalise" subtext), I'm leaving a note here so people are aware of it. ] ] ] 15:42, 30 December 2020 (UTC)


For the interested. ] (]) 10:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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Good days, Jimbo. I'd like to say that Chinese Misplaced Pages is introducing ARBCOM System currently, since Arbcom on this project, and in fact all the project is originated from the idea of yours, do you have any opinion for that? Any hints, advice or suggestions? ] 15:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
A Scandinavian municipality seems to be having (for at least the last half year), a hoax listed as its mayor. Please see infobox.<br><br>
Perhaps the following (linked) user , should be '''offered''' a time-limited unblock (on English Wiki), if Misplaced Pages needs one more expert's help?<br>(For the record, he seems to have had a minor (formal) upgrade of his/her status, at German Misplaced Pages, where he/she never has been blocked, it seems.) Happy New Year! ] (]) 06:06, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

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    Happy New Year Jimbo Wales! Wish you luck in 2025! Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 03:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

    Albert Percy Godber

    Happy New Year Jimbo!!! I hope all is well with you and your team.

    Could you or your page watchers help me with Draft:Albert Percy Godber? The draft has been declined and tagged up. It was then deleted years ago. I had it restored today after I came across one of his photos. I think he and his photography are fascinating for capturing aspects of New Zealand's transportation and industrial history. His work is in museum and library collections. At least one of his photographs has been used in a book. He photographed Maori sites.

    I'm sorry I haven't been able to work the draft up enough to get it admitted to mainspace. It does make me wonder about what we do and don't include, our notability criteria, Articles for Creation (AfC) process, and collaborative ethos. Thanks so much for any help or guidance you can offer! Have a great 2025 and beyond. Thanks again. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

    If Godber is not WP:NOTABLE, which is what the draft reviewers say, then Wikipedians can't fix that. Polygnotus (talk) 09:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
    user:Polygnotus is he "notable" and should we have an entry on him? FloridaArmy (talk) 17:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
    I dunno, but User:Sulfurboy wrote that the draft did not show significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject at that point. Polygnotus (talk) 19:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

    Just wanted to say

    You have created something valuable to everyone on the Internet. I'm sure you get this a lot, but thank you.
    It may sound weird, but Misplaced Pages has helped me through some tough times. We can never thank you enough for this sometimes infighting, sometimes peaceful, sometimes divided, but always united community You are the backbone of the cabal of editors thriving community that is Misplaced Pages. I wish I could give you a BarnMilkyWay but no one's come up with that, apparently. (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 00:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Requests for comment/Severe Problems in hewiki

    For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Summary: This document intends to show the problematic situation in Hebrew Misplaced Pages (hewiki), and provide evidence that it has been overtaken by a group of mostly religious and nationalist editors, who prevent others from achieving higher permissions while promoting their own allies. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

    Happy new year

    Good days, Jimbo. I'd like to say that Chinese Misplaced Pages is introducing ARBCOM System currently, since Arbcom on this project, and in fact all the project is originated from the idea of yours, do you have any opinion for that? Any hints, advice or suggestions? -Lemonaka 15:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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