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January 5

00:41, 5 January 2025 review of submission by Coreymo

• Coreymo (talk · contribs) 
  • User:Coreymo/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Can someone assist with getting the article approved and published Coreymo (talk) 00:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

The draft has been rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. It is completely unsourced. Misplaced Pages is not a place for people to tell about themselves and their books. Please see the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 02:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

11:28, 5 January 2025 review of submission by Naveedahmed14700

• Naveedahmed14700 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Lofi Biosphere (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

i think there is much reference in this article as it is a new channel Naveedahmed14700 (talk) 11:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Naveedahmed14700: you don't ask a question, but this draft has been declined, and is now awaiting speedy deletion. It is purely promotional, with no evidence of notability. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

12:26, 5 January 2025 review of submission by Pedrohcs8

• Pedrohcs8 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Mobilygen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am trying to create this article for two months and got it declined for notabilty policies, something that was true about my sources at first, now i switched all to government sources, the company itself (which could be the reason) and a VentureBeat press release. I would like to know if this article is being declined by any of my sources or the notability of the company itself, as it has very little news coverage. Pedrohcs8 (talk) 12:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Pedrohcs8: the sources are the evidence of notability, so in that sense those two are the same thing. Primary sources do not establish notability, and this includes the company itself, any press releases etc. material it puts out, as well as most government sources. We need to see significant coverage in multiple secondary sources (mainly print and broadcast media) that are reliable and entirely independent of the subject.-- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

If it has "little news coverage" that is a strong indicator it is too soon for an article about it. 331dot (talk) 14:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

14:02, 5 January 2025 review of submission by LemmaMe

• LemmaMe (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Trinetix (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi! Could you please suggest which sections or elements of the Trinetix page draft need improvement to align with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines? Your guidance would be helpful. Thank you. LemmaMe (talk) 14:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

LemmaMe What is the general nature of your conflict of interest?

The draft just summarizes the routine activities of the company and tells its offerings. A Misplaced Pages article about a company summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Misplaced Pages definition of a notable company. Awards do not contribute to notability unless the awards themselves merit articles(like Nobel Peace Prize or Academy Award). 331dot (talk) 14:05, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

17:45, 5 January 2025 review of submission by King George Henry

• King George Henry (talk · contribs) 
  • User:King George Henry/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello I need understand Moodle king Charles son? King George Henry (talk) 17:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@King George Henry: I don't know what you're asking, but your draft was declined because it is blank. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:06, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

22:14, 5 January 2025 review of submission by Visualartiste

• Visualartiste (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:The Night Riders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I'm just wondering what sources I have used that are not reliable here? I have used information from the book itself and comments made from the author himself in interviews. Visualartiste (talk) 22:14, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, those are not appropriate. Interviews are not an independent source, and the book itself is only useful for certain information as a primary source. An article should primarily summarize what independent reliable sources say about the book, showing how it is a notable book. For a book, that is usually reviews by professional reviewers. 331dot (talk) 22:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Visualartiste. Misplaced Pages has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Misplaced Pages is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 23:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

22:21, 5 January 2025 review of submission by Greenotter24

• Greenotter24 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Hal Oskarsson (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

is the issue the lack of sources or that the person is not notable enough? it would be great too get clarification Greenotter24 (talk) 22:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Please disclose your connection with this person, see WP:COI and WP:PAID. I see that you took an image of them.

The issue is that the sources you have do not establish that they are a notable person. 331dot (talk) 22:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

January 6

00:46, 6 January 2025 review of submission by 94.192.23.171

• 94.192.23.171 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Emmanuel Kofi Nkansah (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Emmanuel_Kofi_Nkansah

I dont know why this keeps being declined. There are no other sources to add. The record is as accurate as it can get. I do have pictures of his diplomatic passport to add to enrich content but I have looked at other bios and this is the same as theirs. I have referenced external sources but it keeps getting declined?

I disagree with the reasons supplied for the rejection. Check the sources and you will find his name in there. He was a Deputy Minister. Records are very very difficult to come by but those I could get my hands on I have referenced and noted. I will be updating this with his passport and resubmitting but it is unfair to reject based on your reasons submitted.

I can be reached on (Redacted).

Many thanks.

Derek 94.192.23.171 (talk) 00:46, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

There is unreferenced information which needs to be supported.

Some of your citations don't seem to support anything, eg. ref #1 comes after this person's name, and is a newspaper cutting – what is that meant to verify? Similarly, ref #4 apparently supports the statement that this person ran a post office, and to support that you are citing a source that gives the said post office's contact details and opening hours – how does that verify anything other than that such a post office exists?

Also, many of your references are links to other Misplaced Pages articles. You cannot cite Misplaced Pages as a source on Misplaced Pages.

In short, the referencing is a mess, and the draft was correctly declined.

And no, we have no need for pictures of this person's passport. In fact, it is quite inappropriate to upload personal documents like that to Misplaced Pages. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

01:04, 6 January 2025 review of submission by 2001:D08:2181:895F:1:0:94E1:6B31

• 2001:D08:2181:895F:1:0:94E1:6B31 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Gladiator Film Series Duration (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Gladiator (2000) we have 155 minutes & 171 minutes. Gladiator II (2024) we have 148 minutes. Gladiator III (2026) we have 169 minutes.

2001:D08:2181:895F:1:0:94E1:6B31 (talk) 01:04, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

01:14, 6 January 2025 review of submission by 2001:D08:2181:895F:1:0:94E1:6B31

• 2001:D08:2181:895F:1:0:94E1:6B31 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Gladiator Film Series Duration (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Gladiator III film is 169 minutes. 2001:D08:2181:895F:1:0:94E1:6B31 (talk) 01:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you have a question about your draft? cyberdog958 05:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Misplaced Pages does not host original research, nor is it a collection of data. A Misplaced Pages article is a summary of what reliable independent sources have published about a topic, and little else. Unless you can find several articles (in reliable sources) specifically about the durations of Gladiator films, this is a non-starter. ColinFine (talk) 15:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

03:55, 6 January 2025 review of submission by 2001:56B:3FFF:DB0C:EDCB:E6CD:207C:43CA

• 2001:56B:3FFF:DB0C:EDCB:E6CD:207C:43CA (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Muhammad Irfan-Maqsood (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, Muhammad Irfan-Maqsood is well documented in all Iranian media, has been invited twice to national Iranian TV Channel and and is among the three non-Iranians who are listed by the vice president of Iran office as most talented non-Iranian in Iran. Please check the updated references in draft. 2001:56B:3FFF:DB0C:EDCB:E6CD:207C:43CA (talk) 03:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

This draft has been rejected and will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

05:59, 6 January 2025 review of submission by Huythedev

• Huythedev (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Nguyen Binh Khiem High School for the gifted (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for taking the time to review my draft. I am eager to improve it and ensure it meets Misplaced Pages's guidelines. Could you kindly point out the specific errors or areas needing improvement? For example, if there are issues with neutrality, sourcing, formatting, or content depth, please let me know. Your feedback is invaluable, and I’m committed to making the necessary corrections. I appreciate your assistance in helping me refine this article. Thank you! Huythedev (talk) 05:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Huythedev: this draft was declined for lack of evidence that the subject is notable. The relevant notability guideline is WP:ORG. That tells you what sort of sources we would need to see. (Note, however, that the vast majority of schools are not notable, so if you struggle to find sufficient sources, it may be that they simply don't exist.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I understand the notability guidelines, but I wanted to ask if there could be any exceptions for schools with strong local recognition or specific achievements that may not be covered by traditional sources. Is there a possibility for schools like mine to still be considered notable under such circumstances? I would appreciate any advice or suggestions on how to proceed. Thank you for your time! Huythedev (talk) 07:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Huythedev: no, there can be no exceptions, every organisation must satisfy WP:ORG. If appropriate source aren't available, then the subject is not notable enough to warrant inclusion in the encyclopaedia. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

08:00, 6 January 2025 review of submission by Diane Nik

• Diane Nik (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Irakoze Ariane Vanessa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

From all drafts I created, none has been approved. How can I write this article so that it can be approved and published? Kindly help. Diane Nik (talk) 08:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Diane Nik: you need to be a bit more specific than asking how to write an acceptable draft. This draft was most recently declined for insufficient evidence of notability. The relevant guidelines that you need to satisfy are either the general WP:GNG or the special WP:NACTOR ones; study them, and provide evidence that either one is met. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:05, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

09:02, 6 January 2025 review of submission by Gyzouka

• Gyzouka (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Solomon Pavliashvili (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

it is already in Georgian and now we are simply publishing it in English https://ka.wikipedia.org/%E1%83%A1%E1%83%9D%E1%83%9A%E1%83%9D%E1%83%9B%E1%83%9D%E1%83%9C_%E1%83%9E%E1%83%90%E1%83%95%E1%83%9A%E1%83%98%E1%83%90%E1%83%A8%E1%83%95%E1%83%98%E1%83%9A%E1%83%98 Gyzouka (talk) 09:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Gyzouka: this draft has been rejected outright, so clearly you're not publishing it here. Each language version of Misplaced Pages is an entirely separate project. An article existing in one version has no bearing on its acceptability in another. To be included in the English-language Misplaced Pages, a subject must meet our notability etc. requirements. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

09:18, 6 January 2025 review of submission by Managementfirestone

• Managementfirestone (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Hung Wins (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

how do you get the actor page Hung Wins up? Managementfirestone (talk) 09:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Managementfirestone: we have no 'actor pages', but it may be possible to publish an article on this actor if you can demonstrate that they meet either the general WP:GNG or the special WP:NACTOR notability guideline.

IMDb is not a reliable source.

You also must write in a neutral, non-promotional tone.

While you're here, could you please explain the meaning of your username? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:21, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Would this work as a neutral tone?

"

Hung Wins is a Vietnamese-American actor, producer, and entrepreneur, best known for his roles in the television series Bosch: Legacy (2022), Lodge 49 (2018), and This Is Us (2016). He has also appeared in films such as As Luck Would Have It (2021) and Drug Warz. Wins brings a cultural perspective rooted in his heritage of Vietnamese, Chinese, and French descent. He is fluent in Vietnamese, which influences both his personal life and professional work.

Born in a Red Cross refugee camp, Wins immigrated to the United States in 1994 and settled in the Kings Gate area of Sharpstown, Houston, Texas, an environment marked by economic challenges and crime. His early experiences have informed his dedication to his career and his work as a producer and entrepreneur.

In addition to his work in entertainment, Wins has a background in martial arts. He holds a blue belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu from Macaco Gold Team and a red belt in Muay Thai under Cyborg of Chute Boxe. He applies the discipline and focus gained from martial arts to his career and other ventures.

Academically, Wins graduated with high honors from the University of Houston with a B.A. in Psychology. He later earned a Master's in Positive Psychology from Indiana Wesleyan University and is pursuing a second Master's degree in counseling, with the goal of obtaining LPC licensure in Texas.

Wins is also involved in youth development and real estate, focusing on creating opportunities for young people and contributing to his local community. In his personal life, he enjoys writing, cooking, and spending time in nature. He owns a country property in Wharton, Texas, which serves as a retreat for relaxation and reflection." Managementfirestone (talk) 09:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

1. The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or
2. The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. I've cited every TV show primetime slot he has been in along with the exact media coverage and press and articles hes been in how does this not satisfy the conditions for " Entertainers

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   1. The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or
   2. The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment."

Managementfirestone (talk) 09:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

"Would this work as a neutral tone?" Absolutely NOT and it has zero sources. Theroadislong (talk) 10:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Managementfirestone.

Quick summary to writing a successful article about Hung Wins:

1. If you have any connection to him, read and abide by WP:COI. If you are in any way employed or paid in connection with writing this, you must follow the process in WP:PAID.

2. Find reliable independent sources that show that he meets either the criteria in WP:NACTOR or those in WP:GNG. Sources do not have to be in English, but they must be reliably published. Ignore almost anything written, published or commission by Wins or his associates, or based on interviews with him or press releases: Misplaced Pages is basically not interested in what he and his associates say or want to say. see WP:42.

3. If you can't find at least three such, give up.

4. If you can, forget every single thing you know about Wins, and write a neutral summary of what those independent sources say. ColinFine (talk) 15:48, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

10:35, 6 January 2025 review of submission by Hans Muller 90

• Hans Muller 90 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Ideoon.ch (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello I wanted to ask way me wiki page has bin declined? Hans Muller 90 (talk) 10:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Hans Muller 90: your draft (such as it is – a tag line and an external link) was declined because it is in German, whereas this is the English-language Misplaced Pages. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Can I upload it in English? And then on German on German wiki page? Hans Muller 90 (talk) 10:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Hans Muller 90: this is clearly not a viable article draft, regardless of the language. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:04, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

13:49, 6 January 2025 review of submission by Keiraphillips

• Keiraphillips (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Corrine Almeida (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Is there any suggestions you have to improve notability? Keiraphillips (talk) 13:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Keiraphillips: only to say that the notability criteria for academics are enumerated at WP:NACADEMIC, and you need to find the necessary evidence to show that one or more of them is met. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Keiraphillips Notability cannot be improved. A subject either is notable or is not notable. The only thing that can be improved is the demonstration and verification of any notability by dint of excellence of referencing.

This draft was rejected and will not proceed further unless you appeal to the rejecting reviewer and justify why they should consider overturning the rejection. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 13:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

15:52, 6 January 2025 review of submission by SKELETRAP

• SKELETRAP (talk · contribs) 
  • SKELETRAP (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Why my page was declined

SKELETRAP (talk) 15:52, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@SKELETRAP Please do not submit blank submissions. I am somewhat unclear regarding the reason you feel you need to ask about this. The decline rationale could not be more clear. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 15:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

There's actually some confusion here about the user's userpage (since tagged for deletion) and their blank sandbox, which is likely secondary to the issue of an WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. I've tried discussing more on the user's talk page. Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

16:08, 6 January 2025 review of submission by UpwindPlaning

• UpwindPlaning (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Yare and Bure One Design (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This article keeps getting rejected.

It has better sources than many other articles but it keeps being rejected for poor sources. If you look at existing articles for sailing boats eg. RS200 dinghy, you will see that much of what is written is uncited, but this article is fully cited. If it's the quality of the sources that matters, what qualifies as a good source?

In the reliability article it says that self published sources (in this case class association websites) can be used as a source of information when talking about themselves, but elsewhere it says sources must be "independent of the subject", which is conflicting information.

Or perhaps it's because people see it's been rejected so many times and so simply refuse to accept it.

Please help. UpwindPlaning (talk) 16:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

UpwindPlaning Please see other stuff exists. There are many, many inappropriate articles on Misplaced Pages that have gotten past us, for varying reasons(the biggest being that the submission process has not always existed). This cannot justify adding more inappropriate articles. If you could identify these other articles you have seen, we can take action so other editors like you don't see them. We need the help. 331dot (talk) 16:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@UpwindPlaning: the apparent conflict may be because high-quality self-published sources can be used to verify information, but they cannot be used to establish notability; for the latter, sources must (in most cases) be entirely independent of the subject.

We don't decline drafts because they have been declined previously already; that would mean that you would have to get a draft accepted on the first attempt. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

More than happy to accept this if re-submited. Theroadislong (talk) 16:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

17:51, 6 January 2025 review of submission by Disnewuisux

• Disnewuisux (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:South Ferry (Shelter Island) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hey folks! I recently got this draft rejected for not having enough reliable sources. I wholeheartedly believe that this topic should be covered on Misplaced Pages, but I simply cannot find Misplaced Pages-grade sources for the content I need cited. WP:Notability says to merge it into a broader article that it fits into, but I do not believe that such an article exists. I understand the guideline that no reliable sources means it's not notable enough, but I believe that it does meet all other notability criteria in this case. If someone could point me in a direction to get this draft published, that would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Disnewuisux (talk) 17:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Disnewuisux: actually, this was declined for lack of evidence of notability, which is kind of related to but not quite the same as "not having enough reliable sources". We normally need to see three sources that satisfy every aspect of the WP:GNG standard. Your draft cites only two sources, one of which is just an operational update provided by the ferry operator. We need more. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing thanks, I'll see what I can do. Disnewuisux (talk) 17:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

18:09, 6 January 2025 review of submission by AvaMalone

• AvaMalone (talk · contribs) 
  • Avamalone (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

why was it deleted? this is clear information about an existing and evolving individual who not only has her knowledge panel but Google is having trouble with adding information because the information about this individual was incorrectly cited and needed to be rewritten AvaMalone (talk) 18:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@AvaMalone: I assume you are referring to User:AvaMalone/sandbox which was deleted as unambiguously promotional. What Google does or doesn't do is irrelevant to Misplaced Pages, and the mere fact of existing is not a criterion for notability – and Misplaced Pages articles are created about notable topics only. --bonadea contributions talk 18:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@AvaMalone: the draft was entirely promotional, as well as entirely unreferenced, meaning it wasn't based on independent and reliable third party sources, in turn making it, if possible, even more promotional.

What is your relationship with this subject? You had uploaded all the photos in this draft as your own work, so you are clearly collaborating with the subject in a fairly close manner. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

21:02, 6 January 2025 review of submission by 73.229.252.223

• 73.229.252.223 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Christina Lecuyer (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I've been working on this article for months and was told by various people, including one of our editors that the topic was notable. I removed the "peacocking" terms and streamlined the text, but in doing so I've now been declined for not being notable. Every sentence has a citation and many of them are from media outlets. The individual was on national TV and played professional golf...I don't understand how that isn't "notable" or worthy of being on wikipedia. 73.229.252.223 (talk) 21:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

This person is even mentioned in this wikipedia page, which I had intended to link to/from once the article was approved: The Big Break Gottulat (talk) 21:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Can you link to where you were told the person is notable, or say who told you that?

Mere appearance as a professional golfer is not inherently notable, the things most likely to make a golfer meet the notable person definition are at WP:NGOLF. Participation in a TV show isn't inherently notable, either.

The draft mostly discusses her activities, not what independent reliable sources say is important/significant/influential about her. 331dot (talk) 21:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

The editor that told me it was notable is Utopes. I was in the suggested chat forum (forget the name of it) that is always recommended after an article is declined. Utopes was also in there and we had a long chat about the article and what changes should be made. Utopes told me that there was clearly space for this subject on wikipedia and that it was good I hadn't been declined for notability purposes since the point when they had reviewed the article.

I guess I am unsure what I'm missing...listing out what reliable sources say is important/significant/influential is subjective and not necessarily fact based. Just because one outlet says she is a "top confidence coach" doesn't mean I should put that in the article, right?

Additionally, I saw this article of Lori Atsedes was accepted, but it has 1 citation. Lori competed in the same season of The Big Break as my subject and if you read the content of the page, it even mentions my subject... I've spent a great deal of time researching the subject and am just trying to figure out how to do this properly as this is my first foray into wikipedia content. Gottulat (talk) 02:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Gottulat: The article on Atsedes predates the drafting process entirely (first edit: 2007/03/12). Even if it had been drafted, you cannot use the presence, absence, or condition of other articles to argue for your own. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 06:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, @Jéské Couriano. I didn't realize the article I referenced predated the process, that is good to know. Do you have any other suggestions on how I can improve the article? Gottulat (talk) 12:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Gottulat. Thank you for pointing us at the essentially unreferenced and therefore (in Misplaced Pages terms) worthless article Lori Atsedes. Its sole reference meets none of the three criteria of being independent, reliable, and containing significant coverage of Atsedes, and therefore contributes nothing whatsover to that entirely unreferenced article. I have tagged the article accordingly. Whether or not Atsedes actually meets Misplaced Pages's criteria for Notability I have no idea.

The article was created in 2007, long before we had the AFC process. ColinFine (talk) 10:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine Glad I could help, although that wasn't really my intention. I'm trying to figure out what other articles have that mine doesn't. Any guidance would be helpful. Thank you! Gottulat (talk) 12:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Utopes Any clarification you can offer would help. 331dot (talk) 13:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I think I have some recollection on this conversation in IRC. At the time I was waiting for some assistance of my own, and during the wait I took to chatting and a look at the draft as the user was seeking feedback for. I do remember saying that "luckily the first draft was not declined for notability, so there may be space on Misplaced Pages for this subject". I may have also said that the subject "could be notable"; I don't believe I said it was notable with certainty. If I said it was, I would have been inclined to make the necessary changes and pass it myself if I had confidence in it, but I ended up declining the draft for POV reasons as the biased peacock-term usage was jumping out to me immediately and would not have been close to passing in its current state. If I said something that implied the draft was "looking good notability wise", that was a mistake on my part. I do believe I was optimistic in my verbiage though, and that "there is a chance" because "the good news is it was declined for verification, which is easier to fix than a notability-decline". That's about all I can remember. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 18:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hm, it looks like I misread the decline reason, as it seems to have been declined for notability on the first go; my memory is failing me. It did seem like the article had improved after the first declination though, to be triple the original length and with formatted citations by the time I glossed over it, so I was hoping to stay positive on IRC waiting room and speak towards the forward progress being made. It seemed at the time that something could work for this topic. Unfortunately it seems not, sorry. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 18:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Utopes Hi! Yes, you were very optimistic there was space on Misplaced Pages for the article, so I pushed onward and made more necessary adjustments to fix the tone and peacocking. I never really tried to further address the notability as I felt there was substantial citations, such as what I outlined here in this conversation below.

At this point is the article just "dead" and I need to move on? I'm not sure the official process of writing content on Misplaced Pages as this is my first attempt. I would like to learn and make this subject matter what it needs to be to get approved as I feel there is general notability per Misplaced Pages's guidelines. Gottulat (talk) 20:04, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@SafariScribe You've recently rejected my article. I saw that you updated your status to let everyone know you are stressed and dealing with real life matters. I hope all is well in your world. When you get a moment, can you please give me additional guidance on how to improve my article? I see that you rejected it on the premise that it doesn't meet wikipedia's notability standards, but I would beg to differ. Although my subject doesn't quite meet the criteria for subject specific notability (It is very close!), I believe it does meet the criteria for general notability.

I've found significant coverage of the subject in all forms of media (I have 20+ citations) and many of them are reliable and independent sources:

This is mainstream media: NBC Sports (The subject was televised on two seasons of The Big Break) - all of the seasons can still be watched on GolfPass (https://www.golfpass.com/watch/big-break/episode-1-hit-the-ground-running) - I didn't include this link because it requires a subscription, but if someone thinks it is worth including, please let me know.

This is a television news broadcast station: KNWA FOX24

These citations are local newspapers: Edmonton Sun, The Sentinel Record, Arkansas Democrat Gazette

These are magazines: Arkansas Money & Politics, ScoreGolf

And these are golf associations/tournaments: Southlands and LPGA

What else is needed to establish notability? Gottulat (talk) 13:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Gottulat: I haven't looked at your sources, I'm only making a general point: it's not enough for the sources to be secondary, reliable and independent, they must also provide significant coverage of the subject. If it's just passing mentions such as reporting tournament results, that's not enough. Also bear in mind that interviews don't count, since they are the subject talking (ie. primary source, and not independent). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:56, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing Thanks for the info! I definitely have some interview style citations. Could those be hurting the article and thus should be removed? I thought more content is better... If the article was written by a local newspaper but they asked for a comment, that wouldn't be considered an interview would it? Gottulat (talk) 16:02, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@Gottulat: it may seem counter-intuitive, but I would actually say that less content is better. When I'm reviewing a draft that has a few short paragraphs that are straightforward and purely factual, and this is supported by a handful (say, 3-5) solid sources, I can review that in a matter of minutes, and hopefully accept it straight away. If you then add to that ten times more content and ten times more sources, the same acceptable content and the same few sources that establish notability would still be there, but I would have to work so much harder to find them. (And lazy as I am, I would be tempted to just groan and move on to another draft instead.) So no, don't add unnecessary sources that don't either contribute towards notability, or that aren't required to verify information; they could indeed be 'hurting' the draft.

Generally speaking, someone commenting on things does not contribute to their notability, because they are talking about something else. We need to see sources that are talking about this person, not reporting what this person has said about things. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hmm, this is disappointing news. I can definitely see how making editors work harder to find the sources could backfire. Maybe I will try to clean up the content a bit more as I definitely over-cited, and in many instances I have numerous citations for the same piece of information. I guess I don't even know if I can clean it up and resubmit it though...it's been rejected, so it seems the piece is no longer eligible for review. Gottulat (talk) 20:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

January 7

01:17, 7 January 2025 review of submission by Jeanmari1

• Jeanmari1 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Tomorrow's Women (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello! Could you please provide guidance as to how I can rewrite this in a way that would fit Wiki guidelines? Jeanmari1 (talk) 01:17, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Note that, due to restrictions on editing about the Arab-Israeli conflict(see your user talk page) if ever accepted, you could not directly edit the draft until you have 500 edits.

If you are associated with this organization, that needs to be disclosed, see WP:COI and WP:PAID.

The draft reads as if it were on the organization website, just telling what they do and about their personnel. An article about this organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Misplaced Pages definition of a notable organization. 331dot (talk) 01:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Misplaced Pages is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. Consequently, "rewriting" this draft would involve discarding what is there and starting again, from independent reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 10:42, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

03:50, 7 January 2025 review of submission by BPxwz

• BPxwz (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Bintang Capital Partners (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, can I get more guidance on how to improve the drafting so that it will be accepted by wikipedia for publishing? In the current draft, we have cited and made reference to several independent and reliable sources like news sites. It would be great if you can provide more detailed feedback for us. Thank you. BPxwz (talk) 03:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@BPxwz Looks your draft failed on notability because your sources don't demonstrate it. I would read WP:42 it's a good intro to what we look for in sources in order for drafts to demonstrate notability. Hope this helps! TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 04:53, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

07:28, 7 January 2025 review of submission by MexFin

• MexFin (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Disinformation research (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello team!

I am writing to understand more about the decision to reject the draft of disinformation research. I am writing this here because the template used to reject the submission is a bit unclear, and I would like to have more clarity on the precise issue so I can correct it. The template emphasizes three problems with the draft: Informal writing, neutral point of view, and reliable sources.

- Informal writing. Could you please help me understand what exactly you see as informal writing? I would like to know how to correct it.

- Neutral point of view. I even included a section on criticism of this line of research precisely to make it neutral.

- Reliable sources. Could you help me understand which sources are not reliable? I included 38 academic references, all of them from peer-reviewed scholarly sources.

Thank you so much for your help.

MexFin (talk) 07:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @MexFin: the decline templates don't always provide a perfect fit, for instance in this case it could be that not all three issues apply to this draft; for that reason, I'm pinging the reviewer @TheTechie: for any comments they may be able to share.

Part of the problem could be (and I'm mostly guessing here) that, thanks to the subject matter, the terminology is quite 'buzzy', with fake news and filter bubbles and echo chambers etc. This is also perhaps written in the manner of an exposition, discussing recent research, suggesting 'alternative perspectives', etc., rather than as a purely descriptive encyclopaedia article.

Anyway, I won't speculate further; let's wait to hear what TheTechie has to say. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer! I agree that the nature of the article is really about all these buzzy words, but this is precisely what the research field is all about. I would like to hear the recommendations so that i can fix it! :) MexFin (talk) 14:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing @MexFin Yeah the buzzword-type language and some informal text was why I declined. Though I don't remember saying anything about reliable sources though (see this for context). TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 02:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks a lot @TheTechie and @DoubleGrazing for taking the time. I really appreciate it. I will do my best to make the article use less buzzwords. However, the reason why I am using these words is precisely because they represent the phenomenon that "disinformation research" is studying (See table 2 of this research article). You can see in this publication how researchers are trying to make sense of all these partially overlapping terms, for example in Caroline Jack's Lexicon of Lies. The concepts look like peacock terms because these are the words used to discuss them in policymaking circles, academic research, and news media. We read these terms in the news all the time, and academic researchers study the phenomenon using precisely these terms.

I will make the article more neutral, but I kindly ask you to consider that these terms are the part and parcel of the nature of the article.

On a separate note, thank you for your gatekeeping efforts. I truly value the unpaid work of editors just upholding the values of the old Internet. Just be aware that the disinformation field may be closer to Misplaced Pages than it has ever been when now even individual Misplaced Pages editors are targeted by trying to make them/us look like agents spreading disinformation. This technique has been used against journalists but never before against Misplaced Pages editors. MexFin (talk) 06:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@MexFin: thanks for your kind words, and for the note of caution. Yes, when billionaires turn their guns on the likes of Misplaced Pages, and sack entire fact-checking departments, it makes for unsettling mood music.

RE this draft, I don't think there's any reason not to use terminology that comes with the territory, so to speak, as long as it is done to label and discuss the concepts, and not just for 'buzzword bingo' purposes. Which I'm sure was the case here anyway. :) DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @TheTechie and @DoubleGrazing for your kind comments. I revised the article over the last few days according to your comments to make it much less buzzwordy. Although some of these neologisms come with the nature of the article, I think that the current approach make it more encyclopedic. MexFin (talk) 07:46, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

08:55, 7 January 2025 review of submission by Cibra100

• Cibra100 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Oleg Ibrahimoff (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I recently submitted a draft article titled Draft:Oleg Ibrahimoff, which was declined for not meeting the notability criteria. The reviewer mentioned that the references do not demonstrate significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. This article is a translation of an accepted French Misplaced Pages article, and I have included references in French. Could you please review my draft and provide suggestions for improving it so it aligns with the English Misplaced Pages guidelines? Thank you for your help. Cibra100 (talk) 08:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Cibra100: you're asking us to review this draft, but it was reviewed already, and declined. Are you saying that the reviewer got it wrong... or you just didn't like the outcome? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

10:05, 7 January 2025 review of submission by Lawrence Chen

• Lawrence Chen (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Lawrence Chen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am seeking assistance with the Misplaced Pages page of Lawrence Chen because the submission was rejected due to concerns over not meeting Misplaced Pages's notability criteria. I would like guidance on how to better demonstrate his notability by citing reliable, third-party sources and providing more verifiable information to support his inclusion in the encyclopedia. Lawrence Chen (talk) 10:05, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Lawrence Chen You say "I am seeking assistance with the Misplaced Pages page of Lawrence Chen" as if you are not him, but your username is his name. If you are not him, you need to change your username immediately via Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS.

THe draft was rejected, typically meaning that it will not be considered further. The article(the preferred term, not "page") should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about him, showing how he meets the special Misplaced Pages definition of a notable person. It should not merely be a summary of his activities, accomplishments, and qualifications. What do sources say is important about him/you? 331dot (talk) 10:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I also note that you claim to have personally created and own the copyright to the very professional looking image of Mr. Chen. Please clarify. 331dot (talk) 10:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I understand the concern about my username and will take the necessary steps to change it as per your instructions.

Regarding the article draft, I have already provided independent, reliable sources from reputable news outlets such as Lianhe Zaobao, The Straits Times, and Business Insider, which cover my career and achievements. These sources offer significant coverage and highlight key aspects of my professional journey. I will ensure the article focuses on what these third-party sources have emphasized as important to meet Misplaced Pages's notability standards.

As for the image, I would like to clarify that I do own the copyright to the image, but I will ensure it is properly sourced and complies with Misplaced Pages’s guidelines for image usage.

Thank you for your help, and I will make the appropriate adjustments moving forward. 118.189.41.27 (talk) 03:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Feedback Request for Draft on Ludmila Yamalova

Hi everyone,

I’m working on a draft for a Misplaced Pages article about Ludmila Yamalova, a US-qualified lawyer and businesswoman based in Dubai. She is the founder and managing partner of a law firm and has been featured in various media outlets for her legal insights.

I have tried to ensure the article meets Misplaced Pages’s neutrality and notability guidelines, but I’d like some feedback to confirm whether the draft is ready for resubmission. The article includes:

• Her early life, education, and career highlights.
• Media contributions and recognition (e.g., features in The New York Times and Financial Times).
• Specific achievements, like founding one of the first legal podcasts in the MENA region.

Here’s a link to my draft: Draft:Ludmila Yamalova

It would be great help someone could heladdresse following in the context of the draft:

1. Does the article establish notability based on the sources cited?
2. Are there sections that might still come across as promotional or lacking neutrality?
3. Are the references sufficient, or do I need stronger independent coverage? (I have exhausted all the references)

I would greatly appreciate your insights or suggestions to improve the draft before resubmission. Thank you so much for your time! 😊 ~~~~ Aishanijoon (talk) 10:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Aishanijoon: you would get feedback if you submitted this for another review. That's what the AfC process is there for. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I wrote this here because I was suggested to get feedback from editors through Teahouse. But as a new editor, I am unable to post there, and this was the recommended method. I was hoping to get feedback before I resubmit for the third time. :( Aishanijoon (talk) 10:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Poorly sourced, promotional, non neutral and not notable. Theroadislong (talk) 13:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Aishanijoon: my point was, in order for someone to give you feedback, they will have to effectively review the draft. So by asking for feedback, you're asking us to review, but to do so out of process and bypassing the pool of c. 1,800 other pending drafts.

Anyway, now you have feedback, above.

And in terms of feedback to your boss who set you this very challenging task, you may want to show them this: WP:BOSS. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:37, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Aishanijoon: Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques"):

• We can't use https://lovin.co/dubai/en/latest/pda-allowed-in-uae-tiktok/ (unknown provenance). We also can't use the Tiktok video it's citing (connexion to subject, too sparse).
• We can't use https://www.cosmopolitanme.com/career/tiktokers-that-will-help-you-advance-your-career (too sparse). Listicle.
• I can't assess https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/greathomesanddestinations/03iht-redubai03.html (walled). Someone with an NYT subscription will need to assess this source.
• https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/business/global/07dubaibuild.html is useless for notability (too sparse). All it really says about her is she's bringing a lawsuit against Dubai real-estate developers.
• I can't assess any of the Financial Times or Bloomberg articles (walled). Someone with subscriptions to those sources will need to assess them.
• https://www.khaleejtimes.com/coronavirus-pandemic/covid-19-can-uae-employers-force-staff-to-take-the-vaccine is useless for notability (too sparse). Stuff She Says; no actual discussion of her.
• https://www.arabianbusiness.com/startup/academy-focus-on-employment-565065 is useless for notability (too sparse). The whole article verges on being too-short-to-cite, but Yamalova is merely mentioned and not really discussed.
• https://gulfnews.com/living-in-uae/safety-security/uae-introduces-new-domestic-violence-law-stronger-protections-for-victims-tougher-penalties-for-abusers-1.1728559248234 is useless for notability (too sparse). Stuff She Says; no real discussion of her.
• https://gulfnews.com/living-in-uae/ask-us/new-uae-cybercrimes-law-do-you-know-what-can-land-you-in-trouble-1.1652280765797 " " " " (" "). " " "; " " " " ".
• https://www.thenationalnews.com/business/money/2024/10/10/what-to-do-if-your-bank-blocks-end-of-service-gratuity-owing-to-an-unlisted-employer/ " " " " (" "). " " "; " " " " ".
• https://www.thenationalnews.com/uae/2024/02/02/changes-to-eviction-notices-put-dubai-tenants-on-alert/ " " " " (" "). " " "; " " " " ". I'm really not a fan of straight rows of ditto marks.
• We can't use Facebook or any other form of social media (no editorial oversight). At best, these can be used to verify things she said on social media, but they're utterly worthless as a notability citation.
• https://thefinanceworld.com/top-100-expat-business-leaders-in-the-uae/ is borderline. It's a listicle, but the sections are by themselves just big enough to help for notability.
• We can't use https://www.zawya.com/en/press-release/events-and-conferences/second-day-of-knowledge-summit-tackles-development-of-knowledge-economy-balance-in-times-of-crisis-and-fight-against-global-poverty-vaklvabd (no editorial oversight), and even if we could it'd be useless for notability (too sparse). Clearly-labeled press release; Yamalova is only mentioned in passing.

What I can assess isn't any good for notability save for The Finance World. However, given there's five sources that I can't touch, I can't say authoritatively that you haven't met the burden of notability as we define it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 18:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

14:39, 7 January 2025 review of submission by Mwalimuwakwanza

• Mwalimuwakwanza (talk · contribs) 
  • Bio mwalimuwakwanza (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

i need assistance to upload images and certificates as extra resources. also how to separate the content. thanks Mwalimuwakwanza (talk) 14:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Mwalimuwakwanza/sandbox

@Mwalimuwakwanza: you can request files be uploaded at Misplaced Pages:Files for upload or follow very closely the instructions at Misplaced Pages:File upload wizard. However, please keep in mind that certificates and images won't be considered independent, reliable sources sufficient to demonstrating WP:Notability and the first focus of the draft should be establishing this for your topic. Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Mwalimuwakwanza. I'm afraid you're in a very common situation for editors who try the challenging task of creating an article before they have spent much time learning how Misplaced Pages works. Would you enter a tournament the first time you ever picked up a tennis racket?

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

To address your specific concerns: Bobby has answered you about how to upload images, but I want to point out that images are 100% irrelevant to getting a draft accepted. Furthermore, I can think of almost no circumstances where uploading an image of a certificate would be appropriate for a Misplaced Pages article.

A Misplaced Pages article about Mdundo should be a summary of what people who have no connection whatever with him have chosen to publish about him in reliable places - major newspapers, books from reputable publishers etc. That's all. What he says, what his associates say or want to say, what you know about him, are all irrelevant, unless they have been reported on by independent sources.

To write an article about him, your job begins with finding such published sources. Every source should meet all the criteria in WP:42. If you cannot find several such sources, then I'm afraid he does not meet Misplaced Pages's criteria for notability, and you are wasting your time trying to write an article about him. ColinFine (talk) 21:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

16:00, 7 January 2025 review of submission by CarriageFilms

• CarriageFilms (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Joe Pirro (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello! I am trying to create a new page for a film producer who has produced a number of films, been nominated for the top American independent film award, and has been quoted a number of times discussing his projects in independent trade publications like The Hollywood Reporter, Deadline, and Variety, but for some reason the page keeps getting rejected for not being a significant enough figure to warrant a Misplaced Pages page. How can I improve the article to get it approved? I've been looking at other producers' pages of a similar caliber and cannot figure out what I'm missing. CarriageFilms (talk) 16:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@CarriageFilms: the relevant notability guideline is given at WP:FILMMAKER. Which of the criteria does this person meet, and what evidence supports that?

Alternatively, you can establish notability per WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and independent of the subject. Note that Pirro "discussing his projects" does not qualify as independent or secondary.

It is pointless comparing this draft to existing articles (the so-called WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument). Drafts are assessed by reference to current policies and guidelines, which all new articles must meet. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

17:50, 7 January 2025 review of submission by Nadeem7044

• Nadeem7044 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Voice Of Afghan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I submitted a draft about VoiceofAfghan.com, a news website providing content in Pashto and Dari. It was rejected .

Can someone guide me on:

Improving notability with better references. Writing in a neutral tone. Meeting Misplaced Pages’s requirements for such topics.

Thank you! Nadeem7044 (talk) 17:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Nadeem7044: The lack of sources is the most fatal issue. Without sources, you don't have an article. (The subject themselves does not count.) A Misplaced Pages article should be based solely on what third-party reliable sources have written/said about the subject, with citations to those sources. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 18:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Nadeem7044 I'll note that it was "declined", not "rejected". The word "rejected" has a specific meaning in the draft process, it means that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means it may be resubmitted. 331dot (talk) 18:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

20:46, 7 January 2025 review of submission by VelvetEcho 21

• VelvetEcho 21 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Shlomi Raz (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Help me publish this article VelvetEcho 21 (talk) 20:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @VelvetEcho 21, start by reviewing Help:Your first article. Then, conduct research on the topic and collect sources that are independent, secondary and reliable. Once you have those sources, cite to them inline. See the instructions Help:Referencing for beginners. Presently, your draft is void of inline citations, so it appears that you have written the article backwards and thus will have a difficult time improving it. See the guidance at WP:BACKWARDS. Best of luck, Bobby Cohn (talk) 20:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@VelvetEcho 21: This is so blatantly promotional that I will be tagging it for deletion under G11. Other than that, you don't properly cite your sources, and your sources are all useless (most are profiles, one is an interview). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v 20:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

21:07, 7 January 2025 review of submission by Ivinlivin

• Ivinlivin (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:3-Sjøersløpet (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Can someone check the sources used in this article? I just got notified that it's not properly sourced. Can someone double-check this? Ivinlivin (talk) 21:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hwllo, @Ivinlivin.

Which three of your sources are the best, i.e. the ones that are all three of reliable, independent, and containing significant coverage of the subject? - see WP:42 for more explanation. ColinFine (talk) 21:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I would say all of the newspaper sources are good sources; however, most Norwegian newspapers don't have open access. Besides the newspaper ones, I would say:

https://issuu.com/distancerunning/docs/distance_running_2021_edition_3 (see page 20 in this magazine)

https://3sjoers.no/en/ (the home page is pretty good coverage, even though its a primary source)

https://worldsmarathons.com/marathon/3-sj-ersl-pet#about (race information)

https://www.kondis.no/3-sjoerslopet-med-sterke-vinnertider-og-solid-deltakerrekord.6694596-127676.html (one of the newspaper ones, however as mentioned, most of these are not open access) Ivinlivin (talk) 22:38, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

The Distance Running piece might be OK, but I have a couple of concerns. 1) it's not clear how independent it is, and 2) it has no byline, which is often a red flag for reliability. Is it a reporter's own research, or just reproducing information from the organisers? How can one tell?

The second and third links above, no matter how good may be their coverage, are not independent, and therefore cannot contribute in the slightest to establishing notability.

So it comes down to the newspaper sources - as you say, they may be good (meet all three criteria of WP:42), but they are behind paywalls, so I haven't looked at them.

I suggest you ask @SafariScribe, who was the reviewer who declined the draft. ColinFine (talk) 12:18, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for replying @ColinFine. Then I ask @safariscribe to look through these sources more closely? Ivinlivin (talk) 15:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

23:44, 7 January 2025 review of submission by Slapback79070

• Slapback79070 (talk · contribs) 
  • Draft:Amber Nova (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)