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Turkish long-term abuse

Just wondering if Emre19051453 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and the many sockpuppets referred to in the block log are related to the ongoing sockfarm at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/KızılBörü1071 (see the lengthy history at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/KızılBörü1071/Archive also). Thank you. FDW777 (talk) 15:32, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• I commented there. Drmies (talk) 01:12, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll just start the LTA page with KızılBörü1071 in that case. I wasn't 100% sure about Stephan1603 as the edit made wasn't that similar to their usual attempts on that article, I figured checkuser would pick them up as a match without me needing to accuse them. FDW777 (talk) 07:59, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Don't know if the following fit the pattern (this is from a report at WT:MILHIST), but there's clearly a lot of correlation between the following 3 accounts: should I file at SPI?

• BergamottenTee (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• Ödegay31 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• TalhaYunus01 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

And, in any case, SPI or not, all three have been engaging in egregious WP:PA and some action is in order... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:16, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

• @RandomCanadian and Drmies: These are socks. I remember the style of edit-summary on Turkish articles, but I can't remember the sockmaster. I'm going to indef User:BergamottenTee anyway as they're threatening other editors. Black Kite (talk) 02:29, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Black Kite, I saw the block while I was checking around, and I appreciate it. So Talha is blocked now, as a sock of InellectualThinker (talk · contribs)--very inellectual. El C, you may have an interest in this. The other two are not related to each other, as far as I can tell nor do they have anything else going on. Thanks all, Drmies (talk) 02:39, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
    • Oh, wrong master - I was assuming Gala19000. Mind you, they're *very* similar... Black Kite (talk) 02:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
    • Ah well, Special:Contributions/Ödegay31 seemed to be quacking in a megaphone (this is particularly suspicious - "Exactly!"), but if that's all. @Black Kite: You usually don't need to ping an user when you're commenting on their talk page... Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
      • Oh yeah, whoops :) Black Kite (talk) 02:47, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
        • Black Kite, it is entirely possible that you are correct (and, BTW, I am jealous of your memory). Maxim}, maybe you have some ideas here, since you last worked on the Gala19000 case? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:50, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
    • (edit conflict) Drmies, thanks for ping. So, it took a week. Okay. Anyway, as promised, I've set IT's block not to expire. El_C 02:50, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
      • Yes it is Gala19000. I got strange email from his other sock Maistara today.maybe worth to check User:Maistara Shadow4dark (talk) 04:44, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
        • That user is long blocked; if their email was abusive, I'll be happy to remove their email function. Drmies (talk) 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

          Drmies, to respond to your ping earlier, it's not really clear looking at the CU data/logs. The case I looked at in September was confusing too. I'd suggest working with behavioral evidence here if there's anything left to do. Maxim_(talk) 14:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

@Mr.User200: do you have comments? Shadow4dark (talk) 05:58, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thank you for the successive blocks, especially the user who was giving legal threat. This is to let you know that it is much appreciated. Ashleyyoursmile! 19:04, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks, I appreciate it. You're doing well: I feel confident following your lead when you give out warnings and such. Yes, that legal threat, that was kind of dumb, and an easy block to make. Ha, I hope you're not using level 1 warning! Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:06, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

  Thank you for the advice and kind words, I don't use level 1 warning these days for obvious vandals and spammers. They are not worth our time. :) Ashleyyoursmile! 06:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Request for Advice

Hi Drmies, hope you are well! I want to ask your advice on how best to proceed to respond to your comments of February 6, 2021. The page I am helping edit is the only Misplaced Pages page I have edited, so want to be sure that I understand the most appropriate way to respond to your requests and improve the page. So a few questions for you:

1. You commented on several sections that you removed. I understand your concerns and agree with them. Per your recommendations, we will find other "homes" for the information you removed. From what I see, I should thank you for your work and consider those issues closed ... is this correct? 2. Your request to "prune" certain sections and add secondary sourcing is understood and I will do that. Is there anything specific I should do when this work has been completed? 3. I have filed a COI statement for my participation. What happens with that statement and how will I know if there are still concerns with my participation? 4. From what I have read, it appears I should remove the flags at the top of the page when I believe the issues have been addressed. Is this correct, and is there anything else I should do in addition to this?

Thanks for your advice ... Best, amccord — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amccord (talk • contribs) 14:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

• Amccord, I'm running around a bit so I'll take it one thing at a time. Your COI declaration on your user page looks fine to me, and I appreciate you doing it. BTW I didn't really think that you were on payroll, but it's important to note that a COI doesn't require payment. Nothing happens "with" that statement--it's just there so we know. As for the article, some editors/administrators maintain you should not edit the article at all, and that you should propose changes via the talk page, with the "edit request" template. Here, look at this, Misplaced Pages:Edit requests. Personally, I think it depends. Inveterate spammers should stay out of articles, but you are more a goodwilling hobbyist, if you don't mind me saying so, and I have some faith in you. But don't be surprised if others are more wary, OK? I think the IP user who left a note on your talk page and John from Idegon are more strict than I am, and their opinion matters as much as mine. In the meantime, two things: information should be based on reliable, secondary sources, and it's probably best to leave the tags alone for now. Thanks for your note, and good luck. Drmies (talk) 15:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Down Second Avenue

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Thank you for your submission to Misplaced Pages. Bot0612 (talk) 06:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

micronation Draft:Newstonia

The identical content is back again as a draft, on the draft's talk page Draft talk:Newstonia, and as the user page version , although the userpage has since been replaced by the simple statement that the user is the King. Given the identical content and the fact that Mightypug100 claims to be the King (i.e., Blake Smith), the user must be a sock of User:KingBLAKE2021. Meters (talk) 03:30, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

• The sheer stupidity of it. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 04:06, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
  • One can only hope that King Blake will get the point eventually. Meters (talk) 04:09, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
  • The only infinite thing in the Universe... At least that makes it easy to detect. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:09, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Off topic

• As a side note, and since we're already here, mind giving a helpful hand for this? It's not exactly anything pressing, it's just something that needs a whole bunch of annoying page moves (those I list, and then probably a whole bunch more once I check the other categories) and well if I (technically can't at the moment) or somebody else could do it, that'd be a nice way to avoid a wee bit of a backlog of technical requests... Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:24, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

• I am not sure what you are asking. I'll have another look tomorrow, maybe I'll understand it then. Drmies (talk) 04:29, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

• Good night then. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
  • RandomCanadian, sorry, but this is not my area of expertise. I don't know Mjroots was able to help you out, but I'm really not the one to help with this. Drmies (talk) 03:30, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
    • Yeah, fixed, he got around. I was only asking if you could do the page moves (with the inherent deletions) then, to save some time, but anyway fixed for the moment (though there'll probably be a whole bunch once I go through the rest of the category tree so that might be annoying to deal with). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:32, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism report

Please block this user: Special:Diff/1006858076 Golfpecks256 (talk) 05:09, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Not really much point, it's their only edit and I suspect it's a pretty dynamic IP. I have, however, RD3'd the diff and changed your link to a non-mobile diff for ease of use. Primefac (talk) 11:30, 15 February 2021 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

Thanks Primefac. One wonders how, since the deletion of the shortcut WP:ANI 2.0, users I've never heard of before find their way here. Drmies (talk) 13:12, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I've stopped wondering at how or why users find the places they do; the weirdest are things like article-creation requests on the subpages of templates (like, those that aren't even called directly). Primefac (talk) 14:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Ronald Lee Moore

Hi Drmies, can you take a look at this newly created article (Ronald Lee Moore), specifically this section please: Ronald Lee Moore#Serial podcast and check for BLP violations/undue weight/npov? The section takes up almost half the article, and is overly detailed and speculative based on dubious sources consisting of UPI, Medium, Oxygen, Baltimore Sun, and Heavy. Thank you, Some1 (talk) 13:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Doesn't really fall under BLP since he's been dead for over a decade (I believe WP:BDP is at most two years), so you'd really want to look at any potential WP:V violations. Without having read any of the references, I think that the three paragraphs could be shortened to one, summarizing the points of a) a podcast mentioned him, b) there's doubt about it, and c) there's now more interest in possible murders he may have committed. Primefac (talk) 14:05, 15 February 2021 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

Thanks Primefac, I've shortened and summarized it. Some1 (talk) 14:28, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Nice work, Some1. Thank you, and thank you also, Primefac. Drmies (talk) 15:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

BigDwiki block evasion

I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that you intervened at one point regarding User:BigDwiki (given the mutual Alabama interests). An account (User:ManuelLopezz) created a few months ago just quacked loud enough to get my attention. I'd imagine any direct connection to BigDwiki would be stale by now, but what about a connection to User:LambertsCafe, a sock that was blocked last year? I voiced my suspicions here that BigdWiki likely has access to colo or secure VPN connections (IT related job), so not sure how useful checkuser will be in any case. He's well aware of how it works, and could be taking steps to avoid detection.OhNoitsJamie 22:27, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

• I see the big guns showed up. Drmies (talk) 01:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Ha, yes! Nice to see that got handled quickly, appreciate you weighing in. OhNoitsJamie 01:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
• Speaking of ManuelLopez, UTRS appeal #40523 --Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:55, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
  • The sentence in italics, is that the request? Drmies (talk) 15:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
    • Eh? The part after, "Appeal Content". 331dot is dealing with it. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
      • Yes, I see it now, thanks. You know, it's a terrible thing, all these administrators who are just hating on people in their pet topic areas. User:Ohnoitsjamie's well-known hatred of LA is just awful. Drmies (talk) 16:23, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
      • Funny that they never explicitly deny the block evasion. My guess is that they made an effort to avoid using previous IPs in the hopes that checkuser would exonerate them. Unfortunately, they were less clever about edit patterns, topics, and language. Before we move on to other exciting matters, I'm on the fence about the "Federal discrimination lawsuit" section, as it was re-introduced by a sock IP. While I'm opposed to public-relations scrubbing of articles, aren't lawsuits of theis nature somewhat common? I'm leaning toward removing it, per WP:NOTNEWS. The police shooting one is another; I'm not sure we should be including that sort of thing unless it receives wide news coverage.OhNoitsJamie 16:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
        • I'm not sure about that lawsuit either: the narrative is clear as mud, and the sourcing sub-par (only one secondary source; that website should be removed). But the shooting, I can tell you from experience, that was a big deal. You'll notice I cut some of the sourcing (someone thought we should include the Washington Times, and note that headline), but I'm sure better sourcing can be found. It was a very happening thing, for quite a while, not just in Mobile. Drmies (talk) 16:26, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
          • I'd say keep the "Federal discrimination lawsuit" section as it impacted a policy/procedure change on the part of the university. With better sourcing. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:28, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
            • Sounds good to me. OK, back to the more pressing matter of blocking everyone who's ever edited Bay Minette. OhNoitsJamie 16:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

So, I understand my user pages are going to be speedily deleted. I want to thank you for finally doing this. I've been using them for over a decade now, and the more effort I put into them, the more I worried they'll be deleted eventually. Ironically, that meant I kept a low profile on the rest of Misplaced Pages out of fear that my user pages will be discovered and deleted. Which... I guess probably made matters worse?

Anyway, I'm not going to contest the deletions. I've made backups and will be using a spreadsheet after this.

I look forward to resume being a normal contributor to Misplaced Pages, if you will have me. Thanks, and have a good day. <3 Sabre (talk) 17:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

• Sure we'll have you. You sure you got the backups? They're not deleted yet, but I can always go back and save them for you. Please note that I only nominated them, I didn't delete them; I figured I'd have another admin look at them first, but I appreciate you abiding by the rules. Take care, Drmies (talk) 17:14, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Yep, I've got everything, thank you for offering nonetheless. It's the end of an era for me! But it's also been a lifetime since I've been "able" to contribute to Misplaced Pages, so I look forward to it now. :) Sabre (talk) 17:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
    • Well, if you are looking for something to write up--this may be a stretch from what you had, but hey, it's a necessary thing: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Women in Red/Redlist index. ;-) Drmies (talk) 17:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Faith Freedom International

An article that you have been involved in editing—Faith Freedom International—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Snuish2 (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Aspersions

Hi Drmies. Hope all is well. Normally I let the odd negative remark directed at me slide (esp. if it's quite funny), but apparently I'm using WP for propaganda. This is after the same editor said I'm a bully and a racist. The same editor only seems to edit in the same topic area, once a year when the films are named for the Best Foreign Language Film/Best International Film at the Oscars per this. I'd appreciate any help with this. Thanks. Lugnuts 13:45, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

• I left a warning for the obvious personal attacks. I can't really comment on the content, of course; as usual, the best thing is always to have a consensus for how this or that should be done in the form of a talk page discussion, RfC, project page guideline, etc. You know better how to navigate that for these articles than I do. For Macedonia, I think "North Macedonia" is now the way to go--but there also it would be good to have something to point at. Isn't there something along the lines of WP:DERRY? Thanks, and take care, Drmies (talk) 15:06, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Revision of Reiki

I saw you undid my revision to Reiki because it undid "Summer PhD's work". However, his work appeared to involve removing most of the relevant content in the article. While I agree that the article needs improvement, simply deleting most of the content isn't an effective way to do that. --Harimau777 (talk) 02:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I was thinking about the above user's edits and whether we need to do something about them when I saw this in the user history.

Harimau777 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) really likes going through the page histories of articles and restoring old information. See , , , , and .

My first thought was that Harimau777 had originally added the information using a series of usernames and is now socking to retain it, but I am not sure that the evidence for that passes the WP:DUCK test. To me it looks like a simple case of Harimau777really liking going through the page histories of articles and restoring old information.

I am thinking that there is a simple solution: ask Harimau777 to post their proposed changes to the article talk page and discuss them rather than just making the change and getting reverted. Note that Talk:Wing Chun# Restoring Past Deletions was posted one minute after making the change. I am suggesting talking about major changes before making them. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Guy Macon, thank you for looking into this. Harimau777, if you want to claim that in 2015 SummerPhDv2.0 was simply "deleting most of the content", when in fact they were (please don't assume editors are men) carefully editing the article in a series of edits, explaining every single one of them along the way, you have another thing coming. And, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I think Summer and I both probably know a bit more about editing this encyclopedia than you do; between the two of us we have a few hundred thousand edits here compared to your 29. So yes, you may discuss these things on the talk page, but simply restoring huge chunks of content without an explanation and without addressing the issues, that's not OK. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 12:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Can this IP be blocked?

Hello admin, can this 5.109.222.24 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) be blocked as soon as possible? --Ashleyyoursmile! 12:40, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

• Done. Thanks. They'll be back, and I may not be on here for much longer; you can see in Recent changes if anyone else is on call. Drmies (talk) 12:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

  Thank you, will do. :) Ashleyyoursmile! 12:45, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Nine years!

Did you know that I pass this reminder now only to users who edited during the last year? (... because the others can still use last year's reminder, and it saves me the decision if I should remind a banned user which I sometimes do anyway ...) I'm always happy when I can go ahead without checking because I just saw contributions!

Just yesterday I thought of you and your phrase about the wonderful world and "I wish you much patience". I'm loosing it, see Reception of Johann Sebastian Bach's music. Do you see what I see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

• We're all getting older and older, Gerda. Thanks! Yeah, I'm still here, still finding things to do--most recently Abdallah Oumbadougou. No, I don't think I see what you see. I see a single contributor, and a ton of text, and no infobox--what am I missing? Drmies (talk) 15:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

  Who wrote that, the single editor? No. He took the content, 56k+ of prose, images and references from the author, with whom he has an iban and who is blocked. I see - intended or not intended - a massive provocation of the author whose baby that is. The first edit has what is required for attribution, so two admins told me. (It has no diff, just links, so I don't agree that it fulfulls the requirement, but who wants to disagree with admins ;) - The diffs are on the article talk.) - Btw, I have stopped to care about infoboxes in 2015, - it was too bad for my health. I still don't understand why some think the end of civilization is reached because the infobox for Frank Sinatra is now uncollapsed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

  Yes, I understand that now, and I think it is in very, very poor taste. Yes, I looked at the attribution matter and essentially that's good enough, but "good enough" is only for attribution purposes. Morally and collegially speaking, I think it is repugnant, especially given the iBan, and frankly I don't understand it. I have no doubt that we will revisit this at some noticeboard soon. Drmies (talk) 23:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppet

I have seen your messages at User talk:Leafs-fall-around-me and I have a feeling that the editor is possibly evading its block. I am not familiar with figure skating (and I do not know if you are either) but I am with ice hockey. After looking at the edtior's edits I saw that this edit and this edit seem to be from the same person (even the usernames are similar). In ice hockey's case – I thought about some of the blocked editors, but it seems that it is a different person. So I am thinking that this could be someone from the figure skating area. Any blocked editors come to mind if there are any? – Sabbatino (talk) 08:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

• Sabbatino, the account is too old for me to do anything. I see now that there is a similarity between the edits, but it's somewhat general, but the user name, I don't see that. The one leaf is a leaf, the other a hockey player, no? Unfortunately this is the first case of problematic editing in figure skating that I ran into, so I don't have any thoughts about whether this might be someone who's already blocked. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks for answering and clarifying. – Sabbatino (talk) 16:50, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Possible new sockpuppet account of Jinfnff

Hello. I have seen that recently User:Avavavavsucka was blocked for being a sockpuppet of User:Jinfnff. I think the same user has created a new account: User:NotHixeywiki. I believe it is the same person because of the similar name to other accounts that were also blocked for being sockpuppets of Jinfnff. — Telenovelafan215 (talk) 22:13, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

• Telenovelafan215, thank you; I'll have a look. For the record, I have no doubt that Jinfnff is an incarnation, not the master. Drmies (talk) 22:48, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Does Special:Contributions/LeandraValerio ring any bell? They got a hit in the LTA filter, don't know what exactly it is, although the user page is grossly inappropriate. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Also with a link to the same website: Special:Contributions/DewittGonyea908. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:19, 20 February 2021 (UTC)