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This article suffers from some challenges. I may be wrong, though it's quite possible that this article has been infiltrated by ethno-nationalist schools of thought, particularly from Poland and Finland, seeking to portray the Soviet partisans as bad guys. The sections on Poland, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania are about as long, if not longer, than the sections covering the Republic of Russia and certain people who edited this article have sought reduce its scope to a rap sheet of alleged crimes committed by partisans. The article gives the impression that the Soviet partisan movement was as prevalent in Poland and Finland as in Russia. Leonid Grenkevich on p.234 of his book summarizes: "...partisan fighting affected many regions but was particularly prevalent in German occupied Belorussia, the Leningrad, Kalinin, Smolensk and Orel Districts of the Russian Republic, and in the Ukraine. This partisan warfare on so vast a scale was unprecedented in Russian history." So, if the Soviet partisan movement was most prevalent in the Belarus, Ukraine, and the Leningrad, Kalinin, Smolensk and Orel provinces of Russia then I feel that the article should primarily concentrate on those regions. But this article concentrates extraordinarily heavily on Poland, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania - is it because this article has been infiltrated by ethno-nationalist interests from and sympathetic to those countries? Soviet partisans also served in Yugoslavia, and even in Italy but curiously this article doesn't have devote a single word to that fact. The article is in need of fundamental revisionsLegitmateProfit (talk) 01:52, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

While some content may be missing, the bulk of revisions should focus on removing Soviet/Russian unreliable propaganda sources, and verifying the facts with independent Western scholarly work. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:19, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

The article isn't protected -- if you feel some things are missing, then add them in. sam1370 (talk) 21:59, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Be wary of Soviet era sources

Compare this diff, with Soviet era sources on one side, and modern research on the other: . --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:09, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Your reflexive dismissal and prejudice against Russian sources is not something held by actual professional scholars that specialize on this topic, and Russian sources on warfare in Crimea in 1941-1945 are clearly credible and reliable. Nazi German sources such as the observations of Erich von Manstein are also reliable and just because a source is biased doesn't mean that's inherently not trustworthy. We have this from an article appearing in a scientific journal establishing the reliability of sources that you argue should not be used:

Taken from Feferman, Kiril. “The Food Factor as a Possible Catalyst for Holocaust-Related Decisions: The Crimea and the North Caucasus.” War in History, vol. 15, no. 1, 2008, pp. 72–91.

Footnote 36: "For the German view of warfare in the Crimea in 1941, see Klink, "Conduct of Operations"...For Soviet insight into warfare in the peninsula in 1941, see A.Basov, "Krym v Velikoi...1941-1945 (Moscow, 1987)"

Foonote 64: "On the partisan movement in Crimea during the Second World War, see I. Vergasov, "Krymskie Tetradi" (Moscow, 1971); I. Genov "Dnevnik Partizana" (Simferopol, 1963)

Your comment is about a book that's titled Crimea During World War II, a comprehensive account of a particular topic, one that has not been explored very much in English. Unless you can show something specifically refuting the reliability and accuracy of this particular source, it can and should be used for this article.

The version you submitted misleadingly portrays relations with Tatars as representativen of partisan relations with civilians when in fact Russians and Ukrainians formed the majority of the region's population.

You already argued above sans any logic or consistency that sources from Russia shouldn't be used in an article about Russian history, which is bizarre and prejudiced. You also selectively quoted and distorted Statiev's article, which states that "Among all regular and irregular forces that operated in the occupied territories, partisans were the least lethal actor as far as the civilians were concerned...Armia Krajowa also killed more civilians than the partisans did... Given the savagery of war on the Eastern Front, it is striking how few civilians suffered at partisans’ hands as compared to those exterminated by nationalists, let alone Nazi collaborators."AlexanderIvanenko (talk) 18:30, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

• AlexanderIvanenko is very likely another sock by YMB29. Previous throwaway socks that edit-warred this article include LegitimateProft (talk · contribs), LegitimateProfit (talk · contribs) and LegitmateProfit (talk · contribs). Regrettably, filing a SPI for throwaway socks is useless. --Pudeo (talk) 20:26, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
  • FYI follow-up: AlexanderIvanenko blocked due to this SPI: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/LegitimateProfit (made a separate one because not known if YMB29 or Jacob Peters). --Pudeo (talk) 17:35, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

German casualties from Soviet partisans

Are there any estimates for this? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:47, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

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IP edits

Re - please provide a reliable source which backs up the claim that "some of these units were formed with Nazi encouragement".

Also, I also agree that the 500/30 restriction applies here. Volunteer Marek 14:57, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Re this edit summary "The link as sources about it" <-- No it doesn't. The sources/links do not say this at all. Just cause you insert an unbacked claim into the middle of an otherwise sourced sentence, does not make it sourced.

Also, you're on your third IP account now, and have broken WP:3RR. Volunteer Marek 15:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

The blue link for collaborationist does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.204.157.27 (talk) 15:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

The given source disagrees with you: "Musial’s study suggests that the Soviets seldom attacked German military and police targets. They preferred to assault the poorly armed and trained Belarusan and Polish self-defense forces." The Banner talk 15:53, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

IP, please respond to this substantively. And, again, you registering an account would be best, because all of these different IPs is confusing and looks suspect. El_C 11:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

RfPP refactor and 1RR notice

Fully protected for a period of 10 days, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. Converted Ed's 12-hour semi, which I don't think would have done it. Negative, VM, GCB — this looks like a bogus WP:APL ECP request. To my knowledge, there is no "related content" clause as an arbitration remedy for it like there is in WP:ARBPIA4. Polish stuff is just one among many countries covered by that page. And even as a "related content" this request fails. The contested edit isn't about Poland, it's about Belarus.So, please take care not to repeat such requests here, more as a matter of principle than anything, as I don't think any admin would have granted this request — AE shy ones would have stayed away, AE experienced ones would have seen it my way. Will refactor this message on the article talk page, as this place gets archived in a flash. Will also 1RR it up. El_C 11:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

To clarify, the contested edit isn't related to Polonization in Belarus and vice versa, per se., like some legit APL-covered Belarusian edits we've (all three of us + others) been examining a couple of months ago elsewhere. El_C 12:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, maybe it was Ukrainian...? I forget now, but regardless, same thing. El_C 14:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi El_C. You're mistaken here. That particular part of Europe in 1942 was pre-war, pre-1939, occupied Poland, not Belarus. See Occupation of Poland. That’s why the request. - GizzyCatBella🍁 14:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

This map illustrates it well --> - GizzyCatBella🍁 14:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

El_C but 10 day protection is okay - GizzyCatBella🍁 14:36, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Ugh, hate when edit conflicts make me lose everything. Forced to reconstruct more tersely (lazy). I'm sorry, GCB, but "related content" ≠ "related articles." But beyond whatever arcane APL rules are being invoked, I just don't think this particular dispute calls for an indef ECP at this time. Call it my discretion. El_C 14:42, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

El_C - That's totally fine. That area of the pre-war Polish state called Kresy is complicated to grasp unless you dig into it. - GizzyCatBella🍁 02:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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