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I understand some 'educated person' wrote it in a book, but it is still a conclusory opinion that does not bear on actual facts.
I understand some 'educated person' wrote it in a book, but it is still a conclusory opinion that does not bear on actual facts.
This person completely separates the Roman-Cath Chavez from his roots to push a modern political narrative. Just because Chavez didn't explicitly say it, doesn't mean you can then decide what he actually meant. If this is true, Ancient Aliens is now 100% facts. 'Well, the Egyptians never said that Aliens did not build the pyramids, so it is a pretty likely possibility, who cares about the most likely senario when a narrative must be pushed.
This person completely separates the Roman-Cath Chavez from his roots to push a modern political narrative. Just because Chavez didn't explicitly say it, doesn't mean you can then decide what he actually meant. If this is true, Ancient Aliens is now 100% facts. 'Well, the Egyptians never said that Aliens did not build the pyramids, so it is a pretty likely possibility, who cares about the most likely senario when a narrative must be pushed.
== Response ==
Firstly, there are a few grammatical mistakes in your message that make me question your grasp of English. Let's set those aside, though. Your argument that Misplaced Pages editors cannot attribute a meaning to words Chavez did not speak I agree with. The problem is that Chavez effectively did use Christianity for his campaigns. The FBI began receiving informant data as early as 1865 (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-05-30-mn-7622-story.html), where suspicion of misuse of power began within criminal justice and therefore the government. The fact you attempt to debate is widely agreed on by historians, not just in this example. If you can present concrete evidence against something which is inductively sensible, I disagree.
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All locations listed in the article appear to have hyperlinks attached to them except "California" and "Los Angeles", every city/place except these two. This isn't fair and makes it seem that someone is striking out at these locations by not attaching hyperlinks when every other destination/locale has a hyperlink. In the name of fairness and un-biasedness, put the locations "Los Angeles" and "California" in hyperlinks too. It seems suspicious that they were somehow forgotten to be hyperlinked. They are locations too and deserve the same fair treatment as other places listed in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:1A83:5E00:F56D:414E:2486:F089 (talk) 05:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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Not done: The use of the word "schism" implies division, break or splitting, which is different from "dissent" (which does not explicitly imply division). Given the texts are describing divisions with the movements founded by Chavez, it is appropriate. Goldsztajn (talk) 22:14, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
speaking English
Given that Spanish was forbidden at Laguna Dam School in 1933 when Cesario was six, by 1942 when he was 15 would Cesar have been basically fluent in English at that point? WakandaQT (talk) 14:18, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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Change "was an American socialist, labor leader, community organizer, businessman, and Latino American civil rights activist."
to "was an American labor leader, community organizer, businessman, and Latino American civil rights activist."
whoever originally changed it to say he's a socialist did so for political reasons to mislead people into believing that Joe biden added the bust of a "socialist" to the White house. Adakom (talk) 13:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Done – I've reverted the recent addition to the lead sentence, as it isn't supported by the body of the article.--Trystan (talk) 14:45, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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Is "leftist" considered a politically-charged term? If so, possibly consider changing occurrences of "leftist" to a more neutral term - maybe Left-wing (which is the term used by the article that "leftist politics" links to) or similar? DubiousPedantry (talk) 03:03, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
He never met Gandhi, but was simply influenced by him. Adding a picture of Gandhi in response to that is 'children's booking' this section on a very important leader and organizer.
He was influenced only to the extent of the few books he read on him. Gandhi's picture should not precedence over any other possible major influence here, starting with family and ending with Ross and the Father, the actual examples of influences that directly affected him, not this six parts of Kevin Bacon madness people use to show familiar people they like nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.56.178.153 (talk) 05:35, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Political Views Section includes a Blatant Massaging of History to Fit a Modern Narrative
"His point in doing so was not necessarily to proselytise, but to use the socio-political potential of Christianity for his own campaigns"
This is completely non-sense.
I understand some 'educated person' wrote it in a book, but it is still a conclusory opinion that does not bear on actual facts.
This person completely separates the Roman-Cath Chavez from his roots to push a modern political narrative. Just because Chavez didn't explicitly say it, doesn't mean you can then decide what he actually meant. If this is true, Ancient Aliens is now 100% facts. 'Well, the Egyptians never said that Aliens did not build the pyramids, so it is a pretty likely possibility, who cares about the most likely senario when a narrative must be pushed.
Response
Firstly, there are a few grammatical mistakes in your message that make me question your grasp of English. Let's set those aside, though. Your argument that Misplaced Pages editors cannot attribute a meaning to words Chavez did not speak I agree with. The problem is that Chavez effectively did use Christianity for his campaigns. The FBI began receiving informant data as early as 1865 (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-05-30-mn-7622-story.html), where suspicion of misuse of power began within criminal justice and therefore the government. The fact you attempt to debate is widely agreed on by historians, not just in this example. If you can present concrete evidence against something which is inductively sensible, I disagree.
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This article should be moved from "Cesar Chavez" to "César Chávez" to properly reflect the diacritics present in Chávez's name. Folohsor (talk) 03:52, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Not done The problem is that the Cesar Chavez foundation doesn't use them and more importantly neither did Cesar Chavez himself as can be seen in all his signatures. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:19, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Done –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Not done: The use of the word "schism" implies division, break or splitting, which is different from "dissent" (which does not explicitly imply division). Given the texts are describing divisions with the movements founded by Chavez, it is appropriate. Goldsztajn (talk) 22:14, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Not done The problem is that the Cesar Chavez foundation doesn't use them and more importantly neither did Cesar Chavez himself as can be seen in all his signatures. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:19, 31 March 2021 (UTC)