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In october you put this band up for Afd. I was wondering how they meet WP:MUSIC now? For a start they have signed for the same record label as the artic monkeys (I know that might not sound too notable to you but wait for it.............), also they have had an article in the guardian, and appeared on BBC radio 6 music/ Could you tell me if the band are now notable and meet WP:MUSIC? In my opinion they do but I would prefer your opinion RyanPostlethwaite 04:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

• Depending on their educational level, the fathers of you and the boys in this band may well have been to Kendal Grammar School at the same time as me or been taught by my father, Jack Haworth at the Kendal secondary modern school. But that don't gain them any sympathy - I would probably hate their music. In any case, I generally abstain from discussion of bands here. (Who are the Arctic Monkeys anyway?)

But since the article had a solid "delete" vote at AfD, the procedure should be: create a new version of the article at user:Ryanpostlethwaite/Wild beasts incorporating your stuff above; then raise the matter at WP:DRV with a link to your new version. Best of luck. -- RHaworth 06:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you'll know the name Robert Talbot? Think he went to that school, but then also became a teacher himself, in fact one of the band members is his son! Would there be any chance you could fish the article out of the deletion logs and put it into user:Ryanpostlethwaite/Wild beasts for me is there? I think that the article itself was quite good RyanPostlethwaite 17:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

• Can't remember Robert Talbot. I did email you the text but since you ask, I have copied it as well. -- RHaworth 18:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I've requested a deletion review for Wild beasts, and its entry can be found here (at the bottom of the page). I've tried to show how they meet WP:MUSIC in my user section but its been quite tricky! Anyway, guess its in gods hands now! RyanPostlethwaite 20:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• I was intending to abstain from the deletion review - I just have no feelings either way. It seems you don't need my help, but: Please use a different phrase from "critical acclaim" - "References" will do nicely. Make the title Wild Beasts with a capital 'b'. Create some incoming links: special:whatlinkshere/Wild Beasts empty in respect of your beasts. -- RHaworth 08:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

References is much better than critical acclaim, I just couldn't think of a title for the section when I was writing it. I am making references to 'Wild beasts' minus the captital B because thats the title which was originally deleted. If the artile is relisted, i will move it to 'Wild Beasts' ASAP. I've also linked the page from Music in Leeds, I'll do the same for Kendal and I'll have a think about what other pages could link to it RyanPostlethwaite 13:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Removed prod notice

Hi. I removed your prod notice from Firdaus Kharas. It's no longer an autobiography - the original text was unsalvageable so I rewrote. There were more sources available, but due to time constraints I used the first I came across and I stopped at that.

When dealing with a living person already in the encyclopedia, I think it's better to have a very short but sourced article, rather than pages of unverified text that could have come from anywhere.

Personally, I don't feel autobiography is a reason for deletion, but I do agree there are many reasons why it's not a good idea. I don't like letting that cloud judgement of what should and shouldn't be in the encylopedia though. Anyway, you might want to take a look and re-prod, given there is only a single source. I might, if I get time, expand the article later, if the other potential sources I skimmed turn out to be reliable. Cheers, CiaranG 16:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see autobiography made a criterion for speedy deletion and this article supports that view. The only problem is reliably detecting autobios and other self promotion. -- RHaworth 08:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I think, apart from the semantics of it, we are probably singing from the same hymn sheet. The problem with focussing on autobiography is that we only catch the self-promoters who are innocent newcomers to Misplaced Pages. The rest will simply disguise the fact, or get someone else to do the dirty work for them. That's why I prefer to focus on the subject itself. Self promotion isn't so hard to spot though is it? Looking at the original article, I can't see why it wasn't a prime candidate for CSD:G11. Perhaps "promote a company, product, group or service" should be extended to explicity include "person"? CiaranG 08:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

PartsSource LLC

What are the requrments to writing a company bio wiki. Drnjr31 16:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

• Wait until someone with no conflict of interest writes it for you. -- RHaworth 16:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Jyrki Niskanen

Further to your comment at the AFD debate, I have re-written the Jyrki Niskanen article from scratch, and would appreciate your opinions. Thank you. Eludium-q36 18:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks for reverting the vandilism of the pages: List of bus companies and User talk:Arriva436. I'm sure you know what I mean -- Arriva436 20:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Help needed...

Hello. I'm a relative new wikipedian and I have problems with image uploading. Your guess was right - I'm not the creator of the uploaded images, but at that moment I wasn't aware of the tag "Promotional". So now I've uploaded them with the valid tag, but it seems I can't add them to my articles!!! Will you be so kind to explain it to me on my talk page? Dreambringer 09:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• I've already worked out the problem myself:) Still, if you find out that I'm doing something wrong - please explain it to me or give an example of a right action. Dreambringer 09:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The pages you copied from have a clear copyright notice, but the images are patently Nokia promotional material so I am happy with a promotional tag on them. -- RHaworth 15:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for moving my scratch page. How did you find it? Grep'ing for newly created pages that link only from user pages? And, noting your warning at the top about referencing links, of couse I mean: User:PeterStJohn/ScratchPad Peter H. St.John, M.S. 16:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• The name you had given it placed it in the (Main) namespace. It therefore appeared in the special:newpages list which I watch (far too much). How does grep work on Misplaced Pages? -- RHaworth 16:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Man, watching for all new pages sounds like a job and a half. I use "grep" generically, when others might say "google" or "query". I'm intersted in metrics, and wondered if there might be a bot that gives "new pages with links only from user pages" *1*. I'm an old hand at quantitative analysis and the internet itself, but a noob at Wiki. Pete

• *1* don't exist - not really needed. There is Special:Lonelypages - which never seems to work beyond the first 1000 items. See Misplaced Pages:bots re running bots on the live database. -- RHaworth 15:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Straw poll

Please take a look at WP:MALL to which you have contributed, with respect to proposals to merge it with WP:LOCAL, to continue developing it, or to go ahead and implement it as a guideline. Thanks. Edison 21:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The {{inuse}} tag

Please do not edit articles which have an {{inuse}} tag, as you did at Edgar Hardcastle. Such articles are in the process of undergoing a major revision. There is no sense in adding cleanup tags as such articles are already being cleaned up. —Psychonaut 03:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

your prod of Carleton Palmer

Hi there. I saw your prod tag on Carleton Palmer. I wonder if you think that there is a larger problem here, perhaps worthy of AfD. The users Carletonpalmer, Dwecker, and IP User 68.194.181.19 all seem to be related single purpose accounts. They are involved in self-promotion/autobiography. The related articles include Carleton Palmer, David Ecker, ISALTA and Encyclopedia of Living Traditions in Art, perhaps among others.

I welcomed/warned the non-IP users on their talk pages (User talk:Carletonpalmer,User talk:Dwecker) about WP:COI and WP:AUTO but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. I suggest that because subsequently, Carletonpalmer created David Ecker. Also, after you prodded Carleton Palmer, the IP user blanked the page. I don't mean to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I am an anti-spam deletionist. These may be notable topics, but the fact that the authors are the subjects all but guarantees that they cannot be WP:NPOV. I am relatively new here, but I have participated in some AfD related to people writing articles about their own companies.

If this is something you can offer guidance in, I would appreciate your help. I would not rule out a bundled AfD of all of the articles until someone else can come along and create them. I think that I have suggested as much on User talk:Carletonpalmer, where, incidentally, the user deleted a prior nn-warn today. MKoltnow 05:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• If in doubt, AfD them! I strongly believe that all blatant COI articles should go to AfD. Even if the decision is "keep", advertising the article at AfD will often result in third-party input to improve the article. See Jyrki Niskanen above for an excellent example.

Re these, bundle ISALTA and Encyclopedia of Living Traditions in Art in one AfD; David Ecker separately and Carleton Palmer may not need AfD - he has twice blanked the article and I have asked him to be more explicit in requesting its removal. -- RHaworth 15:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. Using the 'pedia for advertising makes my blood boil. Well simmer at least. :) I will probably get moving on this today if I can. Have a great day. MKoltnow 15:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

re: Joel Holland

Regarding this page, the text that was previously there has now been restored. I'm planning to put the article up for AfD (aside from BusinessWeek and only a mere mention in this article, I can't find any notability), unless you want to finish it yourself. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 03:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

And I've done it. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 04:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Business Anthropology ANTHONY GALIMA LEADING BUSINESS ANTHROPOLOGIST

To Whom It May Concern:

I do not know why you would call a Unity 4 Humanity posting, a Business Anthropology Post, a brief biography of a world known Business Anthropologist (William & Mary/University College Oxford), and the defining of The Language of Domains Spam. I happen to Anthony Galima, the inventor, creator, developer, and pioneer of business anthropology.

You my dear Sir, you don't have the slightest clue as to who Anthony Galima is, and what Unity 4 Humanity is doing? The Internet and Television are merging, and Internet Television Broadcasting is being shaped, created, and developed by Business Anthropology and The Language Of Domains. "The Langauage of Domain Names" will unconsciously render search engines semantic in time. The language of domains, creating by Anthony Galima is going to allow search engines to search for context and content--video, flash, media, etc. His redientials are to numbeous to list, and as of now besides numerous published articles; http://www.unity4humanity.com is the home U4H, Inc. the developer of Business Anthropology.

You my dear Sir are limiting and impeding the ability for the truth to be told. Unity 4 Humanity is no different than a Microsoft, or any other corporation. In fact at the very least it is better becasuse Anthony Galima through the development of the Business Anthropology, and with "The Language of Domain Names," is shaping, creating, and developing the future of Internet Broadcasting. The realm of Business Anthropology no longer only concerns consulting corporations, it has to do with the understanding of the youth, and where technology is going.

You did not read any of the entries. You have limited and impeded the ability for truth to be told, and evenually expanded upon. Many people know of Anthony Galima and the emerence of ".tv"/business anthropological awakening. He has given hundreds of global lectures concerning a wide variety of topics. What was submitted to Misplaced Pages was modest, and I think it is a shame a person like you was able to delete many weeks and hours of hard work, collecting data, presinting it in an encyclopedic fashion in a matter of minutes.

I propose you re-evaluate

Unity 4 Humanity (on wikipedia for many weeks) Business Anthropology Anthony Galima Language of Domain Names

if you need further proof, besides Http://www.unity4humanity.com, news article, and the domain real estate center, why doing you see who owns the domain www.businessanthropology.net & .info, see who owns www.DotTVGuide.tv, see who owns www.thelanguageofdomainnames.com, see who owns informationaboutdotcom.com. If you want to contact Mr. Galima, and ask for a copy of his diploma, or perhaps his "Leveling The Linguistic Playing Field: "The Linguistic Capacities and Abilites in Enculturated Great Apes," I'm sure he'll send you a box or two full of credentials. Mr. Galima can be reached directly at unity4humanity@gmail.com. He will be very disappointed when he hears the news that not only hasn't Business anthropology been taken down as a category, so has Unity 4 Humanity.

Mr Galima has already pioneered/created business anthropology and morphed it with existing technologies. His cultural and linguistic anthropological skills have helped him understand the future consuming markets. I suggest you immediately re-instate the valuable information you so hastely took down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.79.127 (talk • contribs) 12:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Rarely have I seen such pretentious nonsense as that which you write. -- RHaworth 11:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC) That is slander. You have no right to make such outlandish statements. My legal associates will be looking into this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.79.127 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

This sure looks like deletable spam to me (after you take care of the legal threat of course). I think I tagged some of this guy's crap too. John Reaves (talk) 14:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree too. Perhaps you could have phrased it in a "nicer" way but I'd have speedied that one too. Best wishes, --Guinnog 14:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Crap? My dear Sir I will send my team of trained killer dolphins to drop a box of credentials upon your head. CiaranG 14:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

His redientials are to numbeous to list,... That cracks me up. Perhaps he meant to write, "His credentials are too nebulous to list..." :-) This rebuttal should be saved as an example of something that causes itself to be ignored. An Anti-meme. Very cool.Pete St.John 15:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

See "wikify!" above. A comment by an anon with no links - notionally I am ignoring this. -- RHaworth 17:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)