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:::*I of course know you are not Essjay. I made an error on his talk page thinking I was responding to him when it was you and already corrected it by drawing the conversation over here. I find this discussion among all of us rather silly to be honest. There's blatant evidence that low edit counts have been a ''routine'' reason for WP:CHU denials. Essjay's now current stance against this rule of thumb makes perfect sense, and I agree with it. But, it is not stated anywhere at WP:CHU. I operated on my observance of WP:CHU over time and my understanding of how bureaucrats handled such requests. Essjay came along and insulted me for it and you expect me to acknowledge I made a mistake when there's nothing published anywhere that I've read to show that I made a mistake ''at the time I made the statements''. As I said above, if I were now to make such statements it would be a mistake since I agree with Essjay's stance. I'm sorry you find my disputing someone else's incivility as uncivil itself. If you can point to what specifically was uncivil in my comments I'd be happy to make amends for it. --] 17:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC) :::*I of course know you are not Essjay. I made an error on his talk page thinking I was responding to him when it was you and already corrected it by drawing the conversation over here. I find this discussion among all of us rather silly to be honest. There's blatant evidence that low edit counts have been a ''routine'' reason for WP:CHU denials. Essjay's now current stance against this rule of thumb makes perfect sense, and I agree with it. But, it is not stated anywhere at WP:CHU. I operated on my observance of WP:CHU over time and my understanding of how bureaucrats handled such requests. Essjay came along and insulted me for it and you expect me to acknowledge I made a mistake when there's nothing published anywhere that I've read to show that I made a mistake ''at the time I made the statements''. As I said above, if I were now to make such statements it would be a mistake since I agree with Essjay's stance. I'm sorry you find my disputing someone else's incivility as uncivil itself. If you can point to what specifically was uncivil in my comments I'd be happy to make amends for it. --] 17:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
*Essjay was hardly uncivil, although we can both agree he made some fairly chafing accusations. However, as I said in my comment, it's only a big issue if you and he choose to make it one, otherwise it's just something to remember in the future. Just, keep in mind that Essjay rarely speaks out about things, and only does so when it really bothers him, so he was not doing what he did to merely be malicious or mean. Cheers, ✎ <span style="font-family: Verdana">] (])</span> 17:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC) *Essjay was hardly uncivil, although we can both agree he made some fairly chafing accusations. However, as I said in my comment, it's only a big issue if you and he choose to make it one, otherwise it's just something to remember in the future. Just, keep in mind that Essjay rarely speaks out about things, and only does so when it really bothers him, so he was not doing what he did to merely be malicious or mean. Cheers, ✎ <span style="font-family: Verdana">] (])</span> 17:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
:*And I rarely take actions that affect users without doing my homework, understanding the policies behind those actions and making sure that what I am doing is the accepted norm. I did all of that before making even my first comment to a user at WP:CHU. I don't run off half-cocked shouting "yeeee hawwww!" and willy nilly take issue with people who happen to have low edit counts. Wanna join me for lunch ]? :-) I'm half tempted to make a caricature of myself as a pencil necked geek hunched over a keyboard saying "ah HA! ANOTHER LOW EDIT COUNT USER!!! FILTH! PWNED!!!!!" This, of course, is hardly me but seems like the vision Essjay has of me. :-) --] 18:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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Old discussions can be found in the archives. ✎ Peter M Dodge (Talk to Me) 01:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

you've got mail

Hi Peter, I just sent you an e-mail, just so you know. --Kyoko 03:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Anthony cfc

Don't worry - I'm not here for another fight :P just to thank you for the spelling fix you made - in answer to your edit summary, no I don't mind - in fact, I'd a thousand times over rather you did fix it than didn't. Kind regards, Anthonycfc 16:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Comments on Essjay's talk page

  • I don't doubt your intentions, myself, Durin - but there is a saying my friend Hannah used to say often - "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." The fact that you've been told you're doing something wrong, and want to argue instead of correcting yourself, well that worries me. People make mistakes - it's human nature. All you need to say is "okay, I'll keep that in mind," and move on. This is only a big issue if you two choose to make it one. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge (Talk to Me) 16:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Did I make a mistake? No. Why? Because it was apparent from the track record (as I cited earlier on Essjay's talk page) at WP:CHU that denying requests for low edit counts was routine and maintained by several bureaucrats. Nevertheless, Essjay assaulted me for it and made rank accusations against me. If I were to now suggest someone be denied their request due to low edit counts, that would be a mistake. I have already acknowledged and agreed with Essjay's stance on the low edit count situation. Accusing people of nefarious intent and editcountitis (as Essjay did) is not a good way to get people to say "Okay, I'll keep that in mind". --Durin 17:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • I of course know you are not Essjay. I made an error on his talk page thinking I was responding to him when it was you and already corrected it by drawing the conversation over here. I find this discussion among all of us rather silly to be honest. There's blatant evidence that low edit counts have been a routine reason for WP:CHU denials. Essjay's now current stance against this rule of thumb makes perfect sense, and I agree with it. But, it is not stated anywhere at WP:CHU. I operated on my observance of WP:CHU over time and my understanding of how bureaucrats handled such requests. Essjay came along and insulted me for it and you expect me to acknowledge I made a mistake when there's nothing published anywhere that I've read to show that I made a mistake at the time I made the statements. As I said above, if I were now to make such statements it would be a mistake since I agree with Essjay's stance. I'm sorry you find my disputing someone else's incivility as uncivil itself. If you can point to what specifically was uncivil in my comments I'd be happy to make amends for it. --Durin 17:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Essjay was hardly uncivil, although we can both agree he made some fairly chafing accusations. However, as I said in my comment, it's only a big issue if you and he choose to make it one, otherwise it's just something to remember in the future. Just, keep in mind that Essjay rarely speaks out about things, and only does so when it really bothers him, so he was not doing what he did to merely be malicious or mean. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge (Talk to Me) 17:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • And I rarely take actions that affect users without doing my homework, understanding the policies behind those actions and making sure that what I am doing is the accepted norm. I did all of that before making even my first comment to a user at WP:CHU. I don't run off half-cocked shouting "yeeee hawwww!" and willy nilly take issue with people who happen to have low edit counts. Wanna join me for lunch here? :-) I'm half tempted to make a caricature of myself as a pencil necked geek hunched over a keyboard saying "ah HA! ANOTHER LOW EDIT COUNT USER!!! FILTH! PWNED!!!!!" This, of course, is hardly me but seems like the vision Essjay has of me. :-) --Durin 18:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)