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==Lord of the Rings== |
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Is there a citation to say this means Sauron? It could mean the One Ring itself, lord of all the other rings. ] (]) 18:46, 4 May 2021 (UTC) |
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: Yes, see ] -- ] (]) 23:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC) |
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::Further to that discussion, there is a parallelism between Frodo and Sauron. Both are missing a finger — the story of Nine-fingered Frodo is how Sam terms it. And they both lose their finger in roughly the same place. The number 9 is emphasised, and this was before the Beatles. There are nine Black Riders, and nine members of the Fellowship. The word "nine" is related to the word "new" as a linguist like Tolkien would have known. The ring-cycle of rebirth. The Shire parallels Mordor, at opposite corners of Middle-earth. They are isolated communities. One is surrounded by a hedge; one is surrounded by mountains. Bag End parallels Bara-dur. Fill in the blanks. There is a seminal paper about this that my roommate hasn't published yet.--] (]) 08:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC) |
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:::That is interesting, indeed. I will note that, in the case of the Fellowship, that their number of nine was explicitly stated by the attendees at the Council of Elrond that their number would be nine, to counter the nine nazgul. Also, do you happen to remember where it says that Isuldur cut off Sauron's finger to obtain the ring? Thx ] (]) 22:55, 10 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::::It seems someone is not reading the text very closely. The Shire is not surrounded by a hedge. (The hedge follows only the land border of Buckland.) Indeed, it is precisely because the Shire is ''not'' isolated that it becomes such easy pickings for Sharkey's ruffians. The Shire and Mordor are not "at opposite corners of Middle-earth"; they are both in the north-western part of the continent, although Mordor is more centrally located. There is a ring-cycle of rebirth? Bag End parallels Barad-dur?? In what sense?? It is exactly this kind of meaningless "fill in the blanks" exercise that leads to the deluge of bad academic papers about Tolkien's writing. (And "nine" and "new" come from different IE roots; that they developed similar-looking forms in some languages appears to be mostly happenstance.) |
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::::To answer the question: Isildur's cutting the Ring from Sauron's hand is described by Elrond at the Council of Elrond in ''The Fellowship of the Ring''. Elrond does not say that a finger was removed, but in "The Black Gate Is Closed" (''The Two Towers''), Frodo says that Isildur cut off the finger of the Enemy, and Gollum confirms that Sauron has only four fingers on the Black Hand. |
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::::-- ] (]) 00:02, 11 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Influence on games == |
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At the moment, Chiswick Chap is on a crusade to purge all mentions of Magic: The Gathering from relevant sections of articles about things that influenced, or are featured in, that game. No rational reason for this has been given except "not a list". If Chiswick Chap wants to cut down on the number of listed games, that's fine, but let's start by cutting the ones that most people have never heard of. The Misplaced Pages article on MtG says it had 35 million players (current, not the total number of people who had ever played) in a fairly recent year. By contrast, the entire Ultima series put together had sold a whopping 2 million copies by 1997, the peak of its popularity. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I am not opposed to a mention of Magic The Gathering as one of the intellectual properties directly influenced by Tolkien's magnum opus on this article, but you need a better rationale then what basically comes down to "Magic The Gathering is super popular and it's influenced by D&D and D&D is influenced by Tolkien, so Tolkien's influence on Magic The Gathering is noteworthy and must be mentioned". That is inappropriate synthesis, and you need reliable sources which specifically connect the direct impact of LOTR to Magic the Gathering to justify the inclusion of a mention on this article. As for your argument about Ultima, or how important/popular Magic the Gathering is as an IP, it is utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. As editors on Misplaced Pages, we don't take sales numbers or data taken from the other Misplaced Pages articles and use them to justify our preferences and support our arguments. Instead, we are supposed to find third party sources like . PS: I removed Ultima after I spot checked the cited source, an IGN article, and discovered that it did not actually mention Ultima, although the other games were specifically discussed. ] (]) 12:55, 28 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Tree Herders (Ents) == |
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== Tree Herders (Ents) == |
One main area in which the article could be improved is by adding more pictures. There are very few pictures in what is quite a long article, and adding a few more would be beneficial, especially in the earlier sections about Tolkien's early drafts and writing process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hvelraj (talk • contribs) 14:23, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
