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		This barnstar is provided to you for your edits on Rajput article.You have done hard work to bring it under Misplaced Pages Neutral point of view policy.I appreciate it.But i suggest just below infobox a single sentence is floating.Place it at right place.Heba Aisha (talk) 16:50, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you so much Heba Aisha. You deserve a barnstar too! Regards, LukeEmily (talk) 08:57, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Vairagya Shatakam of Bhartrhari moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Vairagya Shatakam of Bhartrhari, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Misplaced Pages). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Misplaced Pages's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Loksmythe (talk) 13:19, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I will. Thank you Loksmythe. LukeEmily (talk) 13:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Do you have enough content to not keep this article a stub forever??Heba Aisha (talk) 14:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Heba Aisha, yes, I have the book and the translation. I was thinking of putting a one line summary for each verse.What is stub vs article?LukeEmily (talk) 17:43, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

stub i think are those article which are started by someone but they fail to write more due to various reasons.And it appears like just one or two para definition of the topic.See i have also created 3 new article but they are expanded and i will expand further.Heba Aisha (talk) 00:54, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Editing the archive

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Thanks EdJohnston and User:Ymblanter LukeEmily (talk) 19:05, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

No problem, pls let me know if they continue after the block has expired--Ymblanter (talk) 19:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

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1997kB, thank you for your message. My name is neither Luke nor Emily. This is not a shared account.LukeEmily (talk) 00:14, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

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		Thanks for cleaning up List of massacres in Bihar keep helping in future. Heba Aisha (talk) 13:24, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much Heba Aisha. Will be happy to help if I can whenever needed although I do not know much about Bihar.LukeEmily (talk) 22:24, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

26 september was the date when we started rfc on rajput about origin and the person who had problem left as he was unable to give source. But he may create disruption and game the concensus once again in future.so it will be better to ask for request for closure on WP:ANI on 26 october.As the uninvolved admin will write result based on conversation and it can be used in future for disruptive editors.Heba Aisha (talk) 00:35, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you my dear Fylindfotberserk. Wishing you a Happy Diwali and a prosperous new year too.LukeEmily (talk) 14:19, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi LukeEmily, would you kindly check this recent edit. Also pinging Мастер Шторм. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:08, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, I am looking the sources now. One source there is from Oxford University Press which is a scholarly publication. They have cited W. H. McLeod who seems fine to me. These two citations are ok. They have cited a book from Manohar publication, and I cannot really comment with certainty about this particular source. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 07:46, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Мастер Шторм. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:58, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Мастер Шторм, Fylindfotberserk, they have not provided page numbers for the first source. About the one written by Vanit Nalwa - (Manohar publication) - I am not sure of the author's qualifications although her book is referenced by many other sources. However, she is the direct descendant of the subject. Please see where Susan Snow Wadley writes that Vanit Nalwa is a descendent. Is she considered neutral as per wikipedia standards? LukeEmily (talk) 18:05, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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Can you take a look

Hi Luke, can you take a look at these recent - edits. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:50, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, it is unlikely they were designated a martial race as they were an educated community. I am finding conflicting information in different sources. Will check that mentioned source. Thanks LukeEmily (talk) 09:43, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

OK, take your time and kindly do the needful. That was probably a POV push. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:46, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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hi luke, check sourced content added by me. Bihari Babu is back (talk) 06:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Discussion on bhumihars

Respected editor,The recent addition of texts by Arun Sinha on bhumihar page is clearly wrong and i want to revert this. Shakib khan1985 (talk) 18:58, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I think you mistakenly understood my point on heba`s talk page Shakib khan1985 (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Please the revert the arun kumar references on bhumihar article. Shakib khan1985 (talk) 19:42, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I did not add the Arun Kumar reference. Please can you discuss with Heba? Why is it wrong? LukeEmily (talk) 19:46, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Please guide how can I provide the references links I am talking about????? there seem to be a problem when I copy paste them from external sources.. Shakib khan1985 (talk) 03:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I got certain links from my research on bhumihars from 1809 to 1900 . I have confusion about how to post them on the article’s talk page . Please guide. Shakib khan1985 (talk) 07:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

What is the error? LukeEmily (talk) 08:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

None of the colonial census classified bhumihars as shudras.I want you guys to so show the original census report which classified them as shudras. Shakib khan1985 (talk) 11:29, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Why did you reverted original statement in 1872 census.????? That’s totally academic(real British census) . Shakib khan1985 (talk) 15:35, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

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Do you think, that my new article Bihar under Lalu Prasad Yadav is worth nomination for good article tag?Heba Aisha (talk) 08:40, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Heba Aisha , Don't know much about the topic but will read your page. One thing I noticed is that you are referring to him by first name Lalu in sections. Should it be Yadav?LukeEmily (talk) 12:56, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Ya...but not everytime writers write full name.But you are welcome to do improvements while you'll read. Your feedback will help me.Heba Aisha (talk) 13:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks Fylindfotberserk. Happy Holidays and have a Happy New Year. Regards, LukeEmily (talk) 22:50, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks and have Happy New Year Heba Aisha. Regards, LukeEmily (talk) 22:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks and best wishes for the new year MRRaja001 LukeEmily (talk) 22:52, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks User:245CMR. Have a great new year 2021. LukeEmily (talk) 22:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you Chariotrider555. Heartfelt and warm greetings to you for the new year too. LukeEmily (talk) 22:55, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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Happy New Year Like Emily, I just saw you sent me a message guiding on Twitter rules, I am still learning and will need your help in future. Can you plz come to Shekhar Gupta page for once and check why my edits are being reverted though I provided proper sources many of which are News papers of national repute and the matter is well known in national politics. Ramprakash1000 (talk) 11:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you MRRaja001. Wish you a happy and prosperous new year. LukeEmily (talk) 10:40, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks mate!!! - MRRaja001 10:43, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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Need ur visit here at regular intervals. For some problematic pages. Heba Aisha (talk) 23:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Heba Aisha! Hope you are doing well. I have been very busy in personal life this year and may be busy for the next few months too but will try to at least watch edits more often. Regards, LukeEmily (talk) 09:09, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

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War article without any authentic or credible sources.

Please once see this Battle of Mandan page. Not a single source looks credible. 2 out of 3 the sources are even low rated on Google books and one is by a caste historian. This whole article is a propoganda against reality. Please User:LukeEmily User:HinduKshatrana User:Stiush check it.

Is that Sitush you tried to mention? Anyways, Luke is not online from few days. And regarding the credibility of sources, Heba Aisha is also good in this particular area. HinduKshatrana (talk) 17:34, 6 July 2021 (UTC).

Ranadhira is working there. The basic problem this particular user is pointing towards must be clash of castes. As for example, when i edited one such article called Battle of Mandoli, i found that basic issue there was the pov pushing by Rajput and Jat editors. Heba Aisha (talk) 21:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi sir please see how are these sources even authentic?

References

1) Hooja, Rima (2006). A History of Rajasthan. Rupa and company.

2) Sinh, Ranbir (2001). History of Shekhawats. p. 280.

3) Meharda, B.L. Territory, Polity, and Status- A Study of Shekhawats.

Here 1st source is from some Rupa company, other 2 are from caste writers not credible historians.

User:HinduKshatrana why are these unauthentic sources are allowed on Battle of Mandan site?

User:LukeEmily please see references on this page Battle of Mandan. They are not authentic. Not a single reference is authentic and whole article is based on just Three references. Please see validity of article's authentication.

I agree the sources are not of good quality. LukeEmily (talk) 21:49, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

User:LukeEmily Yes. Not a single source is authentic. Please help on Battle of Mandan.

User:LukeEmily User:Sitush this editor User:Randhira has still added Rupa & Company source in article of Battle of Mandan. How is that Rupa Company source athentic on historical war based article? Even the list of books written by author Hooja seems to be only boasting about Rajasthan state, Maharana Pratap, Princes, Kings, etc. How can it be believed that the author was not biased while writing History-cum-Stories?

User:Heba Aisha please check authenticity of Rupa company source in Battle of Mandan

User:LukeEmily please help for the Rupa Company source on Battle of Mandan how is it reliable for War history ?

User:LukeEmily hello please help regarding Rupa Company source on Battle of Mandan. How can it be reliable for war history?

IP, Please see comment by Ranadhira above, he has given link for the credentials of the author. Hooja is a historian and hence reliable for wikipedia. About Rupa books, I am not sure. There are some publications like Isha books etc. that are not allowed due to circular referencing but I am not sure about the Rupa company. Also, I am not familiar with this topic(Battle of Mandan). You can ask on WP:RSN about Rupa books. The other editor who might be familiar with it is Sajaypal007 as he is familiar with history of Rajasthan. Please can you discuss with them or Sitush directly? If you think her book is a non-academic hagiography, you can discuss that. I will also ping another user who might be able to help with better references. ThanksLukeEmily (talk) 16:09, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Rupa Publication is not some low grade publishing house, I hear that their publishing is cheaper hence many writers prefer them. Rupa publication has published some good books and nonetheless the writer Rima Hooja is a historian and archaelogist herself, she holds Master degree in History and published many papers. As pointed by @LukeEmily, @Ranadhira had already given her credentials. I myself also referred to her book many a times, and I think her work "History of Rajasthan" is really good. Sajaypal007 (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, was a bit confused as to why Rima Hooja is not a credible historian? I have given a link below for you to see. Please do have a look. Since the other citations have been termed caste based, I will remove them and add {{onesource}} for now and improve the article, thanks.

https://www.alumni.cam.ac.uk/travel/dr-rima-hooja Ranadhira (talk) 15:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

sure, thanks. Yes, she is a historian. My apologies.LukeEmily (talk) 16:12, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Luke

Mr. Ekdalian is Kayastha Warrior Even though most of the information is referred to as Bramhin, his love for his own community may not allow him to accept the information. But I want to understand that what is your problem?(I'm not saying it in a bad way)

Bengali kayastha is known as karan-kayastha Karan - baishya father and Sudra mother (Bramha bairbarta Puran) অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা (talk) 18:07, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=YRRnRK8lEYEC&pg=PA100#v=onepage&q&f=false

Check it out.....Thank you অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা (talk) 18:38, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=sPCcDgAAQBAJ&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q&f=false Read this too........ অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা (talk) 19:01, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা, I don't have any problem with anyone. I have already given the source that says they are half-brahmin. Right now, I am only collecting different quotes from the sources - nothing more. Actually, I am trying to find some source that says Baidyas are a subcaste of Brahmins.

(personal opinion) I find it hard to imagine that they are not brahmins given that they were more educated than brahmins(based on the sources I have seen). I don't know about EkDalian but he seems quite senior. But he is discussing quite logically on the talk page and I read his discussions with Sitush also.LukeEmily (talk) 19:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

I think so

You don't understand exactly, so I gave a reference to explain, I asked a question to understand what is happening somewhere.

ekdalian will never be able to write neutral text Sorry to hurt you, hope you read the reference অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা (talk) 20:03, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

I have a PDF version of a book written by a Brahmin scholar, but it is written in Bengali. And these books are rare books Of course, before 1947, some before 1900 But a picture is created throughout everything

Thank you অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা (talk) 20:23, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা Yes, I read the reference about Bengali Baidyas(Brahmin/Vaishya) and kayasthas(vaishya/shudra). I checked the Bengali Kayastha page just now, the vaishya/Shudra mention is present although the source is different. For Baidyas, I also found another reference that says they wear sacred thread. I did find a reference that says that Baidya's ritual status improved to Brahmin. I will put it on the talk page and see what other editors think. I am just trying to understand the sources first as I do not know about the castes in Bengal. I personally do not have problem putting Brahmin on the page because I found at least one high quality source that says it. We can always have RFC if there is any disagreement. You can use your Bengali source on wikipedia. Just add a translation for the quote.LukeEmily (talk) 20:33, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

This side is operated for any other purpose More popular source http://jeevansathi.com অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা (talk) 14:40, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Your shared site is not popular and I don't think that's the right thing to do The site below is somewhat popular But till now the search for the bride and groom through magazines is much more than the search for the bride and groom through the site https://www.jeevansathi.com/bengali-baidya-matrimony-matrimonials#:~:text=Baidyas%20are%20the%20worshippers%20of,intellect%20community%20of%20West%20Bengal অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা (talk) 14:59, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

The link I gave is a bit popular. In the comment above, some unnecessary words have been added for software problem অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা (talk) 15:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Mr.luke

Vaidyas are socially married to the same caste https://www.jeevansathi.com/bengali-baidya-matrimony-matrimonials#:~:text=Baidyas%20are%20the%20worshippers%20of,intellect%20community%20of%20West%20Bengal অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা (talk) 16:38, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা, got it. Thanks for sending the link.LukeEmily (talk) 17:41, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা (talk) 10:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Mr.

Trying to distort the article See the topic. অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা (talk) 06:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

In baidya article "Tranga Bellam" started the edit war, he has a history of edit war, Take action against it. অভিরূপ দাশশর্মা (talk) 10:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

LukeEmily TrangaBellam edited the Baidya page to push his POV WP:SYN is cleary reflected. The source of journals that he used is under payroll and hencevnot verifiable. I have seen he had edit dispute with you as well. Please check tha article thanks. Abhishek Sengupta 24 (talk) 12:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Abhishek Sengupta 24, yes, I will look at this changes he has made.LukeEmily (talk) 16:17, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks LukeEmily, your each and every decisions is valuable for me in this editing. You are the most polite and great editor I have found so fer.Thanks Abhishek Sengupta 24 (talk) 17:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Baidya Article

Since you are a senior editor I urge you to look at that matter.TrangaBellam writing different things but the citations are showing different things. Please check the talk page. Safron710 (talk) 23:22, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

He clearly has some hidden motives. Safron710 (talk) 23:37, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Safron710, We have to assume good faith edits from any editor even if we do not agree with the content. Please see WP:GOODFAITH. Also, admins may interpret it as a personal attack to doubt someone's motives. See WP:NPA. It is best to only focus on the content and the edits rather than the editor. It may just be a simple content dispute. Can you list on the Baidya talk page the list of citations where you think the citation is misrepresented? We can discuss with him on the talk page of Baidya and get them fixed if necessary. If there is a misunderstanding of the sources on any editor's part, it could be a honest mistake.LukeEmily (talk) 01:15, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

LukeEmily I would urge you to start editing the Baidya page.You are a senior editor. I would also start editing with you. Thanks. Abhishek Sengupta 24 (talk) 04:41, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

I have reliable sources as well, which can be used by both of us. Abhishek Sengupta 24 (talk) 04:43, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Abhishek Sengupta 24, I checked the latest status. Their Brahmin origin is explained now. Dutt is also not in footnotes. Do you have any other suggestions?LukeEmily (talk) 12:43, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello LukeEmily,Hope you are doing well.I am sorry to disturb you.In Baidya article,the reference of Julius J. Lipner was accepted.Now it is not present there. Can you add this in relevant position,written by Julius J. Lipner? Quote is here

In Bengal, there are reckoned to be three main upper'castes': the Brahmins, the Baidyas and the Kayasthas. Whilst there is an undisputed Brahmin varna in Bengali society with various sub-divisions and even a developed sense of socio-religious hierarchy within these in some respects, it hardly makes sense to ask to which varna the other two castes belong. Some claim that the Ksatriya and Vaisya varnas have been defunct in Bengal for generations, others that the Baidyas are ex-Brahmins and the Kayasthas are Sudras. Yet Kayasthas have claimed the right to wear the sacred thread (the mark of the twice-born), and have even gone to court to enforce this claim. These are contentious issues and make a mockery of the'fit' between varna and jati in this context.

.Thanks.Regards Satnam2408 (talk) 03:22, 4 August 2021 (UTC).

Hi Satnam2408, Personally, I have no problem if "ex-Brahmin" is there on the page since it is a sourced statement - WP:RS and WP:HISTRS but TrangaBellam has much more context/knowledge/sources about this topic than I do. He/she might have planned to add it later or in some other form. I have not been following their edits on that page recently. I will ask on talk page if they are planning to add it back. I think they are still in process of editing - see Talk:Baidya#Areas_of_improvement but no harm in asking. Also, you can discuss with them directly on the Baidya talk page.LukeEmily (talk) 04:10, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello LukeEmily. I am sorry to disturbe you.In the colonial section of the article a passage is written by TrangaBellam. Baidya social historians like Umesh Chandra Gupta and Dinesh Chandra Sen would support Risley's observation with a measured skepticism and forge a glorious Baidya past, in their quest of writing a history of Bengal from kulanjis — Gupta, in particular, rebuked the Kayasthas for fabricating evidence to malign the Vaidyas as a low caste.. Here is the source. Citation 231, p. 184. I have gone through the page 183-185.At least I have found the text and source inconsistent(the "forge baidya's glorious history part" mentioned by TrangaBellam). TrangaBellam may be true. I would urge you to check it yourself (if possible).I can request TrangaBellam for explanation but I am not familiar with Misplaced Pages rules properly and he has threatened me for WP:AE(Because I have requested him for quote of a easily available source). Thanks. Satnam2408 (talk) 17:38, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Satnam2408. Sure, will take a look. LukeEmily (talk) 17:56, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

HI, ELDER

I SAW THE FULL TACK PAGE,I SAW MR.ABHISEK PROGRESSING THE POST WITH HIS RELIABLE SORCE.YOU WERE ALSO WRITING THE ARTICLE BEAUTIFULLY,BUT THEN A NEWCOMER EDITING BATTLE WITH OTHER MOTIVES , DESTRUCTIVE WRITING CREATES A SOCIAL UNREST, "MISQUOTING" IS A CRIME ( ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF INDIA ALSO),MAKE THE WRITING BEAUTIFUL WITH MR.ABHISHEK, AFTER WATCHING THIS TALK , I SAW

BAIDYA IS A BRAHMIN BIJ (CENSUS 1931 )SO LATER WRITINGS MAY BE A REFLECTION OF VIOLENCE, THE CENSUS IS AN OFFICAL DOCUMENT. BHATTA4 (talk) 19:34, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Gupta/Bhardwaj

Difficult to be sure on mobile but I noticed earlier today a lot of crossover on articles edited by Gupta Ynr with edits by a V.S.bhardwaj, who has now just reappeared on the Bairagi article. There is no way I can run a sock check on mobile but it might be worth a dig as both are clueless & have difficulties with English phrasing, spelling & grammar also. - Sitush (talk) 15:57, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Tanhaji Malsure was a Kshatriya Koli

Tanhaji was a Kshatriya Koli Rajput. Many proofs was given by Akhil Bhartiya Kshatriya Koli Rajput sang if want then I can also give to you sir 😊 An indian ancient philospher (talk) 08:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Difference between celibate ascetics (vairagi)

Article about a celebrate ascetic of vaishnav sect not about the bairagi caste Gupta Ynr (talk) 01:26, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Bhonsle

I edited it recently, but some links are broken. Also, body part seems to be written imperfectly. Heba Aisha (talk) 20:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Heba Aisha.LukeEmily (talk) 17:42, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Baidya

Why aren't the threads getting archived like other talk-pages? TrangaBellam (talk) 18:16, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

TrangaBellam, I was not sure but I made this edit based on a talk page that is getting archived. Hopefully, that should fix it. Kautilya3, do we need to do anything else to fix it? Thanks, LukeEmily (talk) 19:27, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

To tell you the truth, I have never used this method of archiving and don't know if it works. I generally use the MiszaBot, whose code can be found towards the bottom of Talk:Hinduism or my User talk:Kautilya3. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:35, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

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Amara Sullia Rebellion

Hey LukeEmily, I just posted a note about this article in Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Indian history, but I'm not sure how active that project is. Do you know of any other projects that might be a good place to attract more eyes to the article? At the moment it's become a bit of a battleground, hence the AfD and protection. OhNoitsJamie 16:32, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi OhNoitsJamie, not sure where else it can posted. Requesting Kautilya3 and TrangaBellam for any input. LukeEmily (talk) 22:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

It can be posted on WT:INDIA of course. I have it on my watch list too now. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:13, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

This article also shows the U.K. in poor light for its former acts on colonies in this time of globalization—, where I have heard that before? TrangaBellam (talk) 12:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Your recent edit on List of Rajput dynasties and states

The edit of yours on that page has been reverted, please see the talk page List of Rajput dynasties and states. Sajaypal007 (talk) 19:11, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Sajaypal007, ok. Thanks for letting me know. Will check the discussion. LukeEmily (talk) 22:00, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

As I'm sure you have guessed, the IP is Showbiz. I left a comment on the SPI asking for a rangeblock. You may want to comment on Wikiproject India pointing to the discussion. Also note that NPOV means including all viewpoints (which is my real main problem with what SB wants), meaning even if the consensus is to explicitly say X, given the number of scholars arguing the term is applied earlier than it should, that view should be noted as well. Ravensfire (talk) 22:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

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Shivaji and Sanskrit

Hi, LukeEmily. I hope you don't mind for writing this on your talk page.

I hadn't added the Sanskrit related content on Shivaji, but I want to make you aware that Shivaji did promote Sanskrit and Marathi. I don't have much time to make an edit for this. In case you want to make an edit, for a general idea you can check out the second chapter of the book by Sumeet Guha. Here -

Also Shivaji made a lexicon 'Rājavyavahārakośa' that replaced Persian and Arabic terms with their Sanskrit equivalents. You can Google it. Akshaypatill (talk) 05:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Akshaypatil is correct; this is a well known fact. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

TrangaBellam, OK. I was aware of Marathi but was surprised to hear about Sanskrit. Did not know about the Pollock source.LukeEmily (talk) 23:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year

LukeEmily Happy new year. Wish you a happy and prosperous new year ahead. Satnam2408 (talk)

You can archieve it as it is meant for only to wish you. Thanks Satnam2408 (talk) 18:38, 31 December 2021 (UTC).

Thank you and same to you Satnam2408. Forgive me for not replying earlier . Thanks LukeEmily (talk) 20:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Notables

Living person needs "self indetification" means?? can you please elaborate? thank you Nobita456 (talk) 19:35, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Nobita456, please see User:Sitush/Common#Castelists. Basically, the caste claim needs to be sourced from a WP:RS. If that person is currently alive, it has to be a self identification. Examples - the living person could say in the source "I come from a Brahmin family originating in XYZ state", or "I am a Brahmin by heritage" etc. I do not necessarily agree with the rule of self-identification but that is the Misplaced Pages consensus. Thanks, LukeEmily (talk) 20:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

thankyou LukeEmily for your valuable guidance.Nobita456 (talk) 06:06, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

HI,Nobita here

I got your ping at the talk page of Baidya article. I have two things to tell you that's why I came to your talk

1. I am not happy regarding the modern section of Baidya, as I will come to that soon.

2. In the Bengali Kayastha article you Miss presented some words(I believe it was done by you unintentionally). I will catch you soon. good night,Thanks. Nobita456 (talk) 20:22, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Sure, Nobita456. Please let me know your comments. If there is any misrepresentation, we can surely fix it.LukeEmily (talk) 23:55, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

• Good morning luke I am requesting you to Revert the Bengali Kayatsha article with my last edits if I satisfied you about Baidya's ritual status.or add all views of Baidya's varna in mediaeval era including Kulajis and Inscription.thanks Nobita456 (talk) 02:08, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Hey

Please give your views regarding that,Where I forgot to ping you and others.For me this is important to give the views of Rc, I described the reasons for it also there. thanks Nobita456 (talk) 16:03, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Nobita456, I don't have much context about it nor do I have full access to these sources. TB is saying that there is no contradiction in the sources. He has studied this topic deeply because he made the major edits on the page. Can you continue discussion with him?LukeEmily (talk) 23:28, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

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Template

hey lukeEmily may I ask you for a favor? can you please add an infobox template in Baidya article,like it is present in Bengali brahmin and Bengali Kayastha article. we can later find and add a Baidya image with that.thanks Nobita456 (talk) 15:56, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Done. It is not contentious. For the image, we generally do not add any notables.LukeEmily (talk) 16:02, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

please guide me on which images can we use.Nobita456 (talk) 16:04, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Nobita456 , Raj era sources are generally acceptable for images as they are usually neutral and in public domain. Please make sure that any image you use has no copyright issues. Generally a neutral image is preferred. For example, for the Maratha caste, which is or was mostly comprised of farmers, Shivaji's image in the infobox would not be neutral since he does not represent a common maratha. Please see Misplaced Pages:Image_use_policy for details. LukeEmily (talk) 22:21, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks lukeEmily,can you please check Bengali kaystha article.John Henry Hutton is a British administrator and his book originally published in 1946.hence making it not suitable for caste related articles.thanks Nobita456 (talk) 22:26, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Nobita456, I checked his page. Looks like he was a historian/anthropologist and the edition of the book referenced published in after independence as well as by a high quality academic press(it is a new edition ,not a reprint). Anyway, we can discuss with others.LukeEmily (talk) 00:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you luke, for that template. Nobita456 (talk) 16:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, but it was a very small task. Not really worthy of a barnstar :-) - LukeEmily (talk) 22:06, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

its ok. Nobita456 (talk) 22:12, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Notable in baidyas

all notables are well sourced baidyas in their own article.please remove the tag TB told me not to cite them in baidya article as it is already cited in main article. Nobita456 (talk) 02:41, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

OK. Nobita456 . I did not know. Will remove the tag.LukeEmily (talk) 02:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

TB told me not to cite them in baidya article as it is already cited in main article. - Care to provide a diff? TrangaBellam (talk) 05:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:MobileDiff/1069320151 then why you removed those sourced content? they were sourced.if you find any of them unsourced only remove them.you are making it hard for others to edit in wikipedia. Nobita456 (talk)

sources are present at their main article.check them. dont revert sourced content.stop this. Nobita456 (talk) 06:31, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

If you wish to have Amartya Sen mentioned as a notable Baidya, you need to have a source where a reliable source (preferably, Sen himself) notes it. This applies for all cases. TrangaBellam (talk) 08:47, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

TrangaBellam is this reliable enough for Amartya sen? Nobita456 (talk) 14:08, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Help

can you please take care of that newly created vaidya(surname) article? I think that article requires some tags or something like that. Nobita456 (talk) 23:14, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Brahmin Vaidya connection

hey luke brahmins were vaidyas since Vedic ages.this is not Bengali Baidya related where they can draw from various varnas.Rigveda 10.97.6 describe the vaidyas as Bipra(Brahmins).I think you are following my edits.that thing was present in brahmin page since very long.I just renamed it to ayurvedic vaidyas from ayurvedic physicians.dont revert it. Nobita456 (talk) 05:14, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

This is not a caste article it is a varna article.Vaidyas are Bipras(Brahmins) revert your edits.Nobita456 (talk) 05:17, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I am getting concerned with your edits. Vedas are primary sources and Rigveda was added last year for the ayurvedic professions. We cannot write accountants for example because most accountants like Kulkarnis were Brahmins.LukeEmily (talk) 05:19, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

It is about their profession.Brahmins often take Vaidya profession.I have sources.Check Vaidya article and even I have many others.and I am not citing rig veda directly as a primary source check this https://books.google.co.in/books?id=dkmmmlClm5wC&dq=Baidya+bengali+sarasvata&pg=PA110&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false P.110 Nobita456 (talk) 05:22, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I know luke you are not familiar with Indian system.but at least believe in my good faith edits.Nobita456 (talk) 05:24, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

If rigveda mention Vaidyas as brahmins will you still not write it?? Nobita456 (talk) 05:25, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• all Vaidyas are Brahmins but not Brahmins are Vaidyas.source is already given in Vaidya article where they were mentioned suppirior to Brahmins.Please revert your edits.and It is a sacred profession not a random profession, should be there in Brahmin article.Nobita456 (talk) 05:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

all Vaidyas are Brahmins but not Brahmins are Vaidyas. Simply not true. I just showed you sources few hours back that most vaidyas are *not* brahmins but you deleted those sources from the Vaidya page. Are Baidyas brahmins? No. Why did the Bengali Brahmins classify physicians in Bengal as Shudras for 700 years if the Rigveda said otherwise? Only a few Vaidyas are brahmins. Being a Vaidya involves dealing with blood and bodily fluids, would most brahmins be comfortable with that? Rigveda has only two varnas - priests and kings. And it is a primary source. Brahmins are called the priestly/teacher caste not the physician caste. You are desperately trying to promote the Baidya indirectly across wikipedia. Initially I supported you because I assumed good faith but I am now completely in agreement with Ekdalian with his allegations about your POV pushing. LukeEmily (talk) 05:54, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Read the source that is provided in Vaidya article. Vaidyas first have to become brahmins,then after studying ayurveda they can be called as Vaidyas.my all edits are sourced,I don't edit without source.check the source which I added recently in Brahmin page.Brahmins are often associated with sacred medical profession,from vedic times.and as I told you before this is not about bengali baidyas.plase think a little. Nobita456 (talk) 06:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• check all sources and make your decision Luke.thanks Nobita456 (talk) 06:07, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Nobita456 , you can check this source. Link is page 44. It has a complete different view although it quotes from Charak samhita.LukeEmily (talk) 00:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Malocm McLean is a businessman not a scholer.remove his book.thanks Nobita456 (talk) 03:27, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Regarding a community addition to Marathi Brahmin

Hi Luke, Daivadnyas are not Brahmins. They are part of the Vishwakarma or Sonar community. Their Brahmin claims were even rejected by prominent scholars such as Karve, Lele and Naik in their research works. Don't add them to Marathi Brahmins. Go through these research papers Citation 1, Karve Research Citation, Maharashtra, Land and Its People, Hindu Society: An Interpretation, From Ancient to Modern: Religion, Power, and Community in India -Oxford University Press, Pangat, a Feast: Food and Lore from Marathi Kitchens. They claim Brahminhood but they are not considered as Brahmins by Other castes including Brahmins of Karnataka, Goa and Maharashtra. See this they are even claiming they are higher than Deshastha, Konkanastha and Karhade Brahmins. Iravati Karve clearly did complete research about this community and published them in many of her books. Do you know one thing they are even claiming Adi Shankaracharya is a Daivadnya even though everyone knows he was born to Nambudiri Brahmins. - MRRaja001 05:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks MRRaja001, for the sources. That source I added seems to be a fringe opinion. I agree with you. I also checked a source on Gramanya and a group of Brahmins scholars had declared both the GSB - shenvi (the nonvegetarians) and the Daivadnyas as non-Brahmins. In case of Shenvis(GSB), there was a court case later that "resolved" the issue but in Davidnayna nor was there a court case nor did the Brahmins change their verdict. In fact, you can read the quote given in Khatri#Rajasthan,_Gujarat_and_Maharashtra. Treemungalacharya was a sonar. So you are correct. Claiming ritual status higher than the mainstream brahmins of Maharashtra without any proof is absolutely strange. I will try to read up on them and their disputes, but for now, I agree with you.LukeEmily (talk) 20:52, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

MRRaja001, FYI, some of your sources are not WP:RS. Although I agree with you for now based on the other sources I gave a cursory look. Will dig into this more later.LukeEmily (talk) 06:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

LukeEmily Except this citation; all are very good citations and meet WP:RS. Anyways I am ready for discussion on this. Thanks - MRRaja001 07:04, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

MRRaja001 and LukeEmily When it comes to caste, different social groups have tried to claim brahmin, and more often, kshatriya status. In present times, who decides what a community's ritual status is, or that matter for a person? If, for example, a non-hindu community decides enmasse to do Ghar Wapsi and become Hindu then would they be able claim a brahmin or kshatriya status? I am sure they will prefer a higher ritual status than shudra or ati-shudra. This may be hypothetical at present but given the current situation in India, I am sure it will become a reality. Any comments? Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:17, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Jonathansammy, I think we should mention all views given in reliable sources. Their own claim, was there any historic decision by Brahmins as well as what the modern scholars say about the ritual status now(do they have sacred thread ceremony or not). Raj era historians are less reliable. I have not investigated into Daivadnyna community. I do not think we should be blanking out sourced content as long as the source is reliable. I was concerned because this was from an academic source and Oliver Godsmark is a scholar on Indian history - his PhD was in history of Western India. About differing views, Rajputs is a perfect example. It is well known that they were simply tribals or peasants and after gaining political power, started linking themselves with some old Kshatriya races. However, Brahmins of the area (unlike in Western and south India), were generally poor and benefitted from this Sanskritization, hence they supported it. On the other hand, I was recently working on two Bengali caste articles and learnt a few things - it is now well known that the non-Brahmin Bhadralok's of Bengal probably have a significant Brahmin component but due to the absurd two varna system in Bengal(if you are not a Brahmin, you are automatically a shudra) system,Bengali Kayastha and Baidya, whose literacy rate was high were classified as Shudras only because they were not Brahmins. But if you look at the Baidya article, all views have been added. To answer your question specifically, we should not decide anything - we simply quote the sources.LukeEmily (talk) 19:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

LukeEmily Thanks for a quick reply.Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:33, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@LukeEmily and Jonathansammy: The caste system is very rigid. Jonathansammy this doesn't apply to only Brahmins the other communities who are not doing their prescribed duties prescribed by Varnashrama also do not belong to that varna. These established norms are very difficult to change. This applies even now because priests in most of the temples and the people who know shastras are still Brahmins and the people who are claiming to be Brahmins are impractical. Coming to Kshatriyahood, these Rajputs who came somewhere from Europe established themselves as Kshatriyas in the Northwest region, because of this the people who are of the same origin who came along with these Rajputs, who have similar surnames as Rajputs are still claiming to be Rajputs to further claim Kshatriyahood. So, claiming is different from the established fact. LukeEmily, Adding all the communities which claim themselves as Brahmins or Kshatriyas cause a lot of confusion and the article becomes clumsy. Moreover, these same communities which are claiming to be Brahmins never come to fight against non-Brahmins who are degrading these Brahmins. They just want their status to enjoy in society but never want to support Brahmins. Coming to the political scenarios these non-Brahmins who are claiming to be Brahmins always support these non-Brahmin protesters. Moreover, Brahmins are the ones who are suffering because of these things. When the Anti-Brahmin movement took place what were these people who are claiming to be Brahmins doing, did they support Brahmins? Where are these non-Brahmins who are claiming to be Brahmins when the 1948 genocide of Maharashtrian Brahmins that followed M K Gandhi’s assassination happened?. The Marathi Brahmins whom we have mentioned in the Marathi Brahmin article are the ones who suffered in these contexts not Daivdanyas or other non-Brahmin communities who are claiming Brahmin status. - MRRaja001 16:40, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Dear MRRaja001Lots to talk about. Per Ghurye, the caste system was not as rigid before the British arrival. The British ethnographers / census takers wishing to "pigeonhole" people either deliberately, or inadvertently made the caste system rigid. Also in their desire to group the thousands of communities in the four varnas made so many artisan communities to claim Kshatriya status either through their respective caste sabhas and or the court system. These turn of the 20th century events will make a good Misplaced Pages article in itself. Many artisan groups have also created stories based on the Parashurama story. I once heard a story from a man from a Gujarati barber caste about their "Kshatriya status". During genocide against the Kshatriyas, a group of Kshatriyas, in order to save their lives, disguised themselves by picking up the trade of shaving. Indirectly, I have heard of other artisan communities, mainly Guajarati, with similar stories. Most of these groups have been using the term Kshatriya or Arya for nearly a century now. Now coming to the 1948 violence against Maharashtrian Brahmins that followed M K Gandhi’s assassination, given the current demographics of Maharashtra, and the political priorities of different parties, I doubt that there ever will be any official inquiry on the matter.For example, highlighting Hindu on Hindu violence wouldn't fit the BJP's narrative of "hindu unity", and the "bahujan samaj" wouldn't like publicity given to the 1948 crimes of their forefathers. Regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:10, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jonathansammy: Rigid in my sense is not Varna but in terms of profession based Jati system. These Britishers don't know the difference between Varna and Jati. They Mixed up these two and made a big mess out of it. In Maharashtra priesthood was a traditional profession of Deshastha Brahmins, Chitpavan Brahmins and Karhade Brahmins. These are profession based classification rather than Guna in case of Varna system. Coming to 1948 genocide Enquiry on 1948 genocide will never happen until Brahmins come into power. Many Brahmins are poor in Maharashtra now, Maratha-Kunbi community is the richest community and holds 75-80% of Lands in Maharashtra but they have reservations too now. This is the reason these Maratha-Kunbi community are trying to portray that Brahmins are only 4% of population but the fact is Brahmins are more than 9-10% of total population at present. I want to clarify few things here. Mainly there are two divisions among Brahmins throughout India — Pancha-Dravida (Maharashtra, Gujarat and South India) and Pancha-Gauda (rest of India including North India). Other than the list in this, all others who are claiming to be Brahmins are not Brahmins and this is the rigidity and how close knitted this community is. If at all they want to marry they'll marry only with the Brahmins who are listed in this and others are automatically avoided and are not considered Brahmins. - MRRaja001 21:55, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jonathansammy:, creation of Parsuram story for themselves by some caste has no value unless that story is part of the Hindu scriptures and that story is accepted as the origin of that caste by Brahmin religious leaders such as the Shankaracharyas(they will accept it if it part of the scripture as Brahmins cannot reject their own sacred scriptures). The 1948 genocide was not investigated by any Indian governments as far as I know. I do not follow Indian politics but I do not think the BJP was in power at the time after the genocide. Not a single person was punished after the riots. I read Patterson's paper and the primary target were Chitpawans. Deshastha and Karhades got caught up in it too. It is likely that some non-Brahmin people became victims too especially if they had surnames common to Brahmins as the hooligans were not experts in identifying castes. But I don't know. I will comment on the other parts later.LukeEmily (talk) 04:30, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Rajput Clans

You are continuosly editing the lineage section of Rajput clan article while the whole thing was discussed and clearified when I added Suryavansh , Chandravansh , Agnivansh and Battalion section in the article , The thing which you have written regarding the genealogies is very controversial and still there is no proof of that , all Rajput clans have origin from warrior peoples , For example the Parmara dynasty of Malwa was founded by Siyaka who was the General and commander of Rashtrakut Empire , do this clan have tribal origin ? This thing of genealogies was assumed and has no proof , it is not reliable at all The thing which I have written was completely reliable because later many tribal castes adoepd Rajput clan surnames and they do not have any relation with martial rajput families , this is proved thing and its still happening in India , I don't know why you removed my information Reply then we think what we do next Asr99.0979 (talk) 15:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I have written as per the academic sources. It is not my personal opinion. Can you state the source for Parmara etc. We can add those to the page too. Yes, I agree - it is still happening. Can you see the quotes from Eaton and Dube sources?LukeEmily (talk) 00:40, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

But those sources are not reliable at all and they were contradicting themselves, You just announced that Rajput clans were just fabricated but when the concept is not fully proved we should not have to add it , I have readed quotes of Eaton and Dube and I observed that , many of the tribal groups later became Rajputs but that's what I said they had no relation with martial Rajput families , the most and all of the Rajput clans have no tribal origin but you can find the origin of those who later involved in the wave of Rajputisation , Just like i have given example of Parmara dynasty, I have sources of that and even they are available on internet in large quantity , You can not find the tribal origin of Paramara's because they were warrior and ruling peoples from their earliest history , This apply on other Rajput clans as well

that's what I want to say , the thing which is not fully proved and is not reliable , we should not have to add that information , that's misleading Asr99.0979 (talk) 21:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Asr99.0979, They are academic sources. Do you have sources for Parmar clan's origin? I don't have any issue if there are sources with alternative views - they can also be added as you suggest. But they need to high quality (written by historians and published in journals or high quality publications - preferably academic). What Eaton is saying is that some nomadic groups became sedentary, then they fabricated ancestry when they started ruling. You can discuss on the talk page of the article.LukeEmily (talk) 16:46, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes I have lot of sources and even their is seprate article of Parmara dynasty on wikipedia , but the thing is in which manner we edit , should be remove the controversial statement of " origin from tribal groups and fabricated the genealogies " ? or we insert our view by writing "may be" "or" Asr99.0979 (talk) 17:41, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Opposing views by other scholars can be added as per WP:NPOV. As per WP:OR, we cannot add personal views. If the views are held by a minority of scholars or are subjective opinions, we can always attribute them to the scholars. But in this case it does not look like minority view.LukeEmily (talk) 00:03, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Please assume my good faith edits

Hey luke, I am requesting you to assume my good faith edits. I don't want to demote a certain caste. I am just protesting against the POV pushing by Ekdalian, nothing else. I don't have any personal Envy on Kayasthas. Personally, I think they are well educated and did a good contribution to build this modern Bengal.For their high literacy rate I also think they were unfairly degraded by priestly Brahmins from their original varna, but these Aryan theories are clear racism by Ekdalian, The book of Banu was a doubt for me and now see TB also raised concerns on it . This was the reason to put that book in RSN a couple of times. Thanks. Nobita456 (talk) 07:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

• Also please go through this book https://books.google.co.in/books?id=Be3PCvzf-BYC p. 257,258. This was the reason the whole migration considered as a folklore by historians and I also opposed that migration. Nobita456 (talk) 08:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Nobita456 , I agree that Aryan theories should be removed. I think there is a lot of caste wars going on between the Bengali castes (such as Braidya, Bengali Brahmin and Bengali Kayastha) and most editors such as Sitush, TB and myself are really tired trying to resolve conflicts between editors. From what I read, Bengal has only two varnas (Brahmin/Shudra). I think Bengali Kayastha fall in the Shudra varna as per at least some sources. Since wikipedia is not censored, their Shudra status needs to be mentioned. Not sure of Baidya because if they wear sacred thread, then they cannot be shudra but sources are contradictory. It is a bit confusing for someone who does not have context. Anyway, all that editors want is that you and EkDalian work together to resolve disputes amicably.LukeEmily (talk) 07:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

I suggest that you can work on other articles of your interest for some time. Then you can start on caste related pages after may as admins suggest.LukeEmily (talk) 07:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Request for talk page comments

Hello LukeEmily, can you please check my latest version of Bengali Kayastha, which has been reverted by WikiLinuz. I have taken utmost care to avoid any racial element but still keeping the same in line with what the sources say, as also suggested by you. Please drop your remarks in the relevant talk page section! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 08:24, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello Ekdalian, please see Aryan race. These theories have been discredited. You described the Bengali Kayastha and Bengali Brahmin group as Aryans in your edit which may be sourced but the entire theory has been discredited. Also, there is some blanket ban on anything related to genetics on caste articles. Race comes too close to genetics. I don't have any objection to the non-Race related content. Please can you work with Satnam , TB and WikiLinuz for the other issues.LukeEmily (talk) 16:07, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

This line isn't OR ?

@LukeEmily: Hi Good morning, take a look - "The clan can also be found in Mahar caste. Members of the mahar clan also use the clan name as their surname." : Lead More (Clan). The source behind it, is a pdf file of Indian government census of 2011, Indian gov don't do census on Cast basics. Cast is a controversial issue like Racism in our beloved USA. This line 100% OR or POV or personal experience. You can't verify it by that census ref. I don't did anything worng.Success think (talk) 14:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Success think, the statement is well sourced from that source published by the Govt of India. It is not WP:OR by editors. We are simply quoting a source. WP:OR means that as editors we cannot give our own opinions. In the US race is a sensitive issue but as you might be aware that the US Department of Justice does do race based statistics. See https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43. As far as I know the Govt of India does census reporting for backward communities. The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Misplaced Pages to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist. Here, we have a reliable source. It does not mean that all people with name 'More' are from a particular community. It means there are different communities that use the name. It is not offensive nor derogatory in any way. I did not understand why you found it offensive. In the US, many whites and blacks have the same last name also.LukeEmily (talk) 15:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Regarding disputes

Hi Luke, i don't have any grudge against any community, but the thing is Daivadnyas don't have proper stand on what they are claiming. It is well known that they are Goldsmiths community. They call themselves they have descendand from Vishwakarma. If they have descendand from Vishwakarma how can they become Brahmins as per logic. After that they started claiming they are Brahmins but are there any proofs for this. Do you know what this community is called in Konkan region — Konkanastha Rathakara (Sankara Jati means mixed caste of low ritual status). This is the only reason why I started discussing about them. But the case of Saraswats of Western India is different from this. Hope you understood. Sorry mate! - MRRaja001 18:01, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

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