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:Do you believe someone who thinks an eating disorder makes you a "stupid, destructive and evil person" who deserves to experience severe health consequences of that illness is a prime candidate for rewriting this article? ]] 23:04, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
:Do you believe someone who thinks an eating disorder makes you a "stupid, destructive and evil person" who deserves to experience severe health consequences of that illness is a prime candidate for rewriting this article? ]] 23:04, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
:You would benefit from taking the existing advice from 7-8 July in the article history where multiple users already highlighted the ] and ] language in your preferred lead, like "as is typical", "endured wave after wave", "memorialized his fidelity", etc. I fail to see how your proposed revisions improve the current lead, notwithstanding the unconvincing assertion of a "right to lifer" bias. --] (]) 23:31, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
:You would benefit from taking the existing advice from 7-8 July in the article history where multiple users already highlighted the ] and ] language in your preferred lead, like "as is typical", "endured wave after wave", "memorialized his fidelity", etc. I fail to see how your proposed revisions improve the current lead, notwithstanding the unconvincing assertion of a "right to lifer" bias. --] (]) 23:31, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
== Grammar ==
@], why did you revert the edit? This is how I know it in English grammar. "Low" in the original sentence acts as a noun. Therefore, it cannot have an adverb modifying it. Adverbs only modify verbs, adjectives and other adverbs as far as I know. It also would make "an" obsolete as what follows it isn't a noun or noun phrase. My revision changes "low" to an adjective and therefore, having "abnormally" before it makes it grammatically correct and does not at all affect the original message. Why then would you revert it? — ] (]) 22:51, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
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other neurologists (removed from "initial medical" paragraph)
Other neurologists—Drs. Jeffery M. Karp, James H. Barnhill, and Thomas H. Harrison—also examined Terri over the years and made the same diagnosis; they also shared an opinion about her very poor chances for recovery. Dr. Ronald Cranford, a neurologist and expert on coma and unconsciousness, testified in 2005 that nothing in the medical records suggested disagreement among Terri’s physicians about the underlying diagnosis.
-It's not mentioned directly, but the article says that all federal appeals where denied. I have not problem with putting specific information about the case in the body of the article, but I don't see why we need an info box. Ace-o-aces2 (talk) 16:09, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
I think we should have a section early on that cites each court case. Maybe not the TROs or appeals (which were all denied), but all of the cases where discovery occurred, with links to all of the decisions. You know: like an order of battle. Those decisions will review all of the relevant evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.33.116 (talk) 14:38, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
EARLY LIFE
It states she grew up in the Philadelphia area, though it says she went to Brebeuf Jesuit Preparatory School which is in Indianapolis Indiana. Is this an error?
This appears to be an error. The section on her early life needs some revision. If I get a free moment today, I'll get to fixing Ace-o-aces2 (talk) 17:39, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
Requested move 5 July 2021
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But the whole point of WP:DEATHS is to not just have the person's name because the person is primarily a victim of some sort and has no notable accomplishments or deeds so the article is not a typical biography. They would definitely be non-notable if they were still alive. You might also include in the list Trayvon Martin, Henrietta Lacks, George Floyd. You look up George Floyd in Google and it says he is a hip-hop artist. That is not why he is notable! Dred Scott should not be renamed because he actually did something. It is not to rob them of their humanity; it is just good labeling, especially for the user browsing in the categories or searching by prefix. We all want to feel sorry for these victims but this is about ease-of-use. With your way of thinking we would just have Breonna Taylor; EMT, first responder, community hero, self-made success but we don't have a biography or her. You might argue that most articles in Category:Victims should be renamed to the "Case of" prefix if they are not otherwise covered by WP:DEATHS..--Pages777 (talk) 12:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
There are legal cases that are similar but simpler, such as Cruzan v. Director, Missouri Department of Health. In Schiavo, there are multiple court cases and it is inappropriate to settle on just one. Also, in the Kent Cochrane article, it has a "Biography" section that is two sentences long. The rest is about the medical "case". With the "case" name on the the article title, then Google gets it right: they describe it as a "legal case" not a person. Not a sexy young healthy female but a drooling expensive not-so-sexy vegatable. It is about adulthood, marriage, law and order, conflict resolution and education, not about gladitorial-like entertainment. It is about what a lie religion is. It is about every single marital issue not turning into another Hatfield's and McCoys family feud. It is more about Michael than it is about Terri. Why? Because if you study Michael, you learn something of value and wisdom and stuff like that but if you study Terri you learn about how to work for an insurance company. It is those right-to-lifers and bad lawmakers that got Terri's name so much press coverage. Otherwise, this article could have been called the "Michael Schiavo case". I am serious: I added text to the end of the article to make it a little more clear that perhaps Michael is the more relevant victim and Terri deserves no more sympathy than she got in the press in 1990, which is almost zero. Oh, you learn one thing of value from Terri: do not drink too much ice tea. We fail to make it clear that she is responsible for causing this whole mess in the first place. Why did she do it? Vanity. She just was worried about her own selfish social status a a slender woman. In my book, that makes her a stupid, destructive and evil person, no better than any vandal with a can of spray paint. She earned the privilege of being stripped of her personhood, which is exactly what the right-to-lifers feared most: of losing her Roman Catholic imaginary soul which might not go to her imaginary Heavan. For that matter, why not just do away with WP:BLP1E and just use the person name? Is this about the law as it applies to us in the here and now or is it just another story about just another person? Here, we can turn this into a five sentence biography and just leave out all that nasty legal fluff. This has to do with what these vile politicians do with their awesome power. Maybe George Bush knew the Palm Sunday Compromise was unconstitutional as he was signing it but he signed it anyway because it might get Republicans a few more votes at the next election. Even democracy is still a popularity contest but in court law and logic are supposed to prevail. If you try to emulate Terri, then you just become a burden on society. Anyone with a lick of common sense can see that they should have pulled the plug by 1993 or so. You can even generalize this as to whether monarchy or rule of law is a superior form of government. The sum total of human knowledge might mention that religion and monarchy are obsolete. The king got his authority from God. That is basically how cavemen worked where every decision involving people was just a popularity contest. All the right-to-lifers want you to know is that Michael is evil and and that Saint Terri is good and thus Michael deserves zero authority in the matter. Misplaced Pages is supposedly about education. Do we ever get to learn anything that advances civilization or is it just 100% entertainment? Do we devolve back to the cavemen and pure emotion or do we let logic play any role whatsoever? If the former, then fine: take off the "case" suffix. Whew! I just added some text to the article with Michael's perspective in mind. The right-to-lifers probably eradicated any of his input long ago. Maybe the article is now a bit more WP:NPOV.--Pages777 (talk) 20:13, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Right, but starting an RM citing WP:DEATHS when your proposed definitions haven't reached a consensus there is putting the cart before the horse. 162 etc. (talk) 18:04, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
So should we change WP:DEATHS to use a suffix instead since the current style is considereded "unnatural". e.g. "George Floyd murder" rather than Murder of George Floyd? I agree that the suffix is a little more natural. I am just accepting the precedent and recognizing that you can use the Special:PrefixIndex tool. You might also consider renaming Sarah Murnaghan lung transplant controversy to "Controversy of Sarah Murnaghan lung transplant". It might be a little unnatural, but the prefix is a little easier to search for. Then again, there is Category:Controversies.--Pages777 (talk) 18:04, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
I just had an episode of WP:BOLD and did a rewrite of the lead from scratch. I assert that it has much more to do with what WP:LEAD so implores and focuses on what is IMPORTANT. Now this article might someday have a shot at Featured article ranking. I know that it is an impossible dream, but I still think about renaming this to the "Michael Shiavo case". Those right to lifers let Michal's name occur only once in the lead in the previous version. Now it occurs eight times, like it always should have.--Pages777 (talk) 22:07, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Oppose. The better title has the most recognisable terms at the front, not the end. "Terri Schiavo" is the recognisable term, not "Case".
The topic is notable, not because of the death, not because of the whole-life biography, but because of the euthanasia legal dispute. I suggest the best title is Terri Schiavo euthanasia case. This title appropriately telegraphs the limited scope from a full biography. Not "legal", as there is so much medical. In any case, "Terri Schiavo" should be the first two words of the title. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I was thinking that "case" alone is virtually meaningless. Actually, "euthanasia" is probably a bad term to use in the title, because the applicability of the word is disputed. I now lean weakly to Terri Schiavo legal case but am open to the simple Terri Schiavo as a good title. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Lead section rewrite
I am working on a rewrite of the lead section of this article from scratch. I am working on it at User:Pages777/Terri Schiavo case lead. Please collaborate with me at that page for about a week (until July 30, 2021) and then we will engage in consensus building and hopefully replace the current lead. I think that the main advantage of my version is that the three paragraphs have a coherent train of thought.--Pages777 (talk) 20:26, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Do you believe someone who thinks an eating disorder makes you a "stupid, destructive and evil person" who deserves to experience severe health consequences of that illness is a prime candidate for rewriting this article? Vaticidalprophet23:04, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
You would benefit from taking the existing advice from 7-8 July in the article history where multiple users already highlighted the WP:POV and MOS:EDITORIAL language in your preferred lead, like "as is typical", "endured wave after wave", "memorialized his fidelity", etc. I fail to see how your proposed revisions improve the current lead, notwithstanding the unconvincing assertion of a "right to lifer" bias. --Scuoise (talk) 23:31, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Grammar
@Elizium23, why did you revert the edit? This is how I know it in English grammar. "Low" in the original sentence acts as a noun. Therefore, it cannot have an adverb modifying it. Adverbs only modify verbs, adjectives and other adverbs as far as I know. It also would make "an" obsolete as what follows it isn't a noun or noun phrase. My revision changes "low" to an adjective and therefore, having "abnormally" before it makes it grammatically correct and does not at all affect the original message. Why then would you revert it? — Python Drink (talk) 22:51, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
