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I have corrected a great deal of the article's grammar and formatting, but would like more help with regards to ensuring a coherent organisation with respect to other Misplaced Pages articles on saints. Crculver 03:37, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I'd do what I can but... the version I wrote was the best I could manage. What do you mean by such organisation? And finally, you did a great correction, btw! Pfortuny 09:07, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I removed this last line: "No question about it, Saint John of the Cross is one of those geniuses that will always be remembered. His poetry is so serene and beautiful. A true mystical experience." I felt it detracted from both the tone and content of the article. The reality of whether or not St. John is a "genius" or "will always be remembered" is not directly relevant to the facts of the article. Ultimately the sentence represented an opinion concerning the value of St. John and his poetry, something which seemed to already be properly framed with the context of the article as it related to his influence on the church and on literary figures. The same could be said of placing his poetry on par with a "mystical experience," an interesting thought but not directly relevant to the matter at hand. The article as a whole though, is excellent, kudos to the original authors. -WTG (still need to make a user account :-/ )

Pardon the glib factor. I gather most people visiting this article are "serious". I know, I get it....

However, if laughter isn't God's ultimate gift... to paraphrase Gene Rodenberry about laughter, "for that instant, you humans are immortal". I guess the same could be said of orgasms : ) Different beast, similar vibe. Just gotta love Dopamine, Serotonin and GABA : )
...Anyway, among the funniest beings ever is Doug Adams! It dissapointed me not to find any reference in the article links to Doug's "The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul". And to forestall, I've had to undergo several operations to reconstuct my thorax from reading Doug, but the one I'm presently bitching about I haven't been able to get yet...

Lighten up a bit guys! If bleating laugher isn't the best proof that there is a God, I declare myself even more clueless and agnostic than I thought I was... - Manuel from México, D.F.: valinorrim-wiki@yahoo.com.mxManuelcuribe (talk) circa 20:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Roddenberry, Adams, God.... all dead.
-- Love & kisses, Nietzsche.
- XXXOOO 2 U 2 Neesh : ) —Manuel : ) And yep, I get the joke : þ Called "life" last I checked? And Now For Something Completly Blasphemous: I'm going to quote Joss Whedon at you. "The hardest thing in this world is to live in it." That one Ecce Homo enough for ya? I mean the question with love. For real. The chair recognises the honored Gentleman/Lady from Angstland. Kindred, methinks. Manuelcuribe (talk) 07:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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Typos

His writings were first published inJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the Cross 1618, for example, plus several disjointed sentences. I'm not at all knowledgeable of the subject, so won't attempt to edit.

What brought me here was Analog Science Fiction and Fact March 2012 Novelette "Ernesto" by Alec Nevala-Lee, which is preceded by his Biolog by Richard A.Lovett. The story begins in Madrid a year after beginning of the war between the Loyalists and Falangists. It quickly moves to the Church of St. John of the Cross at a monastery in Segovia, the scene of several "miraculous" cures of terminal cancer, with a postscript in Havana a year after the war ends.

“ Ernesto laughed. "Not much of a miracle. He arranged to remove the hinges from the door of his cell. Now that's the kind of saint I can admire." He looked out at the trees. "If John deserves sainthood, it's because he understood the dark night of the soul. You can look for God all your life and find nothing in the end. And for a true believer, that nothingness is enough. Nada y nada y nada." ”

--Pawyilee (talk) 14:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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Conflicting Sources

The section on his early life states he was of converso background but the source (from Roth) only mentions it in passing and does not provide any evidence for it. Meanwhile, the Catholic biographies linked at the bottom of the page, give a detailed account of his family background and do not mention them being conversos. IMO, saying he is a converso just because of the Roth source is undue weight and if kept it should be with the added stipulation that "at least one author alleges" he was from a converso family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:69C1:2A00:91BF:EA5E:FDB0:985C (talk) 18:41, 2 June 2018 (UTC)


Making a redirect

Elsewhere in Misplaced Pages I have typed in "Juan de la Crux" but got a red wikilink. Can some one please see to making this a redirect to this page? Many thanks, Vorbee (talk) 15:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposal for new WikiProject

I have made a proposal at Misplaced Pages: WikiProject Council for a new WikiProject - WikiProject Mysticism. I wonder whether any one readers of this article would be interested in joining this WikiProject? Vorbee (talk) 06:19, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Age at time of death

The box in the top-right hand corner of this article says that at his death, John of the Cross was forty-six. The article says he was born in 1542 and died in December 1591 - would that have made his age at the time of his death forty-nine? Vorbee (talk) 17:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Discalced Carmelite

St. John of the Cross was a Discalced Carmelite (O.C.D.). He was apart of the reform with St. Teresa of Avila who started the Discalced Carmelites. He was not an O.Carm but a Discalced Carmelite (O.C.D) 70.162.61.242 (talk) 01:24, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, please stop reverting/changing this tag. He was a reformer of O. Carm. but was the founder and therefore part of the Discalced Carmelites (OCD) this is obvious and universally recognized in every history of the order, biography, and by both of the orders themselves. I am unsure why this keeps being changed. The page for Teresa of Ávila has it correct as OCD, and they were both on the same parallel journey, with her being older in fact, yet there is no confusion in that case. St. John of the Cross is the co-founder and the male component in establishing monasteries for friars of the Discalced Carmelite (O.C.D.) order, and this is what he is known for and his life's work, this is what should be included on the page. 98.97.176.235 (talk) 15:30, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

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