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Simpsons dedication

The Simpsons episode Lost Verizon has a (seemingly sarcastic) dedication to the memory of Paul Newman at the end. It depicts a bottle of his salad dressing. 86.131.89.40 (talk) 00:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Sooner or later, every celebrity/actor gets mentioned on The Simpsons and/or South Park. It's not unusual. Wildhartlivie (talk) 08:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Fidelity claims

An open secret has recently emerged casting doubt on his claims of fidelity. See the following link. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1176388/Dark-heart-Mr-Sundance-A-new-book-claims-Hollywoods-golden-boy-Paul-Newman-drunken-philanderer.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.79.207.43 (talk) 02:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Auto racing

Does this, "and auto racing enthusiast.", merit inclusion alongside his other occupations in the intro sentence? I've never seen someone's recreational hobbies included like this in a WP article. 98.239.166.251 (talk) 10:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

It was a bit more that a recreational hobby. See the other sentence "He also won several national championships as a driver in Sports Car Club of America road racing, and his race teams won several championships in open wheel IndyCar racing" and the entire section Auto racing. He placed second in the 1979 24 Hours of Le Mans, was the oldest driver to be part of a winning team in a major sanctioned race in his class at the 1995 24 Hours of Daytona, co-founded Newman/Haas Racing, was a partner in Newman Wachs Racing and owned a NASCAR Winston Cup car. It was a business venture that was notable. Wildhartlivie (talk) 15:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

As a color blind person myself, I wonder what being color blind has to do with auto racing and his success at auto racing?172.79.143.4 (talk) 13:09, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Did Newman finish his Yale drama studies?

I read recently bits of a chatty bio of Newman. The author states that Newman did not complete his course of study at Yale Drama School; rather, he resettled in New York City for paying work after spending some time at the Drama School. I'll research this point, and edit accordingly this and the Yale Alumni entries. Anyone know more than I do now on this point?SLY111 (talk) 18:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)SLY111

What bio is that? There have been a couple released that are less than accurate and reliable. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Paul Newman, artist

I have come across a pen and ink pix of a young robert redford. It is signed Newman. I am curious because he was a multi tallented man and one of my favorite actors. Personally, I don't think he did any artwork, but I would kike to know for sure. My curiosity is peaked! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.83.241 (talk) 04:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

No idea. You'd be better asking an autograph dealer about the signature, but you won't find that here. Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I have a pen and ink portrait of robert redford in his 30's. Is it possible paul newman did this. It is signed Newman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.83.241 (talk) 04:56, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

No idea. You'd be better asking an autograph dealer about the signature, but you won't find that here. Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Marriage date(s)?

Comparing Paul's and Joanne's articles:

"Newman married actress Joanne Woodward on February 2, 1958."
"Woodward married Paul Newman on January 29, 1958."

Why did they marry each other on two different dates? Maybe there is a missing fact which should be mentioned?

PRR

Actually, you go with the date that has a sold reference with it, which was on February 2, 1958. ("Remembering Paul Newman." People. September 27, 2008.) Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:34, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Early works

Perhaps more detailed research should be done to include a more complete history of Paul Newman's acting career. I have recently viewed an episode of Suspense (TV series) in which he appeared briefly (as Captain Radetski) in the second act, and more prominently in the third act. The episode: "Woman in Love" (episode #160) aired August 26, 1952; . 75.94.142.89 (talk) 20:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Last work

Was in 2005 in "Empire Falls" mini-series. A real appearance in most episodes, not just a voice. Macaldo (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

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Correction to Newman meeting Woodward

The article states that Newman met Woodward on the set of The Long Hot Summer. Newman met Woodward while working as understudies in New York on the play "Picnic". By 1958, Newman was already separated from his wife, he and Woodward were living together in California, and married this same year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.74.27.48 (talk) 03:31, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Confusion about children

The children in the article and the children listed on the side bar are not the same. Who is Jack Newman and where is the second daughter from the first marriage?66.19.144.8 (talk) 15:35, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Political Activism and Gay Rights not verifiable under citation quoted

The link to the "Actively supported gay rights" contains absolutely no reference to being a supporter let alone an open supporter. Further, there is no mention of "gay" anywhere IN the article. I believe this allegation should be challenged and opted to voice concern here first in case I have missed something?NunyaBitnes (talk) 17:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)NunyaBitnes

Second paragraph of Military Service

This is a confusing paragraph. Looking at reference 13, I can understand some of what happened, but our paragraph is badly phrased, at best. The squadron he was assigned to was sent to an unknown carrier, but his aircraft was grounded from that assignment because of the pilot's ear infection. The others (all?) in the squadron were killed on that carrier. He then performed further service. If I knew more about it I'd try to fix it, but someone should. htom (talk) 14:20, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Birthplace

There seems to be conflicting info about his birthplace. I see Shaker Heights (1, 2, 3), Cleveland Heights (1, 2, 3), and Cleveland ( 1). Does anyone have sources of official records or cities claiming him? Given the sources, I'm most inclined to believe it's Cleveland Heights (as noted by local newspapers and historians), but felt it was worth discussion. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:07, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Infobox image

There seems to be a dispute about the infobox image and I think it might be a good idea to discuss this rather than continue to revert each other. My personal view is that the image of Newman and Woodward is a better image because the alternative image proposed looks like it was taken while Newman was on the toilet and the lighting makes it harder to look at.-- Mrmatiko (talk) 09:02, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

They're both good, but I'd go for the john shot. His eyes and face are lit better, with more color and depth, where the other one is in shadow. It's also a bit distracting to have two people instead of one. --Light show (talk) 09:23, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I certainly agree that a picture of Paul alone would be preferable but I find it difficult to look at the publicity shot. This image would have been good if it didn't have other peoples' heads in the way. Maybe this one from 1954 would be better? -- Mrmatiko (talk) 09:40, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I vote for "Paul Newman - publicity". It's a nice clear head shot and comes from the era when he was at his peak. --Loeba (talk) 13:11, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

My position is fairly obvious; the publicity shot is awful. The lighting is utter garbage, and it makes him look very unpleasant. I cannot understand why people think that is an acceptable picture to use, given how poor the colours are. I'd be perfectly happy with the 1954 picture; the lighting is reasonable, he doesn't look like he's badly ill, and there's nothing wrong with black-and-white. The 1987 one isn't really that good, and he's quite a lot older in that one. Lukeno52 (tell Luke off here) (legitimate alternate account of Lukeno94) 13:22, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't dislike the publicity shot, and I think it is better for this use than the dual shot (which could be used later In the article). I do prefer the black and white however. --kelapstick 01:12, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, some editor just tagged the publicity photo for deletion. Apparently it was taken and copyrighted around 2006, just before he died, which they feel is more likely than it being a prime example of copyfraud. Newman was noted for looking youthful. The 1954 shot is my 2nd choice. --Light show (talk) 19:48, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

It's highly unlikely that the image itself was from 2006; that is two years before he died, and he would've been 81. If you look at the deletion thread on Commons, you'll see that the copyright is attributed to the company who initially uploaded the still, and not the original image creators; I would expect that request to fail. Lukeno52 (tell Luke off here) (legitimate alternate account of Lukeno94) 20:08, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Luke, but after looking at all the options I pick the publicity shot as well. It's a shame, though, that we don't have more choices. Drmies (talk) 05:22, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- The Getty Images version of the color publicity shot is much better than the version being debated, but it is watermarked. The photo with Woodward is wonderful and belongs in the article, but not in the infobox. I vote for the 1954 image, cropped tighter to his face. I hope a better freely licensed image can be found. What a wonderful guy he was! Excuse that opinionated comment. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:36, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

The photo of him and Woodward is still in the Personal life section, so I added a new one for the lead. The 1954 photo was his debut film and not really a prime career photo. Hope the new one is OK. --Light show (talk) 08:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I like the new image, seems more suitable for the infobox than any of the other images in the article. -- Mrmatiko (talk) 08:52, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm happy as well. My objection was to the terrible publicity shot, so :) And yeah, the Woodward/Newman shot definitely has to be in the article. Lukeno52 (tell Luke off here) (legitimate alternate account of Lukeno94) 11:09, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Cullen, I have it on good authority that you and Newman used to go toe to toe in male beauty contests. Is this true? Drmies (talk) 15:41, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Well done, Light show. As for you, Drmies, I have two aphorisms for 2014: "Question authority!" is the well known one. I wrote the other one, "Question those who question authority". Cullen Let's discuss it 18:05, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

To be fair and play it safe, I also gave Joanne Woodward a new lead image. It's not that I believe in ghosts or anything, but . . . . Light show (talk) 18:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Not a bad idea whatsoever, particularly as that image is very good. I'm glad this has been rectified to pretty much everyone's contentment. Lukeno52 (tell Luke off here) (legitimate alternate account of Lukeno94) 19:45, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Contentious edit regarding Newman's mother

It seems that this edit about Newman's mother is contentious. Rather than edit warring, it seems sensible to discuss this here.

My view is that the assertions made shouldn't be in the article because they seem to imply something through an interpretation of the lack of evidence, rather than any secondary source that provide actual evidence that Newman's mother isn't of the ancestry stated in the article. -- Mrmatiko (talk) 20:20, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

The evidence re her baptism can be disputed. The immigration-record evidence, no. I found that record; that was clearly hers; go look at yourself. 108.40.7.179 (talk) 00:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

In edit summary, the IP editor mentioned a link to a St. Mary's University of Minnesota web page that discusses the advantages of primary sources in doing research at the university level. That is all well and good for university research. But Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and we simply don't publish original research of any kind. Instead, we summarize what the best quality independent, reliable sources say about the topic. The best of these will be secondary sources. "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation." Accordingly, I am not comfortable relying on what someone says they saw in an immigration document for a factual assertion in this biography. Instead, we should summarize what the best biographers of Newman say about his ancestry. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:34, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Drank 24 cans of Coors beer each day

Newman drank a lot of beer and probably had an affair. So what? Cullen Let's discuss it 04:54, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

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Paul Newman movie credits

Paul Newman had a starring role in a 1963 movie called "The Prize" I did not see this mentioned in his Misplaced Pages biography. Did I miss it or should it be verified and added?

Fred Dreis174.23.4.208 (talk) 01:19, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

It's not exactly a major film. Plus the image in the infobox is from the film (the caption gives the title and year) and it's in Paul Newman filmography. That's plenty IMO. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:38, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Note on a RfC about "military careers"

There is currently a discussion and a RfC on Mel Brooks's article about his so-called "military career," noted by an infobox module. Since his military service, similar to that of Don Rickles, was for a few years and before their actual careers began, inserting a massive module in the standard infobox, as in this article, seems both misleading and erroneous. For Newman, his "military career" module takes up about 25% of the infobox, while his notability is for being an actor. And like the others, he never had a "military career."--Light show (talk) 02:07, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

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Voice acting

Dear IP,

please explain first why you wish to remove the "voice acting" designations, but only if the last edit log and it's content did not convince you. Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 19:19, 6 February 2018 (UTC))

It's basically the same thing as acting, as I explained it in the edit summary of the edit. Only if they are notable to have more than 100 voice credits, like Frank Welker and Jim Cummings for example. Because not ever celebrity on here is credited as a voice actor, just a few. 97.33.74.164 (talk) 16:44, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

I am torn between both points you guys are making. I agree that Newman shouldn't have a voice acting section, however the section shouldn't be deleted until someone moves these credits in the respective year of release.Filmman3000 (talk) 19:05, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Major films intro?

His biggest performance in my mind is Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958), should be mentioned in the intro. It is a spell to see it. (But it is not in the style like his later cast.)

The main text writes:

In 1958, he starred in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958), opposite Elizabeth Taylor. The film was a box-office smash, and Newman garnered his first Academy Award nomination.

--Zzalpha (talk) 12:13, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Redundances

1. "That performance led to his breakthrough role as Rocky Graziano in the film Somebody Up There Likes Me in 1956. The Dean connection had additional resonance. Newman was cast as Billy the Kid in The Left Handed Gun which was a role originally earmarked for Dean. Additionally, Dean was originally cast to play the role of Rocky Graziano in Somebody Up There Likes Me; however, with his death, Paul Newman inherited the role."

Somebody up there likes me and Rocky Graziano are repetitive.

2. "For Newman's support of Eugene McCarthy in 1968 (and effective use of television commercials in California) and his opposition to the Vietnam War, Newman was placed nineteenth on Richard Nixon's enemies list, which Newman claimed was his greatest accomplishment."

The double "and" is not good.

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Newman German ancestor

He hat definitely german ancestors, because Newman is english for german Neumann, a frequently german family name. It is no polish family name. 2001:9E8:B43C:7400:7CF0:9165:291F:D137 (talk) 06:50, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

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