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	"His support of the American war effort, however, was problematic." is said completely unsourced and without elaboration. What does this even mean?] (]) 10:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)		"His support of the American war effort, however, was problematic." is said completely unsourced and without elaboration. What does this even mean?] (]) 10:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

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Henry Ford cars

How many model cars did he make? CoolSoup99 (talk) 14:46, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

He made 20 in all. I want to make it clear, 20 model cars, not cars. As for cars in total, people expect he made more than 38,000 cars, trucks, and ambulances. Additionally, he made another 7,000 Ford tractors, two types of tanks, and 4,000 airplanes for the Allies during World War II. :) Username12009 (talk) 16:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

American Conspiracy Theorist Category tag

This seems to be a tag that is used far too frequently. Yes, Ford did promote some conspiracy theories but to include the category we need it to be a defining characteristic, not a secondary one. WP:CATDEF says it must be a defining characteristic. "Defining" is defined here wp:Defining:

A central concept used in categorizing articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (in the case of people), type of location or region (in the case of places), etc. For example, in Caravaggio, an Italian artist of the Baroque movement, Italian, artist, and Baroque may all be considered to be defining characteristics of the subject Caravaggio.

That he was an industrial tycoon was a defining characteristic. The same with terms like auto industry founder etc. Conspiracy theorist is one that is used in some sources, certainly to the point where we should talk about the issues. However, nowhere in the article is Ford actually called a conspiracy theorist. That means we don't have sufficient content to say, in Wiki voice, that Ford was a conspiracy theorist. Absent that we should not include the tag as the tag effectively says we are saying it in Wiki voice. (courtesy ping @Margie - remasked:) Springee (talk) 03:52, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I understand. It wasn't his defining characteristic. I'm taking the category out.--Margie - remasked (talk) 15:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Springee (talk) 15:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

The definition fits Ford exactly: " A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having" --in recent decades all the major studies I have seen emphasize his lifelong addition to conspiracy theories esp re Jews. Furthermore his name on conspiracy books on Jews helped to publicize and legitimize his fears worldwide. see Michael Alexander, Review of "Henry Ford and the Jews: The Mass Production of Hate." Jewish Quarterly Review 94#4 (2004), pp. 716-718 https://www.jstor.org/stable/1455604 online which states: "He drew upon nearly every popular anti-Semitic source available at the time, from ancient religious antagonism to the latest scientific eugenic theory." Rjensen (talk) 16:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree. But it seems there is just one person who keeps putting those words back in. Can't we get rid of this section entirely. And we need to delete the section on antisemitism. That also is untrue. 73.6.96.168 (talk) 10:18, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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Under “Political Party” it claims Henry Ford was a Republican before 1918 and a democrat after 1918. This isn’t true. Whilst Ford did show support for Democrat Woodrow Wilson, in 1924 he outspokenly supported Republican candidate Calvin Coolidge. He even paid for adverts in newspapers to write messages of support for Coolidge - see “why I am for Calvin Coolidge” Lincoln Evening Journal, October 31st 1924 Imxandercruise (talk) 16:11, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Not done: Please clarify the changes you want made and mention the specific changes in a "Please change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Thanks, Heartmusic678 (talk) 12:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Please don't change anything. Ford supported both Republicans and Democrats. That is a fact, and it does not change with time. 73.6.96.168 (talk) 10:20, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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203.54.250.110 (talk) 00:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Holden, formerly known as General Motors-Holden, was an Australian automobile marque owned by General Motors and as well a former automobile manufacturer, which manufactured cars in Australia before switching to importing cars under the Holden brand. It was headquartered in Port Melbourne.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Henry Ford DID go to College and High School.

It says that Henry Ford didn't ever go to high school or college. It also has no citation. Henry Ford did go to college and high school, so whoever wrote this is wrong. We need to change it. Username12009 (talk) 16:05, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The assertion that he did not go to college is contradicted two paragraphs later, so I removed the statement. I believe it's true that he never went to high school, but (a) I can't verify this, and (b) it's hardly critical to the article. Andrew Jameson (talk) 23:33, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

he never attended high school. Years later he did take some bookkeeping classes at night, but he never "attended college" in the usual sense. See Nevins vol 1 p 90. He could not read beyond the 8th grade level but he was good at numbers. Rjensen (talk) 00:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Though he did go to college. Username12009 (talk) 09:44, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Wait, sorry, nevermind, I misread. Username12009 (talk) 09:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Found the citation needed!!

In the 'Ford Motor Company' section, there was a missing citation. I looked and found it. "Model T's unique foot-operated planetary transmission and steering-column operated throttle-cum-accelerator had to learn a completely different set of skills to drive any other gasoline-powered automobile of the time." from: Http://r4logistics.com/vxwb5va/henry-ford-occupation

Hope this helps! Username12009 (talk) 09:43, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Argh, shoot, I meant in the Model T section, not the Ford Motor Company. Username12009 (talk) 09:47, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

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Several academic psychological sources suggest that Henry Ford had Aspergers/ASD.

https://behavioral-innovations.com/blog/20-famous-people-with-autism-spectrum-disorder-asd/

https://books.google.ie/books?id=Vxiu-JET_sYC&pg=PA9&dq=henry+ford+autism&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjVqbi5pfr2AhVXh1wKHciABuEQ6AF6BAgKEAM#v=onepage&q=henry%20ford%20autism&f=false

https://books.google.ie/books?id=6qGiBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA7&dq=henry+ford+autism&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx6qPTpfr2AhXAQUEAHVlLA8MQ6AF6BAgEEAM#v=onepage&q=henry%20ford%20autism&f=false

https://books.google.ie/books?id=dn2wCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA7&dq=henry+ford+autism&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx6qPTpfr2AhXAQUEAHVlLA8MQ6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q=henry%20ford%20autism&f=false 212.129.73.101 (talk) 11:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

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Add under ‘Antisemitism and the Dearborn Independent’ that, in 1922, as a teetotaler, Ford claimed that “ The Jews are on the side of liquor and always have .” This was another one of his conspiracy theories. Source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-anti-semites-who-pushed-prohibition-on-america

Under ‘personal interests,’ add that Henry Ford was “an outspoken teetotaler.” Source: https://books.google.ie/books?id=mcOcdrBWedEC&source=gbs_navlinks_s 212.129.77.50 (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. It does not appear that there is consensus to include this. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:59, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

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Under ‘later career and death,’ add that;

“Several academic psychological sources suggest that Henry Ford had Aspergers/ASD.”

Sources:

https://behavioral-innovations.com/blog/20-famous-people-with-autism-spectrum-disorder-asd/ https://books.google.ie/books?id=Vxiu-JET_sYC&pg=PA9&dq=henry+ford+autism&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjVqbi5pfr2AhVXh1wKHciABuEQ6AF6BAgKEAM#v=onepage&q=henry%20ford%20autism&f=false

https://books.google.ie/books?id=6qGiBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA7&dq=henry+ford+autism&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx6qPTpfr2AhXAQUEAHVlLA8MQ6AF6BAgEEAM#v=onepage&q=henry%20ford%20autism&f=false

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. It does not appear there is consensus for this addition. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:58, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

His support of the American war effort, however, was problematic.

"His support of the American war effort, however, was problematic." is said completely unsourced and without elaboration. What does this even mean?2601:18C:8081:B9B0:90A3:C5FC:8E71:908C (talk) 10:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. As a sentence at the end of a short paragraph and not one that summarizes additional content and given it has no source I've removed it. Springee (talk) 01:53, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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