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| It's quite difficult to understand the INC by just leaning on what you see on the internet. While this article tries to be NPOV, certain points suggest the authors' bias against the INC: | It's quite difficult to understand the INC by just leaning on what you see on the internet. While this article tries to be NPOV, certain points suggest the authors' bias against the INC: | ||
| * suggestion that the INC is a cult ("some say...") | * suggestion that the INC is a cult ("some say...") | ||
| ** Removed INC is more of a sect than a cult. The only factor which makes it a cult is the chrurch admin's power over it's congregation. --] 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) | ** Removed. INC is more of a sect than a cult. The only factor which makes it a cult is the chrurch admin's power over it's congregation. --] 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) | ||
| * suggestion that the INC's chapels are copied from LDS chapels (again, "some say...") | * suggestion that the INC's chapels are copied from LDS chapels (again, "some say...") | ||
| ** Not all INC locales have narrow pointed spires. Other churches may also have spires. --] 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) | ** Not all INC locales have narrow pointed spires. Other churches may also have spires. --] 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) | ||
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| ** It would help if someone provides sources of this. --] 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) | ** It would help if someone provides sources of this. --] 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) | ||
| Even publishing a magazine titled "God's Message" did not escape this absurd piece of "factual" junk. "Found controversial by some"?!? | *Even publishing a magazine titled "God's Message" did not escape this absurd piece of "factual" junk. "Found controversial by some"?!? | ||
| ** Removed. I don't see any implications of the authors of <i>God's Message</i> as written from God. --] 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) | ** Removed. I don't see any implications of the authors of <i>God's Message</i> as written from God. --] 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC) | ||
| I respectfully suggest that this article be placed in a disputed status. | I respectfully suggest that this article be placed in a disputed status. | ||
| * The article doesn't show an outright NPOV, so it's been put under "Biased" status. | |||
Revision as of 18:48, 21 March 2005
Restored page from obvious POV edit unfairly favoring the Iglesia Ni Cristo.
I'm a member, and I think that quote describes the INC succintly and perfectly. It has created its share of controversy, and mainly focuses on discrediting Presbyterian and Catholic ideology.
Does this part sound NPOV? "Noted for its distinctive church architecture of narrow pointed spires, it is a controversial organization that seeks to disestablish the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church, which is the predominant religion in the country."
"and many say that the Church administration was told to stop by Internal Revenue Service agents": sounds like a rumor to me. Isn't this supposed to be an encyclopedia?
Just Church of Christ
I think there is some confusion here. Unless this is talking about a different group, Iglesia ni Christo is just "Church of Christ" in another language. This article sounds like it more or less describes the Church of Christ, with some confusion from people who probably don't understand it. The Church of Christ was certainly not established in the Philippines! 69.148.82.46 17:29, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The name Iglesia Ni Cristo specifically refers to the organization created by Felix Y. Manalo.
Two Points
First of all, this group is an indigenous Filipino group and is not identical to the Church of Christ of the American Restoration Movement, which also has a major mission work in the Philippines, adding to confusion regarding the two groups. Also, both claim to be nothing more than just the continuation or restoration of the original church established by Jesus Christ; whether either group or any such group has the actual right to claim such a thing must be of needs left to a higher Authority than myself, or Misplaced Pages.
Second, yes, the name is no more than "Church of Christ" in Tagalog (Filipino).
Rlquall 23:59, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
"Disestablishment"
This term needs to be cut from the article in my opinion as well. This improperly implies that the Catholic Church is officially recognized in the Republic of the Philippines as the state religion, which I do not believe to be the case. "Disestablishment" is a term of art meaning to abolish a denomination's status as an official state church. Perhaps the terms "disprove" or "dispute" should be used instead? Rlquall 00:07, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Perteinence
Does it matter that much whether a Filipino-centered group has 501(c)(3) status in the U.S. or not, or whether it endorses candidates in U.S. elections to make that a focus of the article or even merit a mention. Obviously there are Filipinos in the U.S., including members of this group, as there are in almost every country in the world, but is this really worth mentioning in an encyclopeida article about this group? Also, the alleged resemblance between its buildings and LDS buildings should either be demonstrated with (noncopyrighted) pictures or deleted IMO. Rlquall 00:02, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This article is biased
It's quite difficult to understand the INC by just leaning on what you see on the internet. While this article tries to be NPOV, certain points suggest the authors' bias against the INC:
- suggestion that the INC is a cult ("some say...")
- Removed. INC is more of a sect than a cult. The only factor which makes it a cult is the chrurch admin's power over it's congregation. --Lbmixpro 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
- suggestion that the INC's chapels are copied from LDS chapels (again, "some say...")
- Not all INC locales have narrow pointed spires. Other churches may also have spires. --Lbmixpro 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
- suggestion that the INC tries to meddle with US politics ("it has tried...")
- The INC does influence voters.
- questioning the supposed "questionable move" of publishing congratulatory messages from American political leaders
- suggestion that the INC sacrifices church unity in exchange for a tax-exempt status ("many say...")
- It would help if someone provides sources of this. --Lbmixpro 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
- Even publishing a magazine titled "God's Message" did not escape this absurd piece of "factual" junk. "Found controversial by some"?!?
- Removed. I don't see any implications of the authors of God's Message as written from God. --Lbmixpro 18:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
I respectfully suggest that this article be placed in a disputed status.
- The article doesn't show an outright NPOV, so it's been put under "Biased" status.