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When did the metathesis occur?

Yves-Edouard Boeglin has written an extensive article about the particle Lab- in regional, pre-Slavic toponymy and the Lab river in general: Boeglin, Yves-Edouard (1968). "La rivière 'Lab' de Serbie". Onoma. 13 (2–3). International Centre of Onomastics: 319–332. He shows that the particle existed in a metathetic form since pre-Roman times and it corresponds to the onomastic area of Illyrian, historically linked to the Labeatae tribe along the later route from Ulpiana to Lissus, but it is unclear whether the movement (of people and toponymy) followed an E-W or vice-versa path. He then says that the pre-metathesis form may be linked the Albanian ethnonym and that the toponym of the Lab river valley appears as Lapia in (late) Roman/ (early) medieval texts: Il est certainement tentant de rapprocher notre Lab du nom des Labeates, établis aux débuts de l'ere chretienne dans la region de Scutari mais qui sont venus, peut-etre, de l'interieur des terres. À ce propos j'indiquerai que l'on relève une ligne E-W sur laquelle on trouve : 1) la rivière Lab; 2) un village Labljani, près de Priâtina, donc non loin du Lab (-ljan, suff. ethnonymique normal en serbo-croate à partir d'un nom de rivière) ; 3) un village du même nom près de Pec, indiqué déjà dans la charte de Zica (XIIIe s., Lablani), dans une région où l'on chercherait en vain un nom Lab sur lequel ce toponyme-éthnonyme a pu se former ; 4) la région du lac de Scutari où les Labeates sont installés au début de notre ère. Évidemment, dans l'état actuel de nos connaissances, il ne nous est pas possible d'indiquer s'il s'agirait d'une migration d'E en W, c.-à-d. de l'intérieur de l'Illyrie vers la mer, ou l'inverse. Cette rencontre de quatre noms en Lab- dans cette zone d'entre le Lab et les Labeates méritait cependant signalee, d'autant plus que la ligne Lab, Labljani I, Labljani II, Labeates correspond assez bien a la route allant de Ulpiana vers Lissus. D'autre part, le nom des Labeates est lui-même encore un mystère, et il n'est peut-être pas sans rapport avec le nom des Albanais tout proches, la métathèse ALB > LAB n'étant pas toujours, comme on le pense trop souvent, un phénomène phonetique apporte par les Slaves.--Maleschreiber (talk) 11:27, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Haven't seen anything giving it an explicit date before. Likely during whatever period it was that Albanian had l~r instability, as Romanian did, so early Middle Ages, but I don't have any RS atm. --Calthinus (talk) 20:56, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 9 June 2023

The request to rename this article to Llapi River has been carried out. If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

Lab River → Llapi River – The current name "Lab River" is never used in Kosovo or in other parts of the world. The actual name of the river is "Llapi River" (Albanian: Lumi i Llapit). This is used everywhere this river is mentioned. You wouldn't find an reasonable recent article that uses "Lab River", because that was never the name of the river. Here, I added some english articles on different topics that have to do with the "Llapi River". Once again, please consider my request to change the name of this article to "Llapi River". The articles: https://knowledgecenter.ubt-uni.net/conference/2022/all-events/206/ https://knowledgecenter.ubt-uni.net/conference/2018/all-events/197/ https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330781270_Effects_of_urban_development_on_water_quality_of_the_Llapi_RiverKosovo Typical Albanian (talk) 18:41, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Typical Albanian, you should try to show that the proposed name is more commonly used in English sources than the current one is. Read WP:COMMONNAME for more details. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:40, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Is this still valid now the attending editor has been blocked. I'll close it in 2 days in case anybody has a view. The article hasn't been touched for years, so probably no reason to leave it open. I'll close it in two days. scope_creep 20:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Still a valid request and should stay open at least seven days. The nom's only been blocked for 24 hours so that will be over tomorrow. Then we'll see. For the nom, for you to read. Page moves a) must be done by using the move link at the top of the page, and b) if undergoing a request like this one, must only take place after the request has been closed and consensus supports the page move. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  20:56, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello everyone, I found these English articles online that mention the actual name of the river "Llapi River", I didn't want to include Albanian Articles to prove that this is the name of the river. I used to be a local of this municipality and I added the photos that were taken by me at of the river. And with that I want to prove that I am not making up this name because I want so, but because it is its actual and the only used name for this river. I am sorry that I removed and redirected the page to the other one but I honestly did not know that that shouldn't be done. So with kind regards, I request to change the name of this article from "Lab River" to "Llapi River". Thank you!

Articles:

https://www.nato.int/Kfor/docu/inside/2002/ik_020705b.htmhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/280948206_Water_Cooperation_and_Peacebuilding_Exploring_Internal_Transboundary_Water_Governance_In_Kosovo_After_1999

http://www.hri.org/news/balkans/kosova/1999/99-01-10.ksv.html

https://iaeme.com/MasterAdmin/Journal_uploads/IJCIET/VOLUME_10_ISSUE_12/IJCIET_10_12_012.pdf

https://cyberleninka.org/article/n/1199856

https://www.proquest.com/openview/43ff4b38efaccd665675135d9b975e61/1?cbl=1036416&pq-origsite=gscholar&parentSessionId=N4FxNh1wo9w%2BrHSrSs0XryF7m%2BpeGlxgWwMzGV%2BuI4w%3D

https://www.scinapse.io/papers/3006541081

https://balwois.com/wp-content/uploads/old_proc/ffp-1167.pdf EHZeroEight (talk) 19:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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