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	I've just posted a long thread . I hope it is of interest to the community. ] (]) 09:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)		I've just posted a long thread . I hope it is of interest to the community. ] (]) 09:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

			:It reminds me of an ] from 5 years ago. ], a bunch of ''very'' bright and skilled fellows, got tired of blocking anime imageboards and decided to take on ]. 'Cause you know, how can you protect the Motherland from extremists, when you can't de-cipher ] they are chatting about? When Telegram devs refused to give up encryption keys to censors, blew her top and decided to block the bastards. Due to her outstanding technical skills, a lot of major websites got down with blocked DNS's, while Telegram slipped the line.
			:The moral of that story: Online Safety Bill will "empower ] to block access to particular websites". So Britons should prepare for a lot of ] that will ensue when Ofcom will decide to take on something like ]. ]rado🦈 (]✙]) 04:07, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
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	:Perhaps your thoughts would carry more weight if the WMF itself wasn't in the habit of abusing users data rights. Did the WMF ever share the dodgy dossier it collated on Fram before it accused them of harrassment? Or after? No. The WMF routinely gives access to PI to anonymous individuals with little oversight or auditing, who then abuse their advanced tools with article subjects and editors (you may want to pay attention to what the Italian admins and stewards are doing). Then of course there is the lack of financial transparency (tides), the safeguarding lapses (by what process did the WMF come out with that made it think it was a good idea to directly fund/grant a disgraced and banned from multiple projects editor, who amongst their other issues uploaded pornography of themselves and advocated the retention of pictures of clearly underage boys genitalia. Perhaps you should put that on next year's fundraising banner), the blatant trough sinecures for former staff etc etc.		:Perhaps your thoughts would carry more weight if the WMF itself wasn't in the habit of abusing users data rights. Did the WMF ever share the dodgy dossier it collated on Fram before it accused them of harrassment? Or after? No. The WMF routinely gives access to PI to anonymous individuals with little oversight or auditing, who then abuse their advanced tools with article subjects and editors (you may want to pay attention to what the Italian admins and stewards are doing). Then of course there is the lack of financial transparency (tides), the safeguarding lapses (by what process did the WMF come out with that made it think it was a good idea to directly fund/grant a disgraced and banned from multiple projects editor, who amongst their other issues uploaded pornography of themselves and advocated the retention of pictures of clearly underage boys genitalia. Perhaps you should put that on next year's fundraising banner), the blatant trough sinecures for former staff etc etc.

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UK Online Safety Bill

I've just posted a long thread on twitter. I hope it is of interest to the community. Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:47, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

It reminds me of an incident from 5 years ago. Roskomnadzor, a bunch of very bright and skilled fellows, got tired of blocking anime imageboards and decided to take on Telegram. 'Cause you know, how can you protect the Motherland from extremists, when you can't de-cipher what they are chatting about? When Telegram devs refused to give up encryption keys to censors, RKN-chan blew her top and decided to block the bastards. Due to her outstanding technical skills, a lot of major websites got down with blocked DNS's, while Telegram slipped the line.

The moral of that story: Online Safety Bill will "empower Ofcom to block access to particular websites". So Britons should prepare for a lot of collateral damage that will ensue when Ofcom will decide to take on something like Signal. a!rado🦈 (C✙T) 04:07, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm only interested in talk about this legislation
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Perhaps your thoughts would carry more weight if the WMF itself wasn't in the habit of abusing users data rights. Did the WMF ever share the dodgy dossier it collated on Fram before it accused them of harrassment? Or after? No. The WMF routinely gives access to PI to anonymous individuals with little oversight or auditing, who then abuse their advanced tools with article subjects and editors (you may want to pay attention to what the Italian admins and stewards are doing). Then of course there is the lack of financial transparency (tides), the safeguarding lapses (by what process did the WMF come out with that made it think it was a good idea to directly fund/grant a disgraced and banned from multiple projects editor, who amongst their other issues uploaded pornography of themselves and advocated the retention of pictures of clearly underage boys genitalia. Perhaps you should put that on next year's fundraising banner), the blatant trough sinecures for former staff etc etc. What you seem to be missing is that despite all its faults, the UK Online Safety Bill is a response to large tech (admittedly not Misplaced Pages) inaction or deliberate abuse (Cambridge analytics). Perhaps people might be less prone to support rigid legislation if corporations were not so abusive in the first place. The UKs legislative process has largely not changed for 100 years. Once a problem appears, industry is largely encouraged to self manage. If that doesn't work, light touch regulators and fines. If the problem still continues, then it's time to roll out the heavy guns of beurocracy and regulation. The Zuckerbergs and Musks failed to learn from other industries like manufacturing, construction, and banking before them. And this is the end result. In short, clean up your own house before pontificating on others. Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC) Did you see Fram's behavior in general onwiki? In the last two weeks, he tried to get EEng banned from AN and ANI for... get this... having a sense of humor. It's a recurring thing, and it hasn't stopped, even since that WMF ban. Also, what I'm reading from your message is that you're in favor of the UK Online Safety Bill. Are you really thinking that this bill is a positive thing? It's the closest the UK is getting to censorship in ages. Supporting this bill is essentially supporting a dictatorship that can arrest people because they dared talk against the government. LilianaUwU 16:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC) You are describing WMF problems, not Jimbo problems. (Although Jimbo may have contributed to letting them become a largely self-appointed ivory tower.) But either way, your post is whataboutism and the real question is this particular piece of legislation. I only know it a bit, and that sounds like it is pretty bad and in direct conflict with how Misplaced Pages needs to operate. *North8000* (talk) 17:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm only interested in talk about this legislation

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Perhaps your thoughts would carry more weight if the WMF itself wasn't in the habit of abusing users data rights. Did the WMF ever share the dodgy dossier it collated on Fram before it accused them of harrassment? Or after? No. The WMF routinely gives access to PI to anonymous individuals with little oversight or auditing, who then abuse their advanced tools with article subjects and editors (you may want to pay attention to what the Italian admins and stewards are doing). Then of course there is the lack of financial transparency (tides), the safeguarding lapses (by what process did the WMF come out with that made it think it was a good idea to directly fund/grant a disgraced and banned from multiple projects editor, who amongst their other issues uploaded pornography of themselves and advocated the retention of pictures of clearly underage boys genitalia. Perhaps you should put that on next year's fundraising banner), the blatant trough sinecures for former staff etc etc.

What you seem to be missing is that despite all its faults, the UK Online Safety Bill is a response to large tech (admittedly not Misplaced Pages) inaction or deliberate abuse (Cambridge analytics). Perhaps people might be less prone to support rigid legislation if corporations were not so abusive in the first place. The UKs legislative process has largely not changed for 100 years. Once a problem appears, industry is largely encouraged to self manage. If that doesn't work, light touch regulators and fines. If the problem still continues, then it's time to roll out the heavy guns of beurocracy and regulation. The Zuckerbergs and Musks failed to learn from other industries like manufacturing, construction, and banking before them. And this is the end result.

In short, clean up your own house before pontificating on others. Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Did you see Fram's behavior in general onwiki? In the last two weeks, he tried to get EEng banned from AN and ANI for... get this... having a sense of humor. It's a recurring thing, and it hasn't stopped, even since that WMF ban.

Also, what I'm reading from your message is that you're in favor of the UK Online Safety Bill. Are you really thinking that this bill is a positive thing? It's the closest the UK is getting to censorship in ages. Supporting this bill is essentially supporting a dictatorship that can arrest people because they dared talk against the government. LilianaUwU 16:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

You are describing WMF problems, not Jimbo problems. (Although Jimbo may have contributed to letting them become a largely self-appointed ivory tower.) But either way, your post is whataboutism and the real question is this particular piece of legislation. I only know it a bit, and that sounds like it is pretty bad and in direct conflict with how Misplaced Pages needs to operate. North8000 (talk) 17:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

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