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Name

Once aganin. I'll try to be polite. The name? According to his national ID? 194.190.160.211 (talk) 20:24, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Once again? As an unregistered editor, all we can see about you is your current IP address, and nobody from that address has ever commented here before, so we cannot know what you have said in the past. Your comment/question is written as if we should all know precisely what you mean. But it's not in proper sentences, so it's pretty difficult to know what you're asking. Please expand your request. HiLo48 (talk) 00:13, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
And which nation ? -- Beardo (talk) 01:40, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Unnecessary apostrophe

"This moment has also been marked for it's significance in the Cuban government's slow and ultimately final ousting of Virgilio Piñera from official literary discourse in Cuba. Piñera had originally been regarded as an important dramatist of the Cuban Revolution but had later become slowly condemned and finally arrested." Robynteague (talk) 16:33, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for raising it. HiLo48 (talk) 21:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Views in Argentina

I travelled extensively in Argentina and the views on Guevara were unanimous; he is rarely mentioned there and is certainly not a source of pride. Many I met described him as a "psychopath" who enjoyed killing people. He apparently told his father that he "enjoyed the smell of cordite and blood" after he had shot someone through the head. Not sure if this is worth extra exploration. 86.153.86.158 (talk) 17:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

It definitely isn't, I for one know plenty of Argentinians that are in awe of Guevara. Hearsay is not worth being mentioned on Misplaced Pages. 2A02:1811:C1F:8200:3564:4278:E78B:F860 (talk) 12:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

False quotation

There is a particular quote by Guevara that supposedly originates from his interview with Sam Russell and that is also mentioned in this Misplaced Pages article: <<Guevara reiterated that the cause of socialist liberation against global "imperialist aggression" would ultimately have been worth the possibility of "millions of atomic war victims">>. The source for this quote is a collection of writings by Guevara by D. Deutschmann, which is already rather strange since most people claim the quote is from his interview with Russell. Transcripts of that interview show nothing of the sort, however, making it more probable that this is quote could be fabrication. I have not yet been able to get my hands on Deutschmann's collection, but I very much doubt that this sentence would be found in it. 2A02:1811:C1F:8200:3564:4278:E78B:F860 (talk) 12:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Mixup

The passport photo shown at the beginning of the "Bolivian insurgency" section bears the signature of the name (Ramón Benítez) given in the Congo section as his alias used to enter Congo in 1965, so the passport is probably from 1965 rather than 1966, and might-oughta' be moved to that section.


Similarly, although perhaps he did it both times, the description of the changes made to his appearance correspond to those photos and perhaps should move with it. ManlyMatt (talk) 05:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

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Source 100 doesn't make any sense. Quote is from the point of view of someone rescued by Che Guevara during combat, from Joel Iglesias' diary, his "teenage lieutenant". The quote starts by mentioning that Joel is getting shot at, gets rescued by Che. Che does not get shot because the guards overhear him being referred to as "Che". the part that doesn't make sense is the following: ". Later . . . they told me he made a great impression on them when they saw him run out with his pistol stuck in his belt, ignoring the danger, they didn't dare shoot.", how and why would he be communicating, so colloquially at that, to the enemy who was just shooting at him? the formatting of the quote makes me very dubious as well, considering it leads the statement with "later...", which tells us that they took out a part of the quote. Therefore, I am uncertain of the validity of this statement, it is also the only online source of the quote i could find. I would suggest to remove the quote. hope this finds you well XavierNeedsMore (talk) 20:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done That's what the source says. You don't have to believe it. Maproom (talk) 23:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

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Physician should be removed as he was never a doctor, never practiced medicine, never graduated medical school and his diploma has never been shown 2600:1700:6822:7CA0:3931:7913:B26C:6BA0 (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

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