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| An ] on whether "Draft" should be capitalized in NFL Draft articles, including this one, has been opened. <span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS;">'''] ]'''</span> 14:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC) | An ] on whether "Draft" should be capitalized in NFL Draft articles, including this one, has been opened. <span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS;">'''] ]'''</span> 14:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
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Here is a very helpful link that shows proper grammar for this situation.
http://grammartips.homestead.com/caps.html
Or perhaps you can go to the 78 other individual draft pages and see how it is written there.
If you want to change this letter to a lowercase so badly, in keeping with consistency, you will have to go change all the individual draft pages as well. But that point is besides the fact as you are supposed to capitalize it. Zdawg1029 (talk) 00:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, you are right that there are many more pages that should be fixed. See Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (capitalization). In Misplaced Pages, we use sentence case for title, not title case as is the style in some other publications. The article is already correctly titled -- just need to use the same sentence case in the opening sentence. Also notice that lowercase is overwhelmingly most common in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 03:15, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- On the contrary, in Misplaced Pages, we use title case for proper name titles, per WP:NCCAPS, which states that "Do not capitalize the second or subsequent words in an article title, unless the title is a proper name", which this is. The NFL Draft is an official, NFL-designated, proper name title of a specific event, and thus should be capitalized. The NGRAM results being used to support lowercase are wholly flawed evidence, because it includes descriptive rather than titular mentions. For example, compare the NGRAM results for Space Shuttle, which show that lowercase "space shuttle" is more widely used than capitalized "Space Shuttle", but the Misplaced Pages article is at capitalized "Space Shuttle", because that is the official name of the vehicle; that is a similar case showing the difference between a descriptive phrase and an official title. Sources that use lowercase are referring to it descriptively (referring to it as an "NFL draft" in the sense that it is a "draft sponsored by the NFL", in the same way that the "space shuttle" is a "shuttle used in space", but there is also an official "Space Shuttle", the formal term for it designated by NASA), but that does not change that event itself is a proper name title. —Lowellian (reply) 17:29, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think the concept of "titular" has a role in WP styling issues. But let's look at what the n-grams show. On the Space Shuttle issue, n-grams show that most of the lowercase uses are for "space shuttle Challenger" and "space shuttle Columbia", in which "space shuttle" is treated as descriptive. Even NASA does that sometimes, e.g. here and here. In some of the other contexts, it's generic, too, as you say, but yes it's the proper name for NASA's Space Shuttle program. On the draft, caps are much less common in all contexts, as you can see here and here. Really no hint of treatment as a proper name in reliable sources independent of the NFL. And our articles are all about the draft process and results, not the "event" that they sold tickets to and/or put on TV. For 3 years we had it correctly at lowercase, and then a corrupt RM process was interpreted as a consensus to cap it. This needs to be revisited. Dicklyon (talk) 19:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Dicklyon: If you believe the previous RM process was "corrupt", please feel free to start a new RM discussion. The closer at Misplaced Pages:Move review/Log/2016 July#2016 NFL Draft said "endorse closure but allow fresh RM". Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- I do feel free. Just haven't thought the time was right, with all the other things going on, not to mention that ridiculous MR close. Dicklyon (talk) 03:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Dicklyon: If you believe the previous RM process was "corrupt", please feel free to start a new RM discussion. The closer at Misplaced Pages:Move review/Log/2016 July#2016 NFL Draft said "endorse closure but allow fresh RM". Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- I don't think the concept of "titular" has a role in WP styling issues. But let's look at what the n-grams show. On the Space Shuttle issue, n-grams show that most of the lowercase uses are for "space shuttle Challenger" and "space shuttle Columbia", in which "space shuttle" is treated as descriptive. Even NASA does that sometimes, e.g. here and here. In some of the other contexts, it's generic, too, as you say, but yes it's the proper name for NASA's Space Shuttle program. On the draft, caps are much less common in all contexts, as you can see here and here. Really no hint of treatment as a proper name in reliable sources independent of the NFL. And our articles are all about the draft process and results, not the "event" that they sold tickets to and/or put on TV. For 3 years we had it correctly at lowercase, and then a corrupt RM process was interpreted as a consensus to cap it. This needs to be revisited. Dicklyon (talk) 19:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- On the contrary, in Misplaced Pages, we use title case for proper name titles, per WP:NCCAPS, which states that "Do not capitalize the second or subsequent words in an article title, unless the title is a proper name", which this is. The NFL Draft is an official, NFL-designated, proper name title of a specific event, and thus should be capitalized. The NGRAM results being used to support lowercase are wholly flawed evidence, because it includes descriptive rather than titular mentions. For example, compare the NGRAM results for Space Shuttle, which show that lowercase "space shuttle" is more widely used than capitalized "Space Shuttle", but the Misplaced Pages article is at capitalized "Space Shuttle", because that is the official name of the vehicle; that is a similar case showing the difference between a descriptive phrase and an official title. Sources that use lowercase are referring to it descriptively (referring to it as an "NFL draft" in the sense that it is a "draft sponsored by the NFL", in the same way that the "space shuttle" is a "shuttle used in space", but there is also an official "Space Shuttle", the formal term for it designated by NASA), but that does not change that event itself is a proper name title. —Lowellian (reply) 17:29, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Definition of "proprietary"
In the "compensatory pick " section, it says:
"The placement of picks is determined by a proprietary formula ..."
That is not the proper use of this word. Something that is proprietary have been created by a particular person or organization, or could be owned by or licensed for use only by such a person. But it does not necessarily mean secret or confidential.
https://wikidiff.com/proprietary/confidential
https://www.stairstepconsulting.com/practical-proprietary-and-confidential-information-handling/
The league wants to keep the formula secret, probably so that different teams will not game the system. Any NFL employee who leaks it would probably get fired. But it's not the same as a trade secret, that someone might steal and sell to a competitor. The formula itself has no monetary value to any other organization.
I realize, this text comes from the NFL website itself. But there's no reason that Misplaced Pages has to participate in this bastardization of the language. Marzolian (talk) 08:49, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Text copied straight from NFL website
A lot of this page is taken straight from the NFL's own website, here:
https://operations.nfl.com/the-players/the-nfl-draft/the-rules-of-the-draft/
What is the point of copying it? Just summarize it here, and include a link to the NFL's site. Marzolian (talk) 08:53, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
an article for "List of penultimate NFL draft picks"
How about creating an article for "List of penultimate draft picks" to compliment the existing articles " list of first overall NFL draft picks" , "second overall picks " and "Mr. Irrelevant " ? Since the 2nd overall picks get their list, it'd make sense for the 2nd to last ones to get one, too. 2603:6000:8740:54B1:DD35:6940:24B1:219 (talk) 23:25, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
RFC on title of capitalization of Draft
An RFC at VillagePump on whether "Draft" should be capitalized in NFL Draft articles, including this one, has been opened. Frank Anchor 14:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Many editors feel that this is an opinion survey, as actual name changes (even more so given the magnitude and scope of the moves seemingly being attempted to circumvent it) are requested and decided at WP:RM. Other editors think that this RfC might be used to change the article titles without doing an RM. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:43, 13 January 2024 (UTC)