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Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

• Erer Woreda (currently a redirect to Erer (disambiguation)) → Erer (woreda) (currently a redirect instead to Erer (disambiguation)) (move · discuss) – For consistency with all of the other woreda articles, should have (woreda) instead of Woreda. Florificapis (talk) 20:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

  @Florificapis there is content at Erer (woreda). Are they the same woreda, or different? If different, please propose what disambiguators to use for both. If the same, you can simply do a merge and/or redirect. – robertsky (talk) 00:56, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

• Tarwon Jirapan (currently a redirect to Taworn Jirapan) → Taworn Jirapan (move · discuss) – His name is Taworn, not Tarwon. Thai wikipedia confirms that, some English sources wrongly reported his name as Tarwon and that had been repeated by other sources too. 1964 Olympic official report also calls him Taworn source Sports2021 (talk) 00:53, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

• Benjamin Day (publisher) (currently a redirect to Benjamin Henry Day) → Benjamin Henry Day (move · discuss) – Per WP:NATURALDAB and consistency with son's article. Sahaib (talk) 09:48, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
• Moyai Statue (currently a redirect to Moyai statue) → Moyai statue (move · discuss) – currently a redirect to a section of Shibuya which talks about said item, of which i have just made an article for. Messed up and capitalized when moving out of draft space When attempting to correct, was told to come here. DarmaniLink (talk) 18:26, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

• Kellanova (currently a redirect to Kellogg's) → Kellogg's (move · discuss) – A recent (October 2023) RM kept the common name "Kellogg's", yet this has been moved twice in the last few days in undiscussed actions. Please return to the common RM decided-name, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:19, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

  The RM discussion was non-admin closed contrary to policy, and 4 months have passed. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:30, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

  Closed and decided as common name. Four months is a short time in-between RM's, but if one is needed then that's the way to go with this. As an aside, do you know anyone who calls Kellogg's "Kellanova"? ("Kellanova Corn Flakes, they're.....greeeeaaaattt!" doesn't have the same ring). Randy Kryn (talk) 16:36, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

  That is absolutely not how WP:RM works. User:UnitedStatesian, you should know better. 162 etc. (talk) 17:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Contested technical requests

• Ehlers–Danlos syndromes (currently a redirect to Ehlers–Danlos syndrome) → Ehlers–Danlos Syndrome (currently a redirect instead to Ehlers–Danlos syndrome) (move · discuss) – This may be the wrong place for this, but I was unable to move this page to a page with the correct title. An editor misunderstood the action of a consortium that met in 2017 and mistakenly thought the consortium undertook to rename the disorder. That particular consortium did not undertake to rename it, its mission was completely different. Consortiums have no authority to name or rename medical disorders. This disorder is and has always been called Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, as it is referred to by the American Medical Association (AMA), the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the New England Journal of Medicine, and the European Health Union. What a consortium - any consortium - chooses to call it is irrelevant. Also, the redirect of "Ehlers-Danlos syndrome" is inaccurate. Please see the Talk page for a full, in-depth explanation. MarydaleEd (talk) 02:18, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

  @Doc James: You moved this page with the edit summary "per talk". I can't see the relevant discussion, was there consensus for a move? If so this needs to go to full discussion. Polyamorph (talk) 09:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

  I assume the discussion is Talk:Ehlers–Danlos_syndromes#Article_name/syndrome_name, but given Talk:Ehlers–Danlos_syndromes#Rename_page_to_"The_Ehlers-Danlos_Syndromes"_suggested this is clearly a WP:PCM. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:30, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

  For reference, the 2017 moves were https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ehlers%E2%80%93Danlos_syndromes&oldid=802398308 and https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ehlers%E2%80%93Danlos_syndromes&oldid=802403598 -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:34, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

• SLIM (software) is invalid. Must create SLIM (software) before requesting that it be moved to SLIM (slitless spectroscopy simulator software).– WP:AT/WP:PRECISE highly ambiguous disambiguator with many other pieces of software sharing the name -- this title should be redirected to slim (disambiguation) page -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 21:59, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

  I feel the disambiguator is too long but regardless after checking the article it's clearly not sufficiently notable for an independent article and I've prodded it. While it may be true that there are "many other" pieces of software sharing the same name, there are only two actual articles on wikipedia, this one and SLiM (the notability of which also appears dubious) - disambiguation could be dealt with using hatnotes but this is moot if they are deleted. Polyamorph (talk) 11:10, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

• Central Jail Rawalpindi → Adiala Jail (currently a redirect back to Central Jail Rawalpindi) (move · discuss) – WP:COMMONNAME: A lot more sources for Adiala Jail than Central Jail Rawalpindi Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 00:32, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

  This seems OK in principle but it should probably be Adiala jail not Jail, per MOS:CAPS as it's not consistently capitalized in sources.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:13, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

  I would disagree with this. Clearly a proper name, even if not the official name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

  Adiala Jail is frequently referred to as a complete name, so my interpretation is that if "Jail" is included in the name, it should be capitalized. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 21:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

  Sure, it's sometimes capitalised, but the bar for treating something as a proper name in MOS:CAPS is that it be "consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of reliable sources". In fact, we see a very mixed bag. Ngrams show a slight lead for capitalised version, but nowhere near that substantial majority bar. And sources not capitalising jail include these: . I suspect that because it is the common name, but not the official name, many sources are simply treating it as a descriptive noun rather than a proper noun.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  I notice that many sources capitalize "Jail," and since we already have a redirect for it, all we need to do is transfer the current page to that redirect. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 22:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  When some source use caps and others don't, Misplaced Pages prefers WP:LOWERCASE. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

  Okay, let's use "Adiala Jail." Also, take into account how other jail articles are named on Misplaced Pages. If most of them are capitalized, I'll still advocate for capitalization. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 19:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

• Hans Christian Andersen → H.C. Andersen (currently a redirect back to Hans Christian Andersen) (move · discuss) – More known by his initials then by his full name DrKilleMoff (talk) 12:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  • What a load of absolute rubbish. Very definitely known much more by his full name in the English-speaking world. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
  • It appears that government/academic sources in his native Denmark use "H.C." per specific customs, but someone arguing that he's "More known by his initials" is not even in the same universe as anyone who has ever read a book. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

    They do have books in Denmark and other Nordic countries, where H.C. Andersen seems to be common. (See da:H.C. Andersen, sv:H.C. Andersen, fi:H. C. Andersen, no:H.C. Andersen, is:H.C. Andersen, fo:H.C. Andersen.) But it isn't more common in English. See Google Ngrams. SilverLocust 🃏 💬 19:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

    DrKilleMoff please click on the "discuss" link to open a discussion if you want to pursue this, as otherwise this request will soon be removed as not done. Thanks. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

  • Also see WP:SPACEINITS. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
• ParaHoxozoa → Parahoxozoa (currently a redirect back to ParaHoxozoa) (move · discuss) – As described in the page itself and discussed on its talk page, the zoological literature has been moving to the form "Parahoxozoa" and that style of capitalization is standard for zoological nomenclature. The request for assistance is to get the 83,000 links to the page (!) to use the new spelling rather than all pointing to a redirect page. DWorley (talk) 02:33, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  Jts1882 has now replied at Talk:ParaHoxozoa wanting more evidence before this is moved, so I will move this to contested for now. I also think almost all of the links are from navigational templates that would be fixed easily or automatically. SilverLocust 🃏 💬 07:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  DWorley, this is a WP:PCM. Please click on the "discuss" link to open a discussion if you want to pursue this. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:17, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

• Yun Posun (currently a redirect to Yun Po-sun) → Yun Po-sun (move · discuss) – The hyphenated version is overall more common per this ngrams and is also more in line with WP:NCKO Dantus21 (talk) 22:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

  The ngrams seem to run neck and neck for the past 15 years, and the title has been discussed in RM discussions before, so I'd recommend a formal discussion here as it may be a WP:PCM.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:57, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  Hey Amakuru,

  You're right that the ngrams have been running neck in neck for the past 15 years. I'm sure not everyone will like "Yun Po-sun" (not everyone can like everything). However, the policy at Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Korean) (see the given name subsection under Romanization) states If there is no personal preference and no established English spelling, hyphenate the syllables, with only the first syllable capitalized (e.g., Hong Gil-dong). "Yun Posun" and "Yun Po-sun" are both even, but the policy states that hyphenation should be used if there isn't an absolute common name. I think Misplaced Pages policy should take priority over people's preferences, but if you still strongly feel this needs a discussion after reading this, I can start one. Dantus21 (talk) 21:52, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  This seems like a WP:PCM to me (especially with Talk:Yun_Posun#Requested_move_3_January_2015), so should have a discussion. I have no opinion on the move itself. -Kj cheetham (talk) 22:14, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  I should note that Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Korean) is a guideline, not a policy. -Kj cheetham (talk) 22:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

• Rano (Emirate) (currently a redirect to Rano Emirate) → Rano Emirate (move · discuss) – parentheses not needed, consistency with other titles in Category:Emirates of the Sokoto Caliphate. Wikishovel (talk) 14:03, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

• This should be merged into Rano instead, as they are about the same topic. Bensci54 (talk) 14:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

• Mykhailo Zhyznevskyi → Mikhail Zhyzneuski (currently a redirect back to Mykhailo Zhyznevskyi) (move · discuss) – The old article title is a transliteration of the name from Ukrainian. However, the hero of the article is Belarusian. I would rename the page myself, but since the redirect already exists, it needs administrative removal. Here you can check the correctness: , . MocnyDuham (talk) 13:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

• Moving this because it appears to not require an administrator, only a page mover. Bensci54 (talk) 17:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  • Comment, I meant moving it from admin req'd to uncontroversial. I do not know enough about the situation to know if the page itself should be moved.

  Bensci54 (talk) 01:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

  Note that Misplaced Pages translates Belarusian names using BGN/PCGN, so the proposed "Mikhail Zhyzneuski" is incorrect. See WP:BELARUSIANNAMES. 162 etc. (talk) 05:29, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

  So it should be Mikhail Zhyznyewski? Bensci54 (talk) 18:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

  I missed that the OP cited two English-language sources above that use "Mikhail Zhyzneuski" - although I'm not familiar with either website and can't say for certain if they are reliable. The article only cites foreign-language sources. Mikhail Zhyznyewski is the BGN/PCGN transliteration, although WP:COMMONNAME would override it. 162 etc. (talk) 01:52, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

  This is sounding like a WP:PCM. Please click on the "discuss" link to open a discussion if you want to pursue this. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:19, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

• Matthew Crosby → Matthew Crosby (comedian) (currently a redirect back to Matthew Crosby) (move · discuss) – Due to two persons with the name Matthew Crosby (the singer and the comedian), I propose to name add (comedian) to the page Matthew Crosby to eliminate confusion with the page Matthew Crosby (singer). N. Meijer (talk) 15:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Dubious. I'm not entirely sure that Matthew Crosby (singer) is notable, per WP:BANDMEMBER. That article can likely be merged to The Common Linnets, and a hatnote added to Matthew Crosby. 162 etc. (talk) 15:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@N. Meijer: This move is potentially controversial, so it would require a requested-move discussion, which you can begin by clicking "discuss" on your request. You can remove this request after opening a discussion (or if you do not want to continue). SilverLocust 💬 03:41, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Administrator needed