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Agile Enterprise Deletion

KillerChihuahua, I am the author of the wikipedia page about the Agile Enterprise, which you recently deleted. I am new to wikipedia but believe you deleted the page because you thought it was self-promotion and/or not notable material. I was hoping that you could elaborate on this because I feel that the page on agile enterprise met the criteria of wikipedia. The term agile enterprise is not one that I made up myself or that is only studied by my professor at Cornell University. Rather, it is one that is found in numerous articles and books, which I was planning to add to the reference list. I thought that posting about it on wikipedia would be good because it is a growing concept and this is supposed to be a place to supply information to people about various concepts. Misplaced Pages itself is an agile enterprise, as discussed in the book "The Starfish and the Spider." I would be happy to provide further reasoning as to why I think this page should be on wikipedia and should not have been deleted if you need more. Please let me know more details as to why you deleted this page and what changes you would deem necessary for it to be re-posted. Thanks very much, Agilon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Agilon (talk • contribs) 00:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

To understand what happened, lets look at the series of events: Agile enterprise was created by you 18:24, 3 April 2007, and subsequently had 12 more edits, all by you. There were no inline citations, and there were links to Agilon and the Agilon blog (blogs generally fall afoul of our external links and/or spam guidelines. Agilon, the first of the external links, is a website with the slogan "The world's premier provider of knowledge on the agile enterprise" - a commercial site. The blog is of course as mentioned before problematical if not outright disallowable. A third external link, placed between the two Agilon links, and completely unlabled, leads to a site which is either "Agile Enterprise Architecture" as the title states, or "Agile Data" as the logo states, owned by Ambysoft Inc. and authored by Scott W. Ambler. A bit of examination of that site shows that it is a site for selling training in agile development, and seems to be a one-man enterprise - in the sense of effort or attempt, not Enterprise level company. The main page for www.ambysoft.com/ states it is Scott Ambler’s Web Site, and that all material is copyrighted. The about page informs us that the purpose of the site is "it's purpose to market my services as an independent consultant in object technology and to continue to market my writings" - another commercial site.

The References provided were not correctly formatted, understandable but also must be taken into consideration as this made it far more difficult to verify they even exist, let alone support the assertions made in the article. There were three: the first I find is a book complete with ISBN, but was listed as coming from a portfolio circa 2006 in the references. I have no idea what "portfolio" was intended to convey in that context, but it certainly gave the appearance of being an unpublished work. The second reference was to a "Working Paper" - again, is this a published work? The third is to an individual - Dyer, Lee; of Cornell. This is most certainly not a published work and indeed is original research, specifically prohibited by Misplaced Pages policy. To be clear, policy is a much more important "rule" than a guideline. MastCell tagged the article for speedy deletion under criteria CSD G11 at 23:19, 5 April 2007, which placed the article in the category for speedy deletion. No "hangon" tag was placed on the talk page; this is understandable - you may not have been online during the interval - but must be taken into consideration. I was going through the candidates for speedy deletion on 6 April 2007 and at 00:25, I deleted the article. There are two commercial sites and one blog as links, and the sources are for a book promoting the concept which the external links are selling, what appears to be an unpublished paper, and an individual. This is not an encyclopedic article. Should you wish to write an enyclopedic article on this topic, there seem to be sources which are not commerical and are more notable than the ones you chose. Agile data has an rank of 356,625 which is not that bad. The three month ranking has fallen by 15% however. The top rated book appears to be The Agile Virtual Enterprise: Cases, Metrics, Tools (Hardcover) by H T. Goranson, ISBN-10: 1567202640 - a book for which Misplaced Pages does not yet have an article. The illustrations for the article as well as what appears to be a good deal, if not all, of the content (I do not have time to compare in-depth) come from a .doc hosted on the Agilon site, which is on the Cornell.edu server - which is the employer of Professor of Human Resource Studies Lee Dyer, a primary "source" for the article. No copyright was provided for the illustrations, and they will be deleted in a week or two if none is provided. Much of the content appears to be copyright violation (copy of the content of the Agilon site) and/or original research. And a very big issue: The splash page for the Agilon site has in large bright bold text:

Want to learn more about

the Agile Enterprise?

http://en.wikipedia.org/Agile_enterprise

In short, you are Agilon: you appear to be trying to sell training in agile enterprise, and you appear to be using Misplaced Pages to promote your (or your friends) service and site. You are probably either Lee Dyer, Scott Ambler, or a friend or associate of one or both of them - although this last is speculation and frankly doesn't really have much bearing at this point, except that if you are, you may wish to read WP:COI before proceeding. As both illustrations Agility.jpg and Agility2.jpg had noted as the Source: Lee Dyer, and the site which seems to be the one being promoted is on Cornell's server, my money is on Lee Dyer.

Please let me know if you have any questions - be concise please - and please sign your post with four tildes (~~~~). KillerChihuahua 14:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I am afraid I did not explain myself entirely in my first talk to you, so this has led to some confusion. I am a student at Cornell taking a class taught by Lee Dyer that teaches students about what an agile enterprise is. In the second half of the course we conduct a simulation where we strive to share the knowledge we acquired in the first half of the semester with others, the simulation includes us being an organization called "Agilon" and our mission is to be the premier providers on knowledge of the agile enterprise because we want to teach others what we learned and hopefully help them to understand the concept of organizational agility better. So I understand completely your concern that we were trying to sell training because of the Agilon website, but that site is much more about how we function as our class organization. If you look, it has our work process and some projects we have worked on. But I have no problem not putting a link to that, or any other consultig website on the page about the agile enterprise. I am currently revising the information I had put up before to include many more references on the information and also have updated information for the article that was just a working paper before. I hope that once I put up this page again, it will meet the guidelines of wikipedia. There will probably be many edits done by me again, as I am just learning how to format and post on wikipedia. And much of the information will be similar to what is on the Agilon website because this is all valid information on the agile enterprise that we have learned and researched that we want to share with those out there who are interested. It was our hope through the wikipedia page that people who typed in "agile enterprise" could find out the history and some of the concepts involved with it, at no point was the intent to promote Agilon (as we will be done with the class in about a month) so I am sorry for the confusion. I am working on revising the document and re-posting and I hope that you will contact me with any concerns before deleting it again. Please let me know if you have any advice. Agilon 19:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

So, you know Dyer. As I said, not a surprise.

I have put a standard Welcome message on your talk page - please read the linked content.

If you wish to write an article about Agile enterprise as a concept, I suggest you do so in your userspace (in a location like User:Agilon/Agile enterprise), then move to mainspace. Do not upload images for which the copyright is anything other than GFDL or free. To begin with, the (now deleted) article reads like an original research essay. Take some time to visit the featured articles, and see what is expected. featured article review can be very informative on where articles do not meet standards. Use inline citations - I suggest using the cite templates. Begin with a description, and as it is a fairly new concept, call it that, and give the year and who coined the term - sourcing per WP:V and WP:RS. Do not under any circumstances use for sources any blogs, forums, non notable websites, or individuals. Do not use commercial websites, and do not use the "Agilon" website(s). Use news articles, magazine articles, and where possible books. Start with a short article and format correctly - if you follow the links in the welcome message, this is all explained. If you have any problems or questions you may ask me, or place a {{helpme}} template on your talk page and someone will help you. If you wish, you can try getting adopted by an experienced editor. Finally, once you feel the article is ready for a move to mainspace (article space) you may wish to have more experienced editors review it - this would be if you haven't gotten adopted, in which case have him or her review it - and don't be surprised if it is nominated for deletion, even so. Agile enterprise is hardly the Third Punic War. It is a minor business concept. I don't mean to discourage you, merely to prepare you for the possibility. Write a good article and source it thoroughly, using an encyclopedic writing style, and try not to use Dyer's works too much as sources. Good luck, and have fun. KillerChihuahua 20:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Adding, if you do write in your userspace then move, make sure you move, do not copy-paste! Keep the edit history intact. KillerChihuahua 20:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Hellp!!!

Is this an appeasement too far? Is this chappie to be the patron saint of faith based npov? Goes off to kennel for much needed nap. .. dave souza, talk 20:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Bolonkins

(This note is addressed to you and Ryan Delaney.) Thank you for deleting Kinetic Space Tower and Centrifugal Space Launcher. Actually I am certain that these articles were created by or with the full permission of Alexander Bolonkin so using copyvio to get rid of them was "cheating". But I am getting a bit frustrated at the way other Wikipedians do not seem to recognise the limited notability of Bolonkin's ideas. I would be interested in your views on the other six similar articles at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Gas tube rocket hypersonic launcher. -- RHaworth 09:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

They are copyright Alexander Bolonkin, copyright has not been released to GFDL, so what you are "certain" of is immaterial. I find it odd that respecting copyright is something you consider "cheating". If the other articles are also copyright violations, they will in due time be deleted. KillerChihuahua 09:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

• Actually, if he posted them on Misplaced Pages, then they were released under the GFDL when he hit the "submit" button. --Ryan Delaney 14:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

As we have no confirmation whatsoever that Bolonkin has ever edited Misplaced Pages, and he has not stated on his site or elsewhere that I can find that he released rights under GFDL, that does not apply here. KillerChihuahua 15:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

• Right, I agree that it is difficult to confirm that the person who submitted the text is actually the copyright holder, which is why the articles should stay deleted until we have confirmation. --Ryan Delaney 17:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

If Bolonkin got his act together, he would undoubtedly provide a copyright release for his material. Using copyvio to get rid of this stuff therefore shows a lack of integrity on our part, "cop-out" is the phrase: we are dodging the real issue of whether these articles are suitable subjects for WP. I find it slightly weird - I seem to be lone voice - does no-one else realise that these ideas all verge on science fiction? -- RHaworth 11:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

We are not using copyright as an "excuse" to "get rid of" these articles. Copyrighted material is not allowable in Misplaced Pages. Frankly it doesn't matter if Bolodkin is a hack and his papers and concepts sci-fi, or if he is the next Nobel prize winning genius. It does not matter - we must delete copyright violations. Copyright violations are not permissible for use on Misplaced Pages, regardless of their merit or lack thereof. How clear can I make this? KillerChihuahua 11:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, please delete Utilization of Wind Energy at High Altitude. I will tag the others later. -- RHaworth 11:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Censorship in Cuba

Shame to write such idiocy.Xx236 14:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Did you have a point, are you trolling, or are you planning to expand and/or correct the article with cited content? Your post is unclear. KillerChihuahua 14:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Attack?

KC, I fail to see how my comment here was an "attack" on FM that couldn't be allowed to go "unnoticed," at least relative to his immediately preceding comment and the one shortly before it. Can you explain, please? Gnixon 02:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

FM said "This group of yours has gone out of its way to malign the various admins here, myself included" and then he discussed content, not you - explained how your actions are clearly becoming tendentious editing, and said " WP:AGF requires us to assume your good faith, but not in the presence of evidence to the contrary. "'. Your response? "you don't exactly have a rosy record within the "community."" - which is not commenting on his edits, nor any policy or guideline he may be in danger of violating on that talk page, but a personal, and negative, judgement which is 1) your opinion, not backed up by anything, and 2) a personal attack. What is so hard to see about that? I find it odd that you brought up his previous post, as he specifically mentions your maligning editors, and your response was to yet again malign him! KillerChihuahua 11:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I understand your point, but I think including me in some arbitrary group and then accusing "us" of various things, including editing without good faith, and saying the "community" will not stand for "us" constitutes a thinly veiled personal attack. I thought my response was measured and appropriate, but in the future I'll phrase things in an impersonal way. Thanks for responding. Gnixon 14:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

editura gama deleted

Hello Please tell me why was editura gama deleted ? Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ellakali (talk • contribs) 09:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

WP:CSD A7, no assertion of notability. Also probably qualifies under CSD G11, advert, since the only link was to the company site. KillerChihuahua 20:41, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Francisco Gil-White mediation

You may recall User:Ryan4, who repeatedly tried to spam links to http://www.hirhome.com to various Misplaced Pages articles - you tackled him about it on his user talk page (User talk:Ryan4#Stop spamming) and on AN/I (Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive123#User:Ryan4). He appears to have learned nothing from the experience and has now brought a mediation case, singling me out for some reason. See Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-03-31 ChrisO‎. Given your previous intervention in the matter, I've added you as an involved party. My response is at Misplaced Pages talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-03-31 ChrisO#ChrisO. Naturally I think the whole thing's a waste of time and I'm encouraging the mediator to dump it on the grounds of Ryan4's bad faith, but it would be helpful if you could add a comment or two so that we can have a record of where things stand. Unfortunately I don't think this will be the last we'll hear from the hirhome fan club - Ryan4 now appears to be coordinating with fellow hirhomers. -- ChrisO 18:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I agree 100% with what you wrote - however, it'll be useful to have our collected comments in one place if and when the hirhomers try to make another move. -- ChrisO 23:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know about this, I am unfortunately unable to be on very much right now and I would not have known about this had you not brought it to my attention. KillerChihuahua 01:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem. -- ChrisO 06:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

3RR

hello I have made 4 edits in these articles during the day: Račak incident and Gazimestan speech because of disruptive edits by the user Nikola Smolenski. I hope I will not get blocked. Can I do anything to avoid blocking? Thank you in advance --Noah30 13:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Revert your last edit and state in the edit summary "reverting self to avoid violating 3RR". KillerChihuahua 13:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, except if the Račak incident is the one I also reverted, just leave it alone - that was a link to a copyright violation and I have stated in my edit summary and on the talk page that is the situation. If anyone reports you for that, post a link here. KillerChihuahua 13:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello

The reason i asked Nikola for help is that he is more familiar with the rules of wiki, so i figured he could help me with which ways to go do deal with this users. There are now 3 ip:s changing almost the exact same articles, 124.186.125.166, 124.185.183.180 and 124.186.124.51. One of these edits include putting up a picture of User:Ivan Kricancics brother on Smith's (potato chips). The ip:s are also from Queensland, Australia the same state in which Ivan is from. Paulcicero 13:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Then I suggest checkuser. Confirmation will make it easier to deal with. Use the vandalism warnings and report the vandalism. KillerChihuahua 14:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Check this out: This user is a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet of Ivan Kricancic as established by Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Ivan Kricancic, and has been blocked indefinitely.

Noah's Ark

KC, Codex placed a tag on the article stating that it is part of WikiProject:Religion: it is not see (http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Codex_Sinaiticus&diff=124480781&oldid=124478512). I'm out of reverts -- if you would, could you remove his tag? •Jim62sch• 11:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

PBA Act articles

There's been an upsurge in activity on Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, Intact dilation and extraction, Gonzales v. Carhart, and Abortion in the wake of the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision, which was featured on "In the news" on the Main page. We've got our hands full, and and we could use another set of eyes watching over things, if you've got the time. Thanks! -Severa (!!!) 12:15, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

RI Mediation

I hope that you are feeling better. Will the mediation at RI continue? It seems that the other editors have moved on to completely reorganize the project, while I have waited for mediation to determine the direction of the process. Am I being naive? I noticed that the limitation to registered users was removed today from the main article. Thanks. --Kevin Murray 16:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Health

Get better! --PaxEquilibrium 19:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Big time

You're right, I do owe you! Sorry for dragging you into the Gil-White business. I'm still rather taken aback at Nikola's position on the issue - it's obtuse even for him. Never mind though - I think he's got the message now. Thanks for your assistance, best wishes for your health and I promise not to tax you too hard in the future. :-) -- ChrisO 19:22, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Račak incident

Račak incident User Nikola Smolenski is making disruptive and POV edits in this article Račak incident. Some days ago you asked him to stop but he is back and continues with the same. Can you talk to him once again? --Noah30 15:38, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

He is back again using account Nikola Smolenski and other accounts and keep vadalizing everything. Can we do anything? I get headache of him. I hope I am not disturbing you and wish you good health. --Noah30 18:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

DMOZ Section on WP:EL

I just reverted your edit to the WP:EL page - there is an ongoing discussion on the Talk page about whether this section which has been in for several months, should stay or be changed. I don't feel we should make changes to the page until those discussions have been resolved. Would welcome your input to that discussion. Thanks. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 18:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)