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Question from KATgeneral1900 (02:19, 26 November 2024)

Regarding the format of the cited documents, I mean, under the format of the references, how should I relate them to my content? --KATgeneral1900 (talk) 02:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@KATgeneral1900 With any kind of citation, it needs to relate to the subject of the article by talking about it for at least a paragraph. Maybe the links I just gave you will help you further. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I see..I mainly edit the items of biology and paleontology. Is it allowed to copy the descriptions of quoted documents on a large scale in some skeletal descriptions? For example, Madsen described the skull of Allosaurus in 1976.After that, I will summarize this information. KATgeneral1900 (talk) 04:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@KATgeneral1900 In the case of fully copyrighted text*, absolutely not. Summarize the text, and then fill out a {{cite}} (for example, {{cite journal}}) template well enough that someone can verify that summary if they wanted to. If you can't do it in all one edit, start filling out the cite template immediately after publishing the summary so you don't forget.

*In absence of evidence to the contrary, the creation of others are always fully copyrighted. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Another article to help review

Hey, can you help me determine if Kiana Tom is notable or not? Long story short, the article has a long history of people coming and trying to add promotional fluff to the article. While not the worst I've seen, the article was in a poor state when I came across it via another article. The sourcing is atrocious, to say the least.

I think it's likely that she passes GNG, given she's mentioned in a review and hosted a couple of TV shows, but the promotional puffery and poor sourcing has me more inclined to see her as not. I want someone with a fresh set of eyes to take a look. Offhand a quick search brings up sourcing like a thirst post from Barstool Sports, so it's definitely going to be a case of digging for sources. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 17:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I mean, one of the sources is her divorce papers. It's in a pretty sorry state. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 17:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I've posted at RS/N to see if that would be usable as a source. I'm always a little leery when it comes to using court documents unless it's paired up with a non-primary source. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 17:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@ReaderofthePack Agreed! It's in a sorry state sourcing wise. I'm getting a similar vibe that she is barely notable, and I'm certain that if this were to be sent to AfD, the people who are adding promotional fluff might get angsted about it if they're paying attention. A Google News search also brings up little. If only WikiProject Women had an active "article for improvement" type deal.

For what it's worth, primary sources are okay for verifying information like birth names; they just don't prove notability. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 17:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah.. part of why I came to you is because well, there was no other place to mention this. I would feel bad bringing it up to WikiProject Women since they're swamped as it is.

I did manage to find a mention in a Taylor & Francis book, which is heartening. I'll try to get back on after I finish with the film article (Cyber Bandits) and see if I can improve this. I was just so dismayed by how terrible the article was that a large part of me just wanted to TNT it so someone could start fresh if she was notable. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 18:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Huh. Apparently she is a semi-common focus with academics because her workouts tended to focus on her attractiveness.

I've done some editing to the page to remove the stuff linked to the IMDb source - I figure if I can find sourcing for that in better locations, I can re-add. I also removed the mention of her divorce and her kids' names. I don't really see the point in adding any of that since it's not really pertinent to Misplaced Pages. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 18:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Someone at BLP/N said that it wouldn't be usable per WP:BLPPRIMARY, so I'm going to remove the court document to be on the safe side. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 18:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@ReaderofthePack I was just so dismayed by how terrible the article was that a large part of me just wanted to TNT it so someone could start fresh if she was notable. Understandable impulse, but the culture of AfD seems to be that TNT should only be used in the most gray area places of notability. Though, I do use a lessened form of TNT via stubbificiation a good deal of the time. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)