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Dera Peter Lee, What a ridiculous user page you made of yourself. I never heard somebody who admires himself so much. Don't you feel a little shame tellingv so many stories about yourself? Please ad always Butokukai because you ar eoding Genseiryu Butokukai not Genseiryu so be complete if you are so self confident it shouldn't bother you to tell the truth. In 4 years from 4th kyu till 4th dan we are all laughing about you sorry to say but we really are we are talking a lot about you always laughing of course thank you for all that fun you made it even better after I read what you are writing about yourself. Many greetings from Holland we hope to see you soon,

As the pages are victims of vandalism, I keep changing whatever I want. If I told you to keep staying in the middle
of the road until you got run over, would you move? Of course you would. Now, when people put false propaganda on 
the Misplaced Pages site, I keep correcting them. Especially as I am the one being attacked all the time. You see, I move. 
So stop ordering me around. This is a waiste of time, and also misplaced, as you obviously have no idea what this is
all about. If you have some constructive input, I would be happy to listen. But your comment was upright ridiculous.

Mr. Lee, this is not the kind of attitude that is appreciated here on Misplaced Pages. Especially not the comment (summary) you wrote on my page (Stay OFF my back, or take time to learn what you are talking about.) . I will simply not tolerate this kind of talking from anybody! You have a serious attitude problem.

As far as I could see it: you deleted a major text part of an article that contains a template saying it is actively undergoing a major edit. Stay away from this kind of articles until the edit is finished! --Shinjitsu 00:16, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Do I have a serious attitude problem? I don't see it. I am not the one waisting other people's time by putting false propaganda and slander on the Misplaced Pages site every day. If you cannot accept my deletion of these person's vandalism and the slander posted here, no matter what kind of posting is put there for major upcoming edit, then YOU have an attitude problem. If you cannot see that, then I'd say that is a major problem. I may even say, that your name is knwon to me, using just another pseudo here. At least I am using ONLY my own name, and facing all problems as a responsible person not hiding behind multiple usernames. As I told you before, stay off my back. You are not helping anyone this way. This will be my last post to you, no matter what you may write. If you want my attention, you should go to my website and write to me directly. This way we can find out, if you are really who you say you are, or whether you are just using another pseudo. I may be wrong about this of course, but actually, I certainly don't think so.

Sir, really, this is not the way to start at a 💕. I urge you to read more about Wikiquette, before you start any article or change any existing article! Others people's input can not just be deleted. Add your input to the text, not in stead of the text! -- Shinjitsu 01:07, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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You should be aware of a few things about the way we work here. Firstly, it is a bad breach of etiquette to delete anything from talk pages (as a practitioner of martial arts I'm sure you realise how bad a breach of etiquette can be). This applies to your own talk page, but even more so to other talk pages. If you disagree with what other people say you can reply, but to remove their comments is very bad.

If you need to ask questions, please do so at Misplaced Pages:Help desk or at my talk page.

Happy editing. DJ Clayworth 01:33, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Reverts

Please be aware that you should not undo someone else's edit (what we call a 'revert') more than three times in 24hrs - even if you are undoing three different people's edits. Doing so can get you an automatic ban on editing for 24hrs. You did this on GENSEIRYU, but I'll assume you didn't know about the rule.

Also, article titles should be in lower case unless the word is always spelled in uppercase only. DJ Clayworth 01:43, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked for 12 hours for violating the Three Revert Rule. Please, in the future do not revert an article more than three times in a 24-hour period.

There is no ownership of articles on Misplaced Pages. Please attempt to work with other editors rather than fighting against them, and assume good faith on their part. Characterizing edits you disagree with as "vandalism" is needlessly abrasive and poor wikiquette.

I understand your frustration, as the version you've been reverting is clearly POV. However, it also adds additional neutral information and corrects many spelling and style problems in the earlier version, so simply reverting it throws out the baby with the bathwater. Please try working towards a compromise with the other contibutors; edit wars serve no purpose. If no compromise can be reached despite a good-faith effort on your part, please follow the Misplaced Pages Dispute Resolution process to resolve things in a civil and amicable manner.

I'm sorry about the inconvenience. Hopefully this will merely be a minor setback and we can al avoid future frustration. — Gwalla | Talk 05:30, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi Peter

I'm afraid I have no knowledge of Genseiryu, so I'm not qualified to pass an opinion on who is right. What I wrote was solely about the removal of comments from talk pages. Your best bet for dealing with someone who disagrees with you about what should be in an article is as follows:

1. Explain on the talk page why you think what you wrote is right. Read what they say as well.
2. Provide references from outside Misplaced Pages to back up what you think. If they do the same, read them.
3. Ask for other people to look at the article and provide advice. Even if they know nothing about the subject they may be able to help.
4. Remember that opinions shouldn't be in an article.
5. If there is a real disagreement over what the facts are, not just between two editors but between different groups of people, then the best way may be to record both views and allow the reader to make up their mind.
6. If the other user really isn't listening to reason, then try Misplaced Pages:Request for comment to get other people's opinions.

I hope that helps. DJ Clayworth 19:01, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Questions

Hello Mr. Peter Lee. I have some questions for you. I am quite interested in Genseiryu as well, just as you are, so here are my questions:

1. How long have you been training karate?
2. How long have you been training Genseiryu?
3. Are you training Genseiryu or Genseiryu Butokukai?
4. You have the 5th dan you say? Is this Dan also recognised by the Danish Karate Federation?
5. You seem rather young (33 years) to have the 5th dan already... When exactly did you receive the 1th, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th dan?
6. Who was the examinator who awarded you each dan?
7. Do you hold any dan from the Danish Karate Federation? If so, which dan is that?
8. Is Lee you real last name, or just a pseudonym? If this is a pseudo, what is your real last name, under which you were born?
9. What is the difference (according to you) between Genseiryu and Butokukai?
10. Why do you keep calling your style and your website "Genseiryu" without the obligatorily term "butokukai"? This obligation has been layed upon your style in Japan by the JKF.
11. If you don't want "your style" to be called "Genseiryu Butokukai", why do you have a reference on your site to a Butokukai-site, namely http://www.genseiryu.jp (at the bottom it says: Copyright (C) 2002 Butoku-kai, also check the link and the header of the page!)
12. If sensei Konno, according to you, "is not a part of Genseiryu", please explain me what his pictures are doing on THE Japanese Genseiryu website (click links bottom left and middle).
13. If you consider yourself to be so important as you say you are, together with Mr. Tosa, why are your pictures not on that website?

Thank you very much for answering these questions and have lots of fun in karate...

Osu!

Gensei-sjeng, 22:13, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Answers

All answers to the questions can be found at our website in Denmark. Please take a look here: .

Absolute nonsens! Humbug! I did not find even ONE answer to my questions there! Another lie Peter!!! What other name starts with a P...??? O yeah, Pinoccio! How long is your nose??? Why don't you answer the questions right here, so that everybody can see! Or are you to afraid?

FUNNY

Well, if you can't read, then perhaps the answers are not there, so maybe you should concentrate. If you can read, then perhaps your questions are too ridiculous for anyone to take an interest. I wonder what you would do, if you could not spend all your time in front of the computer. Are you ever training? Well, please continue to search for your answers. You certainly need to get a lot of things straightened out. Good luck.

BUTOKUKAI

Let me clear one thing up in regard to the Japanese language. The name Butokukai is the name of the dojo, in which Tosa sensei are conducting his teaching. Butokukai is a name on the same linesa are Shotokan, Genwakai, Shitokai, Genseikai, Gojukai etc. In Japanese the last character 'KAI' means gathering, thus you may translate it as dojo. In Denmark my dojo is called Kentokukai. Another dojo in Denmark is called Shojinkan. So these names are used to distinguish the actual dojo from any other dojo. In Japan, we have i.e. Shotokai, they are not doing a style called Shotokai. Their style is Shotokan. Also in Japan, Gojukai is not doing a style called Gojukai, but their style is Gojuryu etc. etc. The reason for i.e. Genwakai, Ryounkai etc. to use their name for both the organisation and style is unknown to me. But I would say that a fair guess would be, that at the time Genseiryu was identified with Tosa sensei, then these organisations chose to go their own way, thus changing their style to differ from that of Genseiryu. In order to avoid confusion, they simply identified their style as identical with the name of their organisation. Actually a smart way, especially if you consider the fact that if all these organisations went their own way, but all still calling their style of Genseiryu, then you would a great number of Genseiryu-styles. Stupid thing. There is only one Genseiryu out there. So anyone claiming that Butokukai is a style, simply has no knowledge of the Japanese language, and are trying to bring even more confusion to the readers.

KONNO's Organization

Even though Mario is extremely active in his ways to force his special opinions upon us all, confusing about who has the true Genseiryu lineage, and who does not, as well as who is what and where, I must say I have given up on talking sense into Mario. His is a lost case, for lack of a better word. In the text he simply say, that Tosa sensei has been ordered by law to always use Butokukai (see above) to Genseiryu. This is ridiculous. Konno's organisation was founded in 2002, but first really came off the start lane in 2003. So if this organisation should have any rights more important then those of Tosa sensei who have used the name since 1953, then no justice exist in the world. And as I have noted before, I consider the Japanese people one of the finest. Of course they are "only" human as the rest of us, so ............. Anyway, this statement is so ridiculous that I am still laughing after reading it. You should too.

Mario's background

You comment a lot on my 5th dan. Well, you are welcome. I find it funny, that you are so interested in my goals and achievements. I believe you are envious? Well, I know I was, when I entered the dojo for the first time in 1997 in Japan. I also wanted to be as skillful as the Japanese masters. But you see, instead of returning home quickly, just claiming some degree, then I returned to Japan on numerous occasions staying there for months and months each time training up to 8 hours each day every day. Since then a total of 8 years has passed, since my first trip to Japan, but 9 years has passed since I first met with Tosa sensei in 1996. Tosa sensei is in my very honest opinion the best instructor I have ever met. Nobody whatsoever just comes near his capacity and dedication. As a matter of fact I searched many years (about 6 years) for a suitable teacher before I kind of by fate, met Tosa sensei. Since then I have seen a great many Japanese masters perform, teach etc. and I have been invited to many dojos. I have never ever seen any teacher like Tosa sensei. Only one has in this time of honesty the ability to pop up in my mind, and that is the personal friend of Tosa sensei. His name is Fujimoto sensei. He is an 8th dan in Shito-ryu and he is among other things famous worldwide for his ability to split an apple into two equal parts, like it was done perfectly with a knife. Fujimoto sensei just does this with his hand (Nuki-te). And the apple is dangling freely from the ceiling in a thin thread. My point is, that even if I had been training only 3 months in total, then I would still have learned more than Mario would have done in 10 years (just used as an example for sake of the argument) learning from Konno or whomever. The reason simply being, that if you have a great teacher, it no longer matters how long you have been training, as long as you are practicing under the most productive conditions at all times. I never waste my time on ridiculous and timeconsuming things. I spent time only on training methods that can and does improve my ability and skill everytime I move. See, that is training. I am indeed very greatful for the opportunity to be the direct student of Tosa sensei, who learned directly from Shukumine sensei. I am thus the third generation of Genseiryu, if you consider the lineage. If what Mario says - just for arguments sake - is true, then at best, he would be about the 6th or 7th generation. But as we all very well know, Konno never learned anything from Tosa sensei (and he never was awarded any rank), and he never learned anything from Shukumine sensei (and he never was awarded any rank). Konno was a member of the Ryounkai, which did not teach Genseiryu. So talking about a lineage is kind of misplaced, when talking about Konno. Because no lineage is there. It is as simple as that. So please Mario, what is your next slander. I look forward to receiving it. This is fun.