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| What is the Tibetan title of the ]? Is it translated? ISBN? | What is the Tibetan title of the ]? Is it translated? ISBN? | ||
| : ] isn't a specific tantric text. It is a class of tantra. Tantra, in the Nyingma tradition, is divided into nine vehicles or yanas. Maha Ati Tantra is the highest of these vehicles. --] | : ] isn't a specific tantric text. It is a class of tantra. Tantra, in the Nyingma tradition, is divided into nine vehicles or yanas. Maha Ati Tantra is the highest of these vehicles. --] | ||
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| Actually, Maha Ati is not even a class of tantra (at least in the Nyingma system). This seems to be an invention of Trungpa Rinpoche to meld MAHAmudra and ATIyoga (i.e. phyag rgya chen po and rdzogs pa chen po in Tibetan). Albill seems to be mistakenly thinking Mahayoga and Atiyoga are one in the same. The Nyingma school groups its tantras into 6, not 9, divisions. There are a total of nine yanas, or vehicles, in the Nyingma system, but only the last 6 are tantric. These are the sravakayana and pratyekabuddhayana (which are associated with the Hinayana), the bodhisattvayana (associated with sutra Mahayana), kriya, upa, and yoga tantra (the outer tantras), and maha, anu, and ati yoga (the inner tantras). As you can see here, Mahayoga (typically identified with creation/development stage meditation) and Atiyoga (identified with "signless" completion stage meditation) are totally distinct categories. They have their own textual traditions and lineage masters and are totally different in terms of practice. | |||
| Hope this helps clarify the issue! | |||
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| Is that "enlightment" a typo? -- ] 00:46 May 10, 2003 (UTC) | Is that "enlightment" a typo? -- ] 00:46 May 10, 2003 (UTC) | ||
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| ==NPOV dispute== | ==NPOV dispute== | ||
| This really seems like an ad for books/seminars/whatever, a glowing description of some sort, without balance. ] 13:22, 25 May 2005 (UTC) | This really seems like an ad for books/seminars/whatever, a glowing description of some sort, without balance. ] 13:22, 25 May 2005 (UTC) | ||
| :*I agree. Most knowledgeable Dzogchen practitioners and scholars I'm aware of are not very interested in the Internet or Misplaced Pages, and this tradition in the West is pretty much where Zen was back in the 1930's. Based on what little I know, the information presented here is all accurate, but desperately in need of attention and substance. ] — ] | ] 03:56, May 26, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Further Work== | |||
| I have done further work concerning the NPOV dispute. However, if you have any direct comments about the work so Far I would appreciate it. There is need for further research on some aspects -- which I am doing. | |||
| Comments welcomed. | |||
| ==When does the NPOV Dispute end== | |||
| I have made numbers of changes and consider from my perspective it should be ok now. Anyone else agree? --] 19:46, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
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What is the Tibetan title of the Maha Ati Tantra? Is it translated? ISBN?
- Maha Ati Tantra isn't a specific tantric text. It is a class of tantra. Tantra, in the Nyingma tradition, is divided into nine vehicles or yanas. Maha Ati Tantra is the highest of these vehicles. --Albill
Actually, Maha Ati is not even a class of tantra (at least in the Nyingma system). This seems to be an invention of Trungpa Rinpoche to meld MAHAmudra and ATIyoga (i.e. phyag rgya chen po and rdzogs pa chen po in Tibetan). Albill seems to be mistakenly thinking Mahayoga and Atiyoga are one in the same. The Nyingma school groups its tantras into 6, not 9, divisions. There are a total of nine yanas, or vehicles, in the Nyingma system, but only the last 6 are tantric. These are the sravakayana and pratyekabuddhayana (which are associated with the Hinayana), the bodhisattvayana (associated with sutra Mahayana), kriya, upa, and yoga tantra (the outer tantras), and maha, anu, and ati yoga (the inner tantras). As you can see here, Mahayoga (typically identified with creation/development stage meditation) and Atiyoga (identified with "signless" completion stage meditation) are totally distinct categories. They have their own textual traditions and lineage masters and are totally different in terms of practice. Hope this helps clarify the issue!
Is that "enlightment" a typo? -- Error 00:46 May 10, 2003 (UTC)
- I dare say yes. --Menchi 05:05 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
NPOV dispute
This really seems like an ad for books/seminars/whatever, a glowing description of some sort, without balance. Whig 13:22, 25 May 2005 (UTC)