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The FreeSwitch Debacle

JS: First thanks for more clearly explaining the Notability issues... it appears the talk page has been locked for new users so I apologize if this is the wrong location for this. I wanted to pass along this article http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061016.gtfrontlines16/BNStory/ another mention of FS while only in passing it does show that the media is aware of the project. Please advise if this is the type of thing you are looking for. --Silik0nJesus 09:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

This would fall under "trivial" coverage... dosn't provide much in terms of establishing notability. Is in indicator that the busness might be on the cusp of reaching notability however. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 23:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Solar power

What a consensus of 1-0 isn't good enough? There are also the proponent and the author and if you count the author of the other version, all of whom abstained from voting, that still makes it 3-1. 199.125.109.41 19:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Gone with the Wind

I appreciate the concern you voiced in your message to me. I do take civility seriously; the nature of my messages, including the most recent, on the article's Talk page reflect my best judgment about how to effectively deal with this particularly clever troll. He has succeeded in luring several productive editors into squandering considerable amounts of time and energy. The nature of my comments was designed not only to affect his future behavior but to highlight that behavior in a memorable way for other editors who might be tempted to waste more time and energy dealing with him.—DCGeist 19:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

While I can appreciate the "tuff love" aspect of what you are doing, you run a very serious risk of looking like a dick. At some point incivility becomes disruptive to the smooth operations of wikipedia, and as you are aware, other then diplomacy there is only one tool available to admins to end a disruption. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 20:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. And as I am not an admin, I have to apply a different decision-making process in deciding how to deal with the major disruption caused by this anonymous troll. Risking looking like a dick is intentionally part of the method I concluded would be most effective in this case. I was blocked a month and a half ago or so not for being a dick, but for completely losing my shit for particular circumstantial reasons--the reference is irrelevant to this case. Using the tools I have at hand (i.e., words and that's all), I have engaged in a focused, clear-headed response to a troll--a response that incorporates a measured amount of incivility--in order to address a serious case of disruption. I appreciate that you disagree with my judgment in this matter. I remain convinced for the time being that my judgment is correct. If you disagree strongly enough, then you should now move to have me blocked if you believe that's appropriate.—DCGeist 20:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

A suggestion if I may ask about the Mutates

Since the section for Mutates is deemed unworthy of an article, would adding the Gargoyles Clone Clan be appropriate, since they are associated with The Mutates? 74.61.186.169 00:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm a bit lost... not sure what your talking about. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 01:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

In the Gargoyles Character section, they include entries on a Gargoyle Clan consisting of Clones. Those clones have strongly associate with the Mutates. So I was suggesting to move the Clone entries to the Mutate section to expand it. Would that be ok? 74.61.186.169 02:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm curious as to why you think Mutate (Gargoyles) needs to be deleted. It covers a particular group of characters. And character groups don't stike me as a violation of any rule. As the discussion on that page mentions, it would only make the List Of Gargoyles Characters too big in content. 71.115.192.199 07:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I just don't think it's appropriate for an encyclopedia to enter the waters of what is really more appropriate for a fan-site. I think a brief description in a larger list would be fine... And, in fact, the page does violate some of our rules. See WP:V and WP:OR. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 17:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The information happens to be vaild. It came from Greg Weisman's page Ask Greg, and if you can't trust the producers own words, then I feel for you. The problem is that some spammers were using the links to the site in their vandalisim resulting in wikipedia banning the links to said site. It seems to me that banning usage of a website just because some spammers messed up is a violation of the good faith policy. 71.115.192.199 19:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not that I don't trust the procurer... it's just that it doesn't satisfy our policies for citations and verifiability. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 19:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

And how are we suppose to link to a website that's banned from use? Because that's where most of the controversal info came from. 71.115.192.199 19:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter... it's not the kind of content we should be including here anyway. It's much better suited to a fan-site or a guide of some kind. We need our articles to talk about the subjects in a way that deals with how they subject interacts with the real world and not try to summaries in-show events or storyline. Also, this conversation really should continue on the AFD debate page. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 19:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Content? Now you're making it out to be a porn site. I assure you, the banning of the site was due to a few spammers.

What bothers me about it is your comment on it: "I just don't think it's appropriate for an encyclopedia to enter the waters of what is really more appropriate for a fan-site." It seems to me that your reason for deletion is more a personal preference than for the good of Misplaced Pages. Not all of life's problems can be solved by deleting them.

Has anyone with higher authority suggested deletion of the site? 71.115.192.199 20:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Why not share your point of view in the deletion debate? My opinions are based on how I read policy and my opinions are in line with the majority on wikipedia. Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information. See also our essay on fancruft, our guideline on how to write about fiction and our guideline on how to evaluate Notability. Once you have reviewed those essays and guidelines you'll see where I'm coming from with my nomination and you'll be able to make a more persuasive counter-argument at the deletion debate. However, I'm no longer going to engage in this conversation on my talk page... it is counter productive. Porn? What are you talking about? ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 22:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Spamming a reliable source is still spamming

Re: . This editor's behavior is clearly spam and is inappropriate per WP:SPAM and WP:NOT#LINK. Sorry if I wrote the report in a manner where it could be interpreted that the links are low-quality. --Ronz 16:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. If the links improve the quality of our article then WP:SPAM should be ignored per WP:IAR. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I guess we disagree. More importantly, I don't see any evidence that 24.148.22.105 made any effort to increase the quality of the articles. His sole contribution to wikipedia is to add 22 britannica links to 22 different articles. --Ronz 20:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Do you think Britannica has any need to spam wikipedia? Without that I'm left with assuming the user meant to be helpfull. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 21:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think employees of Britannica might spam Misplaced Pages, thinking that they'd benefit from doing so. Just look through COIN and WPSPAM to see the problem occurs regularly. --Ronz 22:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

October 2007

Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to test: You may already know about them, but you might find Misplaced Pages:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. test warning ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)