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| :The Azeri language template was removed simply because that language didn't existed when when this khanete ceased to exist. You are welcome to add the Persian version. The category is misleading and runs against the rules on misleading terms. Turkmens, Karazars and several other Turkic people were the ruling elites. I am removing it under the rule on misleading terms. And your comparison doesn't make the slightest sense. Armenia and Armenians have existed as terms at least since the fifth century BC and it was recognized as distinct identity. The comparison here is not Azerbaijani and Armenians, but Turkic and Armenians. If you want to start a category on Turkic Khanates do so, but Azerbaijani Khanate is clearly misleading. ] (]) 19:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC) | :The Azeri language template was removed simply because that language didn't existed when when this khanete ceased to exist. You are welcome to add the Persian version. The category is misleading and runs against the rules on misleading terms. Turkmens, Karazars and several other Turkic people were the ruling elites. I am removing it under the rule on misleading terms. And your comparison doesn't make the slightest sense. Armenia and Armenians have existed as terms at least since the fifth century BC and it was recognized as distinct identity. The comparison here is not Azerbaijani and Armenians, but Turkic and Armenians. If you want to start a category on Turkic Khanates do so, but Azerbaijani Khanate is clearly misleading. ] (]) 19:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ==KHanate origins== | |||
| The reference to Bertsch says that Karabakh khanate was "Azeri" and expands on the title by saying "Azeri in the sense of Muslims who spoke a version of the Turkic language we call Azeri today". Another reference is added available from Svante Cornell's book. Thanks. ] (]) 12:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Sources
Where's your proof that the source is written by a Armenian. Except for there name, which means nothing. Artaxiad 02:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- for proof, either pick up a copy of EB or read the full article on the website, it is signed with Suny's name, and is well-known. --adil 03:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- I restored some of info deleted by Piruz. The article is pretty much sourced, it is based on the chronicles of Bakikhanov, Mirza Jamal Javanshir and Mirza Adigezal bey, who provided very detailed account of the khanate's history. --Grandmaster 10:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I restored the category, it is justified as the khanate was ruled by ethnic Azerbaijani people. --Grandmaster 06:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC) Nowhere in the article is this suggested. Rather persian connection, like Erevan.Hetoum I 06:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- What is Persian there? The khanate was established by ethnic Azerbaijanis, same as Erivan khanate, where Armenians were a tiny minority. Stop removing categories without consensus. Grandmaster 10:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, the khanate was established and ruled by Azerbaijani Turks along with Shirvan, Talysh, Quba, Ganja, Shaki, Nakhichevan khanates. Ehud 05:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
POV and tag
VartanM, you recent edit claiming there can be no Azerbaijani khanate if Azerbaijan did not exist in 19th century is the same as claiming that no Armenian history existed prior to the establishment of independent Armenia in 1918. On an unrelated note, the unreferenced tag on the top is baseless given several references listed at the bottom of the page. Thanks. Atabek (talk) 06:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- The Azeri language template was removed simply because that language didn't existed when when this khanete ceased to exist. You are welcome to add the Persian version. The category is misleading and runs against the rules on misleading terms. Turkmens, Karazars and several other Turkic people were the ruling elites. I am removing it under the rule on misleading terms. And your comparison doesn't make the slightest sense. Armenia and Armenians have existed as terms at least since the fifth century BC and it was recognized as distinct identity. The comparison here is not Azerbaijani and Armenians, but Turkic and Armenians. If you want to start a category on Turkic Khanates do so, but Azerbaijani Khanate is clearly misleading. VartanM (talk) 19:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
KHanate origins
The reference to Bertsch says that Karabakh khanate was "Azeri" and expands on the title by saying "Azeri in the sense of Muslims who spoke a version of the Turkic language we call Azeri today". Another reference is added available from Svante Cornell's book. Thanks. Atabek (talk) 12:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)