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*I will apologise for inconveniencing the Misplaced Pages community "if and only if" the community is prepared to accept that apology - it is ''totally futile'' apologising otherwise. As a gesture of their good faith, I would appreciate restoration of my editing privileges. *I will apologise for inconveniencing the Misplaced Pages community "if and only if" the community is prepared to accept that apology - it is ''totally futile'' apologising otherwise. As a gesture of their good faith, I would appreciate restoration of my editing privileges.
*If you don't believe I can change, then I'm really not concerned about providing you with that belief. However, I believe that I can, and I'm ''probably'' better equipped to make a sound judgement on that issue. I have agreed to degrade myself (!) by accepting mentoring, and I assume that the mentor will help me to change.--] (] '''·''' ] '''·''' ]) 15:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC) *If you don't believe I can change, then I'm really not concerned about providing you with that belief. However, I believe that I can, and I'm ''probably'' better equipped to make a sound judgement on that issue. I have agreed to degrade myself (!) by accepting mentoring, and I assume that the mentor will help me to change.--] (] '''·''' ] '''·''' ]) 15:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

===Further response===
*I emailed Coren after having been referred to him by another administrator. I emailed Sam Blacketer as I'd seen him editing ANI on my watchlist, and considered that he was an open-minded and neutral admin. This isn't really forum-shopping.
*I was shutting down my talkpage because I thought I was on my way out; facts and actions have changed the situation. NB:- I didn't email anyone after shutting down my talkpage, as far as I remember, except for Sam Blacketer as discussed above.
*My use of the phrase "degrade myself (!)" was intended purely humourously, to convey the fact that I am prepared to make personal sacrifices (such as being ] to someone) in order to help make this site a better place.
*I ''would'' appreciate an unblock in order to edit ANI '''only''', as Dweller suggested.
*I ''do'' "get it".
*Obviously this can't go forward until a mentor is found; I would suggest to ] that this was clear from the proposal, and that the entire purpose of the ANI discussion thread is to attract the attention of potential mentors.--] (] '''·''' ] '''·''' ]) 16:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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My response to this

  1. I am prepared to apologise on my talkpage for my disruption to the Misplaced Pages community, provided that the aforementioned community does me the service and grace of restoring my editing privileges very soon, based on the element of sockpuppetry that crept into the case.
  • I do, however, unreservedly deny that the two proxy-IPs who replaced User:Sambure with FUCK FUCK FUCK and so on are in any way connected with me. A Checkuser by Deskana showed that there is no way of proving which user (Sambure or me) used them, and I would tentatively suggest that from your POV, there is a 50-50 chance, given Bonaparte's history of intentional troublemaking (120+ socks) and my history of no outright, 'sweary' vandalism.
  1. I will agree to attempt to fulfil the word and spirit - really one and the same - of WP:CIVIL.
  2. I will agree to be under the mentoring of an admin for three months, however, I would wish to have a selection of maybe 4 or 5 to choose from.
  3. I accept that contravention of any of the above points is likely to end with community ban. However, I want it understood that I would harshly appeal any ban - even to ArbCom - that I felt hadn't been properly dealt out by the community, rather than just by my mentoring admin, and I would like an acknowledgement that any 'indefinite' ban would be appealable after a certain period of time - perhaps 4 months.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 13:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I request anyone wishing to respond to the above does so at ANI, to keep the conversation in one place. Porcupine, as a blocked user, has no option than to post here. --Dweller (talk) 13:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Response to those criticisms of this, that appear on ANI

  • Circuit Judge (talk · contribs) wasn't really a sockpuppet. I acknowledged that it was me, and that it was only to be used for those purposes permitted under WP:SOCK.
  • I didn't really troll an ArbCom page. I asked questions to a candidate, maybe rather pointed questions, but I've lived through enough PMQs to know that they're no bad idea in some situations!
  • I will apologise for inconveniencing the Misplaced Pages community "if and only if" the community is prepared to accept that apology - it is totally futile apologising otherwise. As a gesture of their good faith, I would appreciate restoration of my editing privileges.
  • If you don't believe I can change, then I'm really not concerned about providing you with that belief. However, I believe that I can, and I'm probably better equipped to make a sound judgement on that issue. I have agreed to degrade myself (!) by accepting mentoring, and I assume that the mentor will help me to change.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 15:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Further response

  • I emailed Coren after having been referred to him by another administrator. I emailed Sam Blacketer as I'd seen him editing ANI on my watchlist, and considered that he was an open-minded and neutral admin. This isn't really forum-shopping.
  • I was shutting down my talkpage because I thought I was on my way out; facts and actions have changed the situation. NB:- I didn't email anyone after shutting down my talkpage, as far as I remember, except for Sam Blacketer as discussed above.
  • My use of the phrase "degrade myself (!)" was intended purely humourously, to convey the fact that I am prepared to make personal sacrifices (such as being answerable to someone) in order to help make this site a better place.
  • I would appreciate an unblock in order to edit ANI only, as Dweller suggested.
  • I do "get it".
  • Obviously this can't go forward until a mentor is found; I would suggest to GRBerry that this was clear from the proposal, and that the entire purpose of the ANI discussion thread is to attract the attention of potential mentors.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 16:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)