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Welcome to my talk page.

This is My Talk page. In my home: Nasty, rude, threatening, and / or impolite comments, or postings by editors that I just plain do not like because they have NOT been nice, will be deleted by me.

So, kiss up to me on my talk page or your comments will be deleted.

However, my time is very limited. And, I will NOT engage in endless meaningless chatter.

WikiProject Alternative Medicine

You have listed yourself as a participant of this project. The project has had a minimum of activity. Hopefully this can be changed. I am posting this notice on the user talk pages of those participants that are still active Wikipedians. If you are still interested in getting the project into gear, make yourself heard on the project talk page! Cheers! __meco 09:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I have just freshen up the WikiProject project page. Since the talk page is active, the project is likewise active. I see no need to maintain a list of active versus non-active participants. That will only turnoff new prospects, IMHO. Once a participant, always a participant in intent if nothing else. Want to be active? Then less talk and more edtiting of articles, and forget the talk pages. -- John Gohde 19:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I would like to help out. Please let me know how. -- Levine2112 20:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

See, our open task list on our project page. -- John Gohde 15:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for our new Portal

		The Template Barnstar
		To John Gohde, in recognition of his hard work in starting the brand new Complementary and Alternative Medicine Portal. Thank you so much! -- Levine2112 04:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Melt the clouds of sin and sadness, drive the dark of doubt away!

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Format for Herbs

Does a format for the Herbal pages exist. If not, do you think it would be a good idea? --Anthon01 16:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by format? -- John Gohde 16:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

If you mean the classification of herbs then check out Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Plants or Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Herbs and Spices. -- John Gohde 18:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I meant a format for talking about medicinal herbs. In other words a format that lays out sections that would be common to all articles on herbs. For example "History (Past & Modern), Traditional Uses, Claims, Science, Sources, (where it's grown) Wildcrafted vs. farmed etc ... --Anthon01 20:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

It would be best to discuss that with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Plants or Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Herbs and Spices. I know absolutely nothing about medicinal herbs. Personally, I see no reason to use them when food, exercise, and nutritional supplements work just fine in most cases. -- John Gohde (talk) 02:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Medicinal Herbs are helpful when those things are not enough. There are situations where a person might use a drug, that an herb would do as well or better with less side -effects. I assume that herbs would also be part of the alternative medicine portal. Anthon01 (talk) 18:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

For now, add a herb related article to the Selected Article box. -- John Gohde (talk) 02:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Template title

Hi there, I was unsure what the title of the new "Biologically-based therapy" template means, and what the criteria you used to classify these therapies were. Please comment on the template talk page. Tim Vickers 18:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I you are not sure, then why in the world did you edit it? Just curious. -- John Gohde 19:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I did some research and read the source. The new title is more specific and describes the contents of the template in an unambiguous manner, hopefully you will agree that this is an improvement. Tim Vickers 20:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Portal Quotes

"If one has an issue with the supposed bias of this portal, nominating the whole of it would be sensible." Does this come next? --Anthon01 20:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I rather think that the first step is to communicate what in the world you are talking about. I do not happen to have ESP. Perhaps, if you were to try editing? -- John Gohde 20:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

So sorry. This is from the top of the Portal Quotes summary. "If one has an issue with the supposed bias of this portal, nominating the whole of it would be sensible." I was wondering if this would come next, that is a MFD of the Portal. I am learning about the politics of this place and wonder how these situations usually proceed. --Anthon01 20:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I do NOT have a clue as to what you are talking about. And, I have better things to do with my time than try to communicate with some body who refuses to communicate, for whatever reason. -- John Gohde 20:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to waste you time. --Anthon01 (talk) 23:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

A third part explained to me what you were trying to say.

I never read Xoloz's comment, nor would most editors. This entire MfD will soon be completely forgotten. It is totally besides the point what Xoloz wrote. Opinions are a dime a dozen, including Xoloz's. The only thing that counts is that the move to delete was defeated.

Anybody can do a MfD on any article/list/category/portal, or whatever, at any time. Being constantly attacked by the so-called skeptics is just part of the alternative medicine territory. -- John Gohde (talk) 02:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Orthomolecular medicine

1) You no longer seem "set up to receive emails."

2) I have no doubt that orthomolecular medicine is a "biologically based" alternative medical treatment. And yet I think it confuses more than it clarifies when it is classified in the same group as such esoteric therapies like urine therapy.

Bear in mind that the disputes surrounding these 2 therapies are completely different. Proponents of orthomolecular medicine, many scientists and physicians among them, allege that their discipline is the result of meticulous research in laboratories, that could be proved with double blind placebo-controlled studies, but that these generally have yet to (correctly) be done, or that the studies which are claimed to disprove its validity are erroneous in design or conclusions. Of course, the best case solution would be to replicate these studies, once and for all. Urine therapy, on the other hand, is endorsed by but a handful of eccentrics, and to the best of my knowledge, has no lab results to support it.

While the classification as such is correct, I believe it puts orthomolecular medicine into a very misleading light by inference. Would you consider removing your classification?--Alterrabe (talk) 15:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed! The list should be as small as possible, with only our best articles listed. -- John Gohde 16:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Civility warning

Your "notes" page contains this attack list: User:John_Gohde/notes#Instances_of_Personal_Attacks_by Maintaining such a list violates Misplaced Pages's civility policy, WP:CIVIL. Please remove the list, refrain from maintaining a similar public list of accusations of impropriety and read and abide by WP:ICA. FeloniousMonk (talk) 19:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I have removed that one specific section from my notes page. -- John Gohde (talk) 20:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for being reasonable. It's appreciated. FeloniousMonk (talk) 21:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd trusted you to have done the right thing and remove your entire list of accusations of alleged impropriety by others, but I see you've left an entire series of sections on Fyslee; I hope my trust wasn't misplaced. I see almost nothing on that page that is civil, please finish the job and remove the comments about Fyslee. FeloniousMonk (talk) 02:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Is this your blog ? FeloniousMonk (talk) 02:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I did precisely as instructed. Currently, I have been blocked for 48 hours for what I consider to be the exact same issue. These people have been complaining about the same thing for at least 2 weeks. Currently, I am not allowed to edit that page. They have managed to have me blocked for another 48 hours on these old Civility issues. That link returns a 400 Bad Request. It is not a blog. It is a Google page web site. -- John Gohde (talk) 01:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Added Link

Thanks for finding that Dixon link on CAM article. Anthon01 (talk) 03:19, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

CAM

Since you are a frequent editor to CAM I wanted to point out this note I left on Guettarda's talkpage. Anthon01 (talk) 17:03, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

It appears that Guettarada has made some extensive edits. Unfortunately, I am in the middle of making a major rewrite of complementary medicine. Making 3 reverts in one day will get you kicked off of Misplaced Pages for 24 hours. But, waiting 24 hours between each revert wont. I would advise that you edit boldly and correct all errors and all non-NPOV edits made by Guettarada. The article is what counts, rather than the talk page. Any non-NPOV editing made today, can always be corrected next week. -- John Gohde (talk) 19:54, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

"But, waiting 24 hours between each revert wont." I suggest you reread WP:3RR --Ronz (talk) 19:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

This is interesting. What I corrected just 30 minutes ago, has already been reproduced in a mirror/copy of Misplaced Pages. So, sometimes time does count. Depends upon how much damaged Guettarada actually did to the article. You can always Email Me Anthon01 in order to avoid all these echoes. -- John Gohde (talk) 20:09, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, that mirror copy of Misplaced Pages is updated immediately. All but 2,300 of its 302,000 webpages are in Google's supplemental index. Which makes it all but invisible in Google for all but the most specific searches. Ergo, it should soon go out of business for duplicating Misplaced Pages, exactly. -- John Gohde (talk) 01:20, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The saga continues

Thought you might be interested: . Have a happy holiday! Seicer (talk) (contribs) 18:00, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

Women Gets Raped and Is Sentenced to 6 Months in Jail and 200 Lashes -- I can identify with this women very much.

Fsylee is on record for making the 1st personal attack, I get harassed consistently by Fsylee, I get harassed and attacked on Christmas day (which I celebrate), my Christmas was totally spoiled, complained about it. And, I am the one sentenced to being blocked for 48 hours while the others just intensify their personal attacks against me. Misplaced Pages has a very strange sense of justice. Exactly what edit war was going on Christmas day? It is all so laughable. These people have been making the exact same complaints for about 2 weeks on my talk page. Once, I realized what they were trying to do I have been extremely careful not to be goaded into anything that could be construed as a personal attack. How much more mileage can they get out of this nonsense?

I run about six (6) other websites, one of which includes a Dictionary of Alternative Medicine. So, not being able to edit here for 48 hours wont stress me out at all. It is just that I don't like to be publicly violated. -- John Gohde (talk) 04:56, 26 December 2007 (UTC)