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Michael Q. Schmidt (actor)

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Disputed prod, questions about this actor's notability. Procedural nomination. UsaSatsui (talk) 08:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep He has been in over 200 film and television projects and seems to backed up by references. Appeared in numerous notable films. Can't see the problem here. M♠ssing Ace 09:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Weak delete unless primary claim to notability, playing the Mountain Troll in the Harry Potter series, can be confirmed by independent coverage. The rest of this is just puffery for minor and fleeting roles. --Dhartung | Talk 10:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Delete, seems to be nothing more than a moderately successful bit-part actor. Lankiveil (talk) 11:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC).
• Delete - Vanity page was created by Schmidt and edited by his sockpuppets to bolster his claims of notability. Article was being maintained solely with promotional material using almost entirely original research in violation of WP:AUTO, WP:OR, WP:SPAM and WP:ADVERT. Information in article is almost identical to that on his IMDB page and most of the references cited are to his personal website in violation of WP:V and WP:RS. This is one of a number of spam articles created by these accounts to promote this actor and it should be deleted first as spam and second to discourage others from using Misplaced Pages as a marketing vehicle for their acting resume. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 14:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Somewhat notable actor with reprising roles in several shows. See article's talk page for further information (no need to put it all here). I concur this article was initially added and updated by a registered sock and in violation of WP:ADVERT, but that doesn't make the information inaccurate. Additionally, subsequent edits have made put this article IAW WP policy and guidelines.131.44.121.252 (talk) 15:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC) (BQZip01)

• This information is entirely promotional in nature. You have not yet provided a reason for keeping this article other than your belief that the article isn't inaccurate because it hasn't been proven so. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 15:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

• Many articles about an object have sources that are from a personal website. As long as they are not controversial or inaccurate, the basic facts are certainly citable from that source. It certainly could use more sources to make it better, but that is not a requirement of WP:DEL. Furthermore, I did provide other reasons on the talk page of the article and felt it very pointy to duplicate that information here, so I gave a reference. It is that simple. Please try not to read too much into my disagreement. — BQZip01 —  21:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - Played regular characters on several TV shows, Appeared on Jimmy Kimmel live, Penn & Teller: Bullshit!, and Distraction. Many minor roles in movies. Why is this even up for AfD? If there is a problem with the tone of the article, fix it, but there's no question this is notable. Torc2 (talk) 21:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - Schmidt has said he hired a publicity company to write this article and now requests that it be deleted. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 12:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

• That's sad, but kind of irrelevant. Whatever conflict occurred in the past needs to stay there. At the absolute minimum, we know that Schmidt is notable, and that's enough reason to keep an article on him. The contents can be worked out on the article itself. Hopefully editors will treat the material with some dignity, since minor wikicrimes shouldn't prejudice Wiki's article about somebody against them. Torc2 (talk) 13:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

• I do not belong here on this page, but feel I need to make a progress report. Please keep in mind that since the article is about me, my every word is suspect. I can not be expected to have NPOV because of COI. However, Cumulus Clouds and I have been having a very reasonable discussion on my talk page (feel free to visit) where he has granted that I may be notable enough to have an article on me remain on Wiki and that the article now being considered for deletion is not the same article he sent here. In his supporting the tenets of Wiki in the strongest way possible, he kept editing the article, even though he was sure it would be deleted anyway, and unfortunately turned the article something which would be a total embarrasment to Wiki. We both agreed that editors trying to confirm any possible worth would have had to check the edit hitory of the article itself and then spend all kinds of time trying to compare earlier and later versions... and it would be quite time-consuming. I am grateful that he has agreed to restore the article to what it was the day it was introduced to AfD as an aid to editors here. I have concurred with him that if editors here at AfD feel the original article was non-notable, that I would be happy to have it go.. and if editors here felt the original version did have some worth, I was willing to have it stay. I do not know when the article will be restored (however tenperary). Thank you. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 09:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Sheesh, man, you have as much right to be here as anyone. It's the encyclopedia anyone can edit, remember? Don't worry about expressing your opinions (you're more than welcome), and don't worry about us not taking into account that you're the article's subject (we will). --UsaSatsui (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
    • I said those portions could be restored with references for each of the statements being made. This is the only way to prevent it from violating any of the guidelines I cited. I see that much of the unsourced information has been returned and it is my intention to remove anything without a source in this article if it survives this AfD. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 18:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
      • Why don't you calm down and let sources come to the article when they're ready? This one is already in better shape than many other articles. Honestly, you can't go 5 words without a citation, which at least shows a good faith effort is being made. I think you need a break from this. --UsaSatsui (talk) 19:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

• I am in the unfortunate positon of having the full attention of one very centered and extremely determined editor. Certainly there must be more important issues to deal with on Wiki than me. I fail to understand his continued interest in wishing to reduce my life to 2 or 3 disjointed or humilating sentences... in his creating a singular reality where when he first declares something as non-notable or trivial, he may then de-construct it to make it appear to be excatly what he first claimed. I found a definition on wiki... dealing with the falseness of circular logic.... where one may state fact "A" and then remove all items that are not fact "A" in order to prove only fact "A". Is this not just the least bit self-serving and contrary to the wiki principles of NPOV and COI?
• I am not the one who can answer this question, as the article he will promises to continue de-constructing even should it survive his having it placed in AfD in the first place is of me ("...it is my intention to remove anything without a source in this article if it survives this AfD")... but does this mean if the article says I am an American, he has to have a copy of my passport or birth certificate? Or when the article states that I modeled for numerous facilities throughout Southern California or that I worked with artists at Disney and DreamWorks and Sony, that each sentence has to be accompanied by notarized paystubs? The fact that I appeared in a number of television shows was documeted and linked to these works at IMDb, but they had been removed (but now replaced) as well.
• I admit a great deal of confusion. If someone promises to remove anything that is unsourced, and has shown themselves shown a history of first removing the source and then the information (now unsourced)... where does it end? Again.... and dispite protestations to the contrary and any self-serving quoting of wiki guidelines to support his actions... the continued actions themselves speak even much loudly and more pointedly. I am learning... Misplaced Pages:Vandalism, Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks. No pointed malice in these actions....? I would like to be able to Misplaced Pages: Deny recognition but it has become too blatant Misplaced Pages:What is a troll?.
• In reading the related article Misplaced Pages:Vandals versus Trolls, in the subsection "Identification and solutions", I found a comparison of 2 samples of editorial contribution... the first as being an unsourced flat statement that had been added and deleted several times as being vandalism, and the second showing that same information had been returened, in proper context and with with proper cites so as to remain unquestioned. If anyone wants to have a really good chuckle at the strange twists of the universe... imagine my surprise when I tracked it down and learned that the "good" edit was one made by someone from the L.L.King group on December 20. It does tend to put things in perspective... in that the good people do might sometimes survive the bad done by others... MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 23:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

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