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BilCat is suffering from physical health issues. This may affect his ability to work on Misplaced Pages. Consequently, he may not be able to respond to talk-page messages or e-mails in a timely manner. Your patience is greatly appreciated.

NOTE: If you're here because an IP user left a message somewhere attributed to me, or has been reverting my edits wholesale be aware that I have a Wiki-stalker/troll. And since I can't feed the trolls, I won't be responding to your messages about its activities. Sorry if the troll has caused you problems, but rules are rules!

NOTE: Most comments will be archived about once a month. Critical comments are welcome, but those containing highly-offensive or profane material will be deleted immediately, and the overall content ignored.

NO BOTS ALLOWED!! You'll have post here yourself!

Also, talk to me like a normal person, and don't just quote Wiki guidelines to me - I'm NOT a newbie . (Policies are different). I consider it rude, and will likely just delete your comments, and ignore the point, as guidleines can be ignored. If you do it anyway, and turn out to be wrong, an apology would be the considerate thing to make.

If you want me to take your opinions and edits seriously, you ought to Register!

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Congratulations!

I see that you are among the 5 most active editors to the Boeing 747 article (#3, actually). It has just been granted featured article status! The star isn't shown yet but it's listed among the promotions. Archtransit (talk) 19:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

New word

Canidalism - the belief by some Canadians that the USA wants to eat their country. :) - BillCJ (talk) 19:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Well if they don't want to eat us up, they sure want our water to drink! LOL

Infobox missile

Hi Bill - it's easily done... but the immediate result would be that the caption (such as it is...) would disappear from every article using the infobox. Before doing that, it really ought to be discussed with whatever WikiProject oversees that template (MILHIST?) I can't imagine any objections, but it's better to avoid accidentally treading on toes if possible! --Rlandmann (talk) 11:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, since the data is still right there adjoining the photo and since the "caption" doesn't actually add anything anyway (which is why you wanted to change it I guess!) I've gona ahead and made the change. If it causes a fuss, it's an easy revert. To make it work, an extra "caption" field has to be added to the data in the article - take a look at this example to see what needs to be done. Hope this is what you were after! --Rlandmann (talk) 19:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah - I just meant the pipe at the end of the line; when putting it at the start of the line is so much more elegant :) --Rlandmann (talk) 19:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

XF5U

If it's not in the right series, why don't you put it where it belongs, rather than just deleting it? Lou Sander (talk) 03:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Because until now, the page hasn't listed Navy aircraft, and I'm not sure they ought to be there. The page is a mess right now,and has expanded far beyond its original intent, which was to list the X-series planes only. I don't have time to rework it right now, but that's no reason to intentionally make it worse. - BillCJ (talk) 03:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks like a bit of WP:OWN has crept into this article. Other editors can't divine its original intent, or know that Navy aircraft haven't been listed. It's hard to see how adding an experimental aircraft can "make worse" an article listing experimental aircraft, especially when the added one seems to be in perfect synch with the information in the lead. Lou Sander (talk) 04:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

You can be bold and make a category for US Naval planes if you like, and add your entry to it. If I tried to work on it myself right now, others might think I owned the article. I intend in the next few days to bring the page up at WT:AIR to get input on how to revamp the article, as there are several ways to go with it, and I usually don't try to make those decisions by myself, esp since I'm not sure which is is the best way. However, I don't expect you to have divined all that on your own, but neither did I think I had to inform you of my every intention in improving the page. - BillCJ (talk) 05:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

You may get a kick out of this. I don't have any intrinsic interest in the XF5U, and I never even heard of it before today. But today I was listening to an old time radio show that mentioned it (a Hop Harrigan episode from 1947 -- I listened to Hop when I was a kid). Just out of curiosity, I looked for the XF5U on Misplaced Pages. It didn't show up, probably because I was putting dashes in the name. I finally found it, but that was after I ran across the article with the list of experimental planes. Since the XF5U was an experimental plane that wasn't on that list, and since it seemed to fit the qualifications in the lead, I felt the need to go back and add it, so I did. Lou Sander (talk) 08:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:U-571

Um, were you planning to reply on Talk:U-571 (film), or just pretend not to notice that I've asked you very nicely to justify your mud-slinging? It'd be even better if you could justify your edit (other than with "I'm unhappy"-stuff). Cheers, JackyR | Talk 19:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Option 3: I missed your response totally. I was busy making more mud :) Of course, as an American, option 3 doesn't count when a non-Amercian has already made up his mind otherwise. Do what you want on the page, as I'm done fighting bruised British egos. - BillCJ (talk) 02:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I was actually hoping for some input, as I was (and am) just trying to make the article clearer. But if you're fed up, don't worry about it. By the way, I too have just had a message from 70.4.227.155 on my user page, under the heading Talk:U-571. Don't know if it was from you, but doesn't seem to relate to me at all. Cheers, JackyR | Talk 19:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I have wikistalkers. Sorry they got to you, but I assure you I do all my ranting :) under this account. They're cowards who have to use sockpuppets and dynamic IPs to harrass others becuase their original accounts were blocked. They're not that bright, and they think acting like this will get them reinstated! They're just a nusiance, like ants at a picnic, but I am sorry you were bothered by them. - BillCJ (talk) 19:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Sorry you're having to put up with them. Cheers, JackyR | Talk 15:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

-200 747s

Bill, please have a look at my Talk for your 747 reply - Adrian Pingstone (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

MC-130 Addition

BillCJ, I hope your health is better. I know Misplaced Pages encourages updated work, but my novice addition probably looks amature. I am well versed in MC-130 operations (eleven years); as a MC-130 weapons officer, a peer approached me about some inaccuracies with C-130 and MC-130 information. I see you have already improved my MC-130P addition in the form of better format. I am offically in training in my Misplaced Pages abilities, therefore, when I understand the code better, I will add a picture to go along with the MC-130P. BTW, I don't have the official number of aircraft, but for the Combat Spear, MC-130W, there were two aircraft as of November 2007 vice the one that is listed on the site. The 73 SOS, now stationed at Cannon AFB, operate those aircraft. --jb 08:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Uh oh

Well, I've decided to apply to join the dark side. As a user with whom I have interacted, I would appreciate your input on my nomination. This is not a request for support, though any support would be appreciated, but simply a request for feedback. — BQZip01 —  03:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the canvassing accusations. Anyway, I shot my wad over that one, and perhaps any future admin chances of my own. I was amused by someone's commnet on your "inability to think for yourself". That's something I expect to hear from people with misconceptions of the military, and I think that's all that comment was about. If anything, you've demonstrated an ability to think for yourself "too much", not too little! Oh well, I can't say that in an RFA either though. I don't think this has much of a chance of going through, especially with the canvassing accusations. Without any consideration of how you worded it or who you contacted, some good editors seemed put off by the accusation alone. That says more about them than about you, in my opinion. If you need any support regarding fallout from this, let me know. - BillCJ (talk) 08:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

• BQZip01's RfA got closed earlier today. Sorry. :( Try again later. Try not to give too much extra info in your answers in the future. People used that against you it seemed. I didn't get the canvassing thing either. We wouldn't know about it otherwise unless we stumbled across it. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Provincial constitutions?

Copyedit form my talk page: "Bill, I asked this at Talk:Provinces and territories of Canada, and I thought i'd run it by you also. Do Canadian provinces have their own constitutions? This is not covered in the Provinces and territories of Canada article, and it seems to me it should be. - BillCJ (talk) 23:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)"

As a matter of fact, provinces and the federal government are governed by the British North America Act of 1867 and all the various incarnations that came about since confederation or our birth as a nation. So the answer is no, provinces do not have their own charters or constitutions. FWIW Bzuk (talk) 00:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC).

Re: Template:RAN amphibious warfare ships

Hi Bill, I was going to drop you a line to explain why I made those changes. The landing craft would be out of place on templates for larger navies, but given that the RAN has always been pretty small I think that they're OK. List of Royal Australian Navy ships might be a better link given that most of the ships on the template are now out of service, but there's probably material for a very good article on Amphibious warfare ships of Australia or similar which I might create in the longer run. I think that I've missed three LSTs by the way, and am trying to find their names. --Nick Dowling (talk) 09:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I've just created Amphibious warfare ships of Australia as a stub. The Navy book has a very useful chapter which will make excellent source material. --Nick Dowling (talk) 08:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

UserBox Addition

Thanks - it was not me! most unusual to add to other peoples user page but we must WP:AGF. MilborneOne (talk) 22:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Bionic Woman (2007 TV series)

Unless you are seeing a different article, there was no lengthy discussion on its talk page about the name. The ONLY section on the article name is 1 person explaining why they moved it from "Bionic Woman" to "Bionic Woman (2007 TV series)" and another user saying they agree. I won't move it back myself, but I will start a move reuquest since I know I am right. TJ Spyke 09:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you make this odd comment on my talkpage: ? Or was that just an IP pretending to be you? I never edited your userpage or nominate some list of airlines for deletion (both of what that IP say I did). TJ Spyke 11:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The joy of Jimbo's open editing and trolls. I only comment on this username. - BillCJ (talk) 17:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in a peer review of Boeing 737

Hello! Based on your areas of interest, we believe that you may be interested in participating in the peer review of Boeing 737. Comments from reviewers are needed over the next few weeks to assist editors in improving the article; we would be very grateful if you could spare some of your time to help out! If you would prefer not to receive such invitations in the future, please leave a message on this page, and we won't trouble you again. If you have any questions about the review process, you can ask them here. Thanks! Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 18:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

Now what? Well, now when you look at the history of an article, you should see a new link beside each version marked "Rollback" (next to the link that says "Undo"). In one click, "Rollback" reverts the article back to the state it was in when the last different previous editor changed it. In other words, it doesn't matter whether a vandal has made 1 edit or 20 - Rollback will blast the article back to the state when the last editor who wasn't the current editor worked on it. Hope that makes sense!?! --Rlandmann (talk) 19:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks! I just tried it out, and LOVE it. - BillCJ (talk) 19:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Navboxes

Thanks Bill! I think that one of the nice side-effects of this unhappy process is that we're going to get a lot better intra-project navigation out of it; and the collapsibility of the navboxes means that we should be able to include more sequences than ever before. Apart from the RCAF/CF: Sweden, the RAAF/RAN, and Brazil all have neat numerical sequences that are well-documented. I've got to take a break for a few hours at least, so good luck! --Rlandmann (talk) 03:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

• The Navboxes are super RL. Thanks to you and anybody that helped/ing with making them. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my mistake in the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation template Bill; that was the first template I have done, I'll try not to muck it up again :-) YSSYguy (talk) 23:40, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

No prob. My secret is to usually find one that works, and "borrow" the coding! - BillCJ (talk) 00:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hang in there.

You don't have to worry, because the system actually helps to fight vandals, even if they get a momentary kick out of it. It's easy to revert, and there is a large group of editors watching pages to catch the vandals. It may be tiring to combat it, but in the end, their effort is ultimately wasted because it brings no lasting change to the Wiki. --Born2flie (talk) 08:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It's not as important as the fight others do in the deserts of the real world tho. Those guys make the world free for me to make Wikipeida free! And we won't forget that they and their families make the real sacrifics.

PS. You might get a kick out of this diff. Can we say "Amero-phobia"? - BillCJ (talk) 09:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow

Ah, I see now, extremely sorry. Therequiembellishere (talk) 00:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I have been a litte contentious already, so I can see how it might look like me :) But I promise I only use this screen name on Misplaced Pages. Forgive me for the cleanup above, since it's not applicable now. - BillCJ (talk) 01:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Fuel starvation

Why are my edits being reverted? Surely, there's nothing wrong!!!

--202.95.200.17 (talk) 04:12, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The answer is all over your talk page. Stop editing long enough to read what's there, and pay attention to what is said. - BillCJ (talk) 04:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Bill - I'm monitoring the situation. --Rlandmann (talk) 04:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

You deserve one of these in recognition of your impressive work on maintaining aviation articles and correcting vandalism. Nick Dowling (talk) 10:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! - BillCJ (talk) 10:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)