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Redirects

You asked "Ummm... I don't know how to make "Líosalfar" redirect here. Could someone else do it, by any chance?)". It's easy; the process is documented at Misplaced Pages:Redirect. So just edit Líosalfar and paste in the redirect to the page you want it to go. -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 17:37, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikiquette alerts

Thanks for the note you left me about User:DreamGuy, who is very rude in his comments when he enforces his narrow pov on the articles. There is something that can be done. I threatened to file a Wikiquette alert about him and am entering one now. This is one action we can take against abusive users. I believe more than one user can leave a wikiquette alert about a single offender.--AI 28 June 2005 19:17 (UTC)

Thankyou, though I do not think I will do the same. It might seem a little pushy and I'm very reluctant to do anything that might be perceived as a personal attack, even though it is only pointing out that it seems everything he has done here is put in his narrow POV to things, marked facts (or at least the mythological equivalent) as "POV", and called others who actually know what they are talking about ignorant. elvenscout742 28 June 2005 21:35 (UTC)

You need to pay attention

Hi. I did not delete your comment on my talk page, I moved it to the bottom of the page, where all new comments go. Putting it again means you duplicated it and ignored my response. That's just another example of you not paying attention and screwing things up. Try to get with the program here, because you are embarassing yourself. DreamGuy July 1, 2005 01:31 (UTC)

Missing Sun

No, I did not invent the term "missing sun myth" myself thought I am not sure how "official" it would be. I am pretty sure serious students to comparative mythology have invented more convolutive terminology for it (I'm more bent to history). However, the concept as I know about it does not come from Joseph Campbell but (IIRC) from Carl Jung. However, I do not have access to relevant books any more - it was years ago. Regardless, as far as I know, capitalizalition is irrelevant in this case, thought your argument makes some sense - Skysmith 2 July 2005 08:27 (UTC)

Elvenscout742, you might want to add a comment to Misplaced Pages:Requested moves#June 28, 2005 regarding capitalization of "Sun". --AI 3 July 2005 06:41 (UTC)

Re:DreamGuy

Hi. I noticed some of the rude things stated by User:DreamGuy on your talk page. Also, I just read what you had written after my comments on his talk page (before he deleted them) and I would like for you to know that I had him reported for POV rants, and I pray that he is vandalized for a while. It is amazing that he takes no criticism and is so arrogant to beleive that Carl Jung and Noam Chomsky know less about any subject than he does. Take care. Horatii 8 July 2005 19:08 (UTC)

feel free to add your words at the RFC page to help seal his fate. Gabrielsimon 02:47, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

to be specific.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Request_for_comment#Comment_about_individual_users Gabrielsimon 03:19, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

and of course, the more specific link.,..

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/DreamGuy-2

Gabrielsimon 04:14, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Take a look at his RfC now, I formatted it according to RfC guidelines so that admins don't just ignore our complaint. I moved all of your comments to the discussion page, we should rewrite them and enter them in "Evidence of disputed behavior" and "Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute" whichever is applicable. Please use differences such as this: That particular one is where Dreamguy writes "VfD is a freaking joke" in the history comment. --AI 22:29, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

For the record, I wasn't taking anybody's "side". I came into this because I was watching Gabriel after having had to block him at least twice for 3RR, and my purpose was simply to tell Gabriel that his behaviour was jeopardising his own ability to edit and hopefully get him off that particular path... which I am glad to say he has at least taken some of that advice to heart. My concern was never Dreamguy's welfare, but Gabriel's. I treated Dreamguy like any other editor - they say they haev a problem, if it's that bad, go to RfC, and I suggested exactly that. I see that process has already started, so let the community speak on that. --khaosworks 22:46, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Elvenscout, can you certify the RfC on Dreamguy? Thanks --AI 01:43, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Ravana

Elven, sorry for the non-standard spellings. They were in fact typos. I cleaned it up. I had to include discussion of Ravana in the Bhagavata Purana and the Ayya Vazhi religion in order to show that it's not just the Ramayana epic that views Ravana as evil.

Thanks for bringing them to my attention.

Raj2004 23:53, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Thankyou, and you're welcome. elvenscout742 11:04, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for supporting me in my endeavors to rebuke rude users, and sorry for my remarks to DreamGuy in Spanish. I sure you could understand why anyone would call him a "pinche pendejo" though. Thanks. Horatii 22:48, 11 July 2005 (UTC) Have a barnstar too. Horatii 22:48, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

missing sun myth

ive fixed it, to go with consensus, its once again myth and not that foolish motif... :-D joy! Gabrielsimon 11:08, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, that wouldn't really have been something that bothered me, but thanks! elvenscout742 11:09, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

we cant let anyone go against policey, or against consensus, can we? that wouldnt be sporting. Gabrielsimon 11:10, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, you're right, of course. Check my e-mail to you. I don't want to let him. elvenscout742 11:11, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm with you guys. --AI 03:46, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

It's not over yet, please vote Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Missing Sun myth for the purposes of consensus documentation. Aloha --AI 03:46, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

I already have voted. It should be deleted, for it is a copy-paste article. I say it should be deleted and the original article should have its name changed.elvenscout742 10:43, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

However, DreamGuy mentions that the new article can be deleted and redirected. Which means it would have to be created again after VfD and a redirect entered, then the original won't be able to be moved there. A technicality.. Like Kelly suggested, it may be time for arbitration. DreamGuy is currently involved in at least one arbitration right now over a religious article. --AI 06:23, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, it should be quite obvious that when DreamGuy's request for a move failed, he resorted to coming up with a different name to suit his PoV, then unilaterally changed the name of the article, putting us in the position he should be in. I think it is time for that arbitration, and we should present all the evidence against him. He only has one moot argument.elvenscout742 13:13, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

rfc

make a new one about missing sun myth , and his TYPICAL actions. Gabrielsimon 11:31, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

whoever deleted it, forgot this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/DreamGuy-2

use it wisely.

Gabrielsimon 11:32, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

please help certify http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment Gabrielsimon 12:05, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

How, might I ask? Just add something beneath what you posted? elvenscout742 12:19, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

on the main RFC page, yea Gabrielsimon 12:32, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

RFCs are meant to be there for when users really can't work things out another way. I don't see that the other RFC is really going your way, are you sure you want to start a new one? Remember, Misplaced Pages is about making an encylopedia, not winning fights. Friday 12:36, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

how can we make encyclopedia with someone constantly bothering us with strange, paranoid and arrgavating, irratating behaviour? Gabrielsimon 12:39, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Not to mention ridiculing us for knowing what the word "mythology" means. elvenscout742 14:27, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not defending Dreamguy. I was just pointing out that since the other RFC isn't going your way, adding another one seems questionable. What are you hoping to accomplish? Friday 15:02, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I thought, apart from poor formatting, it was going rather well. I was very proud of all the work I went to to dig up all that stuff in my discreditting report, and I cited concise examples with those "diff"s. And now it is all gone :( . elvenscout742 17:00, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Mythology

You labeled this change change as "Removed PoV". How do you justify your claim that the statement you removed was POV? It seems to me that your removal of it could be described as POV-pushing to try to hide facts you find disagreeable. DreamGuy 11:53, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

In my experience, they are not facts. I don't really mind, if you want to damage Misplaced Pages by including it, fire ahead. I'd really prefer not to argue with you (note that almost all of that "revenge revert"ing was done by Gabrielsimon). elvenscout742 11:56, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

And what would this "experience" be that would indicate to you that most Neopagan beliefs are similar to the original pagan beliefs practiced by ancient cultures? Certainly you must have something you could back your stance up with if you would characterize the simple act of including the statement as "damage" to Misplaced Pages? (Or at least one would hope so with that kind of language.) DreamGuy 12:25, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

your not showing good faith in quesitoning elven's experiance. shut up and stand back for a moment, and read things without your personal bias. boo hoo if it means you have ot admit to being fallable. Gabrielsimon 11:05, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Uh, Gabrielsimon? We seem to have already resolved this conflict. Check the history of Mythology. elvenscout742 11:08, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Woof

Could you indicate the copyright status of the image you uploaded to Image:Ra Barque.jpg. Thanks. ~~~~ 23:04, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

N.b. by adding the copyright/lack-of-copyright/pd/etc. info on that images page - . ~~~~ 00:12, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I got it. It's basically my first image upload. elvenscout742 00:14, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for agreeing to the compromise -- I hope you're wrong about DreamGuy's reaction, as I think my suggestion (or one reasonably similar to it) is the only way to resolve the difference of opinion. We'll see what he/she thinks, I guess. :-) Best regards, Jwrosenzweig 08:52, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I hope so too, but there's a great difference between hoping and believing.elvenscout742 08:59, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA ABUSE Ril, (81.156.177.21).

Ril has been causing problems at Authentic Matthew. Please help us to resolve.

RIL - M.O.

1) Sock Puppet redirects and hopes nobody notices - Article Gone.

2) SP starts edit war-victim gives up - Article Gone.

3) Later new SP 'merges' and redirects - Article Gone

4) New SP starts edit war - Article Gone

5) If all fails, SP puts up Vfd and makes false statements against his victim often getting THE VICTIM BLOCKED.

PLEASE STUDY THE 'EDIT HISTORY' OF THIS ARTICLE, RIL and 81.156.177.21 for the facts speak for themselves. --Mikefar 05:08, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, the above is one of the numerous sockpuppets of the article's creator - User:Melissadolbeer - see the user's edit history, and Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Melissadolbeer for details. The article in question is Melissadolbeer's original research based on an account by Jerome which is almost universally considered to be an error confusing 3 different gospels (Gospel of the Nazarenes, Gospel of the Hebrews, and Gospel of the Ebionites). It also contains material presenting Eusebius's views of what was Biblical Canon - better discussed at those two articles, and the entire source text of the alleged Gospel, which is otherwise almost universally split into the 3 seperate texts above. The source text was already on WikiSource, and what was salvagable from the remainder of the article was merged to the above 5 articles, and Gospel of Matthew, at the suggestion of User:Wetman. It exists only to support Melissadolbeer's original research thesis. Melissadolbeer's claims of abuse against me, 81.156.177.21, doc, Slrubenstien, etc. are simply down to the fact that we have at one time or another merged the article elsewhere leaving only a redirect, or have voted to delete it at VFD. The above comment by the sockpuppet has been pasted by it into a vast number of user pages, an act which essentially constitutes excessive disruption to Misplaced Pages, simply because Melissadolbeer refuses to abide by the process of VFD. ~~~~ 19:12, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, I have no intention of doing anything about it either way. It's not an area I know about. It seems it will just be deleted soon, anyway. elvenscout742 21:47, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I question Ril's actions as an admin. He has misrepresented my claim , sent me a warning for something I did not do, and incorrectly scrutinized a wikipedia user by accusing "original research" when the user was only defending his expertise in a field of knowledge. --AI 12:57, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey Elvenscout, the complaint by Mikefar outlines tactics similar to what is being done to the Missin Sun myth and some other articles DreamGuy has been at. Take note of the type of characters that "show up" to support their actions. I'm going to refer a few other users to this discussion. --AI 13:48, 18 July 2005 (UTC)