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Cla, please stop posting on SV's page, or otherwise harassing or stalking her, or anyone else. Crum375 (talk) 12:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Asking an admin to explain why they made a personal attack against you is considered "harassment"? What a strange Wiki world we live in! But be sure you're not the only one to have been called a "conspiracy theorist" by Slim. See for example. The diff I posted to her talk page, asking for an apology for that and another edit she made implying that I was liar has since been deleted in the "cleaning up" of her talk page. There was no response, or apology either. One can only conclude that here at Misplaced Pages "some pigs are more equal than others". Unfortunately, I have no advice for you. Only the deepest of sympathies, which I thought I would share. Tiamut 13:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Asking SlimVirgin to be accountable for her actions isn't harrassment. In fact, I have to ask why you feel the need to try to "protect" her from accountability with weak attempts at intimidation? Can she not defend herself? Or, because she has no defense she needs to rely on others who apparently have nothing better to do? Cla68 (talk) 14:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

You're ongoing stalking of Slim is nullifying all the terrific FA's you have created. Cease and desist from this ongoing disruption please....please get back to article writing, which is by far your forte here and is much appreciated.--MONGO 14:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

By the above-cited standards, aren't Crum and MONGO "harassing" Cla68? Once you define this term so loosely, any attempt at communication, especially in a critical vein, might apply. *Dan T.* (talk) 18:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Instead of "piling on" to tell a user that they're not to ask what are valid questions of another user, perhaps you could consider how your actions might be considered in the same light? Achromatic (talk) 18:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I should just keep my nose out of it, but an accusation of stalking is a little over the top. It is an emotionally charged word that brings with it ton of creepy suggestions. Maybe there is a better word than stalking to express whatever one is trying to express. Stalking refers to a criminal offense in most areas; it is a bad word to describe the actions of a person who is offended and civilly (if not repeatedly) trying to receive feedback from a person he has a dispute with. daveh4h 19:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Cla68, its like this. Your efforts to help wikipedia are very very appreciated. But everyone is different. Different things upset different people. British and American tastes in which words are fighting words is an example. Using the word "niggardly" around ignorant people is an example. Slimvirgin is an asset to wikipedia just as you are. What upsets her is different than what upsets you. Please accommodate our fellow human beings as much as you can when it comes to their individual sensitivities. Thank you. WAS 4.250 (talk) 22:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Asking an admin to explain why they made a personal attack against you is considered "harassment"? What a strange Wiki world we live in! Newbyguesses - Talk 10:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is how the game is played. Provoke a personal attack, then claim a personal attack was made, and when you get enough then you begin an escalation pattern of blocks that make them angry enough to warrant further longer blocks. The first person to claim they were attacked is the winner in this game. Cla68 won. Let it go. Crum375 is playing the "I see your personal attack and I raise you a stalking, your turn" game. He and Slim love these games; they are such fun people. Personally, I find these games lacking in challenge. "The best move is not to play. Care for a nice game of chess?" WAS 4.250 (talk) 10:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not a question of differing sensibilities, British v. American English, etc., just a familiar move in a game of strategy that Cla68 doesn't need to play. Cla68, you have a wide and well-deserved reputation for (a) prolific and first-rate article content, and (b) scrupulous and courageous fairness regarding these marginal COI/NPOV/clique dramas. And other editors have an equally wide and well-deserved reputation for vulgarly exploiting a politics of victimhood, and using a moral rhetoric (of "harassment," "stalking," and so on) so grossly and irresponsibly inflated as to be meaningless. It's like one of those poignantly devalued currencies where you've got four zeroes on a bill and it's still not enough for a sandwich. No one believes your accusers, Cla68, so don't let 'em rattle your cage.--G-Dett (talk) 12:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate everyone's well-spoken comments and advice and they are all well-taken. Cla68 (talk) 12:13, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

May I say, Cla68, that myself never having been involved in any of these instances, I have no reason to want to get into a fight with the "big swingers". And I have admiration for the contributions of SlimVirgin, not all of them but much of them. However, the practices of those bullybrigades who conspire to mug the less-protected in dark alleys is deplorable, and they know who they are.

I expect to draw flak for that comment, but it is one thing to voluntarily contribute to Misplaced Pages, and quite another thing to find oneself endlessly confronted on talkpage after talkpage with this garbage and bullying, which at this time seems to reverbrate from *BADSITES*. I am a minor editor, nil interest in politics, but I dont like walking through spew to get to work. If, somehow, the *BADSITES* war, can be finished with, with all involved parties well and truly injured and retired from the fray, that may be the best possible outcome for WP. I will gladly wear some incidental abuse then (I am bound to anyway, even just for breathing).

These are my personal views, so if I offend anyone here, let me (NBG) know. User:Cla68 had nothing to do with this statement. Newbyguesses - Talk 23:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Apology from NBG - With the Arbcom case now openened, I realize that the intemperate language in my above post could be seen as not setting any kind of good example of civility, at a time when AGF and decorum will be of much benefit. I apologise for being het-up at the time of post, and will try to set a better example in future, or not stick my beak in at all.Newbyguesses - Talk 23:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Mantanmoreland

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Mantanmoreland/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Mantanmoreland/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 23:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Your call for me to recuse ...

I am not going to recuse from the case; long-standing arbcom precedent does not require us to be free of opinions about cases, but rather to recuse if we have an actual conflict of interest. I do not.

As always, I will examine the facts before us neutrally and without prejudice.

As to my opinions about Mr. Bagley - he is not a party to this arbitration in any case, as far as I can tell, so it is not very relevant. Yes, the case involves people with whom he has had long-standing disagreements, but that will not affect my judgment as to those people's actions.

Thanks, Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 00:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't agree and I repeat my request that you recuse yourself. Cla68 (talk) 00:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Asked here, about the precedent: Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Mantanmoreland/Proposed decision#Procedural question on recusal. Lawrence § t/e 00:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I am eagerly anticipating your evidence

Mantanmoreland's troubling treatment.

I'm not exaggerating when I say that this is the most important section in the case. It's not so surprising when people lie or try to advantage themselves, but we must learn how this was allowed to continue for so long. Cool Hand Luke 20:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

"Appears to admin delete previous versions of the article along with the edit history".

These edits were subsequently oversighted. Consequentially, I have no idea what they were. Cool Hand Luke 07:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Clarification: Gary Weiss has been oversighted. Talk:Gary Weiss was only admin deleted, by SlimVirgin Five edits are deleted. Just from an IP and reversions. Were adding {{Notable Wikipedian|various sockpuppets|Weiss, Gary}} and comments that "everyone knows Mantanmoreland is Gary Weiss." I have no idea what's missing from Gary Weiss, of course. Cool Hand Luke 08:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind that I've corrected the points to bring them in line with the facts I'm aware of. I think I wasn't clear enough to begin with. Cool Hand Luke 18:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. Cla68 (talk) 22:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Post to SlimVirgin's talk page

Crum did indeed admin delete SlimVirgin's talk page. However, ElinorD subsequently convinced her to undelete some of the deleted history and divided the history into several archives. Your edit sits deleted at User talk:SlimVirgin/temp. The log looks like this:

• 02:55, 3 June 2007 (diff) . . SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs | block) (3,670 bytes) (archiving)
• 02:53, 3 June 2007 (diff) . . SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs | block) (27,826 bytes) (Reverted edits by Cla68 (talk) to last version by NathanLee)
• 02:52, 3 June 2007 (diff) . . Cla68 (Talk | contribs | block) (28,812 bytes) (comment on removal of RfC notification)

This is what you wrote:

==RfC on my actions==
I notice that you immediately removed my notification of the RfC I opened on myself from WP:ANI. That RfC is an attempt to document what happened and generate discussion among the community so we can hopefully put it in the past. Since administrators enforce policy I thought it was appropriate for them to read the RfC and ask questions or comment on it. As editors I believe we have the right to bring issues to the attention of the admin noticeboard, since it says in the heading for that forum, "any user is welcome to leave a message or join the discussion here." If you feel that invitation doesn't apply to me, I'd like to know why. Also, since you were the initial and primary editor to voice the concerns over my conduct in my RfA, I especially encourage you to ask any questions or comment on the matter in the RfC. CLA 02:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Cool Hand Luke 08:45, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Cla68 (talk) 08:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Also note the comment for Crum375's history delete—"trolling." Cool Hand Luke 09:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Tutorial: Getting an article to featured article status

Hello, Cla68. I was asked to write a signpost tutorial about how to get an article to featured article. This is my first draft. It is based on my own page: User:Yannismarou/Ten rules to make an article FA, which was inspired by your advice as well. If you have time, check the draft, offer any comments you would like, check the prose, and propose me any improvements you regard as useful. Thank you in advance!--Yannismarou (talk) 15:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way what happened to the MILHIST's advice on writing a FA. I click on the link, but I cannot find it. Did they remove it or am I just fool?!--Yannismarou (talk) 16:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I left a comment on the page's talk page. Great work. I'm not sure what happened to the MILHIST FA advice. Cla68 (talk) 22:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Clarification

Could you explain (if you get time) some things to me about Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Cla68. Do these processes close, or remain open for ever? There appear to be no posts since 01:53, 11 December 2007 Cla68 @Talk. Is there a "result", or has the "outcome" been satisfactory to you?

Is the Rfc closed, or could posts still be made there? Are you still bothered by the allegations which were made at the RFC, and repeated at your RFA? Was this offer ever made good on? Do not reply if you are too busy with the Arbcom. or other matters, or if you feel that commenting at this time is inappropriate. Thanks, Newbyguesses - Talk 03:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Those are good questions and I'll give a full reply within the next couple of days. Cla68 (talk) 05:47, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay. That RfC is still open as far as I'm concerned. Editors are still free to add (or retract) their endorsements to any of the statements listed there. In fact, once the current, related ArbCom case is closed, I'm going to add a link to it and a brief intro in a section on the RfC's discussion page. As far as I know that offer you mention wasn't made good on.

If you look at the evidence I'm presenting in the related ArbCom case , you can see that I am still bothered by what occurred in my RfA. One of the purposes of the RfC was to document what happened as a future reference as well as so that I could learn from the experience and from analysis and comments provided by others. One of things that bothers me the most about the RfA was that an active participant there and in the RfC, an admin, knowingly and mendaciously lied, and has never been held adequately accountable for doing so. Cla68 (talk) 09:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou for your prompt reply. The question of a "result" is then moot, as the Rfc is still open, and I intend for the record to wait until you or other post there before making a contribution. It seems the purpose of an Rfc is to obtain Outside views; there have been a number of those to date in evidence, so that "outcome" has been achieved, but I cannot see anywhere there where you get answers to what seem reasonable requests to have evidence supplied, or accusations withdrawn. I will be following the Arbcom. case, though unlikey to post there (again;)? Newbyguesses - Talk 10:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Your comments

Regarding your comments on my Talk: page, you say I was "heavily involved at one point in the issue"; can you explain what you mean by that? Also, why would I have special insight into oversight actions, or be able to provide dates and times for them? Finally, based on this statement, is it your position that what people post on off-Misplaced Pages websites is relevant to Misplaced Pages? Jayjg 02:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

On at least one point, I can take a wild stab in the dark: "able to provide dates and times" - "# Jayjg ‎(checkuser, oversight, Administrator)", from Special:Listusers/oversight. Wasn't that much of a stretch, was it? Achromatic (talk) 04:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

There are 30 people on that list; I'm not sure why Cla68 specifically approached me, rather than the 29 other names on the list, or suggested I would have special insight in this matter. Jayjg 05:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I heard somewhere that you oversighted material from the Gary Weiss article and associated talk page. If you didn't, please say so and I'll retract that "heavily involved" statement. If you weren't the one who did it, could you please identify the oversight editor(s) who did oversight the material? Cla68 (talk) 23:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Interesting; where did you hear that? Also, you might have missed my earlier question, based on this statement, is it your position that what people post on off-Misplaced Pages websites is relevant to Misplaced Pages?" Jayjg 03:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

If you'll answer my question, I'll answer yours. Cla68 (talk) 03:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Since I asked first, why don't you answer first? Specifically, "based on this statement, is it your position that what people post on off-Misplaced Pages websites is relevant to Misplaced Pages?" Then we'll move on to your questions. Jayjg 03:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Jayjg, is it your position that what people post on off-Misplaced Pages websites is relevant to Misplaced Pages? User:Dorftroffel 08:52, February 20, 2008

Cla68 is the person who took umbrage based on things posted off-Misplaced Pages - it is he who needs to answer. Jayjg 03:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

"Needs to answer"? You're asking him a question, and it's up to him whether he wants to reply or not. You're not the Holy Inquisition or anything, please don't act like you think you are. Dorftrottel (ask) 18:37, February 29, 2008

I didn't word that well, I meant that the question was only relevant for him. No need to jump down my throat. Jayjg 05:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

curious sockpuppet

While looking over your evidence, I visited the page of your RfA where I stumbled upon User:Blutacker. I had "flagged" the account, saying "This is the user's sixth edit, and his second outside Daniel Brandt" Since the Brandt article is deleted, only an admin could evaluate those 4 edits. At any rate, it's very clear that the account is a sockpuppet and I tagged the user page with {{Sockunknown}}. I'm not sure if this means anything at all (probably not), but I thought I'd notify you of this find. Blutacker btw is the German name for Akeldama. User:Dorftrottel 06:01, February 18, 2008

I'm not sure what to do about that. The account appears to have stopped editing. I guess a checkuser could be performed, but I don't know who it should be done on. Cla68 (talk) 23:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Same here, just thought it curious enough to drop you a line. User:Dorftrottel 13:42, February 19, 2008

I am rather good at thwacking sock puppets. If you go for RFA again, I will be watching, and this sort of thing won't happen again. Jehochman 02:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate that. Cla68 (talk) 02:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Arbcom case case

Arbcom case case At the current arbcom. case, here, user:mantanmoreland appears to be arguing that virtually every post to this case opposing their position is from a sock of Wordbomb!

Sockpuppeting

...Most of the contents of this page have been on the ASM website for well over a year. If Judd Bagley, Overstock's spokesman and operator of ASM, were not coordinating this, I am sure he would have a case for copyright infringement...(User:Mantanmoreland)

(DIFF?)

I may have misread, and I dont intend presenting evidence at this time, but if that is the same old argument, it is easily refuted. All known socks of WB are listed at Category:Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of WordBomb and none of them have posted to the arbcom. case, as far as i can see. FYINewbyguesses - Talk 06:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

(further down) Look at

The editors who know Sami and I best, and are not necessarily friends of either of us, believe quite firmly that we are different people based on writing style and the positions we took, and didn't take, in 600-odd emails. (User:Mantanmoreland)

nbg/with respect, Mantan, it is not a matter of the editors who know you best, but of all the WPeditors, most of whom have never met you, your peers. FYINewbyguesses - Talk 08:26, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Further:

I would ask, as a concerned observer, how does Cla68 answer this from User:Mantanmoreland --

Naked shorting is a subject that has received widespread news coverage, so naturally there are news articles cited. For most substantive points, the article relies on the SEC website.

user:mantanmoreland--He *Cla68* objects to this perfectly proper edit by Samiharris, cutting the length of an overlong paragraph on the antisocialmedia.net smear campaign, correcting an inaccuracy that attributed an allegation to the wrong source.

How does Cla68 respond to this by Mantan?

That same edit also removed a notable journalist's comment:

'Bloomberg.com columnist Susan Antilla writes that the website attack on Weiss, "Is but the latest example of the public relations path Overstock and Bagley have taken to wage their bizarre battle against naked shorts."

(user:mantanmoreland)--The rest of his *Cla68's"evidence" relates to the raw deal he supposedly has gotten through much of his wiki-life, and has nothing to do with this arbitration.

nbg/with respect Mantan, it is for the arbitrators to decide what is to do with this arbitration, not yourself./nbg

That's what i would ask, if I were to haver evidence to present, i guess. Instead, I ask you FWIW, pardon I mean, FYINewbyguesses - Talk 08:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

FYIGFDL-- my evidence, if I present it would be.. FYINewbyguesses - Talk 09:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I have done it now. —Newbyguesses - Talk 16:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure?

Don't you think that calling for WB to be allowed to return for this period as well as asking for accountability for actions taken some time ago is pushing it in terms of what will be permitted just a little? Relata refero (talk) 11:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Could be, but I think that full and open discussion of all aspects of the issue by everyone reasonably involved and willing to do so should be allowed. We want to try to completely resolve the matter, leaving no hanging issues. Cla68 (talk) 23:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Mild objection

I would like to register a mild objection to your evidence against me in the Mantanmoreland case. Here "Overstock abusers" was a quote from the previous comment; you will note please that I also said that editors who used such tactics were absolutely not welcome to edit Misplaced Pages, unless they are willing to leave that behind them when they put on their Misplaced Pages hat. Clearly, if Piperdown or someone like him was willing to edit other topics, leaving Overstock, MM and associated topics behind, we would not even know he was here. And here please note that my comments about naked short selling obviously apply to Wordbomb but that my comments about misogynistic and antisemitic edits refers to other stalkers of SlimVirgin and others, not to Bagley. Finally, you can call this a poison pill if you like, but it is a fact that the suspicion was raised by more than one checkuser, and by at least one non-checkuser admin, and was a matter of consultation among myself and other checkusers before I answered the request, so it seems reasonable to mention it; if only to give an answer to those users and admins who may remember Wordbomb also using proxies and wonder whether it was looked into. Thatcher 01:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I think those are good points and I'm going to retract those statements and I apologize for making them. I don't think you should have said that about WordBomb and SamiHarris, but I'm going to retract it anyway. Cla68 (talk) 01:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thatcher removal

What are you removing someone else's evidence for? — Rlevse • Talk • 01:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Did I remove someone else's evidence? I thought I removed evidence from my section only. Cla68 (talk) 01:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

You are right, my booboo. Sorry, Very rough case here. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Tried to get the AfD undeleted

I wish this was undeleted because it has one of Mantanmoreland's most duplicitous statements. Anyhow, here's a deleted diff where he expands his initial comment: . Admins would be able to see this:

• Keep Yes this is a "classic example." It is a classic example of an attack page in the guise of an AfD, and I think it is a little shocking that this AfD has not already been deleted. This is the continuation of a harassment campaign against Weiss, myself and specific admins that has been waged on and off-Wiki by sock/meatpuppets of User:WordBomb, on various venues off-Wiki, including anti-Wiki websites. Among the targets is this article, which has been semiprotected to prevent vandalism.

The claims of sockpuppetry by three unnamed editors (presumably myself and the two other editors who disagreed with Cla68 over the last 24 hrs.) are outrageous lies. So is the WP:VAIN assertion, which is rubbish, which is made in a link, now deleted, from a cockamamie anonymous website obviously maintained by banned editor and notorious troll User:WordBomb, who has been harassing myself and other editors via multiple sockpuppets as can be seen from his user page. I urge interested editors to view the actual edit history of this article, which is notable for its relative inactivity in recent weeks and for the utter lack of substance to Cla68's claims. --Mantanmoreland 06:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work. Cool Hand Luke 02:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for asking to have it undeleted. The link to it is in my evidence section, and the arbitrators should all be able to view it. If any non-administrators want to view it, I know where a copy of the AfD is kept off-wiki, and can refer them to it. Cla68 (talk) 03:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

If you could

I suggest you take a look at this proposed FoF of yours, where I've suggested an emendation based on a statement by dmcdevit. Of course, you might want to ask him additional questions, but it seems he would consider it a matter of courtesy to have some action taken asap. Relata refero (talk) 19:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

If a third party, like one of the arbitrators, looks at what he deleted and tells me that he acted properly, then I'll retract it and apologize. Cla68 (talk) 20:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

As an admin, I can tell you that the edits were oversighted. As I don't have oversight rights, I can't say whether or not it was done right. See Misplaced Pages:Oversight#Users with Oversight permissions for the list who may be able to tell. GRBerry 20:48, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Congrats

Congrats on the USAF incident FAC passing. For future reference, you can use the |accessdate= and |accessyear= parameters so as to have a consistent date. Woody (talk) 09:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the tip and for the helpful comments. Cla68 (talk) 12:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

More congrats if you want it

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=15604&view=findpost&p=80617

Don't know if you have an account there, so he you are. Viridae 11:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't have an account there, so please pass on my thanks to the members of the committee and the academy. Cla68 (talk) 11:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Admin?

Are you ready to try for adminship again? I saw what happened last time and thought it was a shame. Jehochman 23:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Responded by email. Cla68 (talk) 00:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

RfC

Regarding this, note the provision at WP:RFC that "An RfC may bring close scrutiny on all involved editors." (Emphasis is in the original.) Just wanted to make sure you were aware since I've seen RFCs backfire. Raymond Arritt (talk) 01:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Thank you. Cla68 (talk) 01:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Cla68 is helping Misplaced Pages. WAS 4.250 (talk) 12:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: RfC

I bet my block is influential. I will not have any involvement in the RFC. MessedRocker (talk) (write these articles) 15:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Notifications

I have notified everyone in the tried and failed to resolve the dispute bit, as well as durova and dan tobias - the former because she was in that part but I'm not sure she will want to take part and the latter because he expressed interest. Viridae 11:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. Cla68 (talk) 11:49, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

asking for your support

Good day, I am soliciting your input and support for reinstating an article that I wrote called Leo J Meyer. Col Meyer was a soldier who started out in pre WWII National Guard ranks. After being called to Federal service and serving in the Pacific for most of 1942 he attended USAAF OCS in Miami Beach Fl along with several Hollywood personalities. His squad Sergeant was William Holden. He continued thru the war to Japan and returned after it to NYNY. He reenlisted in the National Guard and then transferred back onto active duty. He managed to get his commission reinstated and spent the rest of his time on active Army until retiring as a Colonel in 1971. He actually participated in combat in three wars and was awarded three Combat Infantryman Badges (read the article and the article on the CIB to learn the significance).

Besides telling a story of a man who “just wanted to be a soldier” I intended to wet the whistle of readers with a glimpse of US Army history (federalization of NG, WWII enlisted rank system, etc) hoping to encourage further investigation and learning of that history via Misplaced Pages.

I began posting the article to Misplaced Pages in late November 2007. By late January 2008 I felt the military biography was essentially complete without telling anecdotal stories about him and his friends like Hugh Casey for whom Camp Casey, Korea was named. That would only point out his personality and not necessarily be encyclopedic. At the end of January 08 a Misplaced Pages Administrator nominated the article for deletion. Although there were a couple of administrators who participated in the discussions who supported leaving the article, the decision was made to delete.

Obviously I feel that the Military Biographical Article falls in line with other articles of soldiers like Meyer’s friend Frederick Weyand whose article was the example I followed.

I found that those people who participated in the AfD did not read everything published or what was there very clearly, i.e. I hade posted an image of an article from an Army publication which addressed Meyer’s earning his parachute wings at age 51 and I had included from the get go the title of a book about Scrimshaw in which some of his art work was published by the books author. One complaint about this later was that there was no ISBN. I could not find one but I have found the Library of Congress Catalog numbers for the two books referenced.

I have modified the article and it is currently at User:Meyerj user page. I am inviting you to read it and if you support reinstating it, helping me to do so.

Thank you for your time. Meyerj (talk) 18:12, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

==Leo J. Meyer==

Please have a look at the DRV for Leo J. Meyer (currently seen at User:Meyerj) located at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2008 March. Its my opinion that the article met the standards for verifiability and notability. I would appreciate your input into the matter. MrPrada (talk) 18:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Source

Thanks for this source, I hadn't seen that one. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 06:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Reply

As you know being part of that crowd, the discussion was started, restored and is being continued by several long running ax-grinders with Jimbo both on and off site. Transparently using 'concern' as a reason to air Jimbo's dirty laundry and create drama is by definition that is disruptive editing. For that reason alone it can and should be ended and archived. You want to discuss Jimbo's personal imbroglios? This isn't the place for it; do it offsite. FeloniousMonk (talk) 15:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The cliqueism whereby NPOV is put aside to judge people and their ideas strictly based on which "crowd" they're part of is something I had hoped had been thoroughly discredited lately. *Dan T.* (talk) 16:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

This isn't the place to discuss it? Why isn't it? You don't seem to realize that the best way to put something to bed is to discuss it expeditiously and openly, not treat it like it's radioactive and relegate it to off-site forums or a private mailing list that only a few Wikipedians are allowed to or choose to belong to. Cla68 (talk) 21:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Prem Rawat

The credit for adding balance to that article in recent weeks goes to Msalt, Jayen466, Francis Schonken. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

That may be but you deserve credit for helping make sure they had the opportunity to balance that article. That was some good work. Cla68 (talk) 23:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, some good work by Francis Schonken (talk · contribs) especially, however much more work needs to be done to improve balance/neutrality on that article. Cirt (talk) 23:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration

I don't mean to take the wind out of your sails with my comment. The point I mean to make is, we're being told scope is limited because certain names and issues weren't added to the case. That makes sense on the face of it, but I have doubts when I think of the impact that adding my own name to the case had: going from there is no dispute to yes, but your dispute is beside the point. If that distracts from the main thrust of your statement then feel free to remove my comments from that subthread. Durova 04:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with what you said. Cla68 (talk) 04:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

RfC sandbox(es)

Hi -- I'd like to see the sandbox(es) restored that were in use before the JzG2 RfC went live. Would you have a problem with that? A temporary restore would be ok too. Alternatively, I could ask an admin for a copy by email, but I'm also interested in the edit history. See also my request on Viridae's talk page here. Thanks. Avb 11:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope, no problem. Cla68 (talk) 21:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Restored. GRBerry 21:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks; I've checked the things I wanted to know. Avb 14:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Redeleted. GRBerry 18:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Cla68 (talk) 23:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Feedback on draft requested - User:Lawrence Cohen/Arbitration RFC draft

Hi, if you have a moment, would you mind reviewing User:Lawrence Cohen/Arbitration RFC draft? I'm just beginning to draft this, but given the recent situations I think this could be valuable to see what community mandates if any exist for changes the Arbitration Committee could be required to accept. My intention was to keep the RFC format exceptionally simple, with a very limited number of "top level" sections that were fairly precise. Please leave any feedback on User talk:Lawrence Cohen/Arbitration RFC draft. Thanks. Lawrence § t/e 17:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Prem Rawat/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, John Vandenberg (talk) 02:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

RfC draft

I've started a draft user conduct RfC here. Cla68 (talk) 03:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

You seem to really enjoy doing these. Am I on your list? Raymond Arritt (talk) 03:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

What list? If you want to see the main impetus for this one, review the recent Mantanmoreland ArbCom case, especially the evidence page. Cla68 (talk) 03:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

please remove item 9 from the sandbox draft. i'm not a party to this matter. Anastrophe (talk) 07:41, 28 March 2008 (UTC)