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:I've fixed the reference section (w/o adding any new ones), and it currently lists 3 independent sources, none of which are sourced to Shahaf or his website. Regardless, Self-publsihed sources are prefectly good to use about themsleves, so I don't see how ] applies, in any case. The lead sentence clearly says that the notability is due to his involvement in the Al-Durrah case. In that context, his name features prominently in mainstream media in the US, Europe and Australia, so I don't think "worldwide" is too strong. ] does not allow you to scan in web site in order to reveal an alleged "political agenda". ] (]) 18:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC) :I've fixed the reference section (w/o adding any new ones), and it currently lists 3 independent sources, none of which are sourced to Shahaf or his website. Regardless, Self-publsihed sources are prefectly good to use about themsleves, so I don't see how ] applies, in any case. The lead sentence clearly says that the notability is due to his involvement in the Al-Durrah case. In that context, his name features prominently in mainstream media in the US, Europe and Australia, so I don't think "worldwide" is too strong. ] does not allow you to scan in web site in order to reveal an alleged "political agenda". ] (]) 18:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

::I'm not sure that he meets the ]. I've had the opportunity to check his notability on ] - he's mentioned in a number of articles but only ever in relation to the al-Durrah case. I've not come across anything that mentions him in any other context. I'm minded to nominate this article for deletion, but I'm willing to be persuaded if someone can identify a notability criterion that he satisfies. -- ] (]) 22:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

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Issues

I'm not going to make any edits or (hopefully) spread the Al-Durrah debate to here, and I know it's only just been created, but there are some issues with this article -

  • A lot of the information is sourced ultimately to Shahaf himself. See WP:SPS
  • "World wide notability" is a bit strong surely? He's really not known outside the world of those obsessed with the al-Durrah "staged" theories
  • I'm not asking for a "criticism" section (Misplaced Pages never benefits from them, even if plenty of critics of Israeli policies seem to have developed rather large ones over the years) but it should at least mention the debates around his work on the al-Durrah and Rabin cases.
  • Once glance at his website reveals he pretty clearly has a political agenda. Regardless of whether one agrees with that agenda or not, this basic fact is not clear from the text of the Wiki article.

At the moment it reads like he's simply a well regarded and high profile scientist, as well as some sort of mainstream investigative journalist. --Nickhh (talk) 09:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed the reference section (w/o adding any new ones), and it currently lists 3 independent sources, none of which are sourced to Shahaf or his website. Regardless, Self-publsihed sources are prefectly good to use about themsleves, so I don't see how WP:SPS applies, in any case. The lead sentence clearly says that the notability is due to his involvement in the Al-Durrah case. In that context, his name features prominently in mainstream media in the US, Europe and Australia, so I don't think "worldwide" is too strong. Our policy against original research does not allow you to scan in web site in order to reveal an alleged "political agenda". Canadian Monkey (talk) 18:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure that he meets the notability criteria for people. I've had the opportunity to check his notability on Factiva - he's mentioned in a number of articles but only ever in relation to the al-Durrah case. I've not come across anything that mentions him in any other context. I'm minded to nominate this article for deletion, but I'm willing to be persuaded if someone can identify a notability criterion that he satisfies. -- ChrisO (talk) 22:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
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