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Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Pigsonthewing 2

This arbitration case has now closed and the decision may be found at the link above. Pigsonthewing's editing privileges are suspended for one year. For the arbitration committee, David Mestel 18:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

In accordance with the decision, you've been blocked for a year by Cbrown1023. David Mestel 18:15, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

How utterly, depressingly predictable; and how utterly disgraceful. I have nothing but base contempt for this charade; for the mendacious promulgators of the palpably dishonest smears made against me; and for the clueless overseers who lack the wit or willingness to see through them. I see that no attempt as been made to remedy the ownership of the Composer and Opera projects, which pretends that there is a consensus against the use of infoboxes, when the opposite is provably true. And I note that Leonig Mig (talk · contribs), who called me a cunt, and a prick, and admitted stalking me, is still free to edit and abuse me unhindered. No wonder I say that I'm entirely justified in concluding that he exhibits no good faith. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 18:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello

I'm just back from a week in Cornwall; still grimy, smelling of salt & hung over from a long drive. But I wondered, a few minutes ago, when your sentence was up, and verily, here you are back. Welcome. 'Scuse me whilst I upload some pretty helicopter shots. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back—MJCdetroit 00:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back Andy. Adambro (talk) 14:10, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back. -- The Anome (talk) 00:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, all. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 11:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

And a welcome back from me too. Great to see you back. :) --Jza84 |  Talk  14:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Secondary school

Hi,

I noticed you tried adding classes to a few of the data lines in {{Infobox Secondary school}}. For this purpose you can use "class10 = ", "class11 = " rather than spans. This should work properly. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 23:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm not sure how that would work for the first one I tried, class="fn org". Please fell free to implement that change, so I can see how you did it. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 23:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I've had a go at this. Can you confirm if you're getting the expected results? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:33, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes - and I can see what you've done, so will be able to use the same technique elsewhere. Very helpful, Thank you! Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 25 August 2008

Solved your problem...

I added a few ParserFunctions in {{end date}}: if the hour parameter is set, it'll create an ISO 8601 date-and-time; if it is not, it'll be created as an ISO 8601 date one day in the future (a bit of a cheat, but still). Check out ...Baby One More Time and the calendar file it creates. Sceptre 13:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate your contribution, but the problem with that is, without CSS, the text is presented as 8 March 1999 (1999-03-09); which makes no sense. The "exclusive-end-date" requirement in hCalendar is a mess. Even experienced microformat developers use it wrongly, on the microformat wiki! I called some time ago (issue dated 20 January 2007) for publishers to be able to mark up an inclusive end date, with parsers instructed to convert it to an exclusive date when exporting it to iCalendar or other relevant applications, but so far the cabal which runs microformats has shown no interest in dealing with the problem. Toby Inkster, though, in his Cognition parser, does, I believe, allow inclusive-end-date mark-up (though I can't find that documented - I'll drop him a line). Also, the second publication date on ...Baby One More Time is not really an "end date". Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 13:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I realised that as soon as I saved. Until it is used inclusively, we might have to deal with one or the other. Sceptre 13:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

dtstart (start date) is required in hCalendar; dtend (end date) is not, so I suggest we continue to just mark-up start-dates until this matter is resolved. Another alternative (supported in ISO 8601) is to use 1999-03-08 24:00:00 for the above end-date, though some would see that as adding undue precision. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 13:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd think so too. Sceptre 13:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

See also my post of 21 August 2007 on "Resolving the exclusive-end-date issue" on the microformats-discuss mailing list. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 13:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

LDS temples and hCard microformat

Since I don't know much about the hCard microformat I was wondering if you would mind adding the appropriate tags to the {{Infobox LDS Temple}} and the {{LDS Temple compare}} templates since they use the same data as the {{LDS Temple list}} template you edited. I think it would be especially useful in the Infobox template since that is placed on the article for each individual temple. Thx in adv --Trödel 18:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done. Please use {{Birth date}} for dedication dates (I assume that they're considered the official "start" of the temples, rather than the ground-breaking date?) where possible. That may also require some template tweaks - note the effect it had on Chicago Illinois Temple.

I'd also recommend adding a 'coordinates' column to the comparison page. That way, the whole lot can be exported as KML, viewed on Google maps, etc. Welcome to the world of microformats! Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 18:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I implemented the hidden and class codes for the dedication date in the Infobox template itself rather than on the "data template" that way we don't have to update all of the templates. I'll also take a look at the coordinates template to see if we can implement the metadata there as well. Can you review what I have done to make sure it implements the microformat correctly --Trödel 19:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Good idea - I gave the wrong template; the class you need is bday, but I've changed that, and it's working fine, now. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 19:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thx - do you know why the & #160; code is in the {{Start date}} template - if it serves no purpose I'd prefer to not include it. Ditto on the "()" around the date - one span code would be better I think :) --Trödel 19:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I should have said: {{Start date}} is for hCalendar; use {{Birth date}} or {{Birth date and age}} in hCards - the former allows YYYY and YYYY-MM formats, as well as the YYYY-MM-DD required by the latter pair). The brackets and nbsp are needed for when CSS is disabled - try it! Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 20:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Dude!!! That is the coolest stuff I've seen in a long time!!!! Check this out link to map I'm so glad you let me know about this microformat stuff. Is there some way we can have it use different icons for the different statuses of the temples?? TIA --Trödel 20:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm rather proud if it ;-) Please help, by spreading the word. I don't think I can help with the icons, though. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 20:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Sweet! I've been watching you and Trödel's back and forth on this... I agree that this is cool stuff! A few months ago, I added coordinates to all the LDS temple data pages with the hope that I could do something like this, but I didn't quite know how to get it to work.

One thing that I was hoping to see (when I added the coordinates) was Google Maps' "Misplaced Pages icons" to appear over each temple, but that doesn't seem to have happened. Do you know if this will enable that feature? – jaksmata 22:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

For your illuminating contributions, I think you deserve this:

		The Misplaced Pages Spotlight Barnstar
		For your work with the hCard microformat making useful information even more useful. – jaksmata 22:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Thank you. I think that Google Maps refreshes its Misplaced Pages data every month or two, so you'll have to wait for the next update. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 22:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:Bach cantatas

Hello. Your recent switch of the Bach cantata template to use '|' instead of dots looks ugly in my opinion. I'd like to revert, but thought I'd check with you first. Was the switch due to some new global standard? Thanks. DavidRF (talk) 20:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

It's to improve accessibility and semantic meaningfulness by marking up what is clearly a list, as such, rather than characters which are read out ("one dot two dot three dot...") by the kind of assistive software used by, for example, people who are blind. If you wish to propose stylistic changes, please do so at {{flatlist}}. Thank you.Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 20:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, its really ugly for those of us that can see. Is there a way to change the delimiter character back to a dot but still allow for the use of the assisteive software? DavidRF (talk) 16:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know; but I did say: If you wish to propose stylistic changes, please do so at {{flatlist}}. Also, your accusation of spamming is both false and unacceptable, per WP:AGF and more. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 16:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Again, confusion about the fact that Pigsonthewing and Andy Mabbett are the same person. I'm not used to these user redirects. I didn't think the editor was responding and I thought Andy was a third party. Sorry. Thanks for responding to my questions. DavidRF (talk) 15:22, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Fame

Ooh, look, I'm famous: User:Kleinzach/My sandbox#POTW, , . Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 16:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

The user talk page referred to above was deleted, at the request of the user, on 30 August 2008. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 18:52, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Bot requests

Re:

• Misplaced Pages:Bot requests/Archive 22#Convert founded dates to template
• Misplaced Pages:Bot requests/Archive 22#Convert release dates to template

I'm pretty much on it. Just doing that BC thing first to get it out of the way. I propose to wrap the founded parameter in a redirect: this is because

1. Birth date looks silly
2. There is a categorisation process for establishment dates, which can easily be retrofitted.

Rich Farmbrough, 17:50 31 August 2008 (GMT).

OK; that seems like a good idea (I'll adjust the template documentation once you've started). Thanks. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 17:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

'infobox stadium' microformats

Re:{{infobox stadium}}

Hi,

What tools are you using to inspect microformat output? I can confirm that after the recent change the template was outputting semantically correct HTML, so it may be that there's an error in your tools. Please note that "fn" and "org" are two separate classes, so fixing them using an underscore or a non-breaking space evidently wouldn't be correct. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I use "Operator", but I also viewed the class names in the raw HYML source. I know that underscores and nbsp would be incorrect in HTML; but I wasn't sure how Wiki mark-up, or the template itself, would render them. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 16:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Midland Metro route maps

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Midland Metro route maps, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 22:55, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

: I moved it to a template, then realised that it was already a set of templates, but couldn't undo the move. Sorry for the mess-up :-( Andy Mabbett (aka Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 23:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Now redirected to Midland Metro, where they content already appears. Andy Mabbett (aka Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 23:17, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

chrtitle

The chrtitle parameter is not deprecated. It is still used to change the title of the Chairman field. The owntitle parameter has been introduced so that the "Owner" and "Chairman" fields are not both affected by changing chrtitle. – PeeJay 10:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure looks depreacted () to me. Andy Mabbett (aka Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 17:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

You're obviously not looking properly then. As you can plainly see by the template's source code, label7 now uses owntitle, while label8 still uses chrtitle. – PeeJay 13:08, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Coord

Hi , your changes to coord is making it shown on the page twice Gnevin (talk) 20:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

If that's not wanted (some prefer it), change display=inline,title to display=inline; the ability to do so is one of the advantages of {{coord}}. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 20:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok thanks Gnevin (talk) 20:59, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Forgot too ask, is there a way to hide the big blue globe? Gnevin (talk) 21:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Awful, isn't it? I don't usually see it, because I have disabled JavaScript in Firefox. You could ask on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates. BTW, I should have added that display=inline is the default, so may be omitted. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 21:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Category:Kazan Metro

Would you help me fix the coordinates? If you just convert the templates to {{coord}}, none will notice that they are wrong. -- User:Docu

I haven't "just converted" to coord; I've also fixed coordinates. Instead of just fixing coordinates, you could also convert to {{coord}}, the template which supersedes coor *, with additional functionality and user preferences for display. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 22:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

At least Ploshchad Tukaya (Kazan Metro) is still broken. If you replace {{coord}} with {{coor title d}}, you can learn why. -- User:Docu

Nonsense. And stop adding links to headings. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 23:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Would you look into your edit at Prospekt_Pobedy_(Kazan_Metro) and try to fix it yourself. I don't want to fix it for you just to find myself being reverted. -- User:Docu

If there are any specific point which you disagree with, or do not understand, please say so. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 13:11, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Never mind. I fixed it myself. -- User:Docu

I apologise that my telepapthy is not sufficiently acute as to be able to read your mind. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 13:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem. You broke it once more btw. -- User:Docu

John Downer (disambiguation)

An article you created, John Downer (disambiguation) has been nominated for deletion. Please see WP:MOSDAB and WP:PROD for how to contest this if you wish to do so. Boleyn (talk) 17:17, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Signature

Hi. I was wondering if you'd consider shortening your custom-user-signature? It is currently 2/3 of a full line long (at 1024x768 res):

Andy Mabbett (aka Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions

which seems a bit more than necessary! That's all :) -- Quiddity (talk) 18:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll consider it but i) why is that a problem and ii) how would you suggest I do so? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 18:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); talk; contributions — is a fair bit shorter and removes some redundancy. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

That would be shorter, but it would leave the words "talk" and "contributions" linking to different targets, depending on which user they refer. That's a breach of web accessibility guidelines. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 18:50, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

One would think that the context is sufficiently clear. Long signatures make discussion threads clutered, especially in edit view. When weighting the benefits of a contributions link (who ever clicks on that?!) and a talk page link (maybe slightly more useful, but only saves one click) versus the added clutter, at least my priorities always tip the scale towards the shortest possible sig. --Dschwen 16:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree, your signature is convoluted and makes it hard to read the text. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I've shortened it. I find the inclusion of "talk" and "contributions" links useful in others' sigs, and consider mine a courtesy to other editors. However, as stated above, including them with no indication as to whom they belong is an accessibility issue - the context may be apparent to a sighted person reading the page, but not to someone whose software lists links separate to the body of a page. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:59, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

You could always change your username to match your actual name WP:CHU. That would make it pretty obious and would get rid of the need to pipe. Crispness (talk) 14:11, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi! Thanks for deleting my duplicate post on WP:Help Desk. The page didn't load properly the first time so I reloaded. But seems like it was saved the first time too :) Chamal ± 12:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:Documentation/preload

Hi. Thanks for your message about Template:Documentation/preload. I think I'll leave it be, at least for the time being. (I hadn't realized the page was currently under discussion.) Sardanaphalus (talk) 12:57, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Please feel free to contribute to that discussion. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 12:58, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Homesteads

and I think you may be missing a "|". I reverted the article in the meantime. Moondyne 00:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Your edit summary was "use coord to add Geo microformat(s) and enable user preferences for display format; add hCard microformat - see WP:UF". I have no idea what that means and have read WP:UF and am none the wiser. Would you mind sharing with a simpleton like me, what these css classes actually do? Moondyne 00:59, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Nichalp sorted me out. Cheers. Moondyne 08:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Now fixed. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

No geolocation

Seems to be unused apart from one articel. {{Locate me}} on the talk pages seems the way people have gone. IF it is used probably needs to be an {{ambox}} of {{fix}}.Rich Farmbrough, 14:58 9 September 2008 (GMT).

I was guided by comments at User talk:The Anomebot2#Hmmm..... Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 15:02, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Coordinate templates

Hi, and thanks for the tip. I'll stick to coord now. De728631 (talk) 17:02, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, and thank-you. --Alan (talk) 17:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Coordinates

Please double check your conversions to {{coord}} and fix pages you broke (e.g. , ). If there are any specific points which you do not understand, please say so. -- User:Docu

I don't understand why you insist on being so obscure. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

If there are specific points about the two edits you do not understand, please say so. -- User:Docu

Note on your userpage re Leonig Mig

Hi Andy, and welcome back. Considering Leonig Mig has edited less than 100 times in the last 12 months (see here), and not at all since June, it would be appreciated if you would remove the message concerning his conduct.

He isn't particularly likely to reappear purely to start making further comments (abusive or otherwise) towards you, so disclaimers that you will not respond to him aren't really necessary. Leonig is well aware that if he does reappear and starts pestering you I or another admin will block him for good.

You're under no obligation to remove the message, but it would be a step towards letting the (now almost three-year-old) dispute go, and I would appreciate it. Thanks. Neıl ☄ 10:13, 10 September 2008 (UTC)