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IP users
Our policy is as follows:
- For repeated vandalism by an anonymous IP address, it is helpful to take the following additional steps:
- Trace the IP address (cf. http://dnsstuff.com) and add
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This IP address, Frank, is registered to Name of owner. In the event of persistent vandalism from this address, efforts may be made to contact them to report abuse. Contact information may be available in the WHOIS report.
If you are editing from this IP address and are frustrated by irrelevant messages, you can avoid them by creating an account for yourself. Sometimes, in response to vandalism, you may be temporarily unable to create an account.
If you are an unregistered user operating from this address, note that it may be possible for the owner of the IP to determine who was making contributions from this address at any given time.
If you are the owner of this address responding to reports of inappropriate conduct from this address, you may find the contributions history and block log for this address helpful. Please feel free to contact any administrator who has blocked this address with questions (blocking admins will be listed in the block log). |
to the user talk page of the address. If it appears to be a Shared IP address, add |
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Your IP address, Frank, is registered to Name of owner and may be shared by multiple users, so you might receive messages on this page that were not intended for you.
To have your own user pages, keep track of articles you've edited in a watchlist, and have access to a few other special features, please consider registering an account! It's fast and free.
If you are autoblocked repeatedly, contact your Internet service provider or network administrator and request it contact Wikimedia's XFF project about enabling X-Forwarded-For HTTP headers on its proxy servers so that blocks will affect only the intended user. Administrators: review contributions carefully if blocking this IP address or reverting its contributions. If a block is needed, consider a soft block using Template:Anonblock. In response to vandalism from this IP address, abuse reports may be sent to its network administrator for investigation.
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Last edited by:13:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
MiszaBot III (talk · contribs)
Interested in becoming a regular contributor to Misplaced Pages? Create an account!
Your IP address, Frank, is registered to Name of owner and may be shared by multiple users of an educational institution, so you might receive messages on this page that were not intended for you.
To have your own user pages, keep track of articles you've edited in a watchlist, and have access to a few other special features, please consider registering an account! It's fast and free.
If you are unable to create an account due to your institution's IP address being blocked, follow these instructions. If you are autoblocked repeatedly, contact your network administrator or instructor and request that your school contact Wikimedia's XFF project about enabling X-Forwarded-For HTTP headers on its proxy servers so that blocks will affect only the intended user.Administrators: review contributions carefully if blocking this IP address or reverting its contributions. If a block is needed, consider a soft block using {{School block}}. In response to vandalism from this IP address, abuse reports may be sent to its network administrator for investigation.
Educational institution staff and network administrators wishing to monitor this IP address for vandalism can subscribe to a web feed of this page in either RSS or Atom format. |
- For repetitive anonymous vandalism, particularly where registered to a school or other kind of responsive ISP, consider listing it on Misplaced Pages:Abuse reports.
The policy does not suggest posting a warning, and for good reason: most IP accounts from which people vandalize are shared. In this case, the next time the vandal edits Misplaced Pages s/he may be using a different IP address; the next person who uses this IP address may make a good contribution. I think is the point of the first point of the policy - if we establish that the IP address is shared, there is no point at all in positing a warning or a greeting. In any event, the steps laid out in the policy need be followed only in the case pf persistent vandalism.
Most IP talk pages I have seen in whcih someone posted a warning were used once; we all know that it is most likely that the vandal is just a kid who will not come back or if s/he does will use a different computer in the library or a different internet cafe. All posting these warning do is to create new talk pages. This is ine effect creating a nonsense page, and this is against policy.
The only pages I have deleted are phone user talk pages, that is, talk pages for non-existent users.
Do people really create new pages all the time in order to post a warning to an unidentified person? Well, there was a time when no one did that. there was a time when people focused on writing articles.
I assume good faith on the part of people who create new pages pointlessly, which is why I warn them. They take their well-intentioned zeal against vandalism one step too far. But the practice should be discouraged. Slrubenstein | Talk 00:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- I see you are a long-time editor and administrator, while I am relatively new with the mop. However, I don't see that your interpretation squares very well with consistent, established practice around here. We warn IP users all the time as a matter of routine course, and we block IP addresses as well. Users with named accounts can usually still edit depending on the type of block. I definitely do not see the purpose of blocking an editor with an account who has done nothing but warn an IP vandal, simply for creating what you are calling a nonsense page, which that is what goes on around here all day, every day.
- I am perfectly familiar with the templates you've splashed around above, and they are perfectly appropriate in cases of repeated abuse from IP addresses (whether semi-static or dynamic). But often people think nobody is paying attention, and even a single warning is quite effective in deterring future vandalism, which is the whole point. Frank | talk 01:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I didn't mean to "splash" anything - I took your comment seriously, and wanted to provide a thoughtful answer. I disagree with you. In most cases where people followed policy and tried to identify the address, it turned out to be a shared address used by the general public. if some people do this all the time, they should not. It does not deter vandalism, it does not send an effective message. What it does do is create a user talk page when there is no identifable user. Slrubenstein | Talk 01:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
My block
I put a warning on the person's page. The person ignored the warning and continued to create new nonsense pages. I blocked the person for the minimum amount of time, fifteen minutes, to ensure s/he would read the warning. The block has expired by now. I have no doubt that this user is generally productive but at the time s/he was making a series of unproductive edits and apparently ignoring the alert at the tope of the page saying s/he had a new message. Slrubenstein | Talk 01:01, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- I saw very clearly what you did, and I questioned it. I continue to question your interpretation of a nonsense page. Frank | talk 01:08, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- I am sorry, I thought you wanted an explanation. If you did not, feel free to stric=ke out or delete what I wrote. Slrubenstein | Talk 01:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks ...
... for your civility. I realize several people are upset that I blocked a user, and I acknowledge that many thought I was wrong, but I hope people understand that I do not consider blocks punitive and assume other editors understand that they are not punitive. My intention in a 15 minute block - whether one believes I was right or not - was to preventing imminent or continuing disruption to Misplaced Pages (the creation of what I view to be unnecessary and nonsense pages), and to encouraging a rapid understanding of my reasoning, and response to my notice on the user's talk page. As you pointed out, since the upset I have not done anything other to post an additional comment on that user's talk page - a comment I hoped owuld be conciliatory - and to respond to people who have posted to my user page.
I think there is a real need for discussion about the practice of creating new pages in order to issue warnings to IP addresses. If you have any ideas about the best venue for that, I would be happy to go along. I certainly won't take any more action until there has been community discussion. This goes against my better judgement but I am happy now to defer to the judgement of several other editors who have expressed their disagreement with me. Slrubenstein | Talk 02:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- I think maybe WP:RFC would be the proper venue. I don't know that you'll get much traction, but that's probably the best place to start. Cheers! Frank | talk 02:14, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Makes sense, thanks again, Slrubenstein | Talk 02:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Lulz
Hey now, some people just really like policy... Badger Drink (talk) 02:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Your awfully knee jerk desire to delete the "Batman's career timeline" article challenged
Batman is one of the most iconic, recognizable characters in all of comics. He has been around since 1939 and has had numerous adaptions made about him (via animation, live-action television and film, and video games). It would do the character more good (in terms of serving as a relatively important history lesson) than you could imagine to showcase a "career timeline" through all of the important eras/ages in the comics. Besides, if you're going to delete this article about Batman's career timeline and more importantly, his evolution as a superhero/crime fighter, then you might as well do the same about the article entitled "History of Superman". TMC1982 (talk) 7:27 p.m., 9 September 2008 (UTC)
- I read your response at the AfD and didn't feel I had anything more to add to my original comments in the discussion. Although your characterization of my opinion as "awfully knee jerk" isn't exactly what I'd call good faith, I went ahead and looked over the article and the discussion again. I did find and correct a spelling error in my original comments, but...I still feel the same way. I would add that what other articles exist in Misplaced Pages is rarely useful in an AfD discussion; we're discussing a single article, not the 6,938,150 that exist.
- As to your specific points, it's true that Batman is iconic. That is the reason there is a 72KB article all about him. Then there's a disambiguation page, which you can read for yourself but includes no fewer than 16 internal wikilinks just for the superhero (and there are more beyond that). Then there are the modern films: Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight. Each of these films has additional links, including video games, music scores, soundtracks, at least one arcade game, and more. But wait, that's not all. We also have Batman franchise media, which lists all those movies and more, including books, games, TV serials, radio, newspaper, theater, action figures, toys, and more. I understand there were one or two comics featuring Batman as well. I think it's safe to say there are some pages in Misplaced Pages that exist primarily because of their connection to Batman, such as Bob Kane and Burt Ward. I'm not suggesting they should be deleted, but acknowledging that they are part of the iconic status of the Batman character, which you can see is well-represented in the encyclopedia.
- Misplaced Pages does not exist to "do the character more good". Misplaced Pages exists to document knowledge. I don't think that deleting a page which is largely composed of original research does damage to anything, and in fact I am of the firm belief that to keep Misplaced Pages a reliable encyclopedia, we need to make sure that it has a certain threshold for inclusion and a certain level of achievement for each and every article. I don't think I'll live long enough to ensure that 100%, but...I can try.
- Hopefully you can see that quite the opposite of your characterization is true; my opinion is actually considered and, I believe, in line with Misplaced Pages policies and goals. You are free to disagree, but so far, I haven't seen anything to change my opinion. Frank | talk 14:57, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
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