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• Talk:Cynthia McKinney/archive1

"Documentary" more accurate term

The article refers to McKinney being featured in a "motion picture." However, American Blackout is specifically a documentary film, so I recommend changing the very broad, possibly misleading term "motion picture" to the more descriptive term "documentary film." — Robinlyn 06:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Anti Semitic Charges in 2006 primary and primary runoff

The section after "took aim at the efficacy of electronic voting machines and offered several swipes at the media." is out of place. It doesn't have any relevance to the 2006 runoff to mention allegations of racism in 2002. The allegation is noteworthy so keeping it is called for but I am moving it to the "Other controversies" section where it seems more appropriate. Billyjoekoepsel 15:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Green Party

Face it. The Green Party section is awful. It's not very informative, and very dull. Will an experinced wikipedian please fix that section? Thank you very much. 75.38.111.187 03:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

     Much like the Green Party itself  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.184.237.133 (talk) 04:48, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.90.22 (talk) 14:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Questions? Ask them through Wikinews

Hello,

I'm Nick Moreau, an accredited reporter for Wikinews. I'm co-ordinating our 2008 US Presidential election interviews. We will be interviewing as many candidates as possible, from the Democrats, Republicans, and other parties/independents.

I'll be sending out requests for interviews to the major candidates very soon, but I want your input, as people interested in American politics: what should I ask them?

Please go to any of these three pages, and add a question.

• n:Wikinews:Story preparation/US 2008/Democratic Party
• n:Wikinews:Story preparation/US 2008/Republican Party
• n:Wikinews:Story preparation/US 2008/Third Party or Independent

Questions? Don't ask them here, I'll never see them. Either ask them on the talk page of any of these three pages, or e-mail me.

Thanks, Nick -- Zanimum 19:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Semitic remarks

The article as it is reads, "She made anti-Semitic statements during her 2002 campaign," and lists 5 sources. Four of these sources do not quote McKinney as actually saying anything. I am not able to check the fifth source at this time, since it doesn't appear to be online. I read the earlier talk section about this subject, but I don't think this issue was adequately addressed. The current article unequivocally declares that McKinney made anti-Semitic statements, but does not provide actual quotations. It only provides commentators' assertions that she made such statements. If no one can produce an actual, verifiable quotation, it cannot be unequivocally written that McKinney made such statements.

I propose that the sentence "She made anti-Semitic statements during her 2002 campaign" be deleted, and that its citations be attached to the previous sentence in the paragraph: "Allegations have been made that McKinney is an anti-Semite, though she herself denies this." It is this statement that the sources cited support -- they cannot seriously be said to provide evidence that McKinney made anti-Semitic statements, but they do prove that commentators allege that she is anti-Semitic. --Kleebrum 04:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

This article, as published, reads more like an apology on McKinney's behalf than a simple encyclopedia entry. Do you think that some of the more blatant "appeals to passion" could be revised until this essay doesn't sound like a campaign ad?

Not Speculation, She is running for President.

At the School of Americans protest recently it was mentioned that she was seeking the nomination of the Green Party in her introduction and she did nothing to refute it. Also, she has a campaign manager. Currently there is a section on Green Party Speculation, however, clearly it's no longer speculation. Here's a link to a video of her speaking with the introduction that makes mention of her campaign McKinney at SOA Protest

ChipMD (talk) 01:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Semitism and Credibility of Sources

Does Misplaced Pages have a policy for assessing the credibility of sources cited in articles? Although it is true that several of the cited articles accuse McKinney herself of making anti-Semitic comments, none of them, in turn, cite any sources for these allegations. Until someone can come up with an arguably anti-Semitic quotation alleged by a credible source to have come out of (Cynthia) McKinney's mouth, I don't think this article should contain the allegation that she, personally, has made anti-Semitic remarks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.231.138 (talk) 16:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

There are plenty of references cited, and plenty of mainstream articles (notably Edward Alexander in the Seattle Times http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2001999939_alexander09.html among others) that have credibility in that regard. I have reverted your citation accordingly. --Mhking (talk) 17:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Mainstream sources, yes, but none of them include any allegedly anti-Semitic statements actually made by Cynthia McKinney. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.231.138 (talk) 18:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I just checked the citations again. Only two accuse her of making anti-Semitic comments, so I've rearranged and specified accordingly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.231.138 (talk) 18:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Revert of deletion of Daniel Pipes link

The Pipes link might be a personal weblog but the author is an expert in the field. See his on the same site for support on this point. That it is published on his weblog instead of elsewhere should not make it POV. Kisdm001 (talk) 17:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Pipes' blog totally fails WP:V#SELF. Sorry.

Political positions of Cynthia McKinney

I am new to Misplaced Pages. So, I'm sorry that I am not doing this myself. But I am asking for someone to please add a section to this article devoted to her political positions and her proposed policies. If possible, I would like to have a whole Wiki article made about it like those of other politicians. For example, this Wiki article on the Political Positions of John Edwards. Also, This website seems to have some information on the topic

Rmob1988 (talk) 07:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

How much info on embarassing associates should be in a presidential candidate's biography?

The Barack Obama Featured Article, part of this project's scope, now has an important discussion on its talk page (at Talk:Barack Obama#Attempt to build consensus on the details) that could affect other articles, including this one, on other presidential candidates. There is already talk on that page that the articles on other presidential candidates may need to be changed, so editors involved in this article may want to get involved with the discussion there.

Some editors here think that when a U.S. presidential candidate is embarassed by someone associated with that candidate, no information about it should be mentioned in the WP biography article, even if the campaign (and therefore the person who is the subject of the article) was affected. Others think WP should only mention that this person was controversial and leave a link in the article to the WP article on that controversial associate. Still others (including me), think we should briefly explain just why that person was controversial in the candidate's life, which can be done in a phrase or at most a sentence or two. Examples:

• Hillary Clinton and Norman Hsu
• Barack Obama and Bill Ayers (and Jeremiah Wright, and Tony Rezko)
• John McCain and John C. Hagee
• Rudy Giuliani and Bernard Kerik

Whatever we do, we should have equal treatment, so anyone interested in NPOV-, WP:BLP-compliant articles should look at and participate in the discussion. We've started the discussion by focusing on how much to say about former Weather Underground leader Bill Ayers in the Barack Obama article, but, again, this will likely affect many other articles.

If you click on the first link I give here, you'll find a comparison I did of negative information in the Clinton, McCain and Giuliani articles. I've also posted that information on the talk pages of those articles. In that discussion (and at the McCain, Clinton and Giuliani talk pages), I've also posted a comparison of what negative information is presented on each candidate, especially in relation to associates who give the candidates bad publicity. I think editors of this article would find the comparison useful. Noroton (talk) 17:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

On some other pages where I've posted this, people have been responding only beneath the post, which is fine, but won't help get a consensus where it counts. So please excuse me for raising my voice, just to make sure I get the point across: Please respond at Talk:Barack Obama#Attempt to build consensus on the details where your comments will actually affect the consensus!!! Sorry for the shoutin', won't do it again (here, anyway). Noroton (talk) 18:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

What?

What does this mean:

"Majette declined to run for re-election to the House, opting instead to become a candidate to replace retiring Senator Zell Miller, a conservative Democrat. McKinney instantly became the favorite in the Democratic primary. Since it was taken for granted that victory in the Democratic primary was tantamount to election in November, McKinney's opponents focused on clearing the field for a single candidate who could force her into a runoff election.

However, her opponents' efforts were unsuccessful, and five candidates entered the Democratic primary. As a result of the fragmented primary opposition, McKinney won just enough votes to avoid a runoff. This all but assured her return to Congress after a two-year absence. However, contrary to traditional practice, the Democrats did not restore McKinney's seniority. Had she been able to regain her seniority, she would have been a senior Democrat on the International Relations and Armed Services committees, as well as ranking Democrat on an International Relations subcommittee."

If she ran for Zell Miller's seat, she'd have been running for the SENATE, not the house. So, I'm a bit confused. very very confused.

Also, and maybe this is just me, but I'd prefer a better citation for the idea that it's 'traditional practice' to give back seniority, since the examples counterpunch (putting aside my problems with that organization) gives are either speculative, the result of a prior deal, or people who switched parties, rather than leaving the house and coming back. Either way, the Zell Miller thing is just wrong.216.98.233.245 (talk) 07:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, I read it right now. Majette ran for the Senate, leaving McKinney free to resume her house seat. I still think that needs to be cleared up a bit. 216.98.233.245 (talk) 07:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I edited the second sentence in this excerpt to clarify that McKinney became the favorite in the House Democratic primary, because I was mystified too. - July 22, 2008

Formatting error

Help I've been working on this article, and for some reason, after the succession boxes at the bottom and before {{Cynthia McKinney}}, there is an arrent: |} I can't figure out what's doing it. Can anyone fix this? Please post on my talk if you need me. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

5,000 Bush victims

The hotair.com link is seriously biased. Their racism is apparent with the very first sentence. It reads, "It wouldn’t be an election cycle without Cynthia McKinney’s lunacy..." She did make the claim, and she does have proof. A link to an original source at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nc-DouFzYM would be better than the Bush worshipping, America hating, racist hotair.com. 97.113.1.190 (talk) 11:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Give it up, 97.113, you and the other mental patients who believe one word out of McKinney's mouth are the real racists; just because the individual whose lunacy is being pointed out happens to be black doesn't make it a comment about black people, but you already know that. In fact, in the comment you quoted, where is there ANY mention of race, besides your own hateful interpretation? What you want us to believe is that 5,000 people were killed all at once, and no family has ever come forth to mention it? McKinney realizes that her sham of a campaign isn't getting enough attention, so she has to make up yet more nonsense in order to get on TV again. In this case, though, any publicity is not necessarily good publicity, because the sane portion of this nation is simply getting a good laugh at her... and you.

So it's a person who heard it from someone who heard it from someone else? And she has anonymous confirmation from the Red Cross? Sure, Rep. McKinney, sure. 433 (talk) 13:40, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

This talk page is for discussion relevant to improving the article, not general discussion about the subject. Let's keep it that way, as per WP:TALK. -kotra (talk) 19:32, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Workers World Party and Reconstruction Party (United States)?

Something needs to be added about the WWP and the Reconstruction Party... I don't know more about it than that one link. Шизомби (talk) 02:55, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Why? Is McKinney part of those parties?

Explain rv

Particularly in the middle of an election campaign, you cannot just make statements like "John Doe says candidate X is a child abuser" even if John Doe really did say it. PatGallacher (talk) 19:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for coming to talk. Where does it say in policy that you cannot make such statements? I mean specifically, not just "BLP." IronDuke 19:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I understand PG's point, it seems like it could be a potentially incendiary charge made during an opportune time to cause political damage. I'm not sure about BLP but it may be against NPOV or perhaps it is being given undo weight with the inclusion of the quote. A middle road compromise seems best. CIGraphix (talk) 19:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, as I say, Alan Dershowitz is an authority on these matters. Spekaing of BLP, I wouldn't want to make negative insinuations about his motives. But what sort of compromise did you have in mind? IronDuke 20:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure Dershowitz is a reliable source, see WP:PROVEIT. PatGallacher (talk) 00:46, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

If you aren't sure Dershowitz is a reliable source, you shouldn't be editing articles where his name might come up. IronDuke 06:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I think Pat is saying that he's (prima facie) not a reliable source. There often a subtlety in the phrase "I am not sure that .." which you seem to have missed. And of course WP is the encyclopedia anyone (even those not 100% sure about everything in the world) can edit, so the second point is a bit moot. Having said that the piece cited would appear to be a reliable source for the fact that Dershowitz made the comments - the problem for me is that for one editor to simply assert that he is a "noted authority", and that therefore anything he says in a one-off op-ed can just be chucked into a BLP is pushing several WP rules a bit far. The "anti-semite" accusation is a political dig - and a serious one at that - from a well-known partisan polemicist, not some kind of scientific assessment. The Green party themselves appear to have described the comments as "slanderous", which should raise BLP flags, and if nothing else requires that any text here citing his comments should also reference this response. --Nickhh (talk) 11:42, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

If you have a good source for the Green Party's remarks, by all means put it in as a rebuttal. I'm a bit disturbed that you don't seem to be aware of Dershowitz's prominence in this field. You might think about getting yourself a little more educated on the topic before you edit any more in these sensitive areas. I'll even recommend some books, if you like. "Scientific assessment?" Well, you got me there. The quote is indeed not a scientific assessment. Would you like to comb through this article, deleting anything that isn't a "scientific assesment?" IronDuke 16:51, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Dershowitz makes the vague statement that McKinney's supporters frequently (my emphasis) chanted anti-Jewish slogans at her rallies, without giving dates, places, or even telling us what the slogans were. If this was true of any significant political figure I think we would have heard more about it. PatGallacher (talk) 12:17, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

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