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| :Well, no. What you're offering '''is''' the orthodox interpretation based on the words of Christ ('no one knows the hour but the Father'), which is the official doctrine of the Catholic Church, among others. However, what millennialist thought '''always''' does is claim: | |||
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| #the end is coming soon | |||
| #WE (the associates of the prophet) know the date | |||
| #be very afraid | |||
| #(and sometimes) sell all you have and follow ME (the prophet) | |||
| That is the pattern clearly discerned in history. See Landes, to whom I referred you, and Norman Cohn, ''The Pursuit of the Millennium''. These are accessible and in English. There is a large body of technical material on biblical interpretation both for itself (what you just did was an orthodox piece of biblical interpretation - 'the end may come any time so be prepared') and in history (what others have said, truly or erroneously). I do a lot of work with both types. Anytime someone says 1000 years, check your purse to make sure it's still there. --MichaelTinkler | |||
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Starting Talk 2002
Mrs. Jonat, please check Szopen/TreatingSource and Szopen/HREargument
HJ, are you seriously suggesting that Napoleon and the Book of Revelation have something to do with understanding modern European history? That he was the first to 'takeover' Europe? The first to destroy pre-existing kingdoms? --MichaelTinkler
To MichaelTinkler
I look at all sources and the Book of Revelation speaks of 1000 year occurances. There are many things happening that are not easily explained by scientific method. In other words many more things happen, than people rationally can understand.
I am open .
{{H. Jonat]]
No. All of this is quite easily accessible to rational understanding. The book of Revelation in chapter 20 speaks of A 1000 years. One. Just one. The idea of 1000 year periods is an early Christian interpretation of the Book of Revelation in light of Psalm 90 ("For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night") in which the 6 days of creation plus the original day of rest (the 7th day) are compared to 7 millennia - and the idea is that the millennium of the book of Revelation will be the 7th, so that the transition between the 6th and the 7th will be the time of the antichrist. This was cross-referenced with the belief that the world was a fairly recent creation - that it was about 5500 years old when Christ was born, and therefore the year 6000 (the time of the antichrist) was coming SOON. Needless to say, it hasn't happened yet. I know a lot about this subject - it is my favorite kind of medieval exegesis. You, however, either have never known or have misremembered. My suggestion is that you drop it, or take a look at the work of Richard Landes (here's his web page: http://www.mille.org/people/rlpages/personlandes.html). --MichaelTinkler
To MichaelTinkler
I glanced through the headlines and see that people are making studies of this.
Before the year 2000 people thought it is the time , as they thought before the year 1000. In 1800 people thought that is it , in 1900 they thought this is it and before 2100 they will think it again.
It could have been and could be at any time , that is my thought.
Besides the 1000 year revelation Germans have a 100 year timeline, waiting for the time when Kaiser Barbarossa , emperor Frederik( combination of I and II) Red Beard wakes up from his long sleep in the Kyffhaueser mountain in Thuringia. He did wake up a while ago.
- HJ, yes, people 'thought this'. It could also mean that people fall for the same mistakes over and over again. It still doesn't make it 'what the book of Revelation says' - it only makes it a particularly useless interpretation thereof. --MichaelTinkler.
Basically it seems to want to convey the message, that any time , any day, could be the day. So be on your toes, so to speak ,all the time.
- Well, no. What you're offering is the orthodox interpretation based on the words of Christ ('no one knows the hour but the Father'), which is the official doctrine of the Catholic Church, among others. However, what millennialist thought always does is claim:
- the end is coming soon
- WE (the associates of the prophet) know the date
- be very afraid
- (and sometimes) sell all you have and follow ME (the prophet)
That is the pattern clearly discerned in history. See Landes, to whom I referred you, and Norman Cohn, The Pursuit of the Millennium. These are accessible and in English. There is a large body of technical material on biblical interpretation both for itself (what you just did was an orthodox piece of biblical interpretation - 'the end may come any time so be prepared') and in history (what others have said, truly or erroneously). I do a lot of work with both types. Anytime someone says 1000 years, check your purse to make sure it's still there. --MichaelTinkler