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New Grove

I think the description of the New Grove Inn is very unfair, this is a regular pub with real people and should be embraced not avoided.

I can't see any description of the New Grove Inn in this article. Where do you mean? --Malleus Fatuarum 21:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Guys, let's not forget, that encyclopedia isn't a pub guide in the fist place. M0RD00R 22:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Residential town

To say that Whitefield has only ever been a residential town is to ignore its history. It has neither always been a town nor always been lacking in manufacturing industry. There were - for example - substantial textile mills on Hardmans Road, on Victoria Avenue by the railway bridge and off what is now Albert Road, for a start, and James Halstead (aka Polyflor Ltd) has long operated from Whitefield. Sitush 07:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

If you can find any sources regarding those, it would be helpful to mention them here or add them to the article. Jakew 11:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Some of the mills etc are clearly visible on historic Ordnance Survey maps and there are references to them also in Thomas Holt's "Pilkington Park" (pub. 1963, long out of print but I have a copy). Polyflor is a plc formerly known as James Halstead - their website and/or Companies House list their address as Whitefield. I can remember going in the buildings on Hardmans Road when it was still operating as a mill, as I did also in the recently converted building on Sefton Street - and I'm nowhere near drawing a pension yet. The site of Whitefield Brewery, by the way, is the current PMB garage on Higher Lane - the garage is actually the same building. I've still not worked out how to edit the main page to Wiki standads yet. Sitush 10:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Place name

Can anyone provide a reference for the Lord Whitefie story referred to in the section explaining the origin of the Whitefield name? In all my 40-odd years here I have never heard anyone mention that as a possible origin, nor can I find a reference myself. The two published local histories - by Holt and by Wilson - do not refer to it, nor can some people I know who have lived in the place for over 80 years recall hearing it. Sitush (talk) 03:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

If neither of the local histories mention to Lord Whitefie story I think that's enough to say that it should be removed from the article. Feel free to do so. Nev1 (talk) 12:41, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've just re-read the relevant bits of the two histories I mentioned (self-doubt!) and it confirms my point, although to be honest it looks iffy even without referring. Furthermore, the whole section on naming needs a rewrite, confirming some less iffy suspicions. I'm not sure that I can cite publication data in full but I can certainly cite the publication titles & authors & they are still available in local libraries, so I'll do the rewrite asap Sitush (talk) 00:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that's great. If you provide the name of the book and the author, there'll probably be the rest of the info on Amazon or somewhere. Also, would it be possible to include the page numbers? It's not so important but it help readers if they ever want to check the information for themselves. Nev1 (talk) 00:32, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'll sort something out along the lines that you refer to. Might need a bit of help with the formatting of citations/references but let's see what happens (sandbox, preview etc will help). I wouldn't bank on Amazon etc, though, for further info on the books - I've been searching for extra copies of them for a long time & have had no luck. As they were published locally and some time ago - one by a local newspaper with aspirations (then!) -they do not even carry an ISBN number. Sitush (talk) 00:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, local library websites might have some info. If you need any help just ask here, or on my talk page, or on the talk page of the Greater Manchester wikiproject. Here's an example of the citation template: {{citation |first=Barry |last=Cunliffe |title=Danebury: Anatomy of an Iron Age Hillfort |publisher=Batsford Ltd |year=1983 |isbn=0713409983 }} gives: "Cunliffe, Barry (1983), Danebury: Anatomy of an Iron Age Hillfort, Batsford Ltd, ISBN 0713409983".

• "|first=" should be the author's first name
• "|last=" should be the author's surname
• "|title=" the title of the book
• "|publisher=" the publisher
• "|year=" year the book was publisher (of the edition you're using)
• "|isbn=" the isbn if available

There are other optional fields, such as "|url=" which allows a hyperlink to be included (for example if you've found the book on google books) but for locally published books the ones above should be enough. Hope that helps. Nev1 (talk) 00:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, rewritten place name paragraph and removed completely the reference to th Whitefie story. Sitush (talk) 11:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

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