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Welcome to Misplaced Pages

Courtesy note: You may have missed this

See: Ikip (talk) 02:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Ikip. That was eventually resolved a few months ago, which seems like an eternity in Internet-Time. Hope you are having a good week, thanks. ~_{Teledildonix314}~~_4-1-1~ 23:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

The Robinson RfC

I appreciate your taking the time to respond to the Gene Robinson RfC. Unfortunately, although I was trying to set up a process for a neutral and mutually agreed-upon statement of the issues, one user bypassed that and went ahead unilaterally. The result was that you commented before the other side had been presented. I'm explaining why I disagree with your comment, in the hope that, having heard both sides, you'll consider changing your mind and amending your response.

You wrote, "Our convention is to use the nomenclature preferred by the person themselves...." You're probably referring to our convention for article titles, which is to use the name by which the person is most commonly known. The issue on this RfC, however, is how to begin the article. There our convention is set forth at Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (biographies)#Names (the MoS), which states:

While the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known, the subject's full name should be given in the lead paragraph, if known.

The people who type in "Gene Robinson" should come to this article and see something like this:

Vicky Imogene "Gene" Robinson (born May 29, 1947)....

That should tell them whether they're on the right page. (Your comment prompts me to think that, regardless of the outcome of this RfC, we should add an "other uses" hatnote for the benefit of people looking for one of the Eugene Robinsons, the football player or the journalist.)

You also wrote, "We can use the standard redirection options for other variations, as we do for so many public figures whose 'famous' names are different from their 'legal' names." We already use redirection with respect to the article name. Vicky Imogene Robinson redirects to the Gene Robinson article. The redirect, however, doesn't affect the use of the full name at the beginning of the article. In such cases as Thomas Woodrow Wilson, Willard Mitt Romney, William Jefferson Clinton, and Samuel Langhorne Clemens, the legal name is a redirect to the article, which is at the famous name, but the article begins with the full legal name. That's the solution I'm supporting in this case. JamesMLane t c 05:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Please excuse my mess today, i totally mixed up my thoughts regarding Title versus Lede, and i've gone back to change my comments, with strikethrough, right while you were posting here (and then i had Edit Conflicts while trying to strikethrough! gahh!) Very sorry about my mixup, i hope my newer comment will be more useful. Thanks ~_{Teledildonix314}~~_4-1-1~ 05:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much for taking the trouble to change your comment! JamesMLane t c 05:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh wow, how wrong i was at first; i wish i had a time-machine so i could prevent my original remark from ever having happened! Now that my coffee has kicked in, i realized how much i messed up initially, so i just went back to that discussion and totally hopped on the soapbox. I did my best to plead the case for treating gay clergymen the same respectful way we treat amazingly successful African American politicians and super popular titanic British athletes. If it's good enough for the President of the United States and for the beloved wrestler Big Daddy, then i think it's good enough for an eminently respected Episcopal Bishop. I wish i'd been more awake when i first commented yesterday, because i was sadly conflating the title versus the lede; and now that i have a clearer head, i realize my true feelings lie in the opposite direction of my original comment. Sometimes i think i should wait a whole day before i chime in on any Misplaced Pages discussions, instead of blundering in hastily during the first minute without giving things my wisest consideration. ~_{Teledildonix314}~~_4-1-1~ 12:41, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Reply

Sure, I'd be happy to take a look. Just give me a day or so to read up on the discussion. Regards, –Juliancolton |  02:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. ~_{Teledildonix314}~~_4-1-1~ 02:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, doesn't look like I'd be able to do a lot in this case. I'll keep an eye on it, however. Cheers, –Juliancolton |  16:56, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

FYI

Hi, I enjoyed your post to me. Just want to let you know I responded to you on my talk page. I don't know if I am on your watchlist or not so I thought I would pop in here and let you know. Be well, --CrohnieGal 12:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Hi, thanks for the pleasant reply, i'll keep your page on my WatchList. You are so right, information and knowledge are power, and that's so much of what's great about working with people on Misplaced Pages. ~_{Teledildonix314}~~_4-1-1~ 01:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration involving User:Collect

You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#edit warring by collect and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Requesting Arbitration;
• Misplaced Pages:Arbitration guide.

Thanks,--Brendan19 (talk) 19:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me. I believe this is important, because i have been hoping for a behavioral change, and i don't think the Request for Comment had much of a result. Unfortunately, the vast majority of my frustrating experiences with Collect have been in a disputed article which has been in Mediation for months, and due to the privileged nature of Mediation i will not be allowed to present evidence from that case. In effect, his bad behavior in that dispute is "sheltered" from the Arbitration committee's decision-making. Of course, it's not invisible, as anybody can freely read the long history of that Mediation and see exactly how he operates (and continues to operate). But it won't be "presentable as evidence", so to speak, in the Arbitration. I've been so angry about his tactics of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT, semi-Civil POV-pushing, and especially his refusal to ever admit fallibility; but it will be difficult for me to bring these complaints to the Arbitration because my interactions with him are mainly behind the wall of Mediation. I will certainly examine all of the discussions of other involved editors, but i might not have anything much to add. Thanks for the information, i hope some kind of progress can be made in order to reduce the frustrations of so many other editors who've been dealing with the same frustrations. ~_{Teledildonix314}~~_4-1-1~ 20:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)