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I've put a message on the talk page of the user in question, which is usually worth doing in cases like this. Let's see what happens. DJ Clayworth 19:17, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Famous Quotes

(Please note that I am not sure of the accuracy of such quotes, and any updates and other quotes are welcomed)

• "Celtic Jerseys are not for second best, They don't shrink to fit inferior players" Jock Stein
• "I don't believe everything Bill tells me about his players. Had they been that good, they'd not only have won the European Cup but the Ryder Cup, the Boat Race and even the Grand National!" Celtic Football Club manager Jock Stein on Bill Shankly -- Paddy C. 86.133.150.145 17:55, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I think that this is a good idea, Paddy. Just verify the quotes first, so that you can prove that he really said them, then put them back in the article. Oh and we only sign stuff that we add to this discussion page -- not stuff that we put in the main article. Cheers -- Derek Ross | Talk 07:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

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I do apologise I am new to this and this is the first thing I have updated, I admit I should have read some Frequently asked questions and some rules or guidelines first, I sincerely apologise.

I will find it difficult to produce hard evidence, however I am 110% sure he did say them, but I will try anyway.

First quote "Celtic Jerseys are not for second best, They don't shrink to fit inferior players" Jock Stein is mentioned in a lot of Celtic supporters' websites, and is a quote I have heard various times. The fact that shirts with this quote are being sold does mean that this quote has a historic significance. Not The View (Celtic Fanzine).

Other websites which feature this quote include the Jock Stein's Celtic Supporters Club in Melbourne (Australia)

On the second quote, the fact that even the Liverpool's official website (Bill Shankly, who the quote talks about was arguably the best manager in Liverpool's history) has that quote, in my opinion and interpretation means that this quote is historically recognised by both sets of supporters (Celtic and Liverpool) therefore making it believable and somehow showing it has been said.

Other websites where this quote can be found include This one Another Liverpool Supporters website

I will post all evidence I keep on finding here, and hopefully soon it will be enough for this quotes to be featured on this website.

I think the idea of resources being provided and facts needed to be proved is brilliant, as it makes this website really accurate.

Finally I would like to congratulate everyone for making this website an excellent one, I think it is brilliant and I use it to clear any doubt I may have.

I am still confused, should I signed this here? I will do it just in case.

Paddy 86.141.107.48 01:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Another quote which I would like to add.

"We did it by playing football. Pure, beautiful, inventive football". - Jock Stein, Lisbon, 1967 (After wining the European Cup)

• Celtic's "Year of Triumph" - the Lisbon Lions & 1967 Website, by Mike Garrett.

Yep, sign here on the discussion page. Don't sign the articles. (And consider getting your own login. It doesn't hurt, honest!) -- Cheers, Derek Ross | Talk 06:07, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

The "Big Jock Knew" Controversy

• "There was always talk around Celtic about Torbett and boys, but nothing seemed to be done until Jock Stein found out. He kicked Torbett out, but it was still kept quiet. All the directors and lots of others knew why Torbett got the boot, but it was swept under the carpet."

The Daily Record,John McLuskey former Celtic youth player and brother of former Celtic player George McLuskey in an interview with Anna Smith of the Daily Record 12/08/1996

Who said the above? What date Daily Record? Camillus 21:50, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

As you've made it your life's work to get this quote into the JS article, you're obviously an authority on the subject. Did you find this interview in a library, and if so, which library (in Glasgow)? Camillus 00:37, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

All libraries in Scotland have back issues of newspapers. Phone the daily record and ask them to send you a copy. I have made it my lifes work? You seem to devote more time finding reasons to keep it out.Karatekid7 01:06, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, KK7, but checking your contributions, you've done nothing else but add vandalism and slander to pages related to Celtic and "Catholics" since May this year. Not a single positive contribution. How sad.

THIRTEEN times you've added this to the JS page. I have reverted it THREE times.

In your earlier edits, you included the phrase JS "covered up...for 20 years until his death" - which proves: you can't even count.

I stated to your "co-conspirator" B the B that I had no real objection to a mention of the Torbett affair in the article - but certainly not in the introduction - is this really one of the most important things to say about JS in a summary of his career?

However, what I will not accept is any attempt to smear Jock Stein with any of this "Big Jock Knew" garbage. The man is dead (dying taking OUR country to the World Cup), and we will never know what he did and did not know, as we can't ask him.

Answer this simple question please - what date Daily Record? Camillus 14:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I can't count? It always seems strange to me that you make personal attacks. I may not be able to count(sigh) but you obviosly have serious problems reading as the date is mentioned.Karatekid7 15:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

It is your responsibility to provide sources to justify claims. If you want the information in you get a copy of it with verifiable information as to date of publication, etc. All Camillus is doing is following Misplaced Pages rules on keeping unsourced information out of articles. FearÉIREANN\ 01:13, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I have quoted my source. Seems strange however that you banned me even when the sources were clearly indicated.Karatekid7 01:18, 16 December 2005 (UTC)