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 Bonaparte  talk & contribs

"Mein Vater Persifal trägt eine Krone

Sein Rittersohn bin ich, Lohengrin genannt"

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"Wanderer tritt still herein

Schmerz versteinerte die Schwelle;

Da erglänzt in reiner Helle

Auf dem Tische Brot und Wein"

 Bonaparte  talk & contribs

"Ich bin der räuber Orbazan"

 Bonaparte  talk & contribs

"Hier stehe Ich. Ich kann nicht anders. Gott helfe mir. Amen."

 Bonaparte  talk & contribs

"Eine feste Burg ist unser Gott."

 Bonaparte  talk & contribs

"I trust I make myself obscure."

 Bonaparte  talk & contribs

Welcome on my discussion page

Moldova

Multumesc :) Nu e usor sa faci dezbatere cu rusi si cu tradatorii aia de basarabeni care isi scuipa poporul si istoria neamului romanesc, dar asta e. --Anittas 01:35, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Sa stii ca ma consider Roman (desi traiesc in basarabia) si ceea ce tu ai spus, in special "tradatorii aia de basarabeni" chiar m-a ofensat...

Imi place mult comparatiile care le-ai facut intre limbi si constitutiile celor doua state. Tot inainte! :) --Anittas 20:36, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Bonaparte

De ce Bonaparte daca esti roman? Nu mi se pare corect! --Dacodava Ar trebui totusi sa-ti exprimi identitatea de roman. Chiar daca si eu il simpatizez pe Napoleon, nu cred ca e cazul sa-mi asum istoria unei alte natiuni.Dacodava

About the "so-called Moldovan language" and Romanian

Hi Bonaparte,

Yes, you're right, every linguist knows what you're saying is essentially correct. However, there are minor distinguos to be made in terms of: (1) What is the difference between a language and a dialect; (2) standard language vs. dialects; (3) national language vs. language from a linguist's point of view, and so on and so forth. Romanian, or more precisely Daco-Romanian, is obviously one language, but it has some dialectal variation (not a whole lot, really, compared to some other European languages), among Oltenian, Muntenian, Transylvanian, Moldavian dialects, etc. (I am referring to the Moldavia, or Moldova, that is part of Romania, not to the old province of Bessarabia, which corresponds more or less with the present-day country of Moldova).

When the Soviets decided to invent a "Moldovan" language, they essentially took standard Romanian, wrote it in Cyrillic (to be fair, that is the way Romanian was written up until the mid-nineteenth century anyway), and gave it just a little regional flavor by adding some dialectal features, characteristic however of the Moldavian dialect within Romania, not specifically of the Bessarabian dialect). But these dialectal features are not very significant.

As a result, there is no question that Moldovan and Romanian are essentially the same language. So, what is the difference between a language and a dialect? "A language is a dialect with an army and a navy" (a quote from Antoine Meillet, but also -- erroneously??? -- attributed to Max Weinreich, Uriel Weinreich, and Joshua Fishman). That's it. Consider the case of Dutch. Technically, linguists should consider it a dialect of German, specifically the Netherlandic subgroup of the Lower Franconian dialect group (there is of course huge variation among the dialects of German), but imagine telling the Dutch that. They are a very proud national group. And what about the difference between Dutch and Flemish? Of course, the Flemish dialects are a distinct subgroup of Lower Franconian dialects than the dialects of Holland, but in Belgium they use the same standard language as in Holland, so, despite the dialectal differences, the Dutch/Flemish standard language is the same. Finally, one additional complication: all the dialects from the eastern part of the Netherlands aren't even Lower Franconian, but Lower Saxon dialects, just like the Plattdeutch dialects of the German state of Niedersachsen.

So, what do you want me to say? Historically, whether Moldovan and Romanian will be considered different "languages" (not, of course, from a linguist's point of view, which they will never be really, but in the sense of "national languages") will depend on whether they will remain as separate countries in the centuries ahead. So, ultimately, this whole question has a lot more to do with politics than with linguistics.

I hope I didn't disappoint you. Îmǐ place foarte mult limba romînǎ. Pasquale 22:31, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, Bonaparte, most linguists consider Aroumanian (or Macedo-Romanian), Istro-Romanian, and Meglenitic as separate languages, not dialects. That's why I said above: "Romanian, or more precisely Daco-Romanian, is obviously one language". By specifying Daco-Romanian, I was precisely excluding Aroumanian, Istro-Romanian, and Meglenitic. As far as the dialectal variation within Daco-Romanian, well, it's not completely insignificant. I remember looking at a Romanian Dialect Atlas once and finding considerable variation, especially within Transylvania, if I remember correctly. Anyway, these are minor points.

I am very sorry about the vandalism you're complaining about. However, I am a little tired right now of Misplaced Pages fights and I would rather not get involved in another one, if you don't mind, especially knowing how vicious some of these can get. Sorry! Pasquale 17:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Bonaparte, Please don't push me. I've had a couple of bruising Misplaced Pages fights recently and my conclusion is that they lead nowhere. Besides, I am extremely busy with work right now, and I know this kind of effort takes A LOT of time, because you have to explain things VERY, VERY clearly to convince people. But, if something needs to be voted on, I will vote. Pasquale 18:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

 Thanks for your nice words. Unfortunately I can not be so much time on net.
 You make a good job. Keep doing it!!! Dacodava

Thanks

Thanks for the useful comparison. Maybe the difference is like the difference between Swiss German and (Standard) German. I have a clearer picture now. How did you find my question anyway? :) Best, Dpr 03:31, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome! Glad to help you.  Bonaparte  talk & contribs

Barnstar

Salut. Mulţumesc pentru barnstar! Ronline 09:43, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Mersi si eu pentru stea. --Anittas 09:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Salut, Bonaparte. Multam' fain pentru barnstar. User:Dpotop

Thanks man!

I like this star :)
EvilAlex 12:46, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Admin

You know, if you start changing your edit tactics now, you can be an Admin in the future. That is, if you want to. It's not too late to change, and if you do, I'm sure many people would vote for you in the future, including me. Alexander 007 12:33, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Remember, you chose the name Bonaparte. Alexander 007 12:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC) Multumesc Alexandru. Bonaparte talk 12:50, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Orioane's RfA

Pe tine te-am lăsat mai la urmă, ca să scriu un mesaj personalizat. Iată-l pe cel standard:

Hey Bonaparte! Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. To my amazement there were no negative or neutral votes and the result was (28/0/0). I am now an administrator so I'll try and do my best in this new position. I'll be happy to answer any comments or requests from you. Thanks one more time!

Acum, în plus, ai fost cel mai puternic suporter al meu şi pentru asta îţi mulţumesc în mod special. Cu siguranţă o să mai lucrăm împreună la articole, aşa că sigur o să discutăm şi în viitor. Eu o să intru într-o Wikipauză şi sper să ajung pe acasă, aşa că îţi urez "Crăciun Fericit" şi "La Mulţi Ani!". --Mihai - 20:39, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Secrets of Effective Leadership

I like very much what Fred Manske once said: "To me, a leader is a visionary who energizes others. This definition has two key dimensions: (1) creating a vision of the future and (2) inspiring people to make the vision reality".

Bonaparte talk 17:28, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Your personal vision should do three things:

1.It should incorporate your dreams and passions; the things that excite you.

2.It should be authentic and true to your realities, anchored in who you really are. It doesn't have to meet anyone else's standards.

3.It should continue to evolve. Personal vision is not static, like a photograph, but rather like frames from a videotape that change slightly from day to day. It reflects where you are in your own evolution and where you think you are heading.

Take a moment here to reflect a bit your personal vision.

What are you passionate about?

What are your dreams?

Where do you want to be in five years? Ten years?

If you live your life to its fullest, what will you have accomplished?

What impact do you want to make?

Bonaparte talk 17:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Israel

Hello Bonaparte,
What I can find about Romania's ascension to the EU is at the BBC. You may also want to see Enlargement of the European Union, it has sections on both Romania and Israel. Regarding Israel and the EU, I don't know much. I live in England and therefore already am a European citizen. In 2007 you will be too :-) Izehar (talk) 11:52, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Izehar for your link :) Bonaparte talk 14:38, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Un raspuns intarziat

Multumesc din nou. Keep in touch.Dahn 20:13, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

WP:TINMC

Hi, you're down as being an an active cabalist. Is that still true? There are plenty of cases awaiting mediator response, please drop by if you can! Dan100 (Talk) 11:01, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes is true. I will do it. Bonaparte talk 12:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Oooh...

Multilingual page! I love it! Want Portuguese here? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 18:54, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes! Why not? -- Bonaparte talk 19:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Eu não sei o que eu devo dizer. Algumas coisas no português são difíceis de escrever. Talvez, escreverei algo no espanhol tambem! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 19:23, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

You may say everthing you like. What's your interest and how can we collaborate. Is not a problem for me, you may write in any langauge as you wish. I have to admit I would like not to be in English :) since I want to practice other languages as well. Thank you. -- Bonaparte talk 19:26, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

So far I see German, French, Italian, Romanian, now Portugues, naturally English; Spanish should be here too.... Y lo puedo hacer, me gusta hablar en el español...pero es un idioma muy fácil, entonces, no creo que hago algo tan especial.εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 19:28, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Exactly how many languages do you speak, I really admire people that speak a whole lot of them...εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 19:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

sockpuppet accusations

G'day Bonaparte,

I notice you left a note on a vandal's talkpage, explaining that you believed the vandal to be a sockpuppet of User:node ue. You presented no evidence other than your well-known dislike of node_ue. This is the second time in the past few days that I, despite concerted efforts to avoid seeing any place you or node_ue are likely to edit, have seen you say something nasty about node_ue. If it keeps up, and I do not care what your reasons are, I will block you. Is that clear? fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 16:30, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Is clear. Anyway I would like to thank you so much for blocking the eventual vandal. It was very quick and I would like one more time to tell you that I appreciate this. Bonaparte talk 16:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks to some smart and talented ArbCommers willing to spare a few minutes, you have your answer: the vandal is definitely not User:node ue. There's your answer. What I'd like you to take away from this discussion is two simple things: don't accuse others blindly, and for Pete's sake shut up about node_ue, especially on unrelated users' talkpages or WP:AN/I. It's starting to cross over into "harrassment" territory, and I have a history of getting rather upset with people who harrass other users. Okay? fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 16:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I am not satisfied until I see the numbers. I want to see the IP adress. -- Bonaparte talk 17:03, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Tough. I can't see the numbers either; only six people can, and they're all from the Arbitration Committee and very careful not to give them out. However, I have their word that the vandal could not possibly be node_ue. If the word of the Arbitration Committee isn't good enough for you, I'm surprised you trust anything you hear. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 17:09, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I would like to see if it is from Arizona. Can this be checked please? -- Bonaparte talk 17:11, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

The IP has been checked, and two members of the ArbCom are satisfied that the vandal is not node_ue. You may not know the IP address, and you may not know the location of any logged-in user unless they choose to reveal it to you . Now, drop it. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 01:42, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Nein, ich fuerchte nur developers und arbcom members haben Zugriff auf die IP-Adressen von eingeloggten Usern. dab (ᛏ) 17:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Re:RfA

Thanks : ), but I have to decline. I do not wish, on any terms, to be an admin. Thanks for thinking I would be good for the job. : )

Take care, εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 00:18, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Transnistria

Some issues concerning Transnistria

Transnistria’s ethnic composition is unlike the rest of Moldova, and the region does not share the same interwar history as the rest of the country as part of socalled ‘‘Greater Romania.’’ Moreover, many of the ethnic Russians and Ukrainians that currently reside in Transnistria were not born in Moldova and only recently came to the country in the 1980s and 1990s (Note: Significantly, much of the current Transnistrian leadership, including Igor Smirnov, were born and raised in Russia and therefore not surprisingly have a different and hostile view of Moldovan identity and culture.)

The leadership has used these issues to cultivate a separate Transnistrian identity among youth and to socialize the population towards a Russian political space, rejecting European demands for democratization and conflict resolution. Transnistrian socialization has used traditional instruments including the media and school.

Indeed, one of the important agents of identity formation and socialization is education. There is a large political science literature that examines the impact that education has on group identity formation as well as on the process of individual political socialization. During the Soviet period, the education system in Moldova was used as a means to russify the indigenous titular population through the use of Russian language as the principle means of instruction.

Izehar's RfA

Hi Bonaparte,

Romanian diaspora dispute

Ai vreo idee ce am putea face in cazul disputei de la Diaspora Romaneasca? Nu cred nici o cifra pusa acolo! Ar trebui sa ii oprim cumva. Daca shtii ce am putea sa facem, zimi te rog. NorbertArthur 26 December 2005

Prin negocieri. Numai asa merge. Bonaparte talk 07:12, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Link: http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/nitransit/2003/moldova2003.pdf

An estimated one million of people from Moldova—or half the country’s workforce and potential voters—have migrated to Portugal, Spain, Italy, Romania, Russia, and other countries in search of better jobs. In Italy alone, there are over 200,000 people of Moldova.

Voi sunteti fraieri. Voi vreti sa aratati ca multi romani sunt in diaspora. De ce? Cu cat mai multi romani in Romania, cu atata mai bine. --Anittas 04:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Da, aici agreez 100% cu Anittas. Nu ştiu dece este aşa mare lucru să fie mulţi români în diaspora... acesta este un lucru rău în părerea mea, nu unul de laudă! Ronline ✉ 07:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Doar am sustinut estimarile oficiale. Ele sustin ca sunt peste 10,000,000 de romani in afara granitelor. Atata tot. Bonaparte talk 07:12, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Shi eu itzi dau perfecta dreptate aici Anittas, numai ca ma doare sa vad ca e scris ca in USA sant numai 367,000 de romani shi in Canada 131,000. Itzi spun sincer ca traiesc in Canada shi sunt peste 200,000 de romani aici. Nu ash fi pornit tot circul asta pt nimic sau daca nu ar fii fost adevarat ce zic. Bonaparte vroiam sa te intreb tu cam cati romani crezi ca traiesc in USA shi cati in Canada? NorbertArthur 27 December 2005

Unele estimari merg pana la 1,500,000 de romani in SUA si 500,000-800,000 de romani in Canada. Pentru unele sunt ceva surse, vezi mai sus. -- Bonaparte talk 07:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Antidote and User:Zordrac/Poetlister

I note that you are involved in the above RfC. Please see my sub page for evidence of the entirety of the dispute and related issues. Zordrac (talk) Wishy Washy Darwikinian Eventualist 12:49, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

OK thanks, I will do it when I will be unblocked. Tomorrow. Bonaparte talk 12:51, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

România va participa la forţa de reacţie rapidă a UE ]

România, Bulgaria, Grecia şi Republica Cipru au convenit să constituie un „grup de luptă“ ce va face parte din forţa de reacţie rapidă a Uniunii Europene care va interveni în situaţii de criză în diferite puncte de pe glob. Decizia a fost adoptată luni, la reuniunea miniştrilor apărării din statele membre ale Uniunii Europene desfăşurată la Bruxelles, iar grupul de luptă va fi unul dintre cele aproximativ 20 similare la nivelul UE.

Basescu

I think you noticed that I did not say "the Moldovan people" but "the people of Moldova"-Basescu ]

http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/nitransit/2003/moldova2003.pdf

http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/nitransit/2004/moldova2004.pdf

http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/nitransit/2005/moldova2005.pdf

Mediator response

Hi, you left a note on my talk page about the 2nd law of Thermodynamics. I haven't had anything to do with this article recently. I think I did a few minor things to it, but that was over a year ago. I think you made a mistake, because I haven't been to that article in many months, and am certainly not incolved in any conflict there (thank goodness). --DanielCD 15:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)