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Victorville is NOT in the San Bernardino Valley (it is in the desert on the north side of the San Gabriel Mtns)-- It should be removed from the list of cities in the SBV. 12.191.244.12 (talk) 05:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)--

Reorganization project by Wikiproject Inland Empire

Please help with the Reorganization of this article brought to you by Wikiproject Inland Empire in an effort to help articles relating to the Inland Empire Metropolitan Area. House1090 (talk) 20:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

House, I've decided to come here before going to WP:AN with links to and and requesting you be topic banned from all Southern California articles. The information you are presenting is already in the IE and SB articles; what you are doing is recreating those articles here. This article was previously focused on the natural geology of the San Bernardino Valley, and should be improved in that direction, rather than replicating information that is already presented more appropriately elsewhere. I'm going to give you a day to think about it before engaging further. Amerique 22:55, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I hope you know I am creating it so that this article follows along with the other valley SoCal articles like San Gabriel Valley, and San Fernando Valley. I will be writing in some stuff my self but I really think the article look way more impresive than it did before I started to reorganize it. Also I dont like that improving or trying to improve an article is a reason to block a user. Also thanks to WikiProject IE alot of articles have improved and will continue to do so. I will be expanding this article and many more including Morongo Basin, Victor Valley and plan to start the Perris Valley Article, once I get enough refrences and sources. I would like to thank you for consulting me first before going to WP:AN, but next time we need to talk before starting to revert each other. PS:I will be more carefull of what I'm doing. House1090 (talk) 23:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

What you are doing is recreating another IE article. But I will let it go for now. Amerique 23:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

My goal was to expand the SBV article, just like I will be doing to Victor Valley and Morongo Basin. But next time if you dont agree with me please let me know, and that way we can come to a resonable compromise. House1090 (talk) 23:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Is there an outline or a particular FA you are using for a reference on the structure of this and the other articles? -Optigan13 (talk) 01:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is similar to that of the one that User:Mission.Jim created here, but not exactly. I believe that the outline was created from diffrent FA articles. House1090 (talk) 03:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Greater San Bernardino Area?

I removed "sometimes referred to as the Greater San Bernardino Area" from the lead after a google search showed no sources. User:House1090 reverted my edit, claiming that "If you lived in the area you woud know why that was there" in his edit summary. Rather than engage in an edit war, I'd like to lay out my reasoning here: I found no sources for the alternate name, and claiming that I am not a local does not invalidate that. --TorriTorri 00:07, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I should of put it here first, any way you should add the citation needed tag rather than taking off unsourced stuff. I am searching for that and I cant find anything soon I will take it off. Sorry for just reverting you, I apologize. House1090 (talk) 00:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Found and added a reference. House1090 (talk) 00:31, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think many people outside of SB would consider Apartments.com a reliable reference. Amerique 21:57, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Here's two other references:

There is also a lot of other commercial areas that use Greater San Bernardino Area, well the point was to show that Greater San Bernardino is used and I dont just make stuff up. House1090 (talk) 03:13, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I would recommend changing the reference then. Amerique 17:26, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I will add the two stated above. House1090 (talk) 18:26, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Just an observation, but the sources that use the term "greater San Bernardino area" do not capitalize greater or area, and they do not appear to clearly associate the greater San Bernardino area with the San Bernardino Valley. My interpretation, for what it is worth, is "greater San Bernardino area" is not a name, but a general term. The "greater (insert city name here) area" could be used to refer to any city and its surrounding area. I wouldn't be inclined to claim that the "greater San Bernardino area" is a synonymous term for the San Bernardino Valley, particularly using the references provided. MissionInn.Jim (talk) 01:55, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Yea but usualy Greater SB is used to refer to the SB Valley, as most businesses like Redlands Honda do. I can provide a link for this too. But please note that the article reads "...sometimes rfered to as the Greater San Bernardino Area". House1090 (talk) 02:01, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

The references currently in the article do not indicate that the Valley itself is also known as the "greater SB area", they only mention the phrase. Adding onto what Jim said, I would argue that the Valley and "greater area" are not interchangeable terms in that the Valley is a specific geological formation, while the "greater area" is a vague catch-all term that could even include some of the mountain communities. Perhaps. as a compromise, a "greater SB area" article could be created that would focus more on demographics, etc? --TorriTorri 09:00, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

No, please not another SB area article. The term is obviously ill-defined. You would only succeed in giving House another object to fight over. Based on MissionInn.Jim's and your concerns, I'd support removing the term and eliminating the associated cruft from this article entirely. Amerique 01:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

There's a source the name is used thats what the sentance states. Done. Amerique you always fight with me you see the source accept it and move on! Other times your right, theres no source but now there is. House1090 (talk) 01:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

No House, as others have stated, there was nothing in the references to indicate that "Greater San Bernardino area" they referred to was the SB Valley. I cleaned the article up again so that this article can focus on the Valley's natural geography and the other articles can focus on the urban areas. Amerique 02:03, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

No one told you to do that. Mabey you could of added another . How do you know I am not looking for more references? I found those two for now, I'm still looking. And what does Greater San Bernardino have to do with natural geography? Last, what other articles? there is not another article about the Greater SB Area or the SB Valley. House1090 (talk) 02:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

The sources provided do not support the claim. WP:V states that "Any material lacking a reliable source may be removed". Please do not re-add your claim, User:House1090, unless you also provide a reliable source. --TorriTorri 03:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I readded it because the sentence where the reference states that it may be known or also known as the Greater San Bernardino area. It does not state that its officialy known as the Greaater San Bernardino area. I have another source that lists some of the cities and I will put it here. House1090 (talk) 05:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

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