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<>Who?¿? 21:18, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Archive of User Talk:Steven McCrary

Archive 01--from July 05 through Christmas 05

Mediation: Computer Science

This comment is meant to be informal to hopefully correct a concern before we begin. You mentioned that my used sources are spurious. In good faith, I am totally confused by your comment. Do you mean to state that I conterfieted sources? That is a common assumption over the word spurious. I hope you meant to say that the sources are not harmonuous with generally expected x, y, and z methods. If not, I feel like my many-many hours of time taken to track down sources are waisted.

The general assumption I have on wikipedia is that expertise is welcome, but it doesn't relieve anybody of the need to cite sources. When my expertise is questioned, I have taken the time to find sources if I don't already have them. Sometimes, it seems every bit of added information is questioned and sources are requested. Well, I have gone as far as to only judge if to directly use entire content or not rather than to incorporate expertise or reflect on other content. It appears some people target users as far as a psychopathic style to pressure a point. Misplaced Pages is still globally young, and I predict it will play a major factor in mediation between different cultures.

I'm glad you stated your viewpoint of what you initially agree with for a definition of CS. — Dzonatas 13:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

In re 3RR

I last reverted the Jim Hightower article eight days ago. I hardly think I'm in any danger of violating the rule a week later. -12.217.121.245 21:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

template web reference

Hi Steven. Think I'll let you work now there. Looks fine. At Template talk:Book reference/regression tests I have done larger set of tests for book reference (no dev branch yet there). Maybe this could inspire you for web reference. Drop me a note if I can help with anything. Happy template hacking! Adrian Buehlmann 21:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Jehovahs Witnesses/Sockpuppets

From the sockpuppet check done by Kelly Martin Talk:Jehovah's_Witnesses#Sockpuppet_check I think it is now clear that most, if not all, of the sockpuppets/impersonators were actually Retcon. It is hard to tell with the anonymous IP editors: many are almost certainly controlled by regular registered editors given the nature of the edits. CarbonCopy (talk) 15:15, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I would like to express my appreciation for your fairness and even temper in dealing with POV editors within the Jehovah's Witnesses articles. The antagonizing and instigating that goes on within the discussion pages seriously detracts from the goal of producing an NPOV set of articles, and it is taking editors not affiliated with Jehovah's Witnesses to be able to call them on their manners and unfair editing. Witnesses who tried were repeatedly bombarded with rude, uncivil, insulting and denegrating responses, and any effort to obtain an NPOV edit was shot back with accusations of attempting to decieve (the world, I guess). Again, thank you. - CobaltBlueTony 04:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Vote

Steve, If you are intrested please vote here- Vaikunda Raja

Jim Hightower

Hello,

I don't check the bio page of Jim Hightower often, so I didn't realize you had responded regarding Mediation. The person "edit warring" with me keeps putting up factually incorrect information. Looking at Jim's book, that the person keeps citing, there is no mention of Hightower casting his superdelegate vote for Jerry Brown. Hightower has stated to me that he cast his superdelegate vote for Presiden Clinton, because Cinton was the Democratic nominee. I'm happy to discuss this further with user 12.217.121.245 or with you. posted 16:23, January 4, 2006 by Laura74, please sign your posts. Thanks.

Hightower Book

I can't give you a scanned picture, because I don't own a scanner, but I can give you the following information. The line is in There's Nothing In the Middle of the Road But Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos by Jim Hightower, ISBN 0-06-092949, chapter 1, subsection "Vernon Jordan's Dream," page 41. The exact quote is, in reference to his activities at the 1992 Democratic National Convention, "I had supported Senator Tom Harkin's failed bid for the nomination, then moved to Jerry Brown when Harkin bailed out." -12.217.121.245 23:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Jim Hightower superdelegate vote

Thanks for your help. I've gone through the section on the 92 Dem Convention, and nowhere does it say the superdelegate vote was cast for Brown. HIs book doesn't mention who his superdelegate vote was cast for, but Jim says he cast it for Bill Clinton because Clinton was the Dem nominee. I can post the entire text of the section on the 1992 Democratic convention, if you think its necessary. ~Laura74~

Baseball on Wikicities

Hello Stevenwmccrary58, Googie Man here and I want to ask you something as a fellow baseball fan on Misplaced Pages. Jimbo and Angela have made a new webstie called Wikicities. This link in particular will take you to the baseball Wikicity. As you'll see it's similar to Misplaced Pages, but my hope is this will allow baseball fans to do more and different things, like reporting on games, in depth statistics, create mulitple pages for pictures, and whatever else baseball fans care to create. You've done great work on Misplaced Pages and I was hoping you could help get this baseball Wikicity off the ground. Please let me know what you think either at my talk page, or you can email me at terry@wikia.com. Thanks! Googie Man, 16:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC).

Mediation

I gather you are working on the case Misplaced Pages:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/4_01_2006_tired_light ? You forgot to mark the case in the case list, I've made the comment for you. Please change it if you are not working on the case. --Fasten 21:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your offer to pass the case to me, but my interest in cosmology is restricted to science fiction. --Fasten 10:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Regarding tired light

Reponse from ScienceApologist regarding User:Harald's answer:

1. 1. . . . did you say you read the Zwicky article? And yet you have no independent source? --ScienceApologist 07:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
   2. There are no "standard old proposed scattering mechanisms". Tired light does not deal with scattering except in some fantasy world of Marmet and others drawing tremendous comparisons from their work to the years between the wars. --ScienceApologist 07:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
   3. "ScienceApostel" -- this seems like he isn't exactly "writing for the enemy". I'm not sure what his "negative" comments ammount to. I certainly don't know what is "negative" or what is "positive". But I do know what tired light is. --ScienceApologist 07:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
   4. Marmet's proposal is absolutely rejected by the scientific community. Scattering is not a source for the cosmological redshift. End of story. (Not only that, but Marmet's scattering is also not tired light.)--ScienceApologist 07:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
   5. I don't believev this response at all. If this were the case then he would not base his definition of tired light on the article itself. --ScienceApologist 07:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Reponse from ScienceApologist regarding User:Iantresman's answer:

1. 1. I find it very problematic that Ian will list sources he doesn't read. He is very fond of making laudry lists of articles that contain key-words he is interested in writing about. These practices lead me to believe he is not a competent editor in many cases. --ScienceApologist 21:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
   2. Ian's claim that lack of scattering implies lack of tired light effects clearly shows he doesn't have familiarity with the material he is trying to write about. He gets very upset when I refer to his lack of expertise, claiming that it represents personal attacks. However, his advocacy often crosses the line between adding information and POV-pushing. --ScienceApologist 21:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
   3. Ian's anti-science attitude doesn't make sense when writing articles about scientific subjects. Tired light is a scientific subject, so it makes little sense to give undue weight to those who write incorrect or misleading missives that are unscientific and include the in the scientific article. We can keep the views opposed to science on the pages devoted to explaining such views when they are notable. Ian wants to see them included on other pages too, a clear violation of Misplaced Pages's WP:NPOV policy. --ScienceApologist 21:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
   4. Ian's view of what constitutes a minority view is wrong. Minority views are minority views because they are held by a minority of people who know about the subject. --ScienceApologist 21:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
   5. Ned Wright's criticisms are based on peer reviewed work. This is a secondary source, to be sure, but to claim that such is "not being peer reviewed" is highly problematic and an example of a type of advocacy relating to an anti-science mentality. Ian's inability to judge which sources are of high quality and which ones are not makes his contributions often very problematic. --ScienceApologist 21:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I-76E

Hmm... his leaving came so unexpectedly... we've started discussions about the routebox on the WP talk page, but they seemed to be in a deadlock now. The problem is deciding what to do with Browse State Highways and the Junctions list... so I'd say keep it open for a week or so, but it's up to you. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

JWs

Ok, I'll keep slogging at it, and see if we can resolve their problem like this, otherwise from the amount of mediation they seem to be needing a more formal process might suit them better. - FrancisTyers 20:03, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

edits of others comments

I have a thought, and I hope you will take it under advisement, and not personally. I do respect your position and qualifications in the academic field, and appreciate more than you know your efforts to bring this series of articles under the academic tone Misplaced Pages strives to uphold. Steve, while I agree with the spirit of your edits of others' comments that contain insulting, uncivil, or otherwise hostile tonee, even of JW editors, I think it is wise to leave the comment as is as remind or reprimand the user with specific quotes containing the inappropriate tone. This will keep everyone in line without giving the impression that you are overstepping Misplaced Pages policy in editing others' comments, which is generally considered inappropriate. I would hate for your tireless and noble-minded efforts to be diluted by accusations that are pelted upon anyone who dares cross certain editors working in this project. - CobaltBlueTony 17:37, 10 January 2006 (UTC)